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Considering a Diamond to replace my Tilt.
Last Friday, PC Magazine reviewed the Diamond, highlighting its pluses and considerable negatives in this article:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2321616,00.asp
Could any of the ROM developers or others in this thread address what, if any, of the negatives in the article are eliminated or mitigated by ROMs developed here, such as battery life, poor Touch Flo screen response & generally buggy, slow software? (PC Magazine is hoping that US version will be better.)
Regardless of response, thanks to all for really helpful discussions & commitment to bettering stock ROMs.
Hmm... crappy review
I don't think that's a fair review to go by, but then again, i love my Diamond . I think the Diamond addresses a different kind of user then say an iPhone would. I for example don't mind making a backup (which takes about 30 seconds), and then flash new ROMS. as for the downsides:
- Sluggishness: This is, as far as i'm concerned, all fixed in most recent cooked ROM's. I started out with dutch 1.34 firmware (or was it 1.35... i'm not sure... the slow one though), and eventually got kind of ticked off. Flashing New ROM and some minor tweaks fixed this
- Keyboard eating up half your screen: Well, some ROM's include a smaller keyboard, though you definitely need a stylus to work it (i have thin fingers, so i can pretty much operate the full keybord with my fingers).
- Windows Mobile visible in places: For day to day use you barely ever run into Windows Mobile. And for the places you do it's a small effort to put the font-size to a few pixels higher so that everything's readable and clickable with your fingers.
- Opera issues: bull****. Works perfectly. Recent builds even more so then the stock one.
- Speakerphone quality is crap: well... yes it is. but it's a speaker phone, whad'ya expect? 5.1 sound?
- YouTube locking up his handset for 65 seconds: never heard of it happen, have quite a few friends with this phone. Application is quite snappy actually i think, considering the amount of data it has to process.
- Little additional software: How's adobe reader, flash lite, opera 9, google maps, office mobile, standard games + teeter, album viewer, jblend java, htc zip and a youtube player sound as per standard?
All in all i think this is an immensely biased review, from someone who probably hasn't used it for more then 2 days. If you give it a week to get used to it and personalize/tweak it you'll love it (i do, previous phones include Samsung i600 and i320, HTC Touch, Orange SPV M600, Nokia N73, so i'm not exactly new to smartphones).
I've never experienced the bugs in Opera mentioned in the article.
Most of the cooked ROMs on this site are significantly faster than the stock 1.93 ROM. As a reference, I can say that the diamond in the article is said to score:
SPB Benchmark: 378.11
CPU index: 2258.69
File system index: 176.37
Graphics index: 366.36
The presently fastest cooked ROM (Swtos v.095) gives:
SPB Benchmark: 512,41
CPU index: 2290,21
File system index: 214,74
Graphics index: 1688,14
That said, my honest opinion is that the Diamond UI is NOT as responsive as the Iphone. A lot of people here hate the comparison, but as a happy Diamond owner, this is my verdict and everyone who has made a direct comparison will tell you the same thing. There ARE still minor hickups, waiting for apps to start and slight lag in the TouchFLO 3D. I hope these will be eliminated entirely, but we're not there yet.
I'm presently using SwiftBL 6.0 FULL, considered as a fast ROM.
Many of these reviews aren't helpful to be honest, they're just more of the tired old apples versus oranges debates by people who don't much like oranges.
I can sum it up thus:
There is simply no device on the market giving more punch per unit volume... and that is by some margin.
This is why I got one, and it's turned out my decision was inspired.
It does however have it's drawbacks, and this device certainly isn't for every one (at first I had to prime it for my wife when she pinched it to make a call), but love it or hate it, the WM platform is so versatile, and is so ultra configurable, that if you put the effort in you will be handsomely rewarded... I think mine's great!
Being the owner of both diamond and iphone 3g. The best advice i can give you is going for the diamond. Forget all the other crappy phones. well i just use iphone as an ipod + web surfin I knoe i could go for the ipod touch but i like to show off that is why i just bought it. But trust me mate TOUCH DIAMOND WITH A LATEST COOKED ROM KILLS ANYOTHER DEVICE IN THE MARKET.
PS: Oh well if you like keyboard then go for the Touch PRO which is better than diamond. I am just waiting for it to come on vodafone uk so i can upgrade my contract.
Ehm? What? Heh?
This must be the worst and most unbalanced review I have ever read.
His whole critique could have been replaced with "it's not an iPhone". And you know what, that's absolutely true!
I currently have a Raphael, Diamond and Kaiser in operation. My preference is in that order. (I'll take the Kaiser over an iPhone though).
If you're coming from the Kaiser, you will love the Diamond (though really the Raphael is the Kaiser replacement here, not the Diamond).
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Ehm? What? Heh?
This must be the worst and most unbalanced review I have ever read.
His whole critique could have been replaced with "it's not an iPhone". And you know what, that's absolutely true!
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I'll have to go ahead and sort of ...disagree with you there!
I believe the review clearly shows why the Diamond isn't for everyone. The reviewer gives a very plausible view of the feature-hungry but regular Joe who just buys a cool phone in a store. This "Joe" did actually take the effort of upgrading the Diamond to latest stock ROM, but the quirks still left him frustrated and wanting.
The Windows Mobile platform and this great forum gives us power-users the means to address these quirks and that is exactly why I choose the Diamond over the Iphone. With the Iphone, you're left at the whim of Apple, who still more than a year later can't even offer something as fundamental as landscape typing, except in Safari.
Still, most users can't be bothered to go about the amount of modding that the Diamond requires to fulfill its potential. I'm a newbie still, yet I've spent countless hours reading these forums. I think we can agree, that kind of effort is not for everyone and that the Diamond without tweaks and with stock ROM, is quite a rough cut.
But, I have to give credit where it's due. When it comes to responsive user interface, the Iphone has raised the bar for ALL touchphones, and by a fair margin too. This is a good thing, comparing is a good thing - because it will make the industry and HTC to strive to adapt to the new standards.
The Diamond is a super device, I love it, and compared to other WinMo-devices it really excells too. But why is comparing it to the Iphone like Apples and Oranges? I think the majority of buyers in the market for a touchphone considers BOTH the Diamond and the Iphone, and probably the Omnia too. And all devices has their advantages and disadvantages, in the end it comes down to personal preference.
But still, wouldn't it be great to get the best features from all of them into one device?
So keep comparing and keep the whip on those developers! =)
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But why is comparing it to the Iphone like Apples and Oranges? I think the majority of buyers in the market for a touchphone considers BOTH the Diamond and the Iphone, and probably the Omnia too. And all devices has their advantages and disadvantages, in the end it comes down to personal preference.
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Point taken that consumers can always use informed opinion to help make their choices...
But still, wouldn't it be great to get the best features from all of them into one device?
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...but until the happy day this mystical beast is born, I think we're still stuck with choosing between apples and oranges.
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I'll have to go ahead and sort of ...disagree with you there!
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Well you don't seem to disagree that much, you just use more words
On many points we agree, but that is because of the apples/oranges thing.
As I said, the Diamond is not an iPhone, and if mr average joe considers it to be one, that is their mistake.
The iPhone simply trades features and power for a sleeker UI. And though it is not there yet, WM will get this responsiveness as well. And it will not be HTC driving this, but rather MS themselves (mark my words). The slacking HTC is doing on many of its former devices and which is still partially there on the Diamond and Raphael will not be tolerated any longer. Though of course WM could be further optimized, do not forget that HTC can do all that the chef's can... they just don't
You actually say it yourself, you are left to the whim of Apple on many points, but in return you get a very responsive UI. This is just the other end of the spectrum from WM.
You will see, by the time the iPhone has the power of WM, WM will have the UI of iPhone. The only difference then is will you go with the Apple and still let all the decision be made for you, or will you go with MS and decide yourself what you want your device to be?
Yes, it would be great to have all those things. And we will. Just not yet
Thanks, everyone, for the quick and substantive replies to my question. The multiple perspectives are really great and are one of the valuable aspects of these forums.
