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I want to upgrade to Schapp's new 4.31 ROM. I am now using 4.0 which is great.
Is there an easier way than reinstalling all the software and settings that are already on my Hermes?
Charlie

use spb backup - so you can save all your settings and apps before flashing

kingartus said:
use spb backup - so you can save all your settings and apps before flashing
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Whoa there buddy, you CANNOT use spb backup (or any other backup) to port settings from one rom to another. Different roms have different registries so while most of the phone will be functional, you will most likely encounter errors.
Ur best off reinstalling everything mrlease.

mcorrie1121 said:
Whoa there buddy, you CANNOT use spb backup (or any other backup) to port settings from one rom to another. Different roms have different registries so while most of the phone will be functional, you will most likely encounter errors.
Ur best off reinstalling everything mrlease.
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Not quite right sir,
If you are upgrading from WM5 to WM6 then dont use a backup utility since registry stuff is slightly different. HOWEVER updating to a newer WM6 ROM will be fine if you use a backup utility, aslong as you are already using WM6.

Correct - that´s the way it is!!

mrvanx said:
Not quite right sir,
If you are upgrading from WM5 to WM6 then dont use a backup utility since registry stuff is slightly different. HOWEVER updating to a newer WM6 ROM will be fine if you use a backup utility, aslong as you are already using WM6.
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How about moving from one build to another build in WM6? Will a backup utility like spb back up or sprite backup work?

Yer it should be fine, remember the core OS is still WM6, the builds just relate to bug fixes and later versions of dlls etc...

I use sprite backup, but one thing that's made me skeptical about using it for rom updates is updates to cooked in apps.
For example, I'm using schaps 4.01 but want to upgrade to 4.31. Loads of the cooked in apps are updated, but will sprite try to overwrite them with the old versions when I restore?
Plus what if my backup file has an app which wasn't part of the original rom but is in the newer one - will I end up with the rom version, or my previously installed version?
I suppose I could test these out, but if someone knows the answer it would be really helpful.

What the !
Oh, the countless hours I have wasted reinstalling all my apps and settings.
However, to be fair, SPBBackup always warns me against backing up from a different machine...

larsuck said:
What the !
Oh, the countless hours I have wasted reinstalling all my apps and settings.
However, to be fair, SPBBackup always warns me against backing up from a different machine...
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What the ! exactly. It takes me >>> hours to setup,customize,...etc after each flash. If someone can confirm this, it would be great. I'll flash more often. 8)

mrvanx said:
Not quite right sir,
If you are upgrading from WM5 to WM6 then dont use a backup utility since registry stuff is slightly different. HOWEVER updating to a newer WM6 ROM will be fine if you use a backup utility, aslong as you are already using WM6.
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Really? In my 6 mos of visiting this site I've never heard this before...it was always "only do it with the same rom." Well if there is anyone I'd trust on this, its prob you vanx. Just surprising.

Mrvanx is, of course, correct. I have used both Sprite and SPB to restore programs and settings between different WM6 versions. Sprite seems to work the best, and has "ROM Upgrade" and "New Device" options in addition to the basic restore function. When I upgraded my Axim from 5 to 6 I used Sprites ROM Upgrade and it worked perfectly. On Hermes I have only tested with various versions of WM6.

Sprite Backup ROM Upgrade
I tried Sprite Backup ROM Upgrade option to go to the latest Berds_4.31_SS ROM. I turned out to be pretty bad, some observations:
1. Comm Managers didn't get carried over - I am using Schap's Kaiser
2. Spb Mobile Shell completely failed. Customized menu were all lost.
3. Many others I couldn't recall.
I thought I share this for others' benefit. I later did the step by step installing everything. Perhaps others have success but it didn't work for this round for me.

MrVanx is right AS FAR AS REGISTRY IS CONCERNED. You can backup/restore registry setting as a whole or branches and entries of your liking easily even without SPB Backup. But restoring full ROM with all programs is like forecasting the weather - you can never know the exact result. I have tried both SPB Backup and Sprite Backup to restore apps between the different WM6 ROMs and the results were not very positive - from duplicated shortcuts in the Programs menu (New ROM included program I had to install to the old one by default, but in a different location), various apps not working correctly, or ultimately bricked device (hang at WM Boot screen - HR required) - it ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR SETUP. As a rule of the thumb I would say the more apps you have the more likely you are to encounter some problems.

build a rom from a phone that has been setup?

