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hi all
my mda compact iii seems a bit glitchy when sliding the side bar on pages that are too big to display. rather than sliding the contents of the screen smoothly like my mda pro did, it skips up and down a bit making it impossible to read when you are scrolling down a web page for example. only workaround is to jab at the up / down buttons at either end of the slide bar. is this common to all mda c iii's or do you think mine might be faulty?
cheers
si
my orbit had the same problem, glitchy when using the side bar. Not all the time, but if you have a long page, then sliding it up and down is smooth to start with, but then the glitch starts happening. I don't think its the machine, but more like the OS.
I changed my orbit and now using the trinity. The trinity does have a quicker CPU, and is quicker for general operations. Not that I was too bothered with the speed of the Orbit, because it was good enough for general usage.
thanks hongsit
that's put my mind at rest. it seems strange that my mda pro felt much much slower at everything else even though in theory it has a faster processor, but it was really smooth at handling its vga screen draws. anyway, the artemis is a real step up in every way (except scrolling!!)
cheers
si
also glitchy scrolling
Hi...
i'm having the same problem scrolling is glitchy.. but interestingly only in the lower half of the screen. Already recalibrated the screen but didn't solve the problem.
What is your solution, apart from using the scroll up and scroll down buttons. Because i really liked to hold the stick on the scroll bar while reading websites...
Maybe i should ask O2 if they replace/fix it.
cheers
Armin
PS.: it's also annoying while playing solitaire
Hello, guys!(I'm sorry for my English)
I read these two themes(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311534, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311225)and thought: " And it is impossible to put Touchflo on our Artemis?"
What ideas will be on this occasion?
P.S: the separate put *cab with Touchflo(Alpha) - is a black screen and all
from what ive seen the touchflow is more than just the touch screen. It uses a touch sensetive part of the front bezel to activate it.
i agree, from the demo i have seen, you activate it from a touch sensitive part of the phone - not the screen... but there must be some apps availble, the menu's etc... anyone know?
you can install the htc home, dialer skin, comm manager but it makes the device so sluggish its just unusable. The touch is a much faster device with a dedicated graphics chip to handle the drawing.
These graphics chips make the world of difference. Going from portrait to landscape on our device can seem slow at times but the Wizard with the same ram and processor is faster because it has such a chip.
Chances are if touchflow ever gets develped for our device it will be more of a gimmick than a practical application due to the speed.
My idea is to make a program that acts like WVGA-fix, that is, reducing the display area ( by 160 pixels in height) in order to make VGA applications compatible AND, at the same time, using the space gained at the bottom for a virtual D-Pad.
That would make many 3D games compatible and playable (becuase of the D-Pad) but also applications like Realcalculator or the SPB suite.
Does anyone want to do this? I'd donate at least 20 bucks and I guess there are lots of other people who would appreciate a solution like this.
Nice idea, but what's the point in the WVGA screen then? Might as well get a Diamond!
also thought about that. tgere is someone working on it. search for the d-pad sip thread.
the idea is to program an emulator, wich opens applications in a 640x480px Frame this way its simulates a VGA screen. the 160px left can be used for virtual D-Pad. when pressing a button on the virtual D-Pad, the direction has to be send to the frame - to the application / game.
Koffein Schluck said:
also thought about that. tgere is someone working on it. search for the d-pad sip thread.
the idea is to program an emulator, wich opens applications in a 640x480px Frame this way its simulates a VGA screen. the 160px left can be used for virtual D-Pad. when pressing a button on the virtual D-Pad, the direction has to be send to the frame - to the application / game.
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If you want to go as far as having an on screen virtual keypad with the OS running at a lower resolution to accommodate it, I imagine this would need to be done through a replacement screen driver much like NYDITOT. If you've ever used NVD, you should know what I mean. They use a generic replacement for the screen/display/keyboard driver that then allows the OS display to be run at any resolution and then scrolled.
But since it replaces the entire screen driver (ddi.dll) with it's own generic version, this method is also a performance hit for more graphical apps like games. If someone can figure out something better and easier, go for it. I imagine you would only need to hack with the touch driver if you wanted an invisible on-screen dpad or something.
And it should look like this http://upload.csrune.com/files/dpadsip669.PNG ;-)
It's just another keyboard...
