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Win 6.1 - So What's New

Have been following the various ROM threads on here as we rush towards various recipes based on Win 6.1. Problem is I have seen the question on "what's new/what the differences are between 6.0 and 6.1" posed several times but not seen a definitive response.
Someone has commented that the PIM structure in 6.1 is different to 6.0 and that we now have a form of threaded SMS in place. Apart from this and the fact that some screenshots show a differing menu structure, that's about all we know at this time.
Could someone in the know please give a definitive view on what the differences/improvements/negatives are? If this has already been posted and I have missed it then -
1) Apologies
2) Please post up the relevant links
For those of you already using 6.1, what's your global experience so far? Is it worth the hype? Are there any benefits to be gained? What's your view on stability?
Thanks
WB

Here is a useful link (found by engadget mobile):
http://translate.google.com/transla...005&#entry129005&langpair=pt|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8
I haven't upgraded yet, I might wait for one more build/better ROM stability (i.e. maybe Schap's next one! )

- Office Mobile now includes also One Note Mobile application
- Internet Explorer now has function "Zoom Out" what enables page-overview mode and better overall navigation through web pages
- Windows Mobile 6.1 still is based on Windows CE 5.2 so no upgrade to Windows CE 6.0
- SMS chat view mode is available so SMS messages can appear in threaded-way - more comfortable to follow SMS conversations
- instead of "Settings / Memory / Running Programs" now a Task Manager is available with possibility to set settings of executed threads/processes like CPU (indication of dual-core Windows Mobile devices?) and memory
- New menu item "Managed Programs"

Frenchglen, Klabton,
Thanks guys.
In terms of stability my guess is that Schaps and Kin0ken will crack this, if its an issue.
Lets see what the cooks bring out.
Cheers
WB
Mcfarlan,
Thanks for the input. Kin0kin's roms tend to be both stable and fast so it will be interesting to see what he brings out. Like you the improvements to eg PIE won't be of benefit; however overall speed of the rom in the way you describe WILL.

After trying several of the 6.1s, I went back to Shamanix Ultimate because they each have their quirks and for now I need stability. Threaded SMS (I don't do much messaging) and IE enhancements (I use Opera Mini) were not enough to make me switch right now.
What is impressive is the increased performance speed. With 6.1, Active Sync inaitial update was fully completed in less than 20 secs versus 2 - 3 minutes, and browsing the Windows folder were really quick. For me the fastest were a toss-up between Schaps and the PDAVIET versions.

ShadoW 2.0 TE is really a good 6.1 rom, but it does not use the same buildos than most others do
I can say it s really faster than all the older roms. I was a big Schap's fan but the roms that came out since november were getting slower and slower, although always stable and definetely nice looking.
It's worth the upgrade for the extra speed you ll get

klabton said:
- Windows Mobile 6.1 still is based on Windows CE 5.2 so no upgrade to Windows CE 6.0
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Ist this the reason, that the roms available here do not look like this:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/gallery/handsets/windows-mobile-61/
?

As stated 100 times before: THIS SCREENSHOTS ARE FROM THE SMARTPHONE EDITION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

speed, the other improvements are already available with 3rd party apps (most of which have become standards in cooked roms) however it is faster

very very fast, no doubt about it.

Does anyone know what "Managed Programs" does?

don't know if that's schaps rom feature or 6.1:
- bluetooth automatically paired with my car's handsfree bt device (earlier I had to enter the passcode)

blinkin said:
don't know if that's schaps rom feature or 6.1:
- bluetooth automatically paired with my car's handsfree bt device (earlier I had to enter the passcode)
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happened with Pays ROM too... guessin it's 6.1

quick question guys, so all 6.1 roms out here has the SMS threaded app by default?