Ive had my Diamond for almost 2 weeks now. I must say... after the excitement of taking it out the box, to being bitterly disappointed with the sluggish UI (to the point that I actually took it back to the dealer and asked for another phone), I must say that after discovering this forum, things are looking much rosier.
I'm slowly but surely starting to , as someone previously said, unlock the potential of the diamond and starting to like it again.
If you are expecting an iphone-like device, don't get this phone unless you are willing (and have the time and skill) to customise it. Its going to be a frustrating journey for you if you don't.
If you've already owned a wm device, you will probably love it (after customization)
As we all consider the Touch Pro2 or Diamond2 or other, what has been the best phnoe of all so far?
I've had an XDA, XDAII, Universal, Atrhena and Touch Cruise. I resurrected the Universal last week and I'd have to say that the build quality, functions and design re-impressed me.
So this gets my vote.
We can all say "yeah, if it had [insert fsvourite function] xxx would be the perfect phone, but in context which one stands out?
Tomo said:
As we all consider the Touch Pro2 or Diamond2 or other, what has been the best phnoe of all so far?
I've had an XDA, XDAII, Universal, Atrhena and Touch Cruise. I resurrected the Universal last week and I'd have to say that the build quality, functions and design re-impressed me.
So this gets my vote.
We can all say "yeah, if it had [insert fsvourite function] xxx would be the perfect phone, but in context which one stands out?
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I am more than agree with you!
Universal from 2005 still beating some of the newest models, yeah I knoe it´s a bit big but still the best, at least for me!
The best way to support any device is entering here and voting!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446362
Poll closes soon
Cheers,
Thanks I've just done that.
I hope it's not a case of 'Vote early and often' as I'm rooting for the Universal
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Thanks I've just done that.
I hope it's not a case of 'Vote early and often' as I'm rooting for the Universal
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I too would have to agree, the Uni is by far the most "Functional" PDA yet to be be created for "Business" usage.
Yes it is slightly bulky but it is also 4 years old, and to still be holding it's own with it's dedicated fans is incredible considering how fast this market moves.
The only problem for the poll is that not that many people bought the Uni in the first place. It was very pricey on release and most people didn't desire to own one based purely on it's size.
I never regret my purchase, and must say it hs been the most reliable enjoyable and functional (for my usage) PDA I hvae ever owned and I've had quite a few..........
Cheers,
Beasty
I never owned a universal, but always wanted one. They are very good devices. Now, I need 3g, so no way I would buy a universal now.
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I too would have to agree, the Uni is by far the most "Functional" PDA yet to be be created for "Business" usage.
Yes it is slightly bulky but it is also 4 years old, and to still be holding it's own with it's dedicated fans is incredible considering how fast this market moves.
The only problem for the poll is that not that many people bought the Uni in the first place. It was very pricey on release and most people didn't desire to own one based purely on it's size.
I never regret my purchase, and must say it hs been the most reliable enjoyable and functional (for my usage) PDA I hvae ever owned and I've had quite a few..........
Cheers,
Beasty
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That´s an extra point to Uni!
As you mentioned, when Uni was launched only a few carzy (Incliding me) went fast and payed a lot of $ to have it, but when time passed some other people started to think on Uni and buy it.
I can think on this as a strange behaivour... The more time passes the more people realize how good it is!
I have saw a lot of new users buying Uni nowdays.
Poll is doing great! Imagine Universal competing with 2008 great devices like Blackstone or Xperia for mention some and Uni still on the first 3 places!!
Universal: The best micro laptop/pda buissness oriented device made to this date!
Cheers to all,
The HD Blackstone has been the best for me so far...only wish it had a bigger CPU!
but wait I already voted, but when the new ones come on will i be able to vote again?
Link278 said:
but wait I already voted, but when the new ones come on will i be able to vote again?
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LOL!
Of course mate!
I will create a yearly poll, so we all can vote again!
this was only the first poll...
Stay tuned for "The best device of the year 2009"
the kaiser has been my favorite so far, and the lack of buttons that the iphone forced the world to follow is a loss in my book. the rhodium looks slick, but i'd still have my kaiser if it was just vga
orb3000 said:
LOL!
Of course mate!