Hello, sorry to unburry this topic, but I consider the concept is of premium importance.
First of all, I think it should have nothing to do with resizing the screen, as it would just complicate the process and slow down the programs...
Games and other software using the HD's missing pad are generally already VGA (if not QVGA) sized (considering recent WVGA games can use the touchscreen or the accelerometer), so they already display black unused sections on the screen (and by the way, a lot of useful apps, such as WVGAFix or Hou Ming's Force Hires already manage the lost margin and/or resize QVGA to VGA).
So it should only be about using this otherwise spilled and already existing dead zone to display a pad.
There are tons of applications for such a pad, and not only games !
Just browsing through directories can just be so painful without a pad, as Windows Mobile massively relies on its presence.
For instance, you have nice thumbnails showing when you parse pictures, but they are rendered useless, as you can't browse through them ! As soon as you select the next one with stylus or finger, it pops opened (well, popping isn't really the appropriate word, if you consider how slow the process is )
Then the best way to browse a directory, is to open the SIP keyboard, but of course, not the Microsoft one, as it has no arrow keys (remember : Windows assumes a pad is present) : you have to open this nice, but oversized HTC one, you know, the one that has arrows, but no Ctrl key, and therefore is unable to copy and paste !...
As keyboard arrows do work in any situation, I really, really think we all lack a simple 4 direction pad (plus "action" button, the other four classical buttons being physically present, phew) that would take no room on the screen, and help us browsing files and menus, or playing games.
The virtual pad should be available in the keyboards and other input devices list, exactly the same way the others are.
Ideally, we could imagine a tiny one that would overlap the central button and take no room on the screen, but just occupy about half an inch in the center of the lower bar, plus the usual SIP input choice arrow, in order we can still change keyboards at will.
For older VGA ou QVGA games, a larger and more finger friendly version could be imagined, either just a thick line of buttons, or why not, a larger pad, as shown on Wolfenzi's nice picture.
Just consider that a lot of virtual keyboards are available, so It doesn't seem to be something impossible to do !
It would be just another keyboard, just having only 5 keys, and nothing else !!!
I actually really can't figure out why nobody seems to be interested by such a simple yet useful idea...
Oh, and as Maati, I'm ready to remunerate anyone who'd do the effort, too.
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Nice idea, but what's the point in the WVGA screen then? Might as well get a Diamond!
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Well, not as I see it, and support the need for such a utility.
This utility would allow older (no longer actively supported?) applications what were design for VGA and control (only!) thru the D-pad, to still work.
Of course, new applications will be written to fully use WVGA, and have control thru means other than the D-pad.
maati said:
My idea is to make a program that acts like WVGA-fix, that is, reducing the display area ( by 160 pixels in height) in order to make VGA applications compatible AND, at the same time, using the space gained at the bottom for a virtual D-Pad.
That would make many 3D games compatible and playable (becuase of the D-Pad) but also applications like Realcalculator or the SPB suite.
Does anyone want to do this? I'd donate at least 20 bucks and I guess there are lots of other people who would appreciate a solution like this.
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+2 Ditto.
Z80-Man said:
Hello, sorry to unburry this topic, but I consider the concept is of premium importance.
First of all, I think it should have nothing to do with resizing the screen, as it would just complicate the process and slow down the programs...
Games and other software using the HD's missing pad are generally already VGA (if not QVGA) sized (considering recent WVGA games can use the touchscreen or the accelerometer), so they already display black unused sections on the screen (and by the way, a lot of useful apps, such as WVGAFix or Hou Ming's Force Hires already manage the lost margin and/or resize QVGA to VGA).
So it should only be about using this otherwise spilled and already existing dead zone to display a pad.
There are tons of applications for such a pad, and not only games !
Just browsing through directories can just be so painful without a pad, as Windows Mobile massively relies on its presence.
For instance, you have nice thumbnails showing when you parse pictures, but they are rendered useless, as you can't browse through them ! As soon as you select the next one with stylus or finger, it pops opened (well, popping isn't really the appropriate word, if you consider how slow the process is )
Then the best way to browse a directory, is to open the SIP keyboard, but of course, not the Microsoft one, as it has no arrow keys (remember : Windows assumes a pad is present) : you have to open this nice, but oversized HTC one, you know, the one that has arrows, but no Ctrl key, and therefore is unable to copy and paste !...
