I have a problem that applications that run in background are sometimes killed automatically.
When an application is running, I start another application and after closing the second application the first application is closed too.
For example:
OZI-Explorer is running. I start the camera to take a picture. While the camera is running I can see that the GPS-LED (OZI uses GPS) stops flashing. So OZI Explorer was killed in background. After closing the camera OZI-Explorer is gone.
Sometimes I only run a game like vexed. S2U comes up to lock the screen. After Unlock vexed is closed.
Program memory is not the problem. I have more than 13M sometimes near 20M when more than 1 application is running and the problem occurs.
I found out 2 things:
- Direct after soft reset the problem does not occur, but after a while of
usage.
- all WM6.1 roms with a higher build number than Artemis touch 4.02 have this problem.
In 4.02 or lower the problem never occurs.
Does anyone have this problem too?
Andre
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Keep an eye on free ram! even 13 mb is not enough for smooth running. especially for gps.
when the level of it is low, OS close applications automatically.
With Artemis Touch 4.02 I had less program memory than now, but the problem NEVER occured.
I use sashimi - so on every ROM I use, the installed programs are the same.
Sometimes the problem occurs with 20M free program memory.
I have no idea anymore.
I like the new rom from Tom (Oops) cause it's faster than 4.02, but I think I've to return to 4.02.
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Andre
I found something:
HKLM\SOFTWARE\HTC\TastManager\EnableAutoKill = 1
Can this be the problem? I'll set the value to 0 and test.
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Andre
I think I have it.
With search after EnableAutoKill I found this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373128&page=2
br
Andre
tom' rom have a pagepool less than on vanilla - this can make a problem on his roms....
Problem solved
The problem is solved. It's really the terrible HTC Task manager.
If Autokill is enabled the task manager kills background applications if the free memory is under 9MB.
The pagepool is not the Problem cause Vanilla has the smallest PP size (5MB) - only indirect cause the free memory could be higher ;-).
I watched that sometimes a windows thread uses for only a very few seconds much memory. The free program menory fells from 18 suddenly to 9MB and returns immediately to 18MB. These few seconds are enough for the taskmanager to kill applications, but you don't realize that the memory was low.
After disabling this feature the system runs optimal.
regards
Andre
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Since I upgraded to WM6 I've been prompted several times when running any intensive apps (such as TomTom or CoPilot sat nav) that the storage space is getting low. I've tried to clear as much off the device as possible but there isn't much on it anyway! The stats are currently as below:
Storage: Total - 55.59MB, In Use - 9.72MB, Free - 45.87MB
Program: Total - 47.90MB, In Use - 23.62MB, