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IMEI CHECK.CO.UK i think i got em uncovered

hello lads, wish everybody is fine and doin well, ive been doing some intelligence and detective work around around the weired fact that IMEI check are the only guyz around with an unlock solution for the UNIVERSAL.
what i accumilated was kindda weired. according to information gathered from this website and specially from my favourite two super stars (BUZZ lightyear and Mchinegod) those legendary stars got it all fine lolll.
what i found is.
IMEI check has some source in HTC inovations in taiwan.
this source has probably supplied em classified Hardware Software information on how to unlock the Universal.
second speculation is that they also has a source that has unrestricted acess to the IMEI-Unlock code database. and he supplies them the assigned codes for some percentage from every unlock they make.
in both cases there is an insider who must ve supplied critical info on raming this device into the corners.
just for the info, i mentioned before that i had a weired problem and that is i wanted to unlock my MDA pro and T-mobile the netherlands told me that my IMEI doesnt exist in thier database or its not a T-mobile universal varient. however i managed my way in contacting someone in HTC and my honest source tracked my IMEI back to T-mobile the netherlands, i offered this source paying him money to gimme the unlock code but he refused in great honesty and said, the entire HTC cant supply me these codes not for free not for a fee, acoording to a business agreement with the T-Mobile. after a while, i got an email from T-Mobile telling me that they have my Unlock code right now and they are ready to supply me the code for like 70 euros or something,,
that shows that there are some leaks around between HTC and its business partners and, our freiends at IMEI check, has foudn some way to access these leaks and make some money.
wish i explained my theory
best regards
shady

why dont they offer then an online unlock... you send them imei number and money... they send you unlock code....
there is an other way they do it

€70 is much less than I was first asked for to have an Unlock code. It was more like €175, and that was for a little Samsung phone before T-Mobile took over One2One.
After you've been using the device for 1 year, your first year contract is finished. After this first year contract, the Universal belongs to you - NOT T-Mobile - and you are therefore legally entitled to do anything you want to with it, including unlocking it. T-Mobile CANNOT legally deny you this right - if they could, the central IMEI databases which disallow network access from stolen devices would simply disallow access to other networks from your IMEI.

thas exactly the point
asking for physical acess to the machine while still sayint that they will not open it and hat all stuff will be made through cable. sooo i think this provides perfect diversion.

Yeah, I think I said in an earlier post that the whole thing about 'sending your Universal in because physical access is required' is a load of bullcrap. It's as shady said, they have an insider at HTC which really makes me question the ethics of their dealings in the first place. I don't think I like these guys very much.

I think you forgot something US (imei-check):
We killed JFK, we are green and we come from Mars. Somewhere on other forum I saw that someone says that we like to collect the MDA PRO's. Yes we love to swim in them . We are aliens and we like that.
These declarations are as true as your conspiracy theory.
WE HAVE NO connection with HTC or any other manufacture or operator. We are just a bunch of programmers which like to work till late not to stay and see if anyone comes with anything for free for us.
This forum should be called Warez and freeware searchers since here all you can read is where to download such software and were to get such thing for free. Only a handful of people from here does developing, rest just a bunch of beggars (sorry for the previos spelling mistake, but hey I'm not a native speaker ).
Florin Mandache
Director of MIGsofT LTD (imei-check.co.uk)

Imei Check
I resent your comments regarding the rest of us no-hopers being 'baggers'.
If it wasn't for forums like this you guys wouldn't have any business cos the vast majority of us would have returned our pda phones due to lack of network support.
I have no qualms paying for unlocking but the networks take the mick by making you wait weeks for the unlock codes.
I dare say you guys have learnt from this forum and if you didnt charge 50 squid for a universal unlock code you would get more respect.
We all have a part to play mate so just remember this:
Without consumers(or baggers as you like to call us) you would have to latch onto somting else so give us a break !!!

i vote with jonboy. if u dont respect this forum why are you on it,,, i have no idea actually + if you think my claims are wrong, there is no need to insult all of us, my friend the way you answered is a hard proof that at least some of my claims have taken a byte at the neck of the truth.
anyway thanks for calling us baggers, but again as jonboy says, these baggers are the guyz making business for you and giving you money. so i wont call em baggers cuz if its not for them you would ve been a bagger.
you IMEI guyz are asking for astaggering 74 E to unlock well i have to mention that T-mobile unlocked my MDA pro for 70 euros which is still 4euros less than what you asked + i dotn have to send it all the way to another country or stuff.
again thanks dear brother for insulting the forum and its people.
best regards
shady

florin_m said:
I think you forgot something US (imei-check):
We killed JFK, we are green and we come from Mars. Somewhere on other forum I saw that someone says that we like to collect the MDA PRO's. Yes we love to swim in them . We are aliens and we like that.
These declarations are as true as your conspiracy theory.
WE HAVE NO connection with HTC or any other manufacture or operator. We are just a bunch of programmers which like to work till late not to stay and see if anyone comes with anything for free for us.
This forum should be called Warez and freeware searchers since here all you can read is where to download such software and were to get such thing for free. Only a handful of people from here does developing, rest just a bunch of beggars (sorry for the previos spelling mistake, but hey I'm not a native speaker ).
Florin Mandache
Director of MIGsofT LTD (imei-check.co.uk)
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Florin, you are a fool.
'nuff said.

florin_m said:
I think you forgot something US (imei-check):
We killed JFK, we are green and we come from Mars. Somewhere on other forum I saw that someone says that we like to collect the MDA PRO's. Yes we love to swim in them . We are aliens and we like that.
Florin Mandache
Director of MIGsofT LTD (imei-check.co.uk)
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Are you really who you say you are? If you are, you must be about ten years old because that statement is so immature, not fit for a grown mature adult.
BTW, where are all the warez on this site? I haven't seen any, or am I just blind, naive or both? We all visit this forum so that we can "hack" some the system parameters of our devices to enhance them and give them "personalities" we like or prefer to have.