As keyboard arrows do work in any situation, I really, really think we all lack a simple 4 direction pad (plus "action" button, the other four classical buttons being physically present, phew) that would take no room on the screen, and help us browsing files and menus, or playing games.
The virtual pad should be available in the keyboards and other input devices list, exactly the same way the others are.
Ideally, we could imagine a tiny one that would overlap the central button and take no room on the screen, but just occupy about half an inch in the center of the lower bar, plus the usual SIP input choice arrow, in order we can still change keyboards at will.
For older VGA ou QVGA games, a larger and more finger friendly version could be imagined, either just a thick line of buttons, or why not, a larger pad, as shown on Wolfenzi's nice picture.
Just consider that a lot of virtual keyboards are available, so It doesn't seem to be something impossible to do !
It would be just another keyboard, just having only 5 keys, and nothing else !!!
I actually really can't figure out why nobody seems to be interested by such a simple yet useful idea...
Oh, and as Maati, I'm ready to remunerate anyone who'd do the effort, too.
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hail to this simple, yet working solution.
and even include gestueres perhaps like windows and resco keyboard has.
why is it that we dont have this yet than??
sorry for my bad english
Hey, there's even worse than our good old Touch HD !
I recently tried a Touch HD 2 a friend wanted to show me (actually the guy who sold me his Touch HD ! ) and now there's an even biggest problem with HTC Sense (or maybe just Windows mobile 6.5) and the capacitive multitouch screen !
The good old scroll bars on the sides of the windows have been replaced by a thin line popping a slider when you press on it...
But, now it's all but precise !
As your finger now touches an entire area at the same time, it becomes almost impossible to scroll precisely to a desired position in a long list or directory (just try to go where you want in the Windows directory, and you'll go quickly mad) !!!
Maybe it would be better with a stylus, but there's no stylus provided with the Touch HD 2...
Or maybe it would be better using the arrows keys... The ones that should be on the pad if it was there...
Now you know why I told you that story !
I owe both a Polaris and a Blackstone and, in my opinion, TouchCube is far better than TF3D. TF3D looks nice but let's face it... it eats up system resources, it's laggy, when browsing through tabs it's not very thumb friendly (you have to bend your thumb to the max), you can't customize the tabs position (it would help if they were placed on one side because it would be easier to scroll through the same number of items having at least 30% more room to place the tabs), the so called customization... is way too limited (you get to change the fonts, the tab order, the shortcuts... in the end you'll get the same layout), the multimedia section was divided with the unhappy default association of the video files with an application clearly meant for photos...
So... my question: can the TouchCube be ported on the Blackstone and, along with it the Polaris Audio Manager? Can the Album application be "broken" in two applications one handling the photos and the other the videos?
I was thinking just the other day "what happened to the cube?"
It was pretty cool. Think it would be good a replacement for the action screen thats floating about?
Try duttys ROM with new manila, TF3D is uber fast
Sallcho said:
Try duttys ROM with new manila, TF3D is uber fast
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and what about ergonomics?
So... I get it that no developer is interested in porting the Cube to Blackstone
I have never tried it, but how about the option "Cube" under HTC TouchFLO when using Advanced Config. How about changing that to Enabled, will that do the job?
I'll make it my next project
I'm currently finishing an animated today screen for this phone while docked but when I'm done that that I'll start work on a cube launcher that replaces the current Program's tab with a custom app that gives you a cube with multiple options for launching programs... icon view, rotate to list view, rotate to cover-flow view etc
Did you try the cube here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234
Maybe you just have to adapt to wvga screen ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234
I tried this one instead... installs ok but it's for qvga it starts and then it goes to the top-left corner. the animations work just fine, some of the links must be rebuilt... and that's about it. But... i mus admit it... i don't have the knowledge to port it to WVGA...
I know it won't be free, but what about something like SPB Mobile 3 due out at the end of March? Have a look at around 58 seconds in here:
http://www.wmexperts.com/update-spb-mobile-shell-3
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Just found a video showing it on a Touch HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8DDNE3lgA&feature=related
Cookie999
I appreciate the work of the people at SPB. It seams they did a good job. But... I am not a phonecentric person and something like the cube suites me better. SPBM3 looks like it requires a lot of time to be customized and even when you think you got it you wake up with a fully texted today screen and a directions map to help you swipe through screens...
The HTC TouchCube might seam blunt compareing it to SPBM3 but this is what I like about it... an easy way to launch/hide, easy recognition of the page you're in... i can't explain it very well but for me... the TouchCube is more natural, more organized and a better interface than the windows start menu when it comes to basic tasks.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPB Mobile 3 looks great... forget what I wrote before. No need to write what they have already written
Cookie999 said:
I know it won't be free, but what about something like SPB Mobile 3 due out at the end of March? Have a look at around 58 seconds in here:
http://www.wmexperts.com/update-spb-mobile-shell-3
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Just found a video showing it on a Touch HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8DDNE3lgA&feature=related
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Dude! That looks freeking awesome and just think I neally bought an iPhone 3G
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nice i like it...
Cookie999 said:
I know it won't be free, but what about something like SPB Mobile 3 due out at the end of March? Have a look at around 58 seconds in here:
http://www.wmexperts.com/update-spb-mobile-shell-3
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Just found a video showing it on a Touch HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8DDNE3lgA&feature=related
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looks great!!
it moves really good!
Please resize the cube for vga/wvga would love it!!
yea spb mobile shell 3.0 does look good buuuuuuttttttttttttt its not free cost almost $30 and to be honest like many of you have been saying, i do miss the cube app from the htc touch...that app was very cool an useful plus i loved how when you needed it you just swiped up an when you were done you swiped down an that was that... SO I TO HOPE THAT IT CAN BE RESIZED FOR VGA AND WVGA!!!!!
Mrferrari23
If only I could... I'd do it myself
If it was posible id like the touchcube too, it's more finger friendly imo and it's faster to use. Like said before, if I knew how to do it myself, I would..
Bell UI
Browsing the internet I found the Bell UI. Looks quite nice.
To all the chefs out there... is there a chance to port this to HD? 'Cause I'm kinda' giving up the idea of the Cube being ported to the HD...
Just came from my Tilt to the Tilt2. Having lots of problems. Device is slow and a bit painful overall.
Background: Not a "chef" level enthusiast but comfortable upgrading ROMs, registry edits, general customization, good device organization/maintenance, etc. Been using WinMo since my trusty PDA2k. Definitely a big HTC fan overall. I was really excited to get this device as on paper it seems so much better than my Tilt. I had my Tilt for quite a while (~2+ yrs) and ended up sending it back twice to HTC for repairs. Each time they fixed something and broke something else. I finally got so sick of the non lighted keyboard (that they broke) I "upgraded" to the Tilt2. Needless to say I have been spending a lot of time here since then...
1. How many folks are sold on TF3D? Sure it looks great, a nice iPhone ripoff but does it really make you more productive, faster, offer a more intuitive UI, etc.? I'll have to say my impression is no. I am certainly giving it a chance. One big gripe is that is was fairly easy with WM 6.1 and a good today screen customizer to get access to everything you needed on a single screen. Under TF3D - no way. How many clicks or gestures does it take to start a new text message? How many to get to your tasks/to-do list? Why do all of the icons in the "top bar" such as BT, 3G, volume all go to the same useless "Notifications" menu? Very keen for feedback from some longer term TF3D-ers.
2. Phone: Used a lot of BT connection to my car system for hands free today. Dropped calls like mad. Way worse than doing the same with my Tilt/WM 6.1. General call quality is substantially improved including clarity, volume and speakerphone. But what the heck how much does quality really matter if you are dropping like mad? To me these devices are phones above all and that means phone and BT should be rock solid. With HTC they simpy NEVER seem to be. I suppose this could simply be AT&T in San Diego but the comparison with the trusty Tilt was so much worse I don't think it is signal strength. How about the slide gesture that is required to take a call? That is clumsy, why not just a red and green screen button, sure I know you can use the hard buttons but I prefer the larger easier to see screen based buttons. Perhaps the justification is less accidentall accpeted calls while reaching into pant pocket...