I will create a yearly poll, so we all can vote again!
this was only the first poll...
Stay tuned for "The best device of the year 2009"
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Thanks I can't wait till all the 2009 phones are out though, especially the touch pro 2, it might have the old processor and ram, but it seems almost like HTC improved everything else, 2 speakers and mics for better call quality, bigger touch screen ext.
Yeah me too!
Let´s see what other models HTC bring us on this year...snapdragon perhaps?...
Menatime let´s all vote on the poll already is created!
No need to have a second thread with same topic and with no poll!
N900 seems superior to the TP2 in every way except the keyboard, is anyone else thinking about getting an n900? 5 megapixel camera with dual led flash, decent keyboard, fast processor, great multimedia capabilities, upnp, 32gb built in with sd expansion... what does the touch pro 2 have over it?
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... what does the touch pro 2 have over it?
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The N900 seems like a nice phone, but I prefer the stylus, hand writing recognition, windows mobile, and XDA support that the TP2 has to offer.
I got a TP2, waiting to get N900 when it's release. Do what I do, then you wont have to decide between 2 phones lol.
Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!
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Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!
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no symbian... maemo... and my father has a TP2 which I've been customizing for him and playing with and I agree it's an awesome phone. I wouldn't mind having either one, but the N900 clearly has superior hardware except for keyboard
ok maemo whatever, is not WM...
And hardware keyboard is more than enough to go for it!
Sorry, I got to say that these "this versus that" topics are useless. Don't let a couple of forum users sway your opinion. There are numerous text/video reviews of the TP2. And when the N900 releases, it will receive the same treatment from reviewers. Make your own decision based on your needs and preferences.
And forget specs. Just check out that monstrosity that Toshiba made (TG01).
For me TP2 is a better choice than Nokia. The large touchscreen, qwerty keyboard. And I got diamond 2. I like it very much. So if I have to choose one, I'd get HTC. I even don't know how to change message tones on n900.
The deciding fact is people themselves not the phones.
I will definitely get the N900 once it's released in the US and after the initial price drop. The TP2 will be my back up phone.
Maemo (true Linux OS) + faster processor (OMAP3) + more RAM (256MB & 768MB virtual) + more space (32GB) + better camera
i prefer tp2
tp2 is my choice
I had a N800, and I think the major problems with it were lack of developers and the high price tag for the N810. Maybe the N900 will spur new Maemo growth with subsidized prices, but the MSRP needs to go down a lot. It's fun to be able to run Debian on a mobile device, just not all that useful at the end of the day (for me, at least).
Other than that, I think we can all agree that the TP2 needs a better camera and flash.
True, the TP2 is lacking, but the N900 won't have 3G in the States, I believe, not that there's a lot out available anyways...
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True, the TP2 is lacking, but the N900 won't have 3G in the States, I believe, not that there's a lot out available anyways...
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It has T-mobile 3g bands
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It has T-mobile 3g bands
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Yeap and it's just perfect for me
I think both are great "phones", so everyone needs to decide for themselves. That having siad: it has been stated on a website (fprgot the URTL) that the N900 only has landscape view and no portrait. If that is true, then the N900 is not a real replacement/competito to the TP2
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I think both are great "phones", so everyone needs to decide for themselves. That having siad: it has been stated on a website (fprgot the URTL) that the N900 only has landscape view and no portrait. If that is true, then the N900 is not a real replacement/competito to the TP2
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I haven't heard that, but even the N800/N810 could do rotation through a switching app (through a kernel hack). And I thought the N900 was supposed to have an accelerometer. It worked quite well on the N8x even without one...
I think a lot of features for the n900 are forthcoming, they just wanted to release it asap... as far as rotation they said that devs are free to include it into their apps, weather it is integrated on the ui level remains to be seen.
Two things concern me though, the lack of buttons which the tp2 has, and the lack of XDA support... I don't know how talented the maemo developers are but I don't imagine they are as good as some of the guys here... time will tell
the standard view of the N900 is landscape, so you need (extra) software to rotate it to portrait, which is IMHO cumbersome.
For the rest I agree with RTbar
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ok maemo whatever, is not WM...
