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Getting VoIP working for WM6 cooked ROMS

Hi, I'm looking at the various WM6 releases and I'm trying to understand how much functionality for VoIP exists in these ROMS, and what is required to get it working.
From the various reviews on WM6, when Internet Calling is correctly installed it seems to appear as an additional "Internet" tab under phone settings as well as being integrated with the WM6 dialer. I also belive that MS also provides additional hooks for developers (such as dialing third party dialer from Contexts with SIP dial strings).
Looking at the XDA Live version (screen shots only as I'm running a different ROM), it looks like it has the "Internet" tab under Phone Settings for Internet Calling, although people have indicated the functionality is not working. Is this a dialer integration issue then?
I have the LVSW ROM running on my Hermes (great ROM BTW ) and I don't even get the "Internet" tab.
So:
- Can anybody upload the standalone related components such as VoIP.cab, WM6 dialer (not just the skins) along with corresponding registry settings to switch to the correct dialer.
Update: Found the VoIP cab in FTP, was only recently added. still looking for additional info
- Is there any additional info/posts/sites/wiki that can shed more information on this?
At the moment I'm using a thirdparty SIP application that works well, but it has poor integeration with the OS. I've tried other SIP apps.
On the same thread, has anybody tried the dialer/SIP by BeWIP?
Update: Also saw this thread over on the Wizard forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290786
Update: Another interesting thread about updating CommManager
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296001

patience.... patience....

well, I think this thread might be a good thread to collect information on this topic.
I would also like to have Internet (SIP) calling from WM6
I currently use SjPhone and it is fine but it really has no integration with the OS.
So the greatest addition of WM6 voip calling feature would be integration.
However, it should be highly customizable (sip server selection, codec selection etc.)
Can we make this thread sticky ? I think Golfman has collected some important links under his post.

Have you guys tested Skype? I did and it worked quite all right.

Prerna said:
Have you guys tested Skype? I did and it worked quite all right.
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Skype is Voip but not SIP. Some of us would love a nicely integrated SIP client.

I'm using Skype and X-Pro now, but i would prefer a real built-in SIP Client.
Perhaps it isn't that hard to get it running...

I also use Octrotalk. That's googletalk for WM5
It really works fine with voice.
But that's not SIP again.
We really miss an integrated sip client which can be customizable like SJphone.
Perhaps a sticky thread on this issue would help us but no one makes that.

Sleuth... you not sharing something you found?

I'm curious about something.
The one thing I don't like about Skype is because it doesn't allow me to use my bt headset. Now this VOIP that would be intergrated in wm6 does anyone know if it will let you use bt headset like with regular phone calls?
I mean is this basicly like Skype where you can make free phone calls? If you have unlimited data of course..
Just curious

Skype and misc VoIP...
I run X-Pro at the moment as my SIP client, I used SJPhone and had to do some tweaking to stop the voice jitter - XPro just seems to work better.
On WM6 and "Internet Calling", I've tried some of the xml settings but no dice at the moment - I've not enough time to really go through the M$ docs its a bit of a paper blizzard.
I'm personally not a fan of Skype for several reasons.
-READ THE SMALL PRINT OF THE EULA, ESPECIALLY REGARDING BEING MADE A SUPERNODE
- Its a closed protocol
- Only allows single session
I like SIP, however it does have some NAT issues
One thing that I was disappointed when I got my Hermes phone and I'm not sure if anybody can come up with a solution. Once the phone goes into standby, the Wi-Fi radio turns off to save power. Therefore unless a SIP call is coming in on a Cellular data-plan, the SIP client only works when you want to make a call - would be nice if the built in WM6 client had true radio integration, it might just not be possible unless you want a dead battery real fast.
I was hoping to be able to use my Cell Phone as a cordless in the house (connecting to my SIP server in the house). Dedicated SIP Wi-Fi phones are still way to expensieve.