yup.. it does

found on the web
hi,
I have found these articles: http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7065.html
Windows Mobile 6.1 will be unveiled officially in about 2 weeks at Mobile World Congress 2008 (watch our first-hand reports from there!) but already now somebody has managed to play with it!
Here are the highlights:
* Office Mobile now includes also One Note Mobile application - apart from Word Mobile, Excel Mobile and PowerPoint Mobile, one new application is available - it can record voice notes and drawings and textual notes
* Internet Explorer now has function "Zoom Out" what enables page-overview mode and better overall navigation through web pages
* Windows Mobile 6.1 still is based on Windows CE 5.2 so no upgrade to Windows CE 6.0
* SMS chat view mode is available so SMS messages can appear in threaded-way - more comfortable to follow SMS conversations
* instead of "Settings / Memory / Running Programs" now a Task Manager is available with possibility to set settings of executed threads/processes like CPU (indication of dual-core Windows Mobile devices?) and memory
* new menu item "Managed Programs"
* the much expected improvements in usage for finger based navigation - are nowhere to be found! (apparently users will need to wait till 2009 for Windows Mobile 7 to get them)
wfg
Starbase64

chev said:
quick question guys, so all 6.1 roms out here has the SMS threaded app by default?
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Yes but I'm still gonna complain about it. I should have known MS would do some lame version of threaded msgs. I just can't believe how popular txt msging is there isn't something better. It doesn't timestamp any of my prior txt msgs except for the date and it doesnt count my characters as I am typing so I know when I go over 160 into another txt msg.
Small complaints but still.. So its back to palm threaded for me..

Voldemort said:
ShadoW 2.0 TE is really a good 6.1 rom, but it does not use the same buildos than most others do
I can say it s really faster than all the older roms. I was a big Schap's fan but the roms that came out since november were getting slower and slower, although always stable and definetely nice looking.
It's worth the upgrade for the extra speed you ll get
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I'm also a big Schaps fan until i flashed to Shadow 2.0 TE, really fast and has minimal problems compared to other WM6.1 roms. Yep, i'm keeping this one for a while because of the "extra speed".

MrDSL said:
Yes but I'm still gonna complain about it. I should have known MS would do some lame version of threaded msgs. I just can't believe how popular txt msging is there isn't something better. It doesn't timestamp any of my prior txt msgs except for the date and it doesnt count my characters as I am typing so I know when I go over 160 into another txt msg.
Small complaints but still.. So its back to palm threaded for me..
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What 6.1 Rom are you using? I'm using Shadow2.0, and i have a time stamp of all the incoming and outgoing messages on the chat window. and whenever i am typing a message, the window title shows the number of characters, e.g. "12/160" which shows the number of characters typed.

Guys,
Thanks for the inputs; no answer yet to the question as to what the menu option "Managed Programs" does?
I'm still researching in general but not found this one yet.
WB

Microsoft to Launch Windows Mobile 6.5 on May 11

More infos:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Launch-Windows-Mobile-6-5-on-May-11-109719.shtml
br,
Chris

Any news about when HTC are planing to release 6.5 for our Diamonds?

cyron_at said:
More infos:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Launch-Windows-Mobile-6-5-on-May-11-109719.shtml
br,
Chris
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Great news, thanks! I can't wait

anyone know whats in it that we dont already have??

sapiora said:
Any news about when HTC are planing to release 6.5 for our Diamonds?
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Never.

mike21pr said:
anyone know whats in it that we dont already have??
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well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?

The biggest improvement is that now, you can control your phone only with your finger, it's more "finger-friendly". No need to have a stylet.
Otherwise, it's only a "graphic" improvement I think...

racerx_ said:
well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
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Actually I would say that usability has been greatly improved. It's not just a new start menu and a today screen. There are some very nice touches here and there like a much better menu interaction, drop-down lists are improved so that you no longer need to use the stylus, there's a new Internet Explorer which even though it's not as good as Opera it does have some things that might be useful for certain websites...
Oh, there's also the new widget system for small web-based applications (MSN Weather and MSN Finances are good examples) and the new Titanium home screen seems to be highly customizable with plugins that look beautiful and so far seem to work well.
I would say that the main change is that Windows Mobile no longer looks like an outdated PDA and looks more like a modern hi-tech phone without the need of TouchFlo 3D which never got to the deeper parts of the OS.