And hardware keyboard is more than enough to go for it!
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orb3000 said:
Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!
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You are assuming that everyone is as much a wm fanboy as yourself. We get that your pro wm but to say that he cant come into an htc forum and tell hem what he can and cant say....Thats just being thick and limited on your part. What do you think of Android on HTC phones!? Go to the Hero section and say that too then.
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Sorry, I got to say that these "this versus that" topics are useless. Don't let a couple of forum users sway your opinion. There are numerous text/video reviews of the TP2. And when the N900 releases, it will receive the same treatment from reviewers. Make your own decision based on your needs and preferences.
And forget specs. Just check out that monstrosity that Toshiba made (TG01).
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Why would these topics be useless. He is a asking a legitamate question. He is torn between phones and asking knowledgeable community what they think. Many others may be on the fence about which phone to get.
Also I see that when asked about specs on the tp2 (which are ****) the common tp2 enthusiasts defensive is to compare a device loaded with specs but **** on gui like the TG01. Come on, like that is the only device that is has better specs as yet. Check out the B7610 omnia pro.
@ ORB Stop being so limited, Its competition. You want other phones to be better to increase competition, hence HTC will keep pumping out phones that are better and better. IE nvidia v. ATI. SEE QUOTE not directed at PILOT
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okay
A, orb3000, we all know this is a htc forum, but we still like to be kept abreast of the latest technology, we want people like newforce to post this type of news as it gives us an idea of what hardware other manufacterers are putting in the devices
so when u write "Not of much interest here as we dedicate to HTC devices only", this just isnt true as we want this type of info to keep us clued in.
just because this is a htc devices forum doesnt mean we dont want people to contirbute news on other hardware.
B, NewForce, this is and always has been a htc device thread and its not changing anytime soon
but like i said above posts can be made on other hardware models unless its a post asking for a forum
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Engadget is a massive website and so they get quite a few votes on their polls. There is a poll for the Windows Phone launch to see how many Engadget readers will be buying one of those new shiny devices.
The results are interesting and I think that they could have been higher but take a look for yourself.
Engadget Windows Phone 7 Poll Results!
What do you think about it? Do you think Microsoft could have done more to push it as they are spending about $500 million on advertising.
This poll tells me that Dell needs to hurry up with the Venue Pro.
Phone Titan said:
Engadget is a massive website and so they get quite a few votes on their polls. There is a poll for the Windows Phone launch to see how many Engadget readers will be buying one of those new shiny devices.
The results are interesting and I think that they could have been higher but take a look for yourself.
Engadget Windows Phone 7 Poll Results!
What do you think about it? Do you think Microsoft could have done more to push it as they are spending about $500 million on advertising.
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Not really considering most of their audience and articles are geared toward Apple and Android products. I'd like to see the results a year from now.
makes me sad how the surround got no love. its seriously the best phone ive ever owned.
Badly formulated poll if you ask me, as the first option could mean both "I didcnt want one" or (as was the case for many ppl) "No hardware was available to me".
On this poll, I can see :
- 83.4% didn't get any WP7
So it mean that 16.6% want a WP7. I don't know how to interprate this but it could mean that WP7 could potentially reach at least 16.6% market share ?
WM currently has less than 5%.
But there are some people, like me, who want a WP7, but are waiting for a better smartphone, simply :
- 16 GO or more
- Memory card
- < 1 GHz
- S Amoled
- 8 MPX or more with a true flash
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On this poll, I can see :
- 83.4% didn't get any WP7
So it mean that 16.6% want a WP7. I don't know how to interprate this but it could mean that WP7 could potentially reach at least 16.6% market share ?
WM currently has less than 5%.
But there are some people, like me, who want a WP7, but are waiting for a better smartphone, simply :
- 16 GO or more
- Memory card
- < 1 GHz
- S Amoled
- 8 MPX or more with a true flash
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Thats what I am waiting for as well. I just wish the focus was available outside the US.
At the moment there is no where to even purchase a WP7 in Thailand, And no mention of when it will be available.
I find it hard to fathom what the dealers were thinking when they decided to only offer 8 GB on most models.