Golfman said:
Hi, I'm looking at the various WM6 releases and I'm trying to understand how much functionality for VoIP exists in these ROMS, and what is required to get it working.
From the various reviews on WM6, when Internet Calling is correctly installed it seems to appear as an additional "Internet" tab under phone settings as well as being integrated with the WM6 dialer. I also belive that MS also provides additional hooks for developers (such as dialing third party dialer from Contexts with SIP dial strings).
Looking at the XDA Live version (screen shots only as I'm running a different ROM), it looks like it has the "Internet" tab under Phone Settings for Internet Calling, although people have indicated the functionality is not working. Is this a dialer integration issue then?
I have the LVSW ROM running on my Hermes (great ROM BTW ) and I don't even get the "Internet" tab.
So:
- Can anybody upload the standalone related components such as VoIP.cab, WM6 dialer (not just the skins) along with corresponding registry settings to switch to the correct dialer.
Update: Found the VoIP cab in FTP, was only recently added. still looking for additional info
- Is there any additional info/posts/sites/wiki that can shed more information on this?
At the moment I'm using a thirdparty SIP application that works well, but it has poor integeration with the OS. I've tried other SIP apps.
On the same thread, has anybody tried the dialer/SIP by BeWIP?
Update: Also saw this thread over on the Wizard forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290786
Update: Another interesting thread about updating CommManager
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296001
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You will find the solution for what you are looking for at http://cleanimport.xda/index.php?threads/299950//
--eluth.

yeah iwill like to see a nice sip client integrated in the rom

Works
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596682

great cabs
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596682

Which SIP ???

Hi!
Some days ago I have installed LSWS's WM6 ROM (2.0.1.1) + RADIO 1.41 to my P3600....perfect!
Now, how (using the easier way...) I can made a Phone-Call over the internet??
I must use a WiFi connection (not 3G !!) and I want call a STANDARD phone (not another voip phone!)
however....which software can I use ??
SkyPe + SkyPe Out account??
And, IF i want use the standard WM6's Phone application??
Tnks,
Axel

...please!

WengophoneMobile or Sjphone.
Bye.

XTen Softphone works ok for me.-
BR Landy.-

Well my friend use the information they have on the thread about the voip on WM6, (sorry don't remember which one but with some search you will find it...). Follow the instructions and you will get a good connection and internet calling from your dialpad. Yet this means you have to be registered with a SIP provider like voipbuster etc....
Skype also works fine, follow the instructions fro Skype site and download file for the trinity. Then install and you are set to go.
To make outgoing calls in both cases you need to have credit on the account. Also, the sound is much better through the headphones that come with the phone, I suggest to use them unless you want everyone to listen to your conversation, as in any other case the sound goes through the loudspeaker of the phone...
good luck

skype 2.2+WM6[indigo] -> doesnt work

Hi @all
Is there any way to get skype work on WM6 ?? chat works fine,adding contacts and other stuff except calling others....once U try to make a call, it starts to dial and then skype just switches off.....
any ideas??
ThX

bastic said:
Hi @all
Is there any way to get skype work on WM6 ?? chat works fine,adding contacts and other stuff except calling others....once U try to make a call, it starts to dial and then skype just switches off.....
any ideas??
ThX
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if you check the skype download page you will see that version 2.2 is not supported for trinity, it only allows limited functionality= chats only, no calls... try version 2.1

Hi guys.
All these 3 version that I'm uploading work fine on my device.
Try a softreset and also try a softreset for your router/acess point or whatever gets you online(if u use wifi).
That's what I do,because I use wifi.
Let me know if it works and try out the other versions. ;-)
http://rapidshare.com/files/52986378/SKYPE.rar

It didn't work for me on WM5 either. I was lucky to have an older version somewhere.