actually, i think this florin is just a very erogant man, i still am feeling offended that he called us beggers. do everybody really has to be a developer. well mr wiered headless brainless, when u go to a Dr to take out the permenant disease out of your head do u become a begger, when you go to psyciatrist to take the wiered erogance of your soul do u become a begger, so if you think that when u go to a pro that well help you get rid of all of these wiered stuff in your miniature nature that will make you a bagger, then we might also be considered bagger. and by the way plz when u speak to people again try to get first some schooling second learn some ethics
again lads, just think deeply if our ideas on this forum about how IMEI check got thier hands on the unlocking codes are wrong, what would piss thier boss off, hehehe if someone said soemthing thas not right about me i wouldnt really start a fight on someones wrong calims, but if he uncovered my business then ill fight to recover it back, even by insulting people heheh
best regards
shady

shadykw said:
my friend the way you answered is a hard proof that at least some of my claims have taken a byte at the neck of the truth.
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you lost me here - why you are so sure you are right just because someone responded to you? No offence, but what you said is questionable in the first place... and i simply cannot understand what has the pricing got to do with this? it can be 100 euros - so what?? WHY are you so unhappy?
and generally he was right, most people do not produce anything new for the device, the max we do is copy-paste. Its the truth - why are you complaining - what have you done?
btw, i have got nothing to do with them, never used the service and do not know anyone there in any way... so that you will not say i am from their company too, just because i have a different opinion to yours. And it will not prove that you are 100% right - i hope this is clear at least.

im sorry guyz, i aint no dectaort here and ieve never said im right i just speculated some stuff, and to be honest as i said, i have no proof, its just speculation, and im not complaining about the price the market is open, u dont like someones service, take another. and i have no offense against anybody as well i havent attacked him, it was just someone that began attacking all the forum not me only. and again, im not so sure and im not running an invistigation here buddy, and im usually dotn speak so much here in the forum, but i just dotn wanna get kicked whenever im gonna say soemthing someone is gonan call me a bagger. and yes not everybody is doign something cuz so simply not everybody is a developer, does the fact that im in another field rather than IT or software development must make me shut up and not even talk.
well guyz im sorry anyway if i attacked any body or offended anyone without intentions
again im sorry for that
best regards
shady

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shadykw said:
my friend the way you answered is a hard proof that at least some of my claims have taken a byte at the neck of the truth.
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you lost me here - why you are so sure you are right just because someone responded to you? No offence, but what you said is questionable in the first place... and i simply cannot understand what has the pricing got to do with this? it can be 100 euros - so what?? WHY are you so unhappy?
and generally he was right, most people do not produce anything new for the device, the max we do is copy-paste. Its the truth - why are you complaining - what have you done?
btw, i have got nothing to do with them, never used the service and do not know anyone there in any way... so that you will not say i am from their company too, just because i have a different opinion to yours. And it will not prove that you are 100% right - i hope this is clear at least.
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well said that man
The rest of you n00b-muppets need to shut the hell up. I've known Florin for quite some time now and back in the early days he was of great help to the Windows Mobile community and still is today. To be quite honest, he's right, the majority of you are all beggers. You all want something for nothing. Why should someone break their back to make YOU happy? What have YOU done for the community? Why should anyone spend their precious time helping YOU when all YOU do is leech information?
You want the "truth" behind imei-check? They spend alot of time working on devices to get them unlocked. Sometimes they kill the devices. Said devices cost money. Then when all the hard work is over and they start to earn a reward from their work, some jumped up little prick decides to reverse engineer the software and sell it on ebay. Thats why you have to send Universal's in to them.

I would like to react to this
that shows that there are some leaks around between HTC and its business partners and, our freiends at IMEI check, has foudn some way to access these leaks and make some money.
And please do not take this like "racism" or anything else.
HTC is a Taiwanese Company POINT ! In Taiwan China Korea (Much difficult in Japan) Money is the most important thing ! I was living Before in HK, and has often be oblige to deal with the mainland but the things is that Money can buy anything over there or allow you a lot of things. I had last year a "Weird" problem with a Taiwanese PC, Pocket PC, smartphone manufacturer. Well I was dealing for a potential of 300 Units (PC) and things were going well at the begning until... they bypass me and contacted my client to make business with them.
This is how things work there and will always work.
If you take for example Korea... nobody follow any contract, in Fact in business matter it works like this, you firs sign the contract, and then you discuss about the term of the contract. If for example you want to "punish" a Korean company you just has to force them to follow a contract (this is the worst punition for them)
Once again, there are no racism in my story I am living in Asia since a long time now, my wife is Korean/Japanese and I had the chance to live, before I met my wife, with a Chinese lady (Be quiet on this one ok )

Absolute bollocks :roll:
Did you even read the rest of the posts here or did you just read the first one and reply straight away?
How exactly does this show that there are leaks? Where's your proof? One dumbass hatches a theory and you take it as gospel :roll:

nedge2k said:
Absolute bollocks :roll:
Did you even read the rest of the posts here or did you just read the first one and reply straight away?
How exactly does this show that there are leaks? Where's your proof? One dumbass hatches a theory and you take it as gospel :roll:
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Just share experience, that all

hey guyz, again ive said there is no proof these are just speculations, and again im not a damn developer, as far as i remeber ihavent insulted anyone, would you plz choose a better language describing the people on this forum,, if you think that we are all beggars, fine dont be around us, but plz just stop this insulting. and why are my words so painfull, i just said what i though nothing more. specially that in various threads in this forum, some guyz managed to get the codes from HTC so im not totally inventing a story, i think prooving me wrong would be much easier that saying all of this, jesus why is insulting so easy

florin_m
A year ago i unlocked more than 20 phones (s100 and 9090) with imei-check's help so don't say we all beggars here.
Would there be an online service soon to unlock the MDA-PRO? Because sending your MDA to England isn't accepltable for everyone and i really need to use the service quite often.

