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Anyone seen a simple digital compass that uses the GPS and G-Sensor?
I know there are loads of GPS apps that provide a compass and, of course, the HD will need some initial directional input to get a compass bearing. But, after that start-up would it not be possible to provide a compass movement based on the G-Sensor ?
Thanks, D.
You mean that the g-sensor could sense the magnetic field on earth? That would be great but a think its a bit optimistic.
I cant figure out why such advanced devices dont have a digital compass. A map+gps used for walking is almost useless when you dont have a compass, and the gps can only give you a bering at a sertain speed (usually faster than walking)
Noop - that was not what I meant - sorry if not clear.
What I mean is the G-Sensor is able to detect direction of the device. So, once the HD has got some compass bearing (using the GPS after travelling for a while) then the G-Sensor should be able to provide a compass bearing?
The main problem is getting that initial bearing. After than the G-Sensor should allow the HD to keep track of bearings?
my opinion : inside the HD, it's just G sensors (able to "feel" where is the weight of the device pointing, ie "where is the center of the earth").
What you describe could be achieved with (and i would say at least 2, 3 being even better) ACCELEROMETERS, devices able to MEASURE accelerations. THEN it would be able to follow a bearing after giving it an initial one. (what you describe looks actually like the basic function of how airplanes IRS, Inertial Reference Systems, works. Which is a major instrumentation for aircraft navigation, comprising 3 accelerometers ).
My suggestion on a compass was initiated by seeing the funny (but useless!) Diamond Saber - star wars laser sword.
Playing with that more carefully on a flat surface indicates that maybe you're right that the "G Sensor" is not a full 3D accelerometer implementation. Or, maybe the software for this silly but fun light saber is not accessing the rotation details ??
The alternative is just the old watch and sun trick !
Cheesy Dave said:
My suggestion on a compass was initiated by seeing the funny (but useless!) Diamond Saber - star wars laser sword.
Playing with that more carefully on a flat surface indicates that maybe you're right that the "G Sensor" is not a full 3D accelerometer implementation. Or, maybe the software for this silly but fun light saber is not accessing the rotation details ??
The alternative is just the old watch and sun trick !
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Thinking about this today I realised that the idea is probably not sensible !!
Everytime you switch the phone off when using a "possible compass" then it will need a new bearing. So, best just to stick with the "normal" GPS applications.
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Considering buying touch hd, but being able to use gpsdash2 is reasonably important for me. Does it work? If yes, does it work at full resolution? My present pda is a mio a701 and I use gpsdash2 with 1:25.000 maps for registrering botanical locations. Your feedback will be appreciated.
http://wimobi.com/gpsdash/overview.ppc2.php
mikdyb
Ok, so nobody seems to know gpsdash2. Is there anybody out there who would be so fantastically kind as to download and install the program and give me some feedback (I know it is a lot to ask)?
Gpsdash2 can be found here:
http://wimobi.com/gpsdash/overview.ppc2.php
I bought this software what seems years ago for my HTC smartphone (qtek 8310). At that time, it was way ahead of its time. Then, after one update, the developer went offline and never reappeared ever since.
At the moment, I am using Oziexplorer which does the job even better and is supported. Obviously, I now have a ppc (touch HD) and no longer a smartphone.
Conclusion: stay clear of Gpsdash2. It's dead.
Thank you for answering. You are right, of course, gpsdash2 has not been developed for some time. However, I would still like to know how it performs on touch hd, as it it is the program I am used to.
I had a look at Oziexplorer and that will be my alternative, if I cannot use gpsdash2. Does Oziexplorer utilies the full resolution of touch hd?
Doesnt boot on mine sry
mikdyb said:
Thank you for answering. You are right, of course, gpsdash2 has not been developed for some time. However, I would still like to know how it performs on touch hd, as it it is the program I am used to.
I had a look at Oziexplorer and that will be my alternative, if I cannot use gpsdash2. Does Oziexplorer utilies the full resolution of touch hd?
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I am not sure. It does occupy the full size of the display but the templates you call upon are not 800x480. I don't think it makes a difference as you don't need this sort of resolution with oziexplorer. The maps are actually processed by the software in multiple resolutions, which allows to have crystal clear displays as you zoom in and out. Seing is believing: test it and you'll forget about gpsdash2.
Hope that helps.
ive just tried this on dutty 3.3 XT rom and i get FRamework error? sayin to reinstall.
any ideas why this wont work?
Let's have a look at
HTML:
http://www.vitotechnology.com/en/products/smartnavigator.html
VITO SmartNavigator works on Blackstone without problems and looks better than gpsdash2.