Hello,
I was wondering if i can somehow make a rom off of a running phone....
Basically here is my thinking...
I have a tilt (kaiser), and i want to setup something like sprite terminator (possibly something else) on it as well as some other apps, once it is all customized the way i like it, i want to backup the device into a rom, then use it to flash my phone..... that way should anyone ever steal my phone even if they did a hard reset it would only flash back to my rom and therefore my terminator already be setup again....

asjeep said:
Hello,
I was wondering if i can somehow make a rom off of a running phone....
Basically here is my thinking...
I have a tilt (kaiser), and i want to setup something like sprite terminator (possibly something else) on it as well as some other apps, once it is all customized the way i like it, i want to backup the device into a rom, then use it to flash my phone..... that way should anyone ever steal my phone even if they did a hard reset it would only flash back to my rom and therefore my terminator already be setup again....
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Your cooked rom will be always there even with hard reset

asjeep said:
Hello,
once it is all customized the way i like it, i want to backup the device into a rom, then use it to flash my phone.....
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Sort of - you can extract a ROM from an HTC device but, as said above, it won't include any changes made by you after hardreset. All it will do is to take the ROM that sets up Windows, etc. for you. It will only do the same job if you then take that ROM and install it on the same device or elsewhere.
What you probably want to do get a kitchen and cook in these apps. In most cases you can also cook in all your personal settings for those programs and for windows itself.
If you go far enough into cooking kitchens, you'll eventually be able to make a ROM which is, after a hard reset, already set up precisely the way it would be if you hard reset and install all your apps and change all of the setting both in Control Panel items and in your apps. All that could be there smiling at you after a hard reset as you want it to be, but you'll have to cook a ROM to make it so.
Another option is to use an auto-installer for cabs, although that would only make setup easier and can be circumvented pre soft resetting before the installs kick off so it wouldn't have the security of having your name and theft-prevention software already set up.
In my case, my Hermes does come completely setup with all my preferred windows and apps settings, as if I'd spent hours setting up after a hard reset. Mostly this is done by a big cab in Preconfig and most settings in the ROM's registry from cooking with a rgu file. A big one.

(I'm working - albeit slowly - on some simple tools that can help in creating one's own single, personal OEM to add into a kitchen and has all of your settings and apps in it. I just need to work out how to automate some cabwiz functions that currently I'm using some expensive-ish software for which I can't expect others to buy. Can't give out my own 'big cab' even to help as an example I'm afraid as it's got all kinds of paid-for or private stuff in and it'll take ages to unpick. Should I not get this simple tool going as I want, I'll probably just write a page on wiki or something as it's still easier than going through the whole process of cooking in many apps and your windows folder wil be much, much cleaner and your phone a lot faster if you do it this way.)

Great thanks so much for all the help.... BTW tried sprite and it only caused my tilt to not download emails from exchange so it came off and time for another hard reset

Free backup software?

Hi all,
I've got my Rhodium and before I start experimenting with a lot of the stuff on here I wanted to backup my device in a working state.
I previously always used sprite backup which I got on a CD with my Kaiser for free.
I didn't get it for free with my Rhodium and it wouldn't let me install it on here cause it said invalid rom version.
Is there an alternative? I don't have any money as I'm off work sick following an operation so if there is a bit free of free software that does the same thing that would be awesome
Another thing I wanted to ask but din't think needed it's own thread.... On my Kaiser I had an action screen (using Hyper Dragon III) and I'd very much like to get that same action screen on my Rhodium if possible, does anyone know if it would work on this device and if so where I can get it on it's own?
Thanks all,
DJ

Try your local HTC support download - I can download Sprite 6.2.3.2324 from there

Mesquire said:
Try your local HTC support download - I can download Sprite 6.2.3.2324 from there
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Cannot find - got a link, perchance?

It's only available free from the HK version of the support for the TP2... Same as only HK have an updated ROM for the TP2
Think HTC need to start dishing out these updates and software etc for everyone...

Oh... pooh
And yeah, if they offer for one area, they should offer for all. Common sense, that, to make (at the very least) a basic back-up tool available, say a "lite" version of a commercially available full product... HTC, you guys listening, perchance?

Well, i sent them an email asking about it, so will see what response i get...