@florin_m
hi florin,
i seriously doubt, that you've programmed an unlocker for Universal, just few days after it was released to the market.
Either you have/had:
1. engineering prototypes with certain bootloader functions opened
2. access to special service SD cards
3. bootloader passwords
4. access to IMEI/lock database
i'd say 2. or 4. is right
BTW, why do you call your company IMEI-CHECK?
Wouldn't it be more apropriate to call it unlock-programming ?
IMEI-CHECK is invoking a vision of checking IMEI against a list or such...
buzz

HTC Universal SIM Unlock

THIS IS NEW Universal Unlocking thread with a SOLUTION.
Previous topic is HERE.
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But don't forget mamaich and the others...as mentioned..
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of course,
MANY MANY MANY and MANY THANXS to:
mamaich
for his great finding, which makes this come true.
Everyone please praise mamaich!
itsme
for his wonderfull scripts and efforts put into researching
arc
for providing very special tools and interesting stuff
vijay555
for his constant support on anything
and for being my spokesman ))
machinagod
for providing usefull stuff and info
mwang
for donating Universal device to me and other support
and all of you guys for being patient )))
THANX
buzz
PS.: some kind of ehm... 'very special thanks' to v4victory )))
and to other guys, who call us begging muppets
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buzz the man
only one thing i can say....Buzz is the Man!
offcourse the others also!
donate so Buzz can buy a new centrino or something like that!!!!
OK Buzz hope to test the program as soon as possible thanks!!!!

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surinamer123 said:
only one thing i can say....Buzz is the Man!
offcourse the others also!
donate so Buzz can buy a new centrino or something like that!!!!
OK Buzz hope to test the program as soon as possible thanks!!!!
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Agree, have already donated, but a Centrino Duo would be better!

How to donate buzz-team? On His webside?

macpier said:
How to donate buzz-team? On His webside?
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buzzdev.net
There is a donate link on the page.

Centrino ?
Are you guys sure that buzz will buy a new centrino notebook with the donated money rather than spending the money on crack ?
greetz

So....
Just came back on the site and it looks like Buzz and Mamaich have hit the jackpot - however not sure on where in the trail the description of what to do is ? Looked on Buzzdev.net and doesn´t look like it´s there yet.
Buzz - will send you some money via your site when I´m back UK side (in sunny Barcelona right now)...
In the meantime - I have a business contract with Vodafone UK and as I had a German QTEC to unlock they recently offered to unlock a UK Vodafone QTEC free - they couldnt unlock a German one - so in the short term if anyone wants a UK Vodafone QTEC unlocked I´d be happy to try...Private email me if you want it done......FOC - first come first served as I can probs only get this done once.....
Cheers

Do we have a new time & date for release ?, I understand everyone has worked hard to get to this point, what is left to be done ?

Maybe
This is all just some scam to get us to donate (I know I did)...
Noooo just kidding!!!!
Looking forward to actualy use the phone of this unit!
Keep up the good work lads!
May the Schwarz be with you :wink:

If I made a statement that something would be released on a certain day, knowing that I had the whole world waiting for me I would try my best to deliver on time. And if for what ever reason it were late I certainly would not list credits, I would concentrate my efforts to the release and the first post would be a link for people to download.
The above may sound harsh but expectations have been rasied and then dropped which leads to frustration & confusion.

MobileMagic said:
If I made a statement that something would be released on a certain day, knowing that I had the whole world waiting for me I would try my best to deliver on time. And if for what ever reason it were late I certainly would not list credits, I would concentrate my efforts to the release and the first post would be a link for people to download.
The above may sound harsh but expectations have been rasied and then dropped which leads to frustration & confusion.
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Dude, lighten up, we should be grateful for Buzz & Co's efforts, and them keeping us up to date with what's happening! Give them a break (literally!)

Harsh!!, more like getting kicked in the gonads!
Some people here have been working very hard to get you this as freeware, the fact that it was delayed was inevitable due to the incompatibility issues with the laptop of the lead developer, thus, as he has mentioned, he has left it with sombody else to design the front end. Whenever outsourcing a project there are going to be delays due to teething problems. Youve got to remember that everybody involved in the development is a skilled professional who will likely have a mortgage, kids, and thus a job, this restricts the hours available for programming to a few per day, combined with the issue I mentioned above, this is likely to lead to (I would guess) at least a week of delays.
Weve all been patient until now. I know I personnaly would rather they take the time to get it done properly than to rush it and possibly turn all our phones into paperweights.
lets keep being supportive, and im sure they will deliver as soon as they can without putting undue stress on themselves and their families!

Consider how much money Microsoft put into their development, and then tell me the last time they actually reached one of their release targets?

[rumour control]
ai118: thanks for the support!
This release will happen, but given how long you guys have had to wait, I'd ask you to continue waiting quietly for a little while more... Buzz is currently coding this thing on my pc using remote desktop, with a remote connection to my Universal.
Now coding this stuff with the hardware in your hand is hard work, near impossible for most. With it in a different country, with no view or access to the phone - well, I'll leave it to your imagination, but it's not easy.
Now couple that with both of us also getting a bollocking from significant others as well, and you'll realise that when it is released, the code will be liberally splashed with our own blood I'm typing with one hand, crying baby in the other :evil:
It's unfortunate Buzz pre-announced, but he was so overjoyed when the alpha release worked, he couldn't contain himself. You guys try to be a bit calmer then him, m'kay?
It's coming, and it's one hell of an international collaboration. I hope Buzz isn't stealing my porn while he's connected And if he is, well, I was young and needed the money
It'll be days or less, but for any acts of God.
V