Anchelspain said:
Actually I would say that usability has been greatly improved. It's not just a new start menu and a today screen. There are some very nice touches here and there like a much better menu interaction, drop-down lists are improved so that you no longer need to use the stylus, there's a new Internet Explorer which even though it's not as good as Opera it does have some things that might be useful for certain websites...
Oh, there's also the new widget system for small web-based applications (MSN Weather and MSN Finances are good examples) and the new Titanium home screen seems to be highly customizable with plugins that look beautiful and so far seem to work well.
I would say that the main change is that Windows Mobile no longer looks like an outdated PDA and looks more like a modern hi-tech phone without the need of TouchFlo 3D which never got to the deeper parts of the OS.
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i guess it's a matter of preference. The main thing i see is that its designed to be much more finger-friendly. But personally the way they did the menus, i find quite annoying and a bit sluggish.. i manage quite well right now without my stylus actually.. In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc. every time some menu takes over your entire screen it slows down the process of entering and selecting data
as far as not looking outdated? i don't know about that. I think looking at what HTC did with TF3D, although not perfect and the iphone interface, microsoft could have done a lot better for their first real facelift of windows mobile.. widgets? yeah but if i needed widgets i'd be using an omnia or a google phone

I tried WM6.5 for a few hours last weekend, hoping to embrace it.
I wasn't used to the home screen as it doesn't provide much information at first look. The menu enhancement is nice, but apparently HTC has it's own which seems to feel better.
The start menu is simply cluttered and feels sluggish. The scroll arrows don't look good either. Anyways.. my conclusion is that HTC seem to do a better job than MS. Perhaps WM7 is what they're spending their efforts in..

thanks cyron_at... yeah i read that yesterday somewhere as well that it's about to get released...
i think it's a great compliment to tf3d... tf3d aims at making the interface finger friendly - however you still find yourself taking out the stylus now and then (specially when behind the scenes in winmo!)... i think 6.5 further reduces the need for this... but its not "officially" coming to our diamonds, so let's c how it goes...

Officially speaking, WM 6.5 isn't supposed to be available on "older" devices (with respect to release date), but that may be subject changes.

racerx_ said:
well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
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I think it has built-in kinetic scrolling so that 3rd party manufacturers (like HTC) no longer have to write their own implementation. I believe the new IE has built-in support for Flash as well.

racerx_ said:
i guess it's a matter of preference. The main thing i see is that its designed to be much more finger-friendly. But personally the way they did the menus, i find quite annoying and a bit sluggish.. i manage quite well right now without my stylus actually.. In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc. every time some menu takes over your entire screen it slows down the process of entering and selecting data
as far as not looking outdated? i don't know about that. I think looking at what HTC did with TF3D, although not perfect and the iphone interface, microsoft could have done a lot better for their first real facelift of windows mobile.. widgets? yeah but if i needed widgets i'd be using an omnia or a google phone
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Totally agree.

MasK said:
.. my conclusion is that HTC seem to do a better job than MS. Perhaps WM7 is what they're spending their efforts in..
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Exactly. HTC has done wonders for revamping the old look and feel with winmo.
Interesting to say is that M$ took some ideas from HTC and implemented them in os(shouldn't they be the one to offer innovations?!).
I hope wm7 will be more finger friendly, but as the rumors say we will probably see one more wimmo 6.x iteration (6.7?) before the 7.
I'm really looking forward to see more android based phones and some more improvements of the os itself with a lot more soft(gps like igo for instance).
Resistive screens are really becoming outdated not only do they diminish the "touch" feel compared to capacitive screens but they are a ***** to use in the sunlight.
Cheers.