3. General speed, stability: Not good. Tilt/WM 6.1 was quite a but snappier. Tilt2 hangs more often and many apps are a lot slower. One staple app for me is Resco File Explorer. It is so slow it is almost useless. Just like laptops/desktops CPUs get faster, you get more memory but the overall experience and speed does not really improve.
4. IE: Sure the zooming and panning via TF is nice but when you don't want to use the mobile version of google the page is never loaded at a good size, the cursor does not seem to default in to the search text box. I seem to have to pan and zoom before entering a search. Am I really that much of a noob? Also, I just can't seem to loose the stylus and select URLs with a finger or fingernail. It seems there is a minimum required zoom level to click URLs. In general web pages load substantially slower than with IE in WM 6.1. I need to spend some more time with Opera (or others?) but not happy thus far at all.
5. AT&T bloatware: Removing it requires going through a highly manual process or using a fairly highly customized ROM. Ugh.
6. Clock: Both the fact that you can not change the clock size and the annoying auto-flipping numbers "feature" when the today screen refereshes are enormous oversights IMO. Also main TF home clock does not match clock in the top bar. They can be off by 1-3 minutes.
7. Screen ocassionally gets locked in landscape after keyboard closure. How many versions of hardware and software will it take for the HTC/Win folks to get this right? Why do we need the Gyrator or other software to get this to work like it should out of the box?
There are tons of positives for sure. One huge one is how clear the device talks to your desktop when connecting the cable (sync, disk drive, interner sharing). So much better here than prior WM versions. Of course the screen in general is crystal clear and a real beauty. Keyboard is quite good as well. The in call phone menus are great too.
I'm keen for any encouragement, general advice, ROM advice or specific advice or fixes for any issues above. Thanks.
TF3D is cute, but IMO not useful.. You're right, that stupid "flipping numbers" thing is beyond stupid. What the hell is it really doing? Every time anything changes, it flips random numbers around. Perhaps if the device and graphics were uber fast it wouldn't be bad, but it's.... well, daft.
If your phone is dropping calls, that's hardware/radio, not Wm 6.5...
Personally I had my Tilt 2 about 3 days before I moved my SIM from my Tilt to my Tilt 2. In that time I was setting it up, adding my programs, updating random stuff to go from QVGA to WVGA. Along the way I used TF3D a little, but it was mostly just aggrivating so I went back to Pocket Plus where I can use my Today Screen plugins that I love.
There's a whole thread about not using TF3D, I think you should just read it, I think it covers most of your gripes ;-) TF3D is just a Today Screen plugin, you realize that right? If you want, disable it, use what you used in WM 6.1. It should all work, assuming resolutions or other compatibilities, but personally all of my today screen plugins worked.
swamp2 said:
Just came from my Tilt to the Tilt2. Having lots of problems. Device is slow and a bit painful overall.
Background: Not a "chef" level enthusiast but comfortable upgrading ROMs, registry edits, general customization, good device organization/maintenance, etc...
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If you're comfortable flashing ROM's - try some of the offerings from the chefs here. I used my T-Mo TP2 stock for about 2 days before flashing. They make a huge difference in both performance and usability. I'm partial to AthineOS and NRG's ROM's, currently on the latest AthineOS with WinMo 6.5.1 (Start and OK on the bottom - very finger friendly) TF3D 2.1, as of last night. I use a product called Sashimi (Google it) which automates flashinbe by auto-configuring all my apps, wifi, ActiveSync, customizations, etc. I can now flash a ROM and be up and running as if nothing happened in about 30 minutes. The custom ROM's are all mostly tweaked for speed, and are absolutely faster than my stock ROM was.
Opera is head and shoulders above IE these days, get a copy of 9.7, it compares very well to the Safari browser on the iPhone - the best mobile browser IMHO.
I've had a Tilt (numerous WinMo's actually), iPhone 3GS (still have it), Android G1 (still have it), and think right now this phone beats most.
The one area I will agree is very buggy still is the landscape flipping. I just make sure I'm in a very compatible program (Opera, Mail, Garmin, etc) when opening the slider, and then stay away from TF3D while landscaped. It's a bit of a PITA, but worth it for the awesome keyboard.
Don't give up, this phone has a ton of potential.
-JS