FYI, I am very willing to support a 'Core Duo Laptop' for Buzz drive. I am all for it. We can get some great deals in the States, especially on Dells. Of course, it would have to have an international warranty so I guess Dells are out.
I think Buzz deserves a T60p for his efforts
In the meantime, I recommend, as I have done so before that all of us support not just buzzdev.net but this site. Heck, we should even donate a few bucks to Vijay555's site.
And folks who have waited patiently for so long, can wait a bit longer, I am certain. Anyone else who has a problem with the delay can take a hike. No one is compelled to deliver on time here. Everyone does stuff on their own and it's not like they get paid for it so stop your whining and get lost.
Oh, and trexysexy, you are clearly a troll who is jealous of Buzz and mamaich, so please 'buzz off'.

monakh said:
FYI, I am very willing to support a 'Core Duo Laptop' for Buzz drive. I am all for it. We can get some great deals in the States, especially on Dells. Of course, it would have to have an international warranty so I guess Dells are out.
I think Buzz deserves a T60p for his efforts
In the meantime, I recommend, as I have done so before that all of us support not just buzzdev.net but this site. Heck, we should even donate a few bucks to Vijay555's site.
And folks who have waited patiently for so long, can wait a bit longer, I am certain. Anyone else who has a problem with the delay can take a hike. No one is compelled to deliver on time here. Everyone does stuff on their own and it's not like they get paid for it so stop your whining and get lost.
Oh, and trexysexy, you are clearly a troll who is jealous of Buzz and mamaich, so please 'buzz off'.
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monakh said:
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And folks who have waited patiently for so long, can wait a bit longer, I am certain. Anyone else who has a problem with the delay can take a hike. No one is compelled to deliver on time here. Everyone does stuff on their own and it's not like they get paid for it so stop your whining and get lost.
Oh, and trexysexy, you are clearly a troll who is jealous of Buzz and mamaich, so please 'buzz off'.
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Agree.... but how can anybody donate if the paypal option is anavailable?

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and here is the 4th dutchman
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Thanks for all your efforts Buzz, and everyone else who is making this possible.
I suspect those being critical of the delays are nothing more than Ebay scammers who rip people off by advertising an unlocking service for silly amounts of money, and are now about to lose their revenue stream... alternatively, they're people looking to make a quick buck off your hard work.
I've donated an amount equivalent to what I would have been prepared to pay for a commercial service, but I'm shocked by how few other donations there are - certainly not enough to buy a new laptop, sadly. I'd implore anyone reading this thread; if you're going to benefit from an unlocker, then you too should recompense Buzz for his hard work via the Paypal options on his website.

battletank said:
Thanks for all your efforts Buzz, and everyone else who is making this possible.
I suspect those being critical of the delays are nothing more than Ebay scammers who rip people off by advertising an unlocking service for silly amounts of money, and are now about to lose their revenue stream... alternatively, they're people looking to make a quick buck off your hard work.
I've donated an amount equivalent to what I would have been prepared to pay for a commercial service, but I'm shocked by how few other donations there are - certainly not enough to buy a new laptop, sadly. I'd implore anyone reading this thread; if you're going to benefit from an unlocker, then you too should recompense Buzz for his hard work via the Paypal options on his website.
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I live in the Eastern Europe and paypal does not accept members from my part of teh world.... :-(

Changing IMEI on HTC Devices

Hello,
Is there a way to change the imei number on an HTC device using freely available tools?
I have down-graded the ROM of my device and its no longer CID-locked.
Then I tried to use Rascal's tool (based on his post which says that you don't need credits to change IMEI), but apparently while you indeed don't need credits, you still need the dongle.
Ordering a dongle seems like a rather inconvenient method, I would have ordered his/her tool already if it was available for sale online, but a dongle seems rather odd in this time and age of purely electronic commerce.
Can aWizard, or any of the other tools available somewhere help to manually change the IMEI?
And if you're wondering WHY I need to change the IMEI:
1) I live in Turkey
2) The administration in this country decided it was better to inconvenience legitimate users of cell phones acquired abroad, rather than actually muster the resources to find and prosecute the people who really do steal, clone, and smuggle phones illegally into the country
3) This amazing administration has just shut off my phone with a 24 hour (how gracious is that!) warning
4) Being a non-paranoid person (BIG mistake for Turkey), I don't keep my purchase receipts etc., so I have no way to prove I have legally purchased this phone, except for a credit card transaction and online receipt, which they don't have the "brains" to figure out
Yes, yes - I know I need to upgrade my country. Sadly, I don't know of any other countries which would just let me immigrate into. So, if anybody here has ideas/procedures for fixing an IMEI without using commercial tools (or by using electronically delivered commercial tools), PLEASE let me know.
Oh, and next time I'm abroad, I'm FOR SURE getting a foreign line, and using that in Turkey to roam, instead of dealing with this despotic state nonsense.

u can simply check this topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54910
or use this function http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php instead of opening a new thread

Dear Raskal,
I've already read those threads, but I was looking for an electronic solution.
As I have already PMed you, I am willing to pay you $100 for a one-time solution to change my fixed IMEI so you are sure there is no risk of piracy.
I was unable to find a secure reseller to ship your physical dongle product to Turkey, therefore I am forced to seek electronic alternatives.

mimarsinan said:
Dear Raskal,
I've already read those threads, but I was looking for an electronic solution.
As I have already PMed you, I am willing to pay you $100 for a one-time solution to change my fixed IMEI so you are sure there is no risk of piracy.
I was unable to find a secure reseller to ship your physical dongle product to Turkey, therefore I am forced to seek electronic alternatives.
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u can send me payment by western union or paypal and i can send you one. 100 usd is okay for one jafwm incl dhl to turkey. it can arrive in 3-4 day after payment. But you must make sure that your device is supported and that your device is CID unlocked. If your device is cid locked it will cost 25 euro more if you can not find a free cid unlocker.

