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build a rom from a phone that has been setup?

Hello,
I was wondering if i can somehow make a rom off of a running phone....
Basically here is my thinking...
I have a tilt (kaiser), and i want to setup something like sprite terminator (possibly something else) on it as well as some other apps, once it is all customized the way i like it, i want to backup the device into a rom, then use it to flash my phone..... that way should anyone ever steal my phone even if they did a hard reset it would only flash back to my rom and therefore my terminator already be setup again....

asjeep said:
Hello,
I was wondering if i can somehow make a rom off of a running phone....
Basically here is my thinking...
I have a tilt (kaiser), and i want to setup something like sprite terminator (possibly something else) on it as well as some other apps, once it is all customized the way i like it, i want to backup the device into a rom, then use it to flash my phone..... that way should anyone ever steal my phone even if they did a hard reset it would only flash back to my rom and therefore my terminator already be setup again....
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Your cooked rom will be always there even with hard reset

asjeep said:
Hello,
once it is all customized the way i like it, i want to backup the device into a rom, then use it to flash my phone.....
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Sort of - you can extract a ROM from an HTC device but, as said above, it won't include any changes made by you after hardreset. All it will do is to take the ROM that sets up Windows, etc. for you. It will only do the same job if you then take that ROM and install it on the same device or elsewhere.
What you probably want to do get a kitchen and cook in these apps. In most cases you can also cook in all your personal settings for those programs and for windows itself.
If you go far enough into cooking kitchens, you'll eventually be able to make a ROM which is, after a hard reset, already set up precisely the way it would be if you hard reset and install all your apps and change all of the setting both in Control Panel items and in your apps. All that could be there smiling at you after a hard reset as you want it to be, but you'll have to cook a ROM to make it so.
Another option is to use an auto-installer for cabs, although that would only make setup easier and can be circumvented pre soft resetting before the installs kick off so it wouldn't have the security of having your name and theft-prevention software already set up.
In my case, my Hermes does come completely setup with all my preferred windows and apps settings, as if I'd spent hours setting up after a hard reset. Mostly this is done by a big cab in Preconfig and most settings in the ROM's registry from cooking with a rgu file. A big one.

(I'm working - albeit slowly - on some simple tools that can help in creating one's own single, personal OEM to add into a kitchen and has all of your settings and apps in it. I just need to work out how to automate some cabwiz functions that currently I'm using some expensive-ish software for which I can't expect others to buy. Can't give out my own 'big cab' even to help as an example I'm afraid as it's got all kinds of paid-for or private stuff in and it'll take ages to unpick. Should I not get this simple tool going as I want, I'll probably just write a page on wiki or something as it's still easier than going through the whole process of cooking in many apps and your windows folder wil be much, much cleaner and your phone a lot faster if you do it this way.)

Great thanks so much for all the help.... BTW tried sprite and it only caused my tilt to not download emails from exchange so it came off and time for another hard reset

First post, a question and comment...

First, just wanted to say thanks to all that have donated their time, brains and energy for all the updates and suggestions. I think it's definitely worth a paypal donation even if it's only 10 bucks.
Second, I'm surprised (not sure why though) at the lack of using the search button. Sometimes it takes some digging but generally with enough of it, the answer is there.
Okay, now for my stupid question. (Yes, I did do a search first... )
I've made the tweaks I wanted to do and I've backed up my system. My question is, if I do a ROM upgrade and then do a restore, will the restore put my tweaks back in it or do I have to start all over?
Thanks,
Mark
PS. Obviously everyone has an opinions but on average, was it worth doing the 1.37 ROM upgrade?

what kind of backup did you do? what ROM are you flashing to?

racerx_ said:
what kind of backup did you do? what ROM are you flashing to?
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I used Sprite backup and I've got 1.35.456.3 WWE and I was looking at the 1.37 ROM upgrade for my Diamond.