For me the biggest mistake MS made with having numerous handsets available with different carriers is that many are left with a terrible lineup with their chosen carrier and unless you are willing to switch, you either buy a phone you don't want or you wait...I'm waiting...
I'm with Bell Canada...we have the frumpy LG phone with keyboard...it looks marginally better than a feature phone...I can't imagine they will sell many of these when Bell is also pushing the flashy Android phones and of course the iphone...
The only phones I want are the HD7 which is not available in Canada, the Dell Venue Pro which is not available in Canada or the Samsung Focus which is on Rogers(ie. Robbers) and I have no desire at all to switch from one thieving company (Bell) to one that is even worse...
I think MS needs to somehow force the carriers to carry more variety or push the manufacturers to release better versions....the hardware for the most part is crap except for the Dell and Focus....
You should stop in a store and handle the Surround. I wrote it off a month ago when it was announced as I thought it wouldnt interest me, it was stupid, crap, etc. but after handling one and using it and seeing how thin it was, I really took a liking to it and ended up buying it. Id say handle all these phones before settling on one sight unseen.
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You should stop in a store and handle the Surround. I wrote it off a month ago when it was announced as I thought it wouldnt interest me, it was stupid, crap, etc. but after handling one and using it and seeing how thin it was, I really took a liking to it and ended up buying it. Id say handle all these phones before settling on one sight unseen.
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I'm going to an MS event that is showcasing all the phones in Canada in a week or so and I'll see them all there....the surround doesn't look bad at all but I have no use for that speaker, no mater how well it sounds...it just adds bulk.
The carriers up here in Canada with the exception of Telus are not promoting WP7 at all...I guess it's because Telus is the launch partner for WP7 but man if that's the case they should have pushed to get the samsung focus...
I was expecting more. Much more. And Nokia disappointed me. First, I think I'm not astonished because I've seen the hardware before. At June.
The Lumia 710, it's pretty nice and cheap. It's great!
But hey, where is the front camera? Every device nowadays should have one. Even if I dont use it, I want it. Skype is just around the corner (hope so) and it will allow, or should, video calling.
So, Nokia did save WP7? Everyone was expecting this day to foresee the WP7 future. What now?
Saved or Doomed?
I don't think they've done either - it will survive with or without Nokia. What I do think they've done is totally shot themselves in the foot by leaving out FFC. Think I'll be getting the Titan now to replace my HD7, very disappointed with Nokia on this one.
I totally don't care about the front facing camera, so it's hard for me to see it as a make or break feature for the platform.
They weren't supposed to release some super awesome device.
The idea is that Nokia is a massive brand in Europe, has the biggest market share (despite relying on a dying OS, Symbian, and having competition from the iPhone) and brand. People will buy Nokias because they're Nokias. A certain premium comes from Nokias as seen with the unique design on the Lumia 800.
It's the equivalent of Apple going suddenly ditching iOS and deciding to go with Android and then releasing an iPhone 4S with Android.
I am more than disappointed by Nokia.
But this was predictable. They are just focusing mass customers and developping countries with low end devices...
I will stay with HTC or move to Android. That's pretty sad.
Looks like the 710 supports SD card, that's interesting
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I am more than disappointed by Nokia.
But this was predictable. They are just focusing mass customers and developping countries with low end devices...
I will stay with HTC or move to Android. That's pretty sad.
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Think its important to note that these are just the 2011 devices. The rumors have suggested upwards of 12 Nokia phones in various form factors by the end of 2012.
Doomed....lol
Nokia don't save WP7...Windows 8 will...
Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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Doomed....lol
Nokia don't save WP7...Windows 8 will...
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I hope so!
Worldwide? I'm not from Nokia, but they took 9 months to take a device that they probably already had (N9), put some buttons and the OS. If XDA hackers would want to, they could put WP7 OS in N9 in 2 months or less. But nobody cares at all. Whatever, the point is.. they took 9 months to create a device that isnt a killer device, and they forgot the "Worldwide" word. Not even US. Rumors that they will arrive here at February. 4 months? Not even Apple is that slow.