Dear Raskal,
I've already downgraded my ROM and cid-unlocked my device, as I explained the post above. In fact I've even customized the startup screen :lol: Everything but change the IMEI. The device is a Wizard and I have also used your tool - it works fine until hitting the "Write to SD Card" stage, at which point it bails out with a "check hardware" error, because the dongle is missing. So I presume the procedure works fully.
I've already responded to you in a PM, explaining I am willing to order from a guaranteed local reseller, or direct from you. I am happy to try either option.
However, I thought you might be happier too, if you pocketed the entire $100 for the tool, instead of shelling out half of that money for DHL shipping to Turkey. Honestly, that works better for me too, because I can instantly unlock my phone, AND I don't have to worry about the parcel getting stuck in customs, AND I don't wait for physical shipment. This is certainly something that would benefit both of us.
I suspect you are concerned about piracy. Well, I am a shareware developer by trade, and I understand how you feel. However I'm sure if somebody out there wants to crack JAFwm, (s)he can crack it with or without the dongle. Nothing seems uncrackable - please correct me if I am wrong, and the dongle provides you with some sort of extreme protection.
My original post here to this forum was also trying to see if there is a way to unlock this phone without paying for tools. I have tried all freely available tools and gotten nowhere, sadly. For instance one tool looked promising, but I don't have a USB-to-serial cable, so I am totally locked out of it. Getting such a cable also seems like a pretty hard-core task, at least in Turkey!
At this point, I've spent three days on this issue with zero resolution, I have been greatly inconvenienced by my phone being offline, and I just want to get it unlocked ASAP. Like I said, I am happy to pay you, and look forward to getting your response. I hope you have a reliable Turkish reseller, or are willing to ship to me direct.
And I'm sure if you consider a purely electronic solution for the future, your users will appreciate your products even more, and the promise and effect of instant gratification will surely boost your sales, offsetting any possibe damages caused by piracy. Its better to sell 100 products and lose 10 to piracy, than sell just 50 products and have no piracy, in my opinion.
Respectfully,
Mimar

Obviously Mimar has no idea of the realities of phone unlocking software! It's very cut-throat and any and all possible protection is used to defend a product against hackers :roll:
Maybe once a handset is 5+ years old perhaps?...or then again...
Richard

Competition is always cut-throat. Products don't sell because they are hard to crack, they sell because they are easy to use, and easy to buy.

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Competition is always cut-throat. Products don't sell because they are hard to crack, they sell because they are easy to use, and easy to buy.
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Not with phone unlocking. I think Raskal know's a bit more about his market than you or I ever would....his products sell becuase he offers features no-one else does and they are hard to crack - if they were easy to crack they wouldn't sell....
Usually phone unlockers ( furious boxes etc ) can cost $500 - $1000 so they are used to protecting their software via hardware. Maybe look into it further before talking about what you know little?
Richard

Richard -
Please try to keep the discussion on-topic and professional. I'm sure people visit this forum to find solutions to their problems, and not to hear what you think about how much/little others know.
Software companies sell products on the Internet that are priced far in excess of $1000, which you quoted as a high bound below. You can also find cracks for those products on most pirate sites. Having a crack for a product indicates that there is demand for it - this should not be viewed as something negative. In fact, if you cannot find a crack for a product, that usually means there isn't much demand for it.
People often send me cracks that have been released (by God knows whom) for my products, expecting me to "fix" my products so they are no longer crackable. I am always pleased to see these cracks - its concrete proof that there is solid demand for my product. And instead of spending time and resources to "fix" my products in this way, I'd rather add new features and improve usability, so the dollars I get actually make my products better, and my users happier.
Do cracks lower my sales? Absolutely not! People who don't have the money (or ethics) to buy my software won't buy it anyway. Those customers are already lost - why worry about them?
I'm still waiting to hear from Raskal about payment instructions using PayPal...if Raskal had online delivery, I would have ordered two days ago. That's money Raskal is losing on a daily basis from customers like me from all over the world, except lost customers don't usually write about their situation and explain themselves. They just walk away.

Raskal isn't a reseller, he appoints agents worldwide as the sales of his other products are so high...
And as for going off topic - looks who's talking. :evil:
$1000 for phone unlock software is the high end. As the people who use it generate $25 - $50 each time they charge a customer of course there is going to be people who want to crack it and make that money for no outlay - it isn't simply warez cracking that is the issue here like you say, it is a tool for earning large revenues, so they are more likely to protect it with hardware or any method they can - not only to protect their sales but also the sales / earning potential of those who have bought their products - once the unlocking product is free, everyone has it, and prices the people then charge end users for unlocking fall, so the people who paid a lot for it loose out. Raskal actively stops this. -
hence my explaining that your begging for a purely electronic software solution to your problem is going to fall on deaf ears. OOoooh, offer him $100! He really needs that (little) money....
'but I promise I won't let a Russian team crack the code, honest Raskal'...
yeah, he'll fall for that one. :wink:
If he sends you one directly rather than through his network of resellers he is doing you a favour. Don't be so rude and impatient - if you need it quickly perhaps contact him via his own website rather than this one?
Richard

Of course, you do realize you're hurting your own credibility by your unwarranted language and accusations, right?
I've pointed out problems in Raskal's fulfillment which are very likely hampering his sales. Why someone would want to slow his business down in this way is beyond me, but I don't call them names or try to discredit them :roll:
As for the objections you state below, which comprise the only sensible parts of your post, they do not stand up to scrutiny. Raskal could improve his sales model and sell direct to the end-user, eliminating the middlemen and dramatically increasing his profits. I have already explained why I do not consider cracking a legitimate concern.
I have no business with you, although for some reason you have appointed yourself Raskal's advocate. :lol: Forgive me if I don't indulge in more replies to you on this thread. Well, I guess my business practices give me better things to do, after all! :lol:

Well frankly I'm glad no-one is helping you with that attitude. :lol:
You have no idea about Raskal's business. I have some idea. I'm sure he's very happy the way he is without 'instant experts' such as yourself coming along and telling him how to run it.
'cracking is not a legitimate concern'.
Ok.... :roll:
I bet Raskal will be glad to know you think that too when he's deciding whether to do your software only solution.... :wink:
Richard