how's the keyboard in WM6.5, I can't find screenshot of it nor any special talk here about it, is there any keyboard in it at all
also, video call doesn't work yet, right?

cloudedhopes said:
thanks cyron_at... yeah i read that yesterday somewhere as well that it's about to get released...
i think it's a great compliment to tf3d... tf3d aims at making the interface finger friendly - however you still find yourself taking out the stylus now and then (specially when behind the scenes in winmo!)... i think 6.5 further reduces the need for this... but its not "officially" coming to our diamonds, so let's c how it goes...
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for me spb mobile shell 3.0 is very finger friendly an very customize able.

racerx_ said:
In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc.
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Smartphones and PPCs are not business only any more.
If MS only focused on the business market WINMO would disappear, or atleast not develop any further. Phone manufactures are about selling handsets. If the general consumer (who buy more handsets than businesses) are not happy with an OS they will not by that phone.
Not every phone user is techsavy enough to flash updates from websites. They want updates sent to their device in a way that means they have little interaction and risk.
WINMO needs to develop to become a general consumer friendly OS whilst still pandering slightly to the business community. This is what I see happening in 6.5

Apologize for being coock
Windows Mobile 6.5 May Launch Not Likely
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/04/windows_mobile_10.html

Windows Mobile 6.5 ...
... Is only a better version of Windows Mobile 6.1. They changed some graphics and the start menu. But they aren't able to make it like it should be. YOU'LL NEED A STYLET! look at the dropdown menus and the little buttons. How does microsoft thinkt people should use this little items without a stylet?
No sorry , I hope that Winodws Mobile 7 will be better!

Cooked ROM : based on 6.5 or 6.1??

i have tried many cooked roms based on wm 6.1, now i see there are many chef that are cooking their roms using wm6.5.
Who have tried both can give is impression for understand if its time to jump to wm 6.5 based roms or its better to wait future releases(maybe the offical one)???

its up to u
but I will stay with wm6.1 and wait for the official 6.5

I will suggest WM6.1 only. Fully developed, has what you need! If you're so obsessed with the hexagon start menu, got for 6.5 else wait for WM7.
Even the Pop-Up menu improvements are better in Topaz based ROMs than WM6.5
Regards,
Carty..

For me WM 6.5 is very nice.

When navigated through the heart of WM, 6.5 is more finger friendly. Trying both though is a must before deciding as this is once again personal preference.
Flash both and see...besides, you get to practice flashing....

band27 said:
When navigated through the heart of WM, 6.5 is more finger friendly. Trying both though is a must before deciding as this is once again personal preference.
Flash both and see...besides, you get to practice flashing....
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what about speed(tf3d navigation),apps compatibility and stability?there are huge differences?

I find 6.5 to be a bit quicker overall and more finger friendly, the use of menus is much more intuative. Bioscoll is absolute rubbish in comparison to the kinetic scrolling of WM6.5. In drop down menus, like when changing notification settings, you can finger scroll in the drop down boxes. In email the scrolling through the email is quick and smooth as it is in text messages.
Get a 6.5 rom, make sure it doesnt have bioscroll on it and you will see the HUGE improvement.

loomx said:
I find 6.5 to be a bit quicker overall and more finger friendly, the use of menus is much more intuative. Bioscoll is absolute rubbish in comparison to the kinetic scrolling of WM6.5. In drop down menus, like when changing notification settings, you can finger scroll in the drop down boxes. In email the scrolling through the email is quick and smooth as it is in text messages.
Get a 6.5 rom, make sure it doesnt have bioscroll on it and you will see the HUGE improvement.
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i have flashed a rom based on 6.5 (bsb) and i agree with u at the moment the only problem its for closing application, using the x button often mean open the bar menu the best would be have a bottom bar with back and exit buttons

