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Manila versus WM6.5 Titanium

Many of you who flashed WM6.5 are happy with Titanium but face the problem of decide to keep better looking and fresh WM6.5 Titanium or going back to dull Manila because of its better functionality accessing applications.
I am happy with Titanium since i installed Touch Commander and got two scrolling pages, one scrolling up for Photo Contacts and another scrolling left or right for applications, links or folder access.
I suggest everybody facing this situation to try it and will never want to go back

Manilla vs wm6.5
thanx for u comment i think if the rom is fast and steady why chanced
better look ???new drivers new interface,better performance really don't know i
very happy whit manilla of course not the standard one

any screens/vids of what this might look like?
I don't think manilla is dull, I actually lik the GUI better than WM home page since it is cleaner and slicker, and has functionality at every tab rather than just one giant menu with small rectangular blocks that you cant fit anything inside of. It will just take you longer to do what you wanna do.
I want to wait for a speedy, stable WM 6.5 rom with TF3D2 from the Topaz ROM HTC finalized and fixed the major issues in. I that they cleaned up the scrolling bars and tabs found in the uglier WM 6.1! But the menu enhancements on the new Topaz rival the finger friendlier menus of WM 6.5 in my opinion.
Just my two cents but you sound pretty ecstatic about the marriage of WM 6.5 with Touch Commander so I am curious what that looks like, how it performs, etc.

looks are debatable; but titanium definitely feels much more responsive than manila (rhodium or otherwise)
it'd be nice to get manila up to that speed; or at least add in little things to titanium onto the main wm tabs (like weather)

but i think u can hv both Manila and Titanium from WM 6.5 at the same time
i flashed a WM6.5 rom with XBMod Rhodium Manila installed, and it works fine except for the Windows Live Application

I am liking titanium and I think it will be better than manila in the end one more and more tabs become avalible for it.
I think Manila2 > Titanium > Manila
I just love the extra facebook functionanlity of the Rodium manila and HTCs music player is much better to use when compared to WMP, the calender is prettier on Manila 2, as is the contact launcher.

I just love titanium, but i miss some thing from it.
Here it is my thread about it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=503045

Actually im begining to prefer titanium now, the fact that it doesnt hog the memory anywhere near as much and you can customise it quite a bit is good. I think that alot of extra tabs will start to appear soon and I will definetly be using it over manila

I never liked manila in the first place.
Sloppy.
Titanium uses only ~3Mb of RAM and the ease of access to base apps > manila.
It's relatively easy to skin the basic components. Some ppl have begun doing it.
Just decompile a WM6.5 theme (it's basically a CAB), study the install xml and you'll know all there is to know to get you started.

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diaramja said:
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seemingly fake...

a call to our hermes chefs!

first of all...everyone who offers cooked roms did a great job.
but the last months i noticed there are only WM6.5 roms with titanium.
for myself, i made the experience that 6.5 "with" titanium isnt realy made for our little devices. besides that it doesnt really give the comfort like manila does.
sure...at the beginning it seems smooth, but then after u start to work with it more often u notice the lack of "power"
so, is it possibe to try WM 6.5 with M2D insteat of titanium?
or if it doesnt work because of ram...why not just go back to the latest WM6.1 and make it stable and comfortable. after testing several wm 6.5 roms with tianium i went back to joshs V15 m2d, its just faster and easier to use.
just my thoughts, maybe others have the same.
but anyhow...keep on cookin'!^^

I have played with 6.5 a little, and I kinda feel the same. Except, I like a very lite today screen (lite on memory) and the standard 6.1 today plugins have suited me just fine, with the addition of pocket digital clock.
I guess we will have to see what the future brings, maybe titanium (chome) will improve. I'll probably be sticking with 6.1.
And, to me the latest build number (at least for 6.1) doesn't mean a whole lot. So many things can be changed in the kitchen that the build number becomes irrelevant.

ya, it doesnt have to be always the latest one.
but i guess it is just the hype for 6.5 an its titanium
it looks fresh and new, everbody wants to test and use it. and here the desire for the latest stuff comes in. a lot of people forget about the comfort they had with their previous roms (speed and usablitly).
we always have to keep in mind...6.5/titanium is made for another generation of devices...our hermes cant keep up with them anymore and it doesnt make sense to have a pseudo diamond2 which cant be used for daily tasks.

I have cooked a 6.5 ROM with manilla instead and had wayyyyyyyyyyy less memory then when using titanium. I like manilla better but the scrolling with 6.5 is something I just can't live without anymore.

I guess it's 6.5 all the way!
Hi,
I agree with MrDSL that things like scrolling in WM 6.5 is something even I cant live without... And I am on wm 6.5 and there are very good ROMs for hermes dished out by our chefs.. and in my personal experience are stable as any of 6, 6.1 ROMs.. I use them every day for my professional use..
and on the proactive note since the world is going forward.. I guess we should adapt WM 6.5 rather than taking a step back to 6.1; in any case if I would ever go back I'd do so to WM 6 than 6.1 since the later is more stable...