Chillax people.
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mimarsinan: As much as I sympathise, I don't understand why someone in Turkey doesn't just buy Raskal's unlocker and capture an enormous captive market. You can unlock all the phones you want, for whatever price you want. For that market, surely any price for his unlocker would be reasonable? Better do it before the next guy does, eh?
There are software only solutions, but AFAIK they have not been made available for legal reasons.
This is a friendly board, even if I have to beat it into you with a stick
Be nice, or the thread gets locked.
V

Hi Vijay,
Thanks for stepping in.
I have no interest in unlocking other people's phones. I just need a solution that unlocks my phone, in a timely manner. Raskal has yet to provide me with ordering instructions for his solution, and as I've already said, I'm not too excited about the shipping delay and potential problems in customs.
Are you aware of any other solutions I can try in the meantime? XDA Developers have a solution that requires a usb to serial cable, which I cannot find here either. I even studied the source code of their VB program, and tried to gather the same data from the device ROM using EXEs that ship with aWizard...but either the addresses are wrong in the VB program for my device, or I'm missing something (quite likely).
I appreciate any and all assistance you can provide in this regard - I just want this phone unlocked, I don't mind paying for it, but while I'm waiting for a response from the dealer, I'll keep trying to figure a way on my own. That way at least if I come up with something, I can give it back to the community

I will pay up to $1,500 for the development of a free IMEI restore tool under GNU/GPL.
Please see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=58095
for details.
Make your bid today - get paid for helping people, get paid for doing the work you love, get paid for advancing the state of freely available tools.
Note: Because this is work-for-hire, the employer assumes all legal risk associated with the project, and the employee is free from any risk of litigation. Please review the topic post for details.

mimarsinan said:
Make your bid today - get paid for helping people, get paid for doing the work you love, get paid for advancing the state of freely available tools.
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Get paid NOWHERE NEAR what you will get fined for breaking the law in whatever country you live in....
Get paid VERY LITTLE whilst you are locked up for 3 years in prison washing shirts / stampling out licence plates etc etc.
IMEI manipulation, in the UK at least, carries a 3yr prison sentence and £10,000 fine.
Richard

i have an m1000 spv, in trying to unlock the phone, i run an exe program. in doing this it changed my imei, witch has kill the phone part. i have the old, imei that was on the phone. is there a way that i !!! can change it back.
what do i need to buy to do it
sorry if i have not asked in the right part i am new to forums
PK Please help!!!!!!

Richard,
I've got to say your graphic descriptions of the "hard prison life" are very rich. Just wanted to ask you some questions, so I can better understand what's involved here. Obviously you know a lot more than I do.
First, a backgrounder; obviously your good buddy Raskal has already built a working solution, he even SELLS it for PROFIT, so surely, not only is he in jail by now (assuming you're being serious in your post), he's also suffering a really bad penalty since he made profit from this illegal venture.
So, how many years does Raskal have left on his 3 year sentence?
Did you see one of the license plates that he has made so far?
Or is he washing shirts, ironing them instead?
Did Raskal pay his 10,000 fine yet? Did he still have a profit remaining after paying that? Has he sold enough dongles to cover his 3 years in jail? Maybe if he had electronically sold his product?
These are just some questions so our readers can put into better context your defamation of my posts.
You obviously have some sort of commercial interest to protect - why else would you be bothering people who have nothing other than good intentions in mind, with a non-commercial project on top of that?
I have posted an interesting project, called for developers, and even offered payment for their time. I'm really sorry if that hurts your commercial interests, but you don't really have many options at this point:
o You can walk away, swallowing your pride
o You can try to improve the fulfillment process for your buddy's tools, so interest in this free project lessens
o You can continue defaming, bringing in more eyeballs to our case
Given your history, I'm pretty sure you won't be swallowing your pride and walking away. Careful - anything else hurts you even more.