Sers,
it is good to see somebody new here who follows the rules and searches!! There's really a lack in that for the past weeks ( especially since diamond's release ) !
I dont know what tweaks you did especially, but generally registry tweaks etc. gets lost if you flash a new rom.
You could even back up your registry but I wouldn't recommend that because in case of an update there will be some changes in reg before.
If dont want to install all your apps ever again try SASHIMI - that's an customizable auto installer for apps and maybe reg-tweaks too!
regards

demacus said:
Sers,
it is good to see somebody new here who follows the rules and searches!! There's really a lack in that for the past weeks ( especially since diamond's release ) !
I dont know what tweaks you did especially, but generally registry tweaks etc. gets lost if you flash a new rom.
You could even back up your registry but I wouldn't recommend that because in case of an update there will be some changes in reg before.
If dont want to install all your apps ever again try SASHIMI - that's an customizable auto installer for apps and maybe reg-tweaks too!
regards
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I know what you mean. I read all 50 pages and if I had to read one more time where can I get this program, how do I install this, blah, blah, blah... wow, I can see how it gets frustrating for those that have a) the knowledge already b) have posted the answer 1000 times.
I understand that sometimes you just don't feel like chasing something down but for basic questions... they need to search.
As far as my mods, they're simple. I did the battery one (disableling auto-attach) and #1 on the list.
Both are easy to reinstall.
I guess my question was if I use Sprite to back up programs and then do a ROM update, using Sprite to reinstall those programs won't affect the new ROM, will it?
I'm assuming Sprite backups programs, not registry changes too.
I ask because I don't want to backup with Sprite, do the ROM update and then use Sprite and have it put the old registry back into it.
Or does Sprite copy the registry also?
Thanks,
Mark

orangecrush said:
I know what you mean. I read all 50 pages and if I had to read one more time where can I get this program, how do I install this, blah, blah, blah... wow, I can see how it gets frustrating for those that have a) the knowledge already b) have posted the answer 1000 times.
I understand that sometimes you just don't feel like chasing something down but for basic questions... they need to search.
As far as my mods, they're simple. I did the battery one (disableling auto-attach) and #1 on the list.
Both are easy to reinstall.
I guess my question was if I use Sprite to back up programs and then do a ROM update, using Sprite to reinstall those programs won't affect the new ROM, will it?
I'm assuming Sprite backups programs, not registry changes too.
I ask because I don't want to backup with Sprite, do the ROM update and then use Sprite and have it put the old registry back into it.
Or does Sprite copy the registry also?
Thanks,
Mark
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Hi Mark, welcome to xda-dev,
Sprite Backup copy the registry also.
Some apps are key in the registry to operate properly.
That is why you must avoid making a restore of your old ROM on your new ROM.

yeah its not recommended.. unless you're updating to a newer version of the same ROM, provided the chef hasn't done new registry tweaks.. or your old registry will reverse the new tweaks.. SASHIMI is recommended for sure..

welcome new person
no question is silly......unless its been asked many times before.
enjoy your diamond and have fun in this forum!

Thanks guys.... I'll buy the other program instead of using sprite.
Much appreciated.
Mark

Free backup software?

Hi all,
I've got my Rhodium and before I start experimenting with a lot of the stuff on here I wanted to backup my device in a working state.
I previously always used sprite backup which I got on a CD with my Kaiser for free.
I didn't get it for free with my Rhodium and it wouldn't let me install it on here cause it said invalid rom version.
Is there an alternative? I don't have any money as I'm off work sick following an operation so if there is a bit free of free software that does the same thing that would be awesome
Another thing I wanted to ask but din't think needed it's own thread.... On my Kaiser I had an action screen (using Hyper Dragon III) and I'd very much like to get that same action screen on my Rhodium if possible, does anyone know if it would work on this device and if so where I can get it on it's own?
Thanks all,
DJ

Try your local HTC support download - I can download Sprite 6.2.3.2324 from there

Mesquire said:
Try your local HTC support download - I can download Sprite 6.2.3.2324 from there
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Cannot find - got a link, perchance?

It's only available free from the HK version of the support for the TP2... Same as only HK have an updated ROM for the TP2
Think HTC need to start dishing out these updates and software etc for everyone...

Oh... pooh
And yeah, if they offer for one area, they should offer for all. Common sense, that, to make (at the very least) a basic back-up tool available, say a "lite" version of a commercially available full product... HTC, you guys listening, perchance?

Well, i sent them an email asking about it, so will see what response i get...