I like wm 6.1 whit touchflo
I LIKE WM6.1 WHIT TOUCHFLO STILL THE BEST FOR MY AND
BELIEVE ME I KNOW TRY SO MANY ROMS ALREADY I THINK IM ADDICT
TO NOW BUTT AFTER SO MANY ROM FLASH IS TIME TO MAKE A GOOD
CHOICE AND THE GOOD CHOICE IS STAY WHIT WM6.1 BUILD 203....
AND WAIT FOR THE OFFICIAL AND FINAL BUILD OF WM 6.5
ABOUT WM 7?????? IM REALLY DONT KNOW MICROSOFT MAKE NICE
OS BUTT NEED SOME TWEAKS THANX TO XDA-DEVELOPERS CHEFS COOK
I GO FOR WM 6.5 THEY HAVE FIND THE TWEAKS BEFORE MICROSOFT
THANX XDA GUYS FOR THE BEST ROMS EVER .
HERE YOU GO MY 2 CENTS.
GREETZ AND HAVE A NICE WEEK

New interface win mo 6.5

Why has manila been removed from most if not all of the 6.5 roms?
Am I missing something here? The 'new' interface for win mo 6.5 seems to me to be absolute rubbish as an interface. I have installed XBmod over the top.
What's the point of this new interface? It's limited at best. If you compare it to say the new iphone 3.0 os (I'm a win mo fanboy by the way) it's embarrassing.
Surely TF3d2 is the way to go??

vicious6969 said:
Why has manila been removed from most if not all of the 6.5 roms?
Am I missing something here? The 'new' interface for win mo 6.5 seems to me to be absolute rubbish as an interface. I have installed XBmod over the top.
What's the point of this new interface? It's limited at best. If you compare it to say the new iphone 3.0 os (I'm a win mo fanboy by the way) it's embarrassing.
Surely TF3d2 is the way to go??
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Take a look at some of the awesome panels and themes being developed over in 'Development and Hacking' and you'll understand. The themes are rich, customizable and very nice. ibrythill's WM7 one is a great example.
It's actually very flexible and functional. It can house heeeeappps more in those panels than Manila and then people are creating any sorts of plugins. Last night I read about a facebook panel that was just released. There are no facebook tabs for Manila, no 'create your own tab', no twitter tab etc.
I know I possibly made Manila sound bad but it is not by any means. Just a couple of reasons you'd want to try Titanium as a UI.

Cool thanks for that, wasn't aware of titanium etc etc will have a further look.
I was just looking at the basic homepage that comes with the roms and was a bit alarmed!
I think something cool should be on out of the box though when the new os comes out. as long as normal phone users dont have to mess about etc.

Well I suppose you can always put another homescreen like TouchFLO 3D on top of WM6.5. So it is very flexible to have a clean ROM and let users choose what suit them most.
BTW, the built-in kinetic scrolling of the WM6.5 is very good. I hope there would be a version of the TouchDLO 3D without the HTC kinetic scrolling.

Who wants WM 6.1 back

Hello Folks,
even though I risk to become the #1 target of ridicule here, allow me to announce that I want Windows Mobile 6.1 back...and a stylus.
For productive usage, nothing beats a stylus. Tapping small items, etc... . And the new start menu is a PITA too...
What do you think?

why do you want it back? just keep it! It won't eat up itself. I hate it to be honest.... never used the traditional WM homescreen. Hate the old start menu. And hate to pull out the stylus for every move. I'm so happy they moved to start menu to the bottom and you never again need to get out the styles to only close an app because you couldn't hit the f...g X with your fingers....