Hi,
since i found FRING, i never more use skype, msn or any other IM program.
whith FRING, i can use simultaneously MSN (whith calling function), Skype, ICQ and 2 more program.
link to fring: http://www.fring.com/
from fring homepage:
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fring is about bringing freedom to mobile communication
fring ™ was born from a concept of giving people the benefits of the internet combined with the user-culture of mobile telephony. Originating from a vision of freedom, fring gives you simultaneous freedom of speech and freedom of movement. Freedom to use your mobile phone to its greatest potential. Freedom to seek alternative mobile carriers. Freedom to communicate without boundaries. Freedom to enjoy your mobile independence.
fring ™ is focused on one simple target. Greater value for the individual. fring does this by harnessing the power of the internet to enable simple daily communications.
The fring ™ community is growing fast. It’s all about mobile communicators like you and me who are unhappy about being tied to a single provider and being taken advantage of by the all-powerful telcos. fring offers a simple alternative to communication by innovatively leveraging internet and mobile environments to serve your telecommunication needs. Join our community and become a fringster!
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vimafeje said:
Hi,
since i found FRING, i never more use skype, msn or any other IM program.
whith FRING, i can use simultaneously MSN (whith calling function), Skype, ICQ and 2 more program.
link to fring: http://www.fring.com/
from fring homepage:
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fring is about bringing freedom to mobile communication
fring ™ was born from a concept of giving people the benefits of the internet combined with the user-culture of mobile telephony. Originating from a vision of freedom, fring gives you simultaneous freedom of speech and freedom of movement. Freedom to use your mobile phone to its greatest potential. Freedom to seek alternative mobile carriers. Freedom to communicate without boundaries. Freedom to enjoy your mobile independence.
fring ™ is focused on one simple target. Greater value for the individual. fring does this by harnessing the power of the internet to enable simple daily communications.
The fring ™ community is growing fast. It’s all about mobile communicators like you and me who are unhappy about being tied to a single provider and being taken advantage of by the all-powerful telcos. fring offers a simple alternative to communication by innovatively leveraging internet and mobile environments to serve your telecommunication needs. Join our community and become a fringster!
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I didn't know about this!
But after read your post I installed the app and voila!!!
It's really a great app, and I also can use my voipbuster account!!
I'm want to say:
THANK YOU VIMAFEJE for this great tip!!!!

LoL
Thx a lot VIMAFEJE
I have to w8 till i ge home to chk calling via 3G(bad reception at place where i work) tryied it via gprs..it works but lags are too big doh

tonchek said:
It didn't work for me on WM5 either. I was lucky to have an older version somewhere.
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Running LVSW's WM5 -- Skype 2.2 works fine.

i think there is only problem whith WM6...

Last version not working on 3G phones?
isn't it a bit strange this last version of skype not supporting to place calls in phones with good processor power? Tytn and P3600? It's also strange that the supported HTC phones don't have 3G communications?
My instinct tells me that there is some kind of pressure by mobile network providers for skype not being supported by 3G phones, because people are able to place much cheaper calls than trough the UMTS (3G) provider.
Just a guess...
(Actually previous versions work very well with my trinity either trough wi-fi or 3G)

skype 2.1 works fine
but via 3G in tmobile UK its not possible to make a call...lags are just to big....via WiFi works like a charm...

Reliable VoIP on Hermes? Experiences?

Hi,
I would like to use my Hermes as a VoIP device via WiFi. To be more precise, I want to use it seriously, not just to play around. The battery time is neglectible, server-side voip configuration and codes can be adjusted.
So far I have seen Schaps WM6.0 Rom, the Voipwm6.cab's, the voip Drivers .cab and destr0`s cab (I have also tested some overfilled Rom Images with Voip support).
My experience so far has been rather disappointing, laggy connections, no reconnecting after Wlan disconnect, lack of speech codecs. This seems surprising to me, as there are other WM6 based devices, with similiar memory and processor power, being marketed as business-VoIP devices (eg. some iPAQs). So, as far as I understand, it should be possible to enable full VoIP functionality, quality and reliability by chosing the right software.
My question:
Is somebody here using VoIP on a Hermes daily? What setup are you using, which drivers did you install? Are there WM6.1 Voip drivers availible? I do not like this mixing up of different library versions, which seems to be popular with the rom kitchens.