If you need a copy of it, send me a PM

Well, I would rather purchase a new one if it does not comes with your phone or even if there is a free one out there :> besides your TP2 is not a cheap investment. Better treat it well, if not your phone will be mad Good luck.

I've already had to perform one hard reset, so back up software would be most helpful

I've used PIM backup which is free. Works well.

Does it back up all the TouchFlo and WAP/MMS/Internet settings on a WM6.1 phone as well?

There is a custom area where you can specify which files/folders you want to back up. So as long as you know the files you need, yes.

The reply I got from HTC basically said that they have an agreement on the sprite backup software that it would be available only for asian market. If this gets altered and becomes available for more markets, it would be available to download from the support area...
Not holding out much hope there then! Good job I use spb backup already then
Just a quick question, if I needed to do a hard reset of my device, and then restored the backup, what actually gets restored?! Would I need to reinstall all of the software etc all over again!? Just wondering, as my backup is over 100mb, and I don't have that much in my phone that I've stored, so guess that a lot of it is probably files I have installed!?
Cheers

Good question. I'd like to know the answer too, as I'd certainly pay a reasonable amount for back-up software that not only backed up my files, but backed up all my settings aincluding registry and wap, mms, and net settings as well (it's save me spending twenty minutes remembering where I'd left the details on my PC, then labouriously manually copying them into the PPC again!).

lovelldr said:
.... Just a quick question, if I needed to do a hard reset of my device, and then restored the backup, what actually gets restored?! Would I need to reinstall all of the software etc all over again!? Just wondering, as my backup is over 100mb, and I don't have that much in my phone that I've stored, so guess that a lot of it is probably files I have installed!?
Cheers
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Well, you will get back everything you backup (full backup), if your restore from the SBP Full Restore. (Make sure it is a good backup copy). If you have programs that installed on your microSD, you don't need to reinstall them. It will run perfectly after the restore. (cos I have done it many times)
Note; the only thing you need is just have to resync with your PC (like contacts, calendar, etc)
Good luck.

Rom backup tool

I think it would be very useful to have available a tool which could dump to the sd card the rom that is currently on the phone, all settings, pim data, etc. and make so all you have to do is flash the rom and when its done, everything is as it was. Kind of like making restore points on your pc. Currently it seems people are using a combination of this to do that, that to do this, and there is a kinda steep learning curve for new users, and experienced users are still taking 1/2 hr to an hr to set everything up after flashing and it seems every chef has thier preferred autoinstall stuff cooked in. I would be willing to donate $50 to author of a working tool such as I have described but it would have to restore everything, just t29, flash the b/u rom and ur in business, and it would have to be noob friendly at least for the most part as this tool would be a preferred method for newer users. I think such a tool would make experimentation with apps and modifications, rom building/testing much safer and faster for people just to flash back to a stable rom all set up if something doesnt go right. I know theres some seriously smart people here at xda, hopefully some of you could look into creating a tool that would benifit many people, and hopefully more people would be willing to donate for such a tool.

huggs said:
I think it would be very useful to have available a tool which could dump to the sd card the rom that is currently on the phone, all settings, pim data, etc. and make so all you have to do is flash the rom and when its done, everything is as it was. Kind of like making restore points on your pc. Currently it seems people are using a combination of this to do that, that to do this, and there is a kinda steep learning curve for new users, and experienced users are still taking 1/2 hr to an hr to set everything up after flashing and it seems every chef has thier preferred autoinstall stuff cooked in. I would be willing to donate $50 to author of a working tool such as I have described but it would have to restore everything, just t29, flash the b/u rom and ur in business, and it would have to be noob friendly at least for the most part as this tool would be a preferred method for newer users. I think such a tool would make experimentation with apps and modifications, rom building/testing much safer and faster for people just to flash back to a stable rom all set up if something doesnt go right. I know theres some seriously smart people here at xda, hopefully some of you could look into creating a tool that would benifit many people, and hopefully more people would be willing to donate for such a tool.
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The problem is that when you backup program items, it also backs up the registry entries, and those entries may vary between ROMS. I use SPB Backup on my system, but ONLY restore to the same ROM version - to avoid this very issue.
The absolute safest way to flash a new ROM is to use activesync to backup your contacts, emails, and schedule (plus mobile shortcuts), and then flash. Then manually install each of your programs onto the phone. This ensures that your phone will be setup to match the OS. Then restore your contacts, etc, by using activesync again.
There are various solutions to get around this (I use XDA_UC myself), but that requires some reading and knowledge.