Titanium takes really low RAM... not comparable to Manila - even my small HS++ theme takes more!
For now the best ROM is 6.1 with one of the latest builds (21051/21048) - they're hell fast and rock solid. In the meantime I'm working on the WM6.5 stripped of the honeycomb and Titanium - and it seems really fast and stable! Soon I will release it, too for you, guys

utak3r said:
Titanium takes really low RAM... not comparable to Manila - even my small HS++ theme takes more!
For now the best ROM is 6.1 with one of the latest builds (21051/21048) - they're hell fast and rock solid. In the meantime I'm working on the WM6.5 stripped of the honeycomb and Titanium - and it seems really fast and stable! Soon I will release it, too for you, guys
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sounds cool!
@ manila issue
ok...it might use more RAM than titanium but its way more usable than titanium.
you have quicker access to main features. and i think that is what one wants...easy to use and comfortable.
of course its just a matter of taste but why should i "upgrade" to something newer which isnt that comfortable and with less speed than my previous version?
@scrolling issue
some guy at pdaviet managed to include a working touchflo into his hermes roms (6.1), without FTouch. i think it was dvha's rom.

M2D it's not for Hermes. I'm sure.
Titanium works fine in WM6.5 if you use only the plugins you need. I don't use titanium because I can't (or I don't know how to do) configure Weather for Spain cities and quick shortcuts to my favorite applications. Until I resolve that issues I use and recomend the old HTC Home.
M2D.....never again....
Titanium....yes...in one or two months.

WinMo 6.5 Advantages?

I am a current owner of a Verizon XV6800 and am searching the forums daily for news of Verizon's release of the Touch Pro 2.
With the improvements in the TouchFlo 3D interface, what are users going to find to be the biggest improvements with Windows Mobile 6.5? I'm not an expert, but it seems like TouchFlo 3D steals a lot of thunder from this upgrade. Other than the honeycomb screen (which I assume won't be utilized if using TF 3D) and access to the Windows Mobile store, I don't see anything earth shattering.
Thanks for any answers!

From my limited experience usinf wm6.5 (mostly from the old tmobile wing rom) I can't think of too much advantage of wm6.5 with touch pro2 either.
The biggest advantage of wm6.5 on wing was enlarged pop up menu and scrolling, which is already handled elegantly here with touchflo. So to me, wm6.5 upgrade is nice but certainly not necessary.

I'm anxiously awaiting my TP2 in the mail, but the biggest advantage I've found so far with WM6.5 on my current Tilt is the text messaging screen. Nothing is really different other than the icon next to each text showing if it has been replied to or not.
Pretty sure TF3D takes care of that in its own messaging window, though
One thing I really want out of WM6.5 in the newer builds is the new taskbar.

I'm seriously not a fan of the honeycomb start menu. I've just tried out one of the 6.5 ROMS, and it's a real turnoff. Don't understand why Micro$oft thinks anyone would want icons arranged in such a way. I've since flashed back to the latest stock HTC ROM...

How many of you liked Win 6.5 ?

As the title goes.. Did u really like the new Windows 6.5 ?
I tried to change my attitude positively so much but still couldn..
I feel 6.1 is still better ..
I DIN'T LIKE IT ... What about you ? Which Rom are you using currently ??

Haven't tried the "official" release, but many,many cooked flavors
and think it kinda hohum. Not that much of an upgrade if any really.
6.1 is fine and does what I need. Not sure if I'll try the "official".

cbreze said:
Haven't tried the "official" release, but many,many cooked flavors
and think it kinda hohum. Not that much of an upgrade if any really.
6.1 is fine and does what I need. Not sure if I'll try the "official".
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Not much has changed from 6.1 to 6.5.
The two things that really catch the eye are:
- the new start menu
- the new lock screen
Both things are far better than with 6.1 so I prefer 6.5.

ahnikhil said:
I DIN'T LIKE IT ... What about you ? Which Rom are you using currently ??
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What is it that is in WM6.5 that you don't like. Many said that WM6.5 is like WM6.1. What are the changes in WM6.5 that you don't?

Personally, I'm ecstatic about WM6.5. WM6.1 had an 8 email account limit. That was a bummer for me since I have about a dozen that I would like to check on my phone and SMS, MMS, and Outlook counted against the eight. WM6.5 doesn't have the limit (that I have found). I have 12 email account configured and the "add email account" button is still active.

yea, 6.5 is prettier because its not them ugly white backgrounds in the programs and settings options, but really no actual difference......... but, id say 6.5 for being prettier.......

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What is it that is in WM6.5 that you don't like. Many said that WM6.5 is like WM6.1. What are the changes in WM6.5 that you don't?
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More importantly, what is in 6.1 that they like so much? As far as I see it, anyone that would take 6.1 over 6.5 is stupid AND crazy (provided 6.5 is free).
Hmm, let's see... do I want the clunkly, old looking, non-fingerfriendly 6.1 or do I want the newer, less clunky, fingerfriendly 6.5? No brainer.
Do I lose anything 6.1 had? No. Do I gain anything good? Yes. Does anything change for the worse? No. Again, no brainer...
Granted 6.5 isn't revolutionary, but it is evolutionary.
Anyhow, the 6.5 haters/6.1 lovers are probably lame ass Windows XP lovers/Windows 7 haters or people that don't actually understand technology. Probably old people actually. Also, what's with talking about 6.5 in the past tense?