And the Lumia 710 is the only device that surprised me, not for it's specs, but the price is nice.
And frontal camera isnt a feature that would turn me away from a device, but that's us. If I can have a bigger (not Titan bigger) screen and a frontal camera for the same price, I would choose the bigger screen, thanks.
But yeah, Lumia 800 is sexy.
pwachleman said:
Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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Looks like Nokia's plan gonna fail...Think their strategy managers need to go back to school...
They gonna focus on China and India,which gonna fail real soon...Although they are huge population there,but it doesn't means you gonna success.
Lets make some simple assumption, especially in China now,what's most important for a developing country?they will definitely promote local company to grow rather than allow foreign companies to dominate their market such as Nokia. Even apple Ipad and Iphone tax so high in China. I can say that they are over hundread phone manufacturer in China who making KIRF phones...And now,here is the most important part,when talking about KIRF phone,nowadays they already started to use android(the green army).Why?cause it is free,no license fee or anything...
Therefore, the protection towards local investment and the "Free" goddess of Android will simply block Nokia out.
Lastly, don't think that people in developing countries won't want a high end-device...
It is a tough game for Nokia now,Anyway,windows phone 7 will be safe until the Windows 8 is released,complete integration,sync and kinect....
Doomed for Nokia...cheers
Everybody in this forum who makes $7/hr bagging groceries always knows that the bigger company sucks at planning, marketing and developing. Just watch & see whether they succeed or fail, none of us have any idea who will buy it.
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$7/hr bagging groceries are a good measurement and good enough to judge their low end phones...Anyway,Thanks for your reminder.
Nokia starts to lose their ground...Take nine months to copy their own design on N9...great stuffs...
People with name starts with steve sucks ball( steve'n elop, steve ballmer), except steve jobs....
It is just silly Elop is praising their Nokia N9 sales are great while he is the one who killed the device.
mikeeam said:
Worldwide? I'm not from Nokia, but they took 9 months to take a device that they probably already had (N9), put some buttons and the OS. If XDA hackers would want to, they could put WP7 OS in N9 in 2 months or less. But nobody cares at all. Whatever, the point is.. they took 9 months to create a device that isnt a killer device, and they forgot the "Worldwide" word. Not even US. Rumors that they will arrive here at February. 4 months? Not even Apple is that slow.
And the Lumia 710 is the only device that surprised me, not for it's specs, but the price is nice.
And frontal camera isnt a feature that would turn me away from a device, but that's us. If I can have a bigger (not Titan bigger) screen and a frontal camera for the same price, I would choose the bigger screen, thanks.
But yeah, Lumia 800 is sexy.
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LOL Sure they could
pwachleman said:
Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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that's because us consumers rejected them and carriers followed as a result, thanks to Symbian.
tHe phones are cute but I can care less what it looks looks like. They go in cases to keep their resale value as high as possible.
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Expecting the flood of hate to commence in 3,..2,...1.... go!
Oh, forgot to mention. The 800 actually lists USB storage mode and TV out as features. So as usual, the haters always focus on the negatives but the oft requested features are ignored. OK, back to the hating!!
efjay said:
Expecting the flood of hate to commence in 3,..2,...1.... go!
Oh, forgot to mention. The 800 actually lists USB storage mode and TV out as features. So as usual, the haters always focus on the negatives but the oft requested features are ignored. OK, back to the hating!!
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It also says FLAC and AVI support. For me it's now down to Nokia 800 and Samsung Focus S
I dont get all the hate i love this phone already and will be getting one on the 16th. I dont get what you are expecting tbh some sort or cyborg tech from the future? We all knew what WP7 supports etc and as for the rest of it i cant think of a better looking well made handset and the screen looks lush
Don't think its devices that will save WP7. It is marketing and retailer influence, which it looks like Nokia is taking very seriously.
Sure, the Lumia 800 looks decent and has pretty cool features, like navigation. However for a flagship device i miss a FFC, not that I need one but a flagship device should have one. With 16GB this device will be a great option to jump on the WP7 train if priced right. However if the Omnia W comes out around the same prcing I'll go for that. Because it has a FFC... But we'll see...