stevedebi said:
The problem is that when you backup program items, it also backs up the registry entries, and those entries may vary between ROMS. I use SPB Backup on my system, but ONLY restore to the same ROM version - to avoid this very issue.
The absolute safest way to flash a new ROM is to use activesync to backup your contacts, emails, and schedule (plus mobile shortcuts), and then flash. Then manually install each of your programs onto the phone. This ensures that your phone will be setup to match the OS. Then restore your contacts, etc, by using activesync again.
There are various solutions to get around this (I use XDA_UC myself), but that requires some reading and knowledge.
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Right, I understand about reg entries not matching between roms, I'm saying to restore the same rom that was backed up. That way, if you installed a app, wanted to try a new rom, made some change or whatever that made the rom unusable, you could just restore that rom to the last stable configuration that you backed up. You could have the rom on your sd and have a stable rom to flash back to anytime, so you dont have to restore everything anytime you screw up your phone and must HR. Since I have had my TP2, I have had to HR many times, caused by messin with stuff trial and error style, I think it would be a nice safety net, to be able to flash back to something stable, all set up the way it was when the backup was made. Then alls you would have to do is get your rom all set up once, and remember to back it up.

huggs said:
Right, I understand about reg entries not matching between roms, I'm saying to restore the same rom that was backed up. That way, if you installed a app, wanted to try a new rom, made some change or whatever that made the rom unusable, you could just restore that rom to the last stable configuration that you backed up. You could have the rom on your sd and have a stable rom to flash back to anytime, so you dont have to restore everything anytime you screw up your phone and must HR. Since I have had my TP2, I have had to HR many times, caused by messin with stuff trial and error style, I think it would be a nice safety net, to be able to flash back to something stable, all set up the way it was when the backup was made. Then alls you would have to do is get your rom all set up once, and remember to back it up.
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Oh, for THAT I recommend SPB Backup. It isn't free, but it does a good job. But it would not contain the flash contents, and all bets are off if you are attempting to overwrite a newer ROM. What I do is re-flash the ROM that matches the backup, and THEN restore the SPB backup file.

[Q] ROM Backups with rhodium kitchen?

(Excuse me if this seems noobish, I'm used to nandroid )
I dumped my ROM and got Part00, 01, 02, 03.raw. The only ones I've seen used are parts 1 and 2, but judging by file size, I'm pretty sure 3 is the data partition, so if I flashed a ROM with 1 and 2, I'd get the OS back, but none of my files. Like a fresh install of Windows. Is there any way to put that part 3 into the nbh?
Or am I completely wrong about what the parts are?

This is a pretty convoluted way to go about making a backup, but it sounds like you're on the right track. I find it much easier to do a full backup with another application like SPB Backup or Sprite Backup. This would restore the entire ROM after flashing it back to how it was. This doesn't make a flashable ROM image, but it does allow you to flash the ROM you made the backup from and then do a full restore including registry entries.

Okay, thanks, but is there any way to make a flashable NBH out of those parts that you know of? I was going to try out the Android NAND boot thingy, but I wanted to be able to get back to Windows Mobile as soon as I could if things didn't work out, because the TouchPro2 is now my only phone worth using
By the way, the Albino Black Sheep link in your signature should be REQUIRED to watch before using any forum

Not as far as I know. It's not a long process to restore a backup. I do it quite often and it takes me about 10 minutes total to go from flashing the ROM to completing the restore process and rebooting. The only caveat to this is that the full backups will only function properly when used with the exact ROM that was flashed when the backup was made.
I got that link from when I was active in the Steam forums. I wish I could just hand it out to most of the new guys around here who have never been part of a forum before.

Thanks I vaguely remember the old Data Backup program from my iPaq 3600 of old, and I guess this is kinda the same thing.

Yes, but you may want to get a newer backup program. Most of the older ones that worked on WM5 do not work on WM6.5 and WM6.5.3.