Problem solved
Thank you all for your replies. Did not get any real feedback on the functionality of gpsdash2, but you gave me some alternatives. Went ahead and bought the touch hd anyway (what an instrument!!!), and after trying both gpsdash2, your suggestions and a couple of other gpsprograms, I came to the following conclusions:
1. Gpsdash2 works to a certain degree if you change screen resolution to vga before installing and before using. However, I am not able to access all menus, so that dosen´t really work for me.
2. Tried Oziexplorer and it is obviosly a wonderfull program. For my needs it is overkill (I don´t need all those functions) and it costs real money. I´ll will certainly keep it in mind should my needs change.
3. Had a look at Vito Smartnavigator, and it would probably have done the job. However, it worries me that the program dosen´t figure on Vito homepage and I had to download from some random site. So what about development and even more important, where to buy a license?
4. Tried some freeware programs and ended up with Terracrosser, http://terracrosser.com, and it does excatly what I need and no more. I have to use sattelite photos instead of 1:25.000 maps, but the program downloads and saves them automatically from google with precise geographical calibration, and I can get the equivalent of 1:6.000 maps if I need it. So a lot less work for me.
Again, thank you all for your contributions.
mikdyb
Terracrosser
I have been using terracrosser and it is wonderful. Best thing is, it is a freeware and I can download goolge maps or yahoo maps (both map and satellite images). It is really easy and I can download selected region. I have maps of places I visit frequently and I add new maps if I am visiting new places. It also works with gps and also gives speed.
The user interface is not so touch screen user friendly when it comes to scrolling the maps. But not a big problem as map scrolling is seldom needed when you have gps. Also the program is under development so lot of new features are being added.
I'm trying to find a website to buy need for speed undercover with g-sensor support. I did a google search but what I found doesn't specify the version and I don't want to buy the wrong one.
Thanks
Actually the g-sensor driving does not feel as precise as touch screen driving. I still execute the touch-screen exe.
same thing here, i hated the way the g-sensor worked. im back to the normal touch screen mode with i like.
Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS
lunatic_silf said:
Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS
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In short, no.
jake_tenfloors said:
In short, no.
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Thats not correct because somewhere here on the forum I have seen a gameboy emulator software for the Touch HD with Multitouch support and all people says there that it works perfect!
If I´ve time I´ll look for a link to this thread later!
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There are some pseudo multi-touch apps out there that mimic the effect of multi-touch:
basically if you pressed both edges of the screen windows records a keypress somewhere in the middle
so if you had a four way d-pad arrangement with a couple of fire buttons you can 'sort of' emulate multi-touch by capturing a press that registers inbetween say the up and fire button.
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=489147
i have even managed to reproduce this simple behaviour in a .net test app.
i also read an article where the hardware of the G1 (yes i know that not a touch HD) was multi-touch capable but the device driver for the screen was not and some clever chappy was attempting to write a driver that would give the point pressed and a radius allowing the 'pinch' style zoom gesture of the fruitPhone.
and if you google for that there are several other even more successful attempts at bringing multi-touch to the G1.
it seems that with that phone the initial limiting factor was actually the OS not supporting multi-touch
winMo also does not support multi-touch....
so this begs the question is the HD hardware capable with a little device driver / OS hacking ???????
anyone????
The game emulator only simulates multi-touch by averaging the point between your two touches. So touching the left side of the screen and the right side of the screen registers as touching in the middle of the screen.
This works for the game emulator (Morphgear is the one they've done this with) because you can make virtual game pads that have hidden buttons. So touching on the virtual up button and touching the virtual A button registers as touching in between them allowing you to have a hidden virtual button at that spot that does the up+jump action.
It's not real mutli-touch, but very well done and handy for that specific purpose.
edit: Beat me by seconds, purec0de
silf there is the search function anyway eh
I know that it is kinda possible, but you've all said "emulates" & "simulates". Thus it not true multi touch like the iphone.
Please remember this is the same guy asking if we can install OSX on the touch HD.
So far, the answer is a simple "no" (e.g.: ditto to jake_tenfloors)
Remember that the HD has a resistive screen whereas the iPhone has a capacitive screen.
There are rumours of companies developing drivers and software packages to get a true multi-touch for resistive screens, however, Windows Mobile 6 (including 6.1, 6.5) doesn't have support for multi-touch.
So unfortunately for us HD users (or Diamond or devices without hardware buttons), we'll have to make do without.
why would you want to install osx on the hd. would you not just buy an iphone or as so perfectly described in a previous post, fruitPhone.