SKYPE MOBILE FIND IT ON THE SKYPE SITE THATS what I always use I have millions of enteries and errands to run and I have to meet political connections in other countries and I know this sounds boring but here I am and I have to use VOIP NO JOKE

since you asked.....
I fooled around with the same issue for several months. While Fring and the newest version of skype for ppc both gave good sound quality, I have given up on the issue because of an unacceptable voice delay (~0.5 ). I once thought the issue was related to my internet provider - my current opinion is that this is due windows mobile issues and inadequate processing power. Calling in to a local voip dial-in access telephone # via my hermes did NOT produce the same voice delay, nor did internet skype calling via a wifi connection from my computer. I also got the voice delay when I tried calling via a 3g/umts cellular connection and when using some Viop software found on this site. Finally, using every phone 'tweak' I could find on the internet also did not improve the voice delay, nor did different 'fast' custom ROMs improve the issue. If you/or anyone else ever solves the problem of voice delay on the hermes, I would love to know how.

I've been testing NCH Express Talk: http://www.nch.com.au/talk/index.html + this little utility that forces sound output to the earpiece: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396829
I haven't done much field testing, but the quality is much better than inbuilt VoIP, works ok over 3G and unlike Fring, the communication between you and your VoIP provider is direct.

Thanks for your replies and sharing your experiences. At least now I do not feel like a complete idiot. The strange thing is that when I tried Voip on Hermes the first times (just with VoIP.cab etc). and connecting directly to a normal provider sound quality was really good and the lag was low. Some hours later it has been bad.
As far as I am concerned, I have also tested agephone (gives you a lot of configuration options) and i will test voipsurfer (uses iax) a bit more as soon as i find some time.
I will not give up now. Among other things I want to look at the network settings of the Hermes (packet size etc.) and test with a lot of free memory.
I am going to keep this thread updated, as soon as I find out more.

Tremere, thanks for the nch hint. The program gave me a warning about my network setup, which may lead to one-way or lagged audio. Hmm...

Voip
Download fring from yr htc install it and insert yr voip account.
It works like charm.

wallabyman said:
Tremere, thanks for the nch hint. The program gave me a warning about my network setup, which may lead to one-way or lagged audio. Hmm...
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I got around the warning by setting up port forwarding on my router. The audio is fine, both directions work, but the lag is still not acceptable.

I bought a Hermes (8525) about 2 weeks ago and have been trying out different voip methods. Here's my bit:
Skype
+Keeps phone from sleeping so you can always be logged in
+Best sound quality from the ways I've tried
+Very cheap rates for US calls and DID
-Very unstable on my device. I constantly have to soft reset when skype runs
-Skype contacts separate from Hermes contacts
-Speakerphone used by default, which causes bad echoing. Torca2 works to route sound to earpiece, but awkward to start/stop. I haven't managed to get audioswitch to work, which would sort things out.
-Must use +1 on calls, and the + is obnoxious to get to
Fring (with skype)
+More stable, and I can use gmail chat!
+Smoother interface (for me) than skype
-Short to medium delay, enough to be a deal-breaker
-Doesn't stop device from sleeping, so calls in don't work
-Fring contacts separate from Hermes contacts
SIP with Home Asterisk/Sisky-Skype Server
+More control over detailed options
+When at home, great call quality with little delay
+WM6 has built in voip support
+Phone automatically logs into wifi networks and connects back to my home server very well, displays status on today screen
+Hermes contacts dial using voip when available
+Easy to build on and add more phones (mobile and landlines) to the system
-Good quality but bad delay (so far) when connecting remotely through the internet
-Tricky to get set up from scratch
-Requires at least one dedicated server, preferably two
-Sisky enterprise software is proprietary ($60, free 30-day trial)
-Voip stops when the device is in standby. There are supposed to be ways around this but at the cost of battery life. Still testing...
I'm going to try the voip with voipbuster or another provider... but that's next weekend. I'm hoping my home asterisk server pans out, but there's a lot of configurations to learn and perfect.
Here's the link for torca2 again
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396829
And audioswitch, which would be a gem if it worked on the hermes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469223

Skype on HD?