WM6.5 is so much more finger friendly. i rarely find myself taking out the stylus anymore, which is great.

I have been reluctant to use 6.5 simply because of the new Start Menu. I'm not a big fan of the offset layout. I don't know why, but the layout makes me really confused. Seriously, don't ask me why...
But I like everything else about 6.5 (ie, the lock screen and the finger friendly features).
I wish there was a 6.5 ROM that uses Manila 2.1 with the HTC Start Menu...

My biggest pro is the capility to lock the screen without having to install 3rd party apps that chow battery life.

Today screen interface suggestions

WM Prof 6.1 - TP2 - T-Mobile
Trying to figure out what to do about the today screen. I have gone between HTC TouchFLow3d and WM and am not overly happy with either. Left HTC because their contact screen does not return you back to the previous selected contact. I am new to touch screens and it can be painful to finally get to the right contact. Then accidently select the contact above or below, click on back and be returned to the As. WM is just plain ugly.
What are some suggestions. I hear about sbd and cookie. What other interaces are out there and what do you use or suggest?
THanks

I disable Sense and use WisbarAdvancedDesktop 2 to get exactly the interface that looks like I want. There you can build the today screen nearly totally free. Look here for examples:
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=60

SPB Mobile Shell: http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/mobileshell/
Inifinity: http://forum.ageye.de/viewforum.php?f=57&sid=2353928fca9fe6940d2bc2f845891662
Titanium (new Windows Mobile Theme).

I think you'll find that the SPB that burton linked to will probably be a lot more comfortable to use, it runs a lot leaner than Sense does, and is just a lot more approachable...but still very powerful when it comes to customizing. And, there's pre-built themes you can apply if you find one that suits you.

If you really like customizing and lots of functionality, you may like Pointui Home2 which I use. See my sig for details... it's memory footprint to comparable to Spb MS too. The theme/suite I use in Home2 is one I coded to look like WP7, but have real functionality not just look nice/flashy.

i am leaning towards a commercial, paid interface to replace TF3D. need it to be pretty stable. i have already spent so much time playing with this phone that my family is about to mutany. so betweem spb and pointui how would you rate their stability, ability to customize, and ease of customization - and anything else to compare.
wm 6.1 prof
tp2 - t-mobile
tf3d 3.0

thebrenda said:
i am leaning towards a commercial, paid interface to replace TF3D. need it to be pretty stable. i have already spent so much time playing with this phone that my family is about to mutany. so betweem spb and pointui how would you rate their stability, ability to customize, and ease of customization - and anything else to compare.
wm 6.1 prof
tp2 - t-mobile
tf3d 3.0
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I honestly haven't used the pointui interface myself yet, but I can say that SPB is ultra-stable (especially compared to TF3D and Sense), and presents a nice small load to the system resources. It's been around for years, and even ran smooth and stable on my previous HTC phone, the Wizard, which had barely a third of the processor power and memory capacity that the TP2 has. It's also about as easy to configure as a phone GUI can be, and extremely flexible and customizable....there's literally dozens and dozens of themes and styles available for it, both here and across the net, all of which are extremely easy to apply and/or switch between.
I'm not saying anything bad about pointui, I just don't know it. However, I do believe that SPB will have more "ready-to-use" stuff to find than pointui, just based on how often I see them.
Also, SPB allows you a free trial version, so you can give it a try without committing

sirphunkee is correct about Sbp MS. Compared to Pointui Home2 it is much easier to hit the ground running with it and is more polished overall with lots of customization. Both it and Pointui are very stable on just about any device. Both can get away with low memory footprints since they offload larger sized images to storage memory, though I'm not sure if MS can, but Pointui allows you set the image threshold to either use more memory for speed or more storage if you need memory to run more apps or stay stable. I've used all flavors Pointui and all the other UI's and I aways come back to Pointui, since it's scripting engine is just as powerful (C#-based) as MortScript allowing for extreme customization and speed at the OS level. Sorry rambling... to sum it up there are many UI's/Today plug-ins that are great and varied. I'll list some, but besides TF3D/Sense, Titanium the most integrated for WM the 2 imho that are at the top are Pointui Home2 and Spb MS3.5.
Here some others to try...
1. HomeScreen++ formerly BatterStatus very powerful Today plugin and great for integrating standard today screen with most PIM info or just having single screen for all important info.
2. iLauncher
3. ThrottleLauncher
4. Infinity
5. And more...
Again to me MS and Home2 are the best and both have trial versions that don't really expire. Go with Home2 if you need more functionality (PIM-wise) and love to spend time customizing otherwise go with MS3.5 if you want instant eye-candy and shorter prep time customization-wise. Both have all the basics and more to start off and both have great support communities (I'm a community dev on Pointui forums). Whichever you choose, these two, or some other will be a great choice.