If you need a copy of it, send me a PM

Well, I would rather purchase a new one if it does not comes with your phone or even if there is a free one out there :> besides your TP2 is not a cheap investment. Better treat it well, if not your phone will be mad Good luck.

I've already had to perform one hard reset, so back up software would be most helpful

I've used PIM backup which is free. Works well.

Does it back up all the TouchFlo and WAP/MMS/Internet settings on a WM6.1 phone as well?

There is a custom area where you can specify which files/folders you want to back up. So as long as you know the files you need, yes.

The reply I got from HTC basically said that they have an agreement on the sprite backup software that it would be available only for asian market. If this gets altered and becomes available for more markets, it would be available to download from the support area...
Not holding out much hope there then! Good job I use spb backup already then
Just a quick question, if I needed to do a hard reset of my device, and then restored the backup, what actually gets restored?! Would I need to reinstall all of the software etc all over again!? Just wondering, as my backup is over 100mb, and I don't have that much in my phone that I've stored, so guess that a lot of it is probably files I have installed!?
Cheers

Good question. I'd like to know the answer too, as I'd certainly pay a reasonable amount for back-up software that not only backed up my files, but backed up all my settings aincluding registry and wap, mms, and net settings as well (it's save me spending twenty minutes remembering where I'd left the details on my PC, then labouriously manually copying them into the PPC again!).

lovelldr said:
.... Just a quick question, if I needed to do a hard reset of my device, and then restored the backup, what actually gets restored?! Would I need to reinstall all of the software etc all over again!? Just wondering, as my backup is over 100mb, and I don't have that much in my phone that I've stored, so guess that a lot of it is probably files I have installed!?
Cheers
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Well, you will get back everything you backup (full backup), if your restore from the SBP Full Restore. (Make sure it is a good backup copy). If you have programs that installed on your microSD, you don't need to reinstall them. It will run perfectly after the restore. (cos I have done it many times)
Note; the only thing you need is just have to resync with your PC (like contacts, calendar, etc)
Good luck.

Super backup/restore

Does anyone know if it is possible to take an entire backup image of your HD rom so you can later restore from it? I guess this would be like making a ROM backup from your device that you could later burn back to the device as a restore.
It's common when screwing around with theme hacks to stuff manilla and then have to go back to reburning a rom and setting it back up again. I saaw there's tools that try to backup/restore settings but it would be nice to be able to restore from a complete device state (kind of like using Ghost to backup/restore a Windows desktop image).
From my very noob knowledge I'm wondering if you can use the rom tools to do something like this (tools for cooking the roms, the RUU tools used for loading the roms on the device and HSPL/SPL/USPL, etc)...?

nope, sorry mate, there are no noob tools around for backing up.
Only things like PPCPimbackup for backing up your contacts, calendar, text messages, custom folders, and more.
You could also use SASHIMI. It can be very difficult to use it, but if you only want programs installed and your email configured automagically, then it's quite easy. Just watch the first two demonstrations on youtube.
Seriously, only play with your phone if you know how to fix a broken one. Or make sure you have enough cash to just buy a new one

thanks - all good advice. although have to say the tutorials and advice here is ample for you to experiment in an educated way. great site.
so nobody is doing entire rom backups except for the top l33ts eh? I could understand why based on the fact these are not just mini pc's...whole different ball game
cheers

Sprite Backup???

telegraph0000 said:
Sprite Backup???
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Hey now that other product they do "SpriteClone" looks like it is exactly what I'm after;
http://www.spritesoftware.com/products/sprite-clone
...albeit it's $300 because it's designed for corporate/enterprise. Thanks for that link...wonder if anyone knows of a product like that designed for personal use?

SPB Backup is the best
I usually use it to restore all my files and unstalled softwares when changing the ROM
BUT
the new ROM should be of the same type as the older one, i.e., if you are on COM2 upgrading the ROM should be to a COM2 type too and so on

Thanks - SPB Backup looks like an affordable yet sturdy solution. I guess whatr you mean about matching ROM's is fine provided you are restoring to the same rom/hardware you backed up from?