Anyone has Skype installed on HD? I installed the version at official website and it didn't work.

use FRING: you can manage Skype, MSN messenger and many similar apps all in one software and all at the same time.

I installed Skype on my Touch HD today from the Skype website. I used the 2.5 Beta version for Pocket PC (installed to my computer and used ActiveSync to install to internal memory of my HD). I've seen posts where people have been saying they've had issues, but (so far) Skype is working on my HD.

Skype works flawlessly on the HD.
I tested skype from my HD to another HD with skype and the results where
really awesome.. so little lag you dont even notice (we both used Wifi)

To Op: make sure you download for ppc and not smartphone.

I downloaded the PPC version, and try it again but still not working, maybe my HD is chinese version?

echoooooo
I used Skype and just like when i use it at home i get the echo sound and a repeating of dialog

nestea said:
Anyone has Skype installed on HD? I installed the version at official website and it didn't work.
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Skype 2.5 didn't work on my HD either (crashed as soon as I tried to call someone), but the earlier 2.2.0.38 works.
Unfortunately I cannot seem to attach it to my post, but maybe you can find it somewhere on the web.

i tried once and the install didn't complete properly, the second time it just ran ok and have no issues with it. They should somewhat fix the interface tho and make it a little more fingerfriendly. support for camera would rule also.

on my Hd works but only if use WiFi, doesn't work via ActiveSync

i have installesd the mobile version from the website and it works fine. No problems at all with it. camera does not work with it but other than that it works fine.

I downloaded the current version from the web site and it works fine on wifi. Does not want to work over activesync (but then why would I want to bother, when I'm using the PC I just use Skype on the PC).
I have not yet tried Skype on the HD with bluetooth - next thing to try ...

I use Nimbuzz.
http://www.nimbuzz.com/en/mobile/mobile/
The new version supports WVGA an can manage a lot of providers like skype, icq, google, StudiVZ (german), yahoo, msn, ... in just one program. I love it
greetings
nick

nick007 said:
I use Nimbuzz.
http://www.nimbuzz.com/en/mobile/mobile/
The new version supports WVGA an can manage a lot of providers like skype, icq, google, StudiVZ (german), yahoo, msn, ... in just one program. I love it
greetings
nick
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I didn't see the touch HD version listed there....which should I download?

Hey guys, I have Skype 2.5 working nicely except for one thing...
The sound comes out of the REAR speaker instead of the front
I think I may have seen someone mention it before in another thread but couldn't find it again.
Any fixes? Cheers

I am using skype on my HD and it works like clock and it looks really pretty as well...
It works both over wifi and over t-mobile internet connection...
cheers

Haha lucky you - sadly I still have this annoying problem
That's cool man, are you using a stock Touch HD or a particular ROM?

I have Skyp on my HD, it works well over both WiFi & my 3G connection, although as said, the voice comes over the rear speaker

After a bit of digging, a guy from Skype says HTC haven't shared something that would enable them to use the front speaker perfectly, without hacking which he says would cause too many support issues. Nevertheless here's the thread, worth a read..
http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=186171&st=20
His suggestion is to install this app called AudioRoute..
http://teksoftco.com/index.php?section=freeware
.. and I just checked to see if it works, and it does.
So before launching Skype we will have to launch this little program and it puts a small square on your Home screen. After pressing it you get the options of Front, Rear, Speakerphone ON and Exit. Pressing Front and then making a call with Skype has the desired effect.
It is good enough for me until hopefully Skype come up with something

Working with Skype for WM 3.0 on my HD and found no bugs. Everything goes well. WiFi or Edge or 3G all without problems. SMS now included and the most improvement. My provider offered a cheap 3G flatrate but the SMS are very expensive. Without me thanks to skype!
Interesting to see my Skype shows copyright for 2.5 but under version it's 3.0.0.100 to found. Seems they found no time to change the copyright up to today
P.S. The front speaker is active without any additional app. In fact there are front and rear active, allways.