'Given my history'? What a knob you are! Anyone in sales is bound to have people *****ing, and the only problems I have are with items that go abroad....hmmm, funny that.
http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=fluffcat1&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS
There's my ebay reputation - unique feedback - 1895, total positive - 2455, negative - 8.
Eight negative. Out of 2455. Makes me a crook does it? Winker.
You're the one making yourself look petty bringing up other threads you have no knowledge about and mentioning reputations - I have tried to help those people who have thrown it back at me so screw 'em - and it has no bearing on my comments on your actions in this thread despite you thinking it affects my 'reputation' - how can my fair comment 'hurts me even more.'? . How very pathetic of you.
You are the one who has made it personal, attacking both Raskal and I with no basis other than that he will not subvert his distribution process and cut out his middlemen just for you because you ewant him to, or write a special application just for you, and that I do not agree with you. It's no surprise no one wants to help you. This project is doomed frankly.
I have bought 1 jafWM from a UK reseller. I have had 2 email corresspondance with Raskal when the unlocking was first launched for jafWM ( it didn't do it out of the box) and I know a little of the unlocking industry and how it works.
jafWM is not aimed at 'hobbyist' phone unlockers or those who want to use it once or twice - it is a solution designed to make phone flashing ( and now unlocking) quick and painless for those not used to flashing HTC devices i.e market stall unlockers etc, and compared to some other devices it is relatively inexpensive. It is cheap as the device out of the box will not do anything other than flash files overriding CID, unlcoking needs a server credit at a cost of €25 IIRC.
If you wanted to flash your Nokia, would you pay € 500 for a furious box that could also change the IMEI? No. You'd get someone else with the box to do it...
Raskal actively promotes the free solutions for one-off unlocking use, and supports this site, but jafWM is desgned to save time and make flashing easier without reg edits etc to save time FOR THE PROFESSIONAL.
I have nothing to do with Raskal and no revenue to protect as you claim, I am merely stating my opinion to counter your ridiculus posts slagging him and other 'commercial' solutions.
IMEI manipulation is illlegal in most European countries. Raskal is not in a european country. The fact his device can do this does not render having it illegal. Using it to manipulate IMEI's is illegal, possession is not. It's his risk to develop the tool, but as all the other products he makes and sells for 'normal' phones can manipulate 'corrupt' IMEI's ( a handy euphemism) he obviously doesn't care as no-one has bothered him yet.
You say removing sim locks is illegal - IT ISN'T - it is perfectly legal and absolutley nothing to do with IMEI changing. You're just showing your lack of understanding of what you are talking about.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/20020031.htm
"1 Re-programming mobile telephone etc.
(1) A person commits an offence if-
(a) he changes a unique device identifier, or
(b) he interferes with the operation of a unique device identifier.
(2) A unique device identifier is an electronic equipment identifier which is unique to a mobile wireless communications device.
(3) But a person does not commit an offence under this section if-
(a) he is the manufacturer of the device, or
(b) he does the act mentioned in subsection (1) with the written consent of the manufacturer of the device.
(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable-
(a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to both, or
(b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to a fine or to both.
2 Possession or supply of anything for re-programming purposes
(1) A person commits an offence if-
(a) he has in his custody or under his control anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b) he intends to use the thing unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
(2) A person commits an offence if-
(a) he supplies anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b) he knows or believes that the person to whom the thing is supplied intends to use it unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
(3) A person commits an offence if-
(a) he offers to supply anything which may be used for the purpose of changing or interfering with the operation of a unique device identifier, and
(b) he knows or believes that the person to whom the thing is offered intends if it is supplied to him to use it unlawfully for that purpose or to allow it to be used unlawfully for that purpose.
(4) A unique device identifier is an electronic equipment identifier which is unique to a mobile wireless communications device.
(5) A thing is used by a person unlawfully for a purpose if in using it for that purpose he commits an offence under section 1.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable-
(a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to both, or
(b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to a fine or to both. "
Changing the IMEI to disguise the origin of a phone is illegal in the UK and most other european countries that I have looked into.
Your developers should go into this with their eyes open - they are producing a tool to commit an offence which has severe penalities in this country and others to deter mobile phone theft. If they can in any way be traced by IP / bank account / registration etc then they should be wary.
How do they know you aren't just bait from law enforcement to get the underground hackers prosecuted? Look how many posts you have made - most are begging for a software IMEI changer - there are already free software unlockers for the wizard.
p.s when I bought jafWM it couldn't unlock phones or 'repair' IMEIs so as I haven't updated my software I am not committing any offence, and it is not jafWM's primary purpose although it is sure to drive sales ;-)
Richard

mimarsinan said:
Well, I am a shareware developer by trade,...
Respectfully,
Mimar
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just forgot your home page, can you say me again where it was?

How to make the site better

I have been on xda for a little over a year. It is the site I come to first for anything. The minds at work here have helped me make my Evo the fantastic old school device it is now. But my friends and I have came to the conclusion that there is a LOT of arguing and bickering. It seems to be an issue.
My suggestion? Keep the site as is. Access can stay the same. But only allow people that pay, say .99 xda enrollment fee, to be able to download and/post. Make it just as readable as it currently is. Allow the trolls to read posts and hate quietly. Leave it to the people that are here for development or modifications. It should trim down a lot of the general crybabies and arguementative people. They will still be there, but not as many, and either way xda as a whole wins. At .99 a memeber you would be able to enjoy such downloads as apks, posting about topics, etc.

That would probably be a great way to drive of devs from this site. Going to make them pay to post, make people pay to get their roms apps etc. They could go to different sites or open their own, which is what would happen
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Pay to post? I mean I knew this was going to be a horrible idea from the title, but I didn't expect "Don't let anyone post unless they pay!"

I don't think so. Lots of people pay .99 for so silly app all the time. I'm merely making a suggestion to help clear the clutter. If u haven't notice, some devs have already left...due to bickering. Whining. I know of countless people who would gladly come to a little more refined site. And no, a paid membership would keep all the trash out but it definitely would cut it down.
To ad to this, please moderators or devs please don't take offense to this post. I love xda. This is a great site. I felt I came to the right forum w a decent idea. I do not expect this idea implemented but I feel as though it shouldn't be discarded but at least looked into. I understand the size of this site and am not looking to disrespect any member of this board. But I would gladly pay for a little exclusivity if it meant in the long run that the social a developmental needs were being better met.

TheNetwork said:
Pay to post? I mean I knew this was going to be a horrible idea from the title, but I didn't expect "Don't let anyone post unless they pay!"
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It would be as a membership fee. Pay to post is all you have read? Haha. I've watched people buy apps for $2 and never use them. You say .99 is too much? Maybe its xda that's all too glad to accept everyone when in truth that's not always the right approach due to abusers of privilege. Most paid just for xda premium unless they ripped it of some site. I have accrued way more than .99 worth of knowledge. This is simply food for thought. Its not really about money. My idea just seemed simple and an extremely easy way to solve many mild issues. I can deal with it as free is great for me. But I personally would be more than willing to, due to the resources xda offers alone is enough.

While this isnt the worst idea I've ever heard I do think its a little extreme.
In my opinion the best way to deal with these problem users is for diligent and well intentioned members such as yourselves to make full use of the report post function and let us deal with any issues that might arise.
I also think that there needs to be a little understanding of the fact that this is the internet and it is crawling with trolls....
We will deal with problematic users but we need your help and for people to understand that although we endeavour to deal with any situation as quickly as possible, we simply cannot catch every little thing right there and then.
Also, if you see a member who is clearly out to cause drama and controversy...
Dont feed the troll. If everyone made more of an effort to simply ignore these idiots then they'd get bored pretty quickly...
In the words of the prophets Bill & Ted....
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What about minors who use this site (like me) ?
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I appreciate the earnest response. I just thought I would bring this up.
I'm not age discriminate, as I am only 30.
I definitely try not to fuel the trolls. I also see this site to be a place that prides itself on being open. So, I can let it go. Glad I at least was able to rant a little haha.

stkiswr said:
I appreciate the earnest response. I just thought I would bring this up.
I'm not age discriminate, as I am only 30.
I definitely try not to fuel the trolls. I also see this site to be a place that prides itself on being open. So, I can let it go. Glad I at least was able to rant a little haha.
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Hehehe I'm glad that you can suppress your anger.....
I will fail on that
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What do u wanna make for tis?