No Of course
The reason is very simple
Some good build WM 6.5 with Manila 2.1 Sense can be simple fast like WM 6.1
So i don`t like the Old Start Menu and all ugly Apperiance.. and i wonder WOW when i by my Blackstone with the Stock ROM how do i like this device befor?... maybe because i didn`t have alternative and didn`t know about the new Windows
the 21XXX are really Stable and Fast.. so i can Enjoy Everyday Use with Eye Candy

Have you been drinking today? WM 6/6.1 was once the WORST things that ever happened to Microsoft

TAMHAN said:
Hello Folks,
even though I risk to become the #1 target of ridicule here, allow me to announce that I want Windows Mobile 6.1 back...and a stylus.
For productive usage, nothing beats a stylus. Tapping small items, etc... . And the new start menu is a PITA too...
What do you think?
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In my WM6.5 ROM build 21893, I pushed to make it resemble WM6.1 as closely as possible. I've already figured out how to remove the WM6.5 lockscreen and use the one from 6.1 but I'm still trying to figure out how to replace the start menu with WM6.1's start menu. I like a lot of the features of 6.5 but hands down, 6.1 is just so much faster and more stable.

TAMHAN said:
Hello Folks,
even though I risk to become the #1 target of ridicule here, allow me to announce that I want Windows Mobile 6.1 back...and a stylus.
For productive usage, nothing beats a stylus. Tapping small items, etc... . And the new start menu is a PITA too...
What do you think?
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unless someone is forcing a new phone into your hand u can keep 6.x wm as long as the hardware lives in the device!!
untill you actually use WP7 keep and open mind!!

well i donot really want it for regulary use for sure but would love to try a classic version just for fun. although i doubt how my hd2 will react to it
it'll b like feeding my rottweiler beast with a small toast of egg.

TAMHAN said:
Hello Folks,
even though I risk to become the #1 target of ridicule here, allow me to announce that I want Windows Mobile 6.1 back...and a stylus.
For productive usage, nothing beats a stylus. Tapping small items, etc... . And the new start menu is a PITA too...
What do you think?
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I like my stylus and old WM today screen with plugins, I won't be using WP7

gerryjoson said:
I like my stylus and old WM today screen with plugins, I won't be using WP7
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me 2, ....

TAMHAN said:
Hello Folks,
even though I risk to become the #1 target of ridicule here, allow me to announce that I want Windows Mobile 6.1 back...and a stylus.
For productive usage, nothing beats a stylus. Tapping small items, etc... . And the new start menu is a PITA too...
What do you think?
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I like WM6.1 style too (now using WM6.5, but it's for testing only)

I'm going back to 6.1 as soon as I find the right ROM. I really appreciate what everyone has done with 6.5 but 6.1 works better for what I use my phone for.
So far nothing I've heard about 7 has told me it would be anything but worse.

I upgraded my TP2 to WM 6.5 and I have to say I didn't like it so I've but it back to the stock 6.1 ROM and it'll stay that way until I get a WP7!

all those who want the return of 6.1 are not consistent. Here we are on a website developement. and consequently. it means changing things .6.1 is part of the Jurassic era .. this is only my opinion

dharvey4651 said:
I'm still trying to figure out how to replace the start menu with WM6.1's start menu. I like a lot of the features of 6.5 but hands down, 6.1 is just so much faster and more stable.
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What he said ^
I won't go back to 6.1 as there is little to no ROM support these days, but i do like having more info on the screen, all this "finger friendly" stuff actually slows me down. I do like what has been done with kinetic finger scrolling, but fail to understand why all my fonts and icons have to be so damn big. If we are running resistive screens, we should at least be able to take advantage of precision.

winmo 6.1 really suck

nileet1 said:
winmo 6.1 really suck
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IMO 6.1 was great.... until they released 6.5
Now that I have it I can't image switching back to stylus usage and having start menu on top is horrendous!!!

Wm 6.1 or wm6.5
Wm 6.1 roms are stable... compare to 6.5

ravichandrabr said:
Wm 6.1 roms are stable... compare to 6.5
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Yep, more stable and faster in my opinion

I've just gone back to 6.1.
I was using Android for over a year and more and more I've been missing WM.
So, I got myself a cheap Touch 3G, installed 6.5.3 on it, played for a few days, got annoyed with the stupid layout of things, and installed 6.1 back on it.
I've really missed it.

on my device (toshiba g810) WM 6.5 28014 works as good as WM 6.1