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so this begs the question is the HD hardware capable with a little device driver / OS hacking ???????
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Simply: No.
dlaponin said:
why would you want to install osx on the hd. would you not just buy an iphone or as so perfectly described in a previous post, fruitPhone.
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Coz iphone has terrible hardware specification compare to HD.....
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Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS
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No, however I made proof of concept software which emulates some multitouch features on any single touch screen. You can zoom in/out by pinching as well as rotate objects. It can also recognize whether you are touching with just one finger or two. So for example you can pan picture around with one finger and skip to next picture if you drag it with two fingers. This is not hw specific and works on ANY single touch device, including touchpad on your laptop and various touch screen computers.
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No, however I made proof of concept software which emulates some multitouch features on any single touch screen. You can zoom in/out by pinching as well as rotate objects. It can also recognize whether you are touching with just one finger or two. So for example you can pan picture around with one finger and skip to next picture if you drag it with two fingers. This is not hw specific and works on ANY single touch device, including touchpad on your laptop and various touch screen computers.
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any chance of posting this for us to play with??
+1 I too would like to have such a thing, even if its only for album.
hi mate i agree with purec0de...is there a chance of posting this simply because it sounds like a very nice piece of software and we would be very grateful if you choose to share it.
thx in advance if u plan to post
I too wrote a limited multitouch (MT) demo but the problem was how to map it into existing programs... there are no standard event handlers for MT in current WiMo... this changes with WiMo 7.0 next year. Bottom line you can write a custom application that does a pretty good job of acting like its MT but it is a stand-alone application (read: does not integrate with HTC Album etc)
Please post this multitouch Demos... it would be realy nice to test it
Hello guys from long time i search some cool compass aplication that will be very usefull for all of use.
I found that the new Touch HD 2 have Digital Compass who work Under WM 6.5 and use the GPS.
The question is.. We have WM 6.5 for our Blackstones and We have GPS too
Can someone port this Beautyfull Digital Compass we to can use in Blackstone
Here is the Image:
Im pretty sure that this requires extra hardware that the HD does not have.
I dont mean exactly the same but someone can make some similar compass for our Blackstones for example can se the graphic from the original one just to get the idea.
We have G sensor and GPS so its posible to be made some kind of compass.
There have been a few roms that have tried it, but it did not work and caused the HD to crash when trying to exit the app.
This is not possible: The Touch HD does not have a compass, the HD 2 does!
Just using GPS there is no way for the device to know which way is north! It can only figure out the direction when it's moving, not when it's stationary!
There have been numerous threads on this subject!
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This is not possible: The Touch HD does not have a compass, the HD 2 does!
Just using GPS there is no way for the device to know which way is north! It can only figure out the direction when it's moving, not when it's stationary!
There have been numerous threads on this subject!
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Correct, our HD's will never have this capability due to not having the hardware needed. One more reason to purchase the Leo
theres plenty of compass apps out there allready that use the GPS eg....Beeline, Efficasoft, there's heaps more though off the top of me head, there the ones I use. Otherwise your gonna have to buy a phone that has the specific bit of hardware in it, that can give you a stationary reading, as the GPS ones calculate this via your movement.
try install latest rom Lost In Asia there is implemented that compas and copilot live 8 trial too
I know that the TP2 come with different kind of sensors (ambient light, proximity, g-sensor) and wonder if we could make the most out of them.
There are lot of programs out there which make use of the g-sensor to rotate screen and so on.
What about the ambient light and proximity sensor? I have not come across any programs using them...
When I drive for example, I listen to music using my TP2. I can't really change the tracks since I am driving. I was thinking may be the proximity
sensor could help...
Eg. 1. Waving the hand in front of the sensor would move to the next track.
2. Leaving the hand in front of the sensor after few seconds would pause the music...
These are just simple ideas and I think many of you guys reading this will come with great ideas (even for the light sensor)....
My point for this post is that does anyone have/or can create API's for these sensors (It would be great if they were in .NET compact, would make life easier for developping apps.)
I am sorry for posting this in the ROM section but I think by posting it there, it will attract the attention of the ROM cooks, who I think would have come across these sensors and might have thought of doing something special with them
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TouchLockPro
Check out TouchLockPro by ZuinigeRijder - it uses all the sensors of the Touch Pro 1 and 2 and the source code is freely available
Except the proximity sensor - it didn't know it had one...
www.zuinigerijder.com
sensorapi for .net
Thanks for that but the sensor API for .net does not support proximity sensors. Anyone knows how to deal with proximity sensors?