Rom backup tool

I think it would be very useful to have available a tool which could dump to the sd card the rom that is currently on the phone, all settings, pim data, etc. and make so all you have to do is flash the rom and when its done, everything is as it was. Kind of like making restore points on your pc. Currently it seems people are using a combination of this to do that, that to do this, and there is a kinda steep learning curve for new users, and experienced users are still taking 1/2 hr to an hr to set everything up after flashing and it seems every chef has thier preferred autoinstall stuff cooked in. I would be willing to donate $50 to author of a working tool such as I have described but it would have to restore everything, just t29, flash the b/u rom and ur in business, and it would have to be noob friendly at least for the most part as this tool would be a preferred method for newer users. I think such a tool would make experimentation with apps and modifications, rom building/testing much safer and faster for people just to flash back to a stable rom all set up if something doesnt go right. I know theres some seriously smart people here at xda, hopefully some of you could look into creating a tool that would benifit many people, and hopefully more people would be willing to donate for such a tool.

huggs said:
I think it would be very useful to have available a tool which could dump to the sd card the rom that is currently on the phone, all settings, pim data, etc. and make so all you have to do is flash the rom and when its done, everything is as it was. Kind of like making restore points on your pc. Currently it seems people are using a combination of this to do that, that to do this, and there is a kinda steep learning curve for new users, and experienced users are still taking 1/2 hr to an hr to set everything up after flashing and it seems every chef has thier preferred autoinstall stuff cooked in. I would be willing to donate $50 to author of a working tool such as I have described but it would have to restore everything, just t29, flash the b/u rom and ur in business, and it would have to be noob friendly at least for the most part as this tool would be a preferred method for newer users. I think such a tool would make experimentation with apps and modifications, rom building/testing much safer and faster for people just to flash back to a stable rom all set up if something doesnt go right. I know theres some seriously smart people here at xda, hopefully some of you could look into creating a tool that would benifit many people, and hopefully more people would be willing to donate for such a tool.
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The problem is that when you backup program items, it also backs up the registry entries, and those entries may vary between ROMS. I use SPB Backup on my system, but ONLY restore to the same ROM version - to avoid this very issue.
The absolute safest way to flash a new ROM is to use activesync to backup your contacts, emails, and schedule (plus mobile shortcuts), and then flash. Then manually install each of your programs onto the phone. This ensures that your phone will be setup to match the OS. Then restore your contacts, etc, by using activesync again.
There are various solutions to get around this (I use XDA_UC myself), but that requires some reading and knowledge.

stevedebi said:
The problem is that when you backup program items, it also backs up the registry entries, and those entries may vary between ROMS. I use SPB Backup on my system, but ONLY restore to the same ROM version - to avoid this very issue.
The absolute safest way to flash a new ROM is to use activesync to backup your contacts, emails, and schedule (plus mobile shortcuts), and then flash. Then manually install each of your programs onto the phone. This ensures that your phone will be setup to match the OS. Then restore your contacts, etc, by using activesync again.
There are various solutions to get around this (I use XDA_UC myself), but that requires some reading and knowledge.
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Right, I understand about reg entries not matching between roms, I'm saying to restore the same rom that was backed up. That way, if you installed a app, wanted to try a new rom, made some change or whatever that made the rom unusable, you could just restore that rom to the last stable configuration that you backed up. You could have the rom on your sd and have a stable rom to flash back to anytime, so you dont have to restore everything anytime you screw up your phone and must HR. Since I have had my TP2, I have had to HR many times, caused by messin with stuff trial and error style, I think it would be a nice safety net, to be able to flash back to something stable, all set up the way it was when the backup was made. Then alls you would have to do is get your rom all set up once, and remember to back it up.

huggs said:
Right, I understand about reg entries not matching between roms, I'm saying to restore the same rom that was backed up. That way, if you installed a app, wanted to try a new rom, made some change or whatever that made the rom unusable, you could just restore that rom to the last stable configuration that you backed up. You could have the rom on your sd and have a stable rom to flash back to anytime, so you dont have to restore everything anytime you screw up your phone and must HR. Since I have had my TP2, I have had to HR many times, caused by messin with stuff trial and error style, I think it would be a nice safety net, to be able to flash back to something stable, all set up the way it was when the backup was made. Then alls you would have to do is get your rom all set up once, and remember to back it up.
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Oh, for THAT I recommend SPB Backup. It isn't free, but it does a good job. But it would not contain the flash contents, and all bets are off if you are attempting to overwrite a newer ROM. What I do is re-flash the ROM that matches the backup, and THEN restore the SPB backup file.