I think that is horrible idea and i would definetly leave xda then.
Think about the minors and people with no credit cards!
Just my opinion
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Lol ^ what would the minors do that own smart phones and no debit cards. Haha what are you on wic?
Edit: this comment is not directed nor intended to offend people on wic. But if you have a smartphone and no debit card of any sort then you
A) live w your parents
B) sell lots of drugs and banks aren't of interest
C) form your own opinion about a and b and get back to me

yes i agree 100% that this is a bad idea xda has always been about promoting open source if u make people pay to use the site then it would be one of the most contradicting things ive ever seen.
Also as compared to other website like ppcgeeks and android forums xda is far more organized and set up better i think its just fine the way it is.
on another note when i read the title u came of as a troll right away u might want to reward that a little.

That's funny. Well, none of it was meant to be taken any wrong way. Merely a suggestion. That's what the forums are here for.
Like it or not my idea will never come to fruition but I still would gladly pay. Anyone that argues or complains or suggests its outrageous should look at how much knowledge is worth.
We will all have our own ideas and opinions and in the end .99 isn't **** to be a member of an elite site such as xda. Which I will gladly accept and enjoy my free membership. And if it ever were to change, I wouldn't complain one bit

If trying to come up with a creative solution is considered being a troll then I think about 100% of users on this site fall in that category. Maybe have a 3 strike and your banned policy if you get reported for unruly behavior 3 times then boom access denied! That might make folks think twice before bashing someone who is just trying to learn.

mad96 said:
If trying to come up with a creative solution is considered being a troll then I think about 100% of users on this site fall in that category. Maybe have a 3 strike and your banned policy if you get reported for unruly behavior 3 times then boom access denied! That might make folks think twice before bashing someone who is just trying to learn.
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Good idea . But what if:
-Trolls report you and you got banned ?
-Members who register just to report everyone ?
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stkiswr said:
Lol ^ what would the minors do that own smart phones and no debit cards. Haha what are you on wic?
Edit: this comment is not directed nor intended to offend people on wic. But if you have a smartphone and no debit card of any sort then you
A) live w your parents
B) sell lots of drugs and banks aren't of interest
C) form your own opinion about a and b and get back to me
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agreed. You can get prepaid credit cards for free now. Just go to the local grocery store.
I actually wouldn't mind this, the same way I don't mind paying for my apps or my mediafire acct. I don't think 10 bucks a year registration fee would be unreasonable.
But it would never happen for the reasons already listed. Open source might be free, but the devices are not, and people don't seem to mind dropping 600 bucks on the next latest and greatest.
As a side note for the minors, I have actually considered getting my kids prepaid debit cards that are reloadable for their allowance. It's a digital age. People that still write checks at walmart drive me crazy. They are processed as a debit and given right back!!!

More mods imo, because looking at this LIST it explains why the main two forums I've used while being a member here are such a mess.

XperienceD said:
More mods imo, because looking at this LIST it explains why the main two forums I've used while being a member here are such a mess.
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On their way....
Just finishing up in boot camp and should hit the forums very shortly.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

conantroutman said:
On their way....
Just finishing up in boot camp and should hit the forums very shortly.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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Boot camp huh. They have a boot camp to teach them how, not exactly when but how, to use the lock delete and ban buttons?
Yeah I'm a little sour. Seen to many threads locked for no reason, just as many deleted.
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The xda book, why we should pay it?

for sure you have heard about the new "XDA Developers' Android Hacker's Toolkit"
It is certainly a good idea to regroup all the forums method inside a book,wrote by hackers and geek.
the only thing I think is strange is that XDA focused on idea sharing and hacker philosopy.
So why do we have to pay for this book? It should be free, because it is not "original", all of us in some way wrote it...I don't want to pay it not because i don't want to spend money, but because I think it should respect the hacker philosopy.
what do you think?

meccaandroid said:
for sure you have heard about the new "XDA Developers' Android Hacker's Toolkit"
It is certainly a good idea to regroup all the forums method inside a book,wrote by hackers and geek.
the only thing I think is strange is that XDA focused on idea sharing and hacker philosopy.
So why do we have to pay for this book? It should be free, because it is not "original", all of us in some way wrote it...I don't want to pay it not because i don't want to spend money, but because I think it should respect the hacker philosopy.
what do you think?
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I think that XDA provide us with a great place to come and learn and share our knowledge. In order to achive this their is going to be costs and if they can make some extra money from selling a book. To then use the said money to make this service even better, i can only see it as a good thing. Also a lot of people find it easier to read from a book than a computer screen.
Edit - I have just read the portal artical, and all the profits are going to the EFF, although the money is not going directly into XDA, it will directly help and benifit XDA, as they have done in the past.
All revenue earned through purchases of the book on Amazon will be donated to the EFF, which has given assistance to members of our community in the past. It’s available in both physical and eBook formats. Without further ado, here’s where you can get it right now:
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Profits go to a good cause.
Don't want to pay, just read the forums instead.
Simple.

conantroutman said:
Profits go to a good cause.
Don't want to pay, just read the forums instead.
Simple.
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Yes the profits are going to a very good cause. And to be honest with you I don't have any problem spending the $23 USD plus tax for the book. I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with it. But you just can not please all of the people no matter how hard you try.

I ordered mine in October, 2011. After many delays (like the Galaxy S3) I received my copy from amazon on Tuesday. I will use this weekend to read it. Learn some pointers.

As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.

svetius said:
As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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Thanks for the tip, another good reason to go to the portal besides when the forums are down for maintenance.

svetius said:
As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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Thanks for the tip, i will keep an eye out for that, stay at home dad = Poor

Good things come at a price..'nuff said.