Hi,
I would like to use my Hermes as a VoIP device via WiFi. To be more precise, I want to use it seriously, not just to play around. The battery time is neglectible, server-side voip configuration and codes can be adjusted.
So far I have seen Schaps WM6.0 Rom, the Voipwm6.cab's, the voip Drivers .cab and destr0`s cab (I have also tested some overfilled Rom Images with Voip support).
My experience so far has been rather disappointing, laggy connections, no reconnecting after Wlan disconnect, lack of speech codecs. This seems surprising to me, as there are other WM6 based devices, with similiar memory and processor power, being marketed as business-VoIP devices (eg. some iPAQs). So, as far as I understand, it should be possible to enable full VoIP functionality, quality and reliability by chosing the right software.
My question:
Is somebody here using VoIP on a Hermes daily? What setup are you using, which drivers did you install? Are there WM6.1 Voip drivers availible? I do not like this mixing up of different library versions, which seems to be popular with the rom kitchens.
SKYPE MOBILE FIND IT ON THE SKYPE SITE THATS what I always use I have millions of enteries and errands to run and I have to meet political connections in other countries and I know this sounds boring but here I am and I have to use VOIP NO JOKE
since you asked.....
I fooled around with the same issue for several months. While Fring and the newest version of skype for ppc both gave good sound quality, I have given up on the issue because of an unacceptable voice delay (~0.5 ). I once thought the issue was related to my internet provider - my current opinion is that this is due windows mobile issues and inadequate processing power. Calling in to a local voip dial-in access telephone # via my hermes did NOT produce the same voice delay, nor did internet skype calling via a wifi connection from my computer. I also got the voice delay when I tried calling via a 3g/umts cellular connection and when using some Viop software found on this site. Finally, using every phone 'tweak' I could find on the internet also did not improve the voice delay, nor did different 'fast' custom ROMs improve the issue. If you/or anyone else ever solves the problem of voice delay on the hermes, I would love to know how.
I've been testing NCH Express Talk: http://www.nch.com.au/talk/index.html + this little utility that forces sound output to the earpiece: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396829
I haven't done much field testing, but the quality is much better than inbuilt VoIP, works ok over 3G and unlike Fring, the communication between you and your VoIP provider is direct.
Thanks for your replies and sharing your experiences. At least now I do not feel like a complete idiot. The strange thing is that when I tried Voip on Hermes the first times (just with VoIP.cab etc). and connecting directly to a normal provider sound quality was really good and the lag was low. Some hours later it has been bad.
As far as I am concerned, I have also tested agephone (gives you a lot of configuration options) and i will test voipsurfer (uses iax) a bit more as soon as i find some time.
I will not give up now. Among other things I want to look at the network settings of the Hermes (packet size etc.) and test with a lot of free memory.
I am going to keep this thread updated, as soon as I find out more.
Tremere, thanks for the nch hint. The program gave me a warning about my network setup, which may lead to one-way or lagged audio. Hmm...
Voip
Download fring from yr htc install it and insert yr voip account.
It works like charm.
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Tremere, thanks for the nch hint. The program gave me a warning about my network setup, which may lead to one-way or lagged audio. Hmm...
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I got around the warning by setting up port forwarding on my router. The audio is fine, both directions work, but the lag is still not acceptable.
I bought a Hermes (8525) about 2 weeks ago and have been trying out different voip methods. Here's my bit:
Skype
+Keeps phone from sleeping so you can always be logged in
+Best sound quality from the ways I've tried
+Very cheap rates for US calls and DID
-Very unstable on my device. I constantly have to soft reset when skype runs
-Skype contacts separate from Hermes contacts
-Speakerphone used by default, which causes bad echoing. Torca2 works to route sound to earpiece, but awkward to start/stop. I haven't managed to get audioswitch to work, which would sort things out.
-Must use +1 on calls, and the + is obnoxious to get to
Fring (with skype)
+More stable, and I can use gmail chat!
+Smoother interface (for me) than skype
-Short to medium delay, enough to be a deal-breaker
-Doesn't stop device from sleeping, so calls in don't work
-Fring contacts separate from Hermes contacts
SIP with Home Asterisk/Sisky-Skype Server
+More control over detailed options
+When at home, great call quality with little delay
+WM6 has built in voip support
+Phone automatically logs into wifi networks and connects back to my home server very well, displays status on today screen
+Hermes contacts dial using voip when available
+Easy to build on and add more phones (mobile and landlines) to the system
-Good quality but bad delay (so far) when connecting remotely through the internet
-Tricky to get set up from scratch
-Requires at least one dedicated server, preferably two
-Sisky enterprise software is proprietary ($60, free 30-day trial)
-Voip stops when the device is in standby. There are supposed to be ways around this but at the cost of battery life. Still testing...
I'm going to try the voip with voipbuster or another provider... but that's next weekend. I'm hoping my home asterisk server pans out, but there's a lot of configurations to learn and perfect.
Here's the link for torca2 again
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396829
And audioswitch, which would be a gem if it worked on the hermes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469223
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It can be found at the following URL. Its dated 19/06/06
http://t-mobile.iris-global.com/download_manager_mda_pro.html
duhuh
HI
is it good to upgrde the jasjar and is it support arabic language
Has anyone installed this rom any feedback, What are the rom details is it different from the previous one.
wassa said:
It can be found at the following URL. Its dated 19/06/06
http://t-mobile.iris-global.com/download_manager_mda_pro.html
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It is'nt a new rom, T-mobile UK 1.30.114, date:18.04.2006.
this rom not support arabic at all
I installed this ROM few weeks ago and so far the best one. I had before QTEK one and EXEC, but this one is the best.
I have installed the new T-Mobile rom this evening with no problems... having re-synced with mail2web, I was able to immediately use push email and a2dp and wireless headset profiles (via a motorola h820 headset).
a2dp was satisfactory - audio quality wasn't perfect but acceptable, although there was occasional break-up (albeit I was walking around at the time) - I'll need to test this a bit more thoroughly to see if it's a realistic alternative to a wired mp3 player.
There are a few cosmetic changes to the t-mobile ui and a couple of additional apps also - sapsettings for remote sim management via bt (had not seen this before) and commmanager for managing phone, wifi, bluetooth, activesync, and pushemail via microsoft directpush.
The battery icon has also been moved to the startbar!
Perfomance seems to be improved also compared with the previous t-mobile firmware.
i tried to upgrade my jasjar but i could not so could you please explaint to me the ways to upgrsde my jasjar
thanks
new rom
Hi there,Is it on english or German?
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I have installed the new T-Mobile rom this evening with no problems... having re-synced with mail2web, I was able to immediately use push email and a2dp and wireless headset profiles (via a motorola h820 headset).
a2dp was satisfactory - audio quality wasn't perfect but acceptable, although there was occasional break-up (albeit I was walking around at the time) - I'll need to test this a bit more thoroughly to see if it's a realistic alternative to a wired mp3 player.
There are a few cosmetic changes to the t-mobile ui and a couple of additional apps also - sapsettings for remote sim management via bt (had not seen this before) and commmanager for managing phone, wifi, bluetooth, activesync, and pushemail via microsoft directpush.
The battery icon has also been moved to the startbar!
Perfomance seems to be improved also compared with the previous t-mobile firmware.
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Does the "mail2web.com Free Exchange" http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/m2wLive/ product work with Microsoft's push functionality?
Slave1 said:
CyRUS- said:
I have installed the new T-Mobile rom this evening with no problems... having re-synced with mail2web, I was able to immediately use push email and a2dp and wireless headset profiles (via a motorola h820 headset).
a2dp was satisfactory - audio quality wasn't perfect but acceptable, although there was occasional break-up (albeit I was walking around at the time) - I'll need to test this a bit more thoroughly to see if it's a realistic alternative to a wired mp3 player.
There are a few cosmetic changes to the t-mobile ui and a couple of additional apps also - sapsettings for remote sim management via bt (had not seen this before) and commmanager for managing phone, wifi, bluetooth, activesync, and pushemail via microsoft directpush.
The battery icon has also been moved to the startbar!
Perfomance seems to be improved also compared with the previous t-mobile firmware.
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Does the "mail2web.com Free Exchange" http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/m2wLive/ product work with Microsoft's push functionality?
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As far as I can tell it does - I'm using the free mail2web exchange service and push email appears to be working fine using the default (ms push) settings...
As a further update to my experiences with the rom, I am very happy with the slight (but noticeable) performance boost, and the upgraded firmware has improve the phone / bt headset's ability to connect on-the-fly - ie: now I can just turn on the bt headset and the phone will automatically connect, whereas previously I had some problems reconnecting the two...
The only downside is I have experienced the occasional random freeze, requiring a soft reset - I have not installed additional apps under the new firmware yet either. (but i did let it install all the t-mobile extended rom stuff)
I've upgraded and thought I'd share my experiences as I reconfigure the device:
I went from R: 1.06.00 / G:42.40.P8 / D:1.20.32.WWE
to: R: 1.10.03 / G:42.44.P8 / D:1.30.114.WWE
1) for those that plan to upgrade in the hope of getting a better signal - DON'T. So far the signal is just as bad as it used to be, in the same conditions it's sometime even worse.
2) the only file I had to fish out the extended rom so far is PP_TMUK_conn_uni_130149.CAB. - the internet connection settings
3) sync was not happening until I reset the settings on both the desktop AND the device - something that would catch 'newbie' user by surprise.
4) There are few changes to the GUI, but it's mostly cosmetics. The icons are slightly different, the connection manager got a nice revamp.
5) There are very few application changes, at least not that I could notice, apart from a wireless connection manager on the today screen.
6) The extended rom folder contains all sorts of new and updated files, none of which I ran, but it would be nice to document those somehow.
7) Ram stats are as follow upon first reboot: storage: 43.50 total, 5.44 used, 38.06 free / programs 49.70 total, 18.55 used, 31.15 free
Overall I'm not sure if I'd recommend that upgrade - it doesn't seem to bring anything to the table.
UPDATE 27-07
8) There is indeed, as other have reported, a performance improvement in this release. It isn't 400% faster, but it definitely feel 'snappier'.
9) Call 'quality' has improved, meaning that with a good signal you'll hear 'better' sound than on the previour ROM, however signal quality as mentionned above stays very poor.
More to come as I test it some more...
At the beginning starting of programm switches off device, when says "device no connected" :roll: Current ROM installed Qtek 1.30.77WWE. PU10 At last device was killed and reupgraded by previous Qtek upgrading via bootloader screen only. Was very funny!
Hi, I'm looking at the various WM6 releases and I'm trying to understand how much functionality for VoIP exists in these ROMS, and what is required to get it working.
From the various reviews on WM6, when Internet Calling is correctly installed it seems to appear as an additional "Internet" tab under phone settings as well as being integrated with the WM6 dialer. I also belive that MS also provides additional hooks for developers (such as dialing third party dialer from Contexts with SIP dial strings).
Looking at the XDA Live version (screen shots only as I'm running a different ROM), it looks like it has the "Internet" tab under Phone Settings for Internet Calling, although people have indicated the functionality is not working. Is this a dialer integration issue then?
I have the LVSW ROM running on my Hermes (great ROM BTW ) and I don't even get the "Internet" tab.
So:
- Can anybody upload the standalone related components such as VoIP.cab, WM6 dialer (not just the skins) along with corresponding registry settings to switch to the correct dialer.
Update: Found the VoIP cab in FTP, was only recently added. still looking for additional info
- Is there any additional info/posts/sites/wiki that can shed more information on this?
At the moment I'm using a thirdparty SIP application that works well, but it has poor integeration with the OS. I've tried other SIP apps.
On the same thread, has anybody tried the dialer/SIP by BeWIP?
Update: Also saw this thread over on the Wizard forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290786
Update: Another interesting thread about updating CommManager
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296001
patience.... patience....
well, I think this thread might be a good thread to collect information on this topic.
I would also like to have Internet (SIP) calling from WM6
I currently use SjPhone and it is fine but it really has no integration with the OS.
So the greatest addition of WM6 voip calling feature would be integration.
However, it should be highly customizable (sip server selection, codec selection etc.)
Can we make this thread sticky ? I think Golfman has collected some important links under his post.
Have you guys tested Skype? I did and it worked quite all right.
Prerna said:
Have you guys tested Skype? I did and it worked quite all right.
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Skype is Voip but not SIP. Some of us would love a nicely integrated SIP client.
I'm using Skype and X-Pro now, but i would prefer a real built-in SIP Client.
Perhaps it isn't that hard to get it running...
I also use Octrotalk. That's googletalk for WM5
It really works fine with voice.
But that's not SIP again.
We really miss an integrated sip client which can be customizable like SJphone.
Perhaps a sticky thread on this issue would help us but no one makes that.
Sleuth... you not sharing something you found?
I'm curious about something.
The one thing I don't like about Skype is because it doesn't allow me to use my bt headset. Now this VOIP that would be intergrated in wm6 does anyone know if it will let you use bt headset like with regular phone calls?
I mean is this basicly like Skype where you can make free phone calls? If you have unlimited data of course..
Just curious
Skype and misc VoIP...
I run X-Pro at the moment as my SIP client, I used SJPhone and had to do some tweaking to stop the voice jitter - XPro just seems to work better.
On WM6 and "Internet Calling", I've tried some of the xml settings but no dice at the moment - I've not enough time to really go through the M$ docs its a bit of a paper blizzard.
I'm personally not a fan of Skype for several reasons.
-READ THE SMALL PRINT OF THE EULA, ESPECIALLY REGARDING BEING MADE A SUPERNODE
- Its a closed protocol
- Only allows single session
I like SIP, however it does have some NAT issues
One thing that I was disappointed when I got my Hermes phone and I'm not sure if anybody can come up with a solution. Once the phone goes into standby, the Wi-Fi radio turns off to save power. Therefore unless a SIP call is coming in on a Cellular data-plan, the SIP client only works when you want to make a call - would be nice if the built in WM6 client had true radio integration, it might just not be possible unless you want a dead battery real fast.
I was hoping to be able to use my Cell Phone as a cordless in the house (connecting to my SIP server in the house). Dedicated SIP Wi-Fi phones are still way to expensieve.
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Hi, I'm looking at the various WM6 releases and I'm trying to understand how much functionality for VoIP exists in these ROMS, and what is required to get it working.
From the various reviews on WM6, when Internet Calling is correctly installed it seems to appear as an additional "Internet" tab under phone settings as well as being integrated with the WM6 dialer. I also belive that MS also provides additional hooks for developers (such as dialing third party dialer from Contexts with SIP dial strings).
Looking at the XDA Live version (screen shots only as I'm running a different ROM), it looks like it has the "Internet" tab under Phone Settings for Internet Calling, although people have indicated the functionality is not working. Is this a dialer integration issue then?
I have the LVSW ROM running on my Hermes (great ROM BTW ) and I don't even get the "Internet" tab.
So:
- Can anybody upload the standalone related components such as VoIP.cab, WM6 dialer (not just the skins) along with corresponding registry settings to switch to the correct dialer.
Update: Found the VoIP cab in FTP, was only recently added. still looking for additional info
- Is there any additional info/posts/sites/wiki that can shed more information on this?
At the moment I'm using a thirdparty SIP application that works well, but it has poor integeration with the OS. I've tried other SIP apps.
On the same thread, has anybody tried the dialer/SIP by BeWIP?
Update: Also saw this thread over on the Wizard forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290786
Update: Another interesting thread about updating CommManager
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296001
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You will find the solution for what you are looking for at http://cleanimport.xda/index.php?threads/299950//
--eluth.
yeah iwill like to see a nice sip client integrated in the rom
Works
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596682
great cabs
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596682
Hello,
I'm raising big hopes about the scheduled WM6 upgrade (i'm waiting for the official one, not t-mobile's or russian one) but in the meantime, do you know if there is an working SIP client for my s620 ?
By working, i mean that the audio is correctly routed, I don't want to use an headset.
I've tried fring, skype, bewip, gosip. I don't mind purchasing a piece of software if it work well.
Thanks
as much as i know.. the very best (for the moment) is skype..
and the headset i think it is not big deal to use..
just my opinion..
Oh, pick me! I know the answer! Me! Me! Me!
Well, if you wanna go proprietary, Skype'll do the job. But you want SIP, so that puts Skype right out. The correct answer was Fring™. Fring is a free MSN/ICQ/Skype/SIP client that claims to operate over WiFi and GPRS. I've only tested it over WiFi, and I'm doubtful that GPRS will be enough to make it work right (EDGE, maybe). Thankfully, Fring™ is free, and all you have to do is go to their web site. The entire process can even be done on your phone.
I could never get the WM6 Internet Calling app to work. Others have reported that the connection drops (although the wi-fi connection is still up) after 15 minutes. Another user and myself had the same config (aside from username/password and phone number), his worked, mine didn't.
I installed Fring and its SIP client worked as advertised. Can connect to any voip provider.
(But didn't like the fact I had to create a Fring account even if not planning to use it)
Greg530 said:
I installed Fring and its SIP client worked as advertised. Can connect to any voip provider.
(But didn't like the fact I had to create a Fring account even if not planning to use it)
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Yes, but the fact I can't have sound from earpiece is a problem...
As some of you may know, VOIP is possible with our phone, but require a VOIP cab, and editing a file to enter the SIP settings. Or, alternatively, there are a few applications out there like Skype, or Fring.
But the universal problem for all implementations thus far is that they all route the sound out the speaker on the back of our phone!
Today I came across BT Total Broadband Anywhere: http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=24561
This service clearly uses VOIP!
Obviously BT has fixed this problem! So two questions:
Could any of the ROM hackers here extract the fix for the rest of us to use?
Can a BT user with this service test Skype and see if the speaker problem exists?
Thanks!
sirix3 said:
As some of you may know, VOIP is possible with our phone, but require a VOIP cab, and editing a file to enter the SIP settings. Or, alternatively, there are a few applications out there like Skype, or Fring.
But the universal problem for all implementations thus far is that they all route the sound out the speaker on the back of our phone!
Today I came across BT Total Broadband Anywhere: http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=24561
This service clearly uses VOIP!
Obviously BT has fixed this problem! So two questions:
Could any of the ROM hackers here extract the fix for the rest of us to use?
Can a BT user with this service test Skype and see if the speaker problem exists?
Thanks!
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BT Voice over internet is lame, you can hardly hear people, it cut's out during calls etc.
I have just reset my phone from BT due to bad programming on BT's behalf, so no voip i can live without, battery life was lame 2.
Yeah, but those issues may just be with BT's implementation of VOIP. Can you remember if when you were on a voip call the sound was correctly routed through the earpiece? our longstanding issue is that the sound was coming out of the back of hte phone (speaker) and thus voip caloing was useless in public places.
sirix3 said:
Yeah, but those issues may just be with BT's implementation of VOIP. Can you remember if when you were on a voip call the sound was correctly routed through the earpiece? our longstanding issue is that the sound was coming out of the back of hte phone (speaker) and thus voip caloing was useless in public places.
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It was proper routed through the earpiece.
With AGEphone Mobile 2 Speakerphone Edition there is no need to worry about this in the long run: We are planning to add support for the internal speaker to all relevant devices!
Hi, I, plus many others, would like a VOIP solution that works.
I know some say there is a VOIP that is built into many ROMs but I have had about 10 devices, starting with the XDAII that I have never gotten to work here in the USA.
Yes, I have tried http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950 and the gOD Shaun33 SipConfigTool_2_0_1.CAB and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=574521... And many hours of searching...
I would install SipConfigTool_2_0_1.CAB & WM6VoIP.CAB & even SecondToday.CAB on roms with different Today skins.. (Touch Flow or whatever)...
On all roms, the today plug in "Internet calling" would not show.
I think the verizon and sprint must have sabotaged the possibility of VOIP or something.
I also have read that when people did get it to work, it would not work with their BT headsets and OR would produce sound out of the speakerphone and not the normal speaker.
Here is what I want.
I want the ability to switch between regular cell calls and VOIP.
A simple file edit or GUI like the gOD Shaun33 SipConfigTool_2_0_1.CAB
Can be switched from VOIP over WIFI or VOIP over reg cell data or reg cell phone via a button or a Today plug in..
To be able to use my Blue tooth headset.
Not use a third party app,, just the default - built in phone dialer so the ringing and other stuff.
NOR a third party app that does not slow things down, activate your WIFI.. (like fring) and that wakes your phone up for a call, yet allows it to sleep to save on battery life.
Hell everyone is doing VOIP now days, especially with the Windows based VOIP server that will even run on Windows XP. www.3CX.com .... Its free.. We use it at my business with a laptop or desktop and the 3CX softphone. To make it the best thing ever, we use a BUA-100 Plantronics BT USB device and a www.JAWBONE.com and the quality is the best thing out there and you can answer and hang up by a click on the side of the BT headset, just like your cell phone, so you can keep your hands free and not have to sit by your computer.
Asterisk is another.
Now to put that coolness into a cell phone that would go out over the hi speed wireless or WIFI, THAT would be the FRICKEN COOLEST!
I would pay $150 and I think there is MANY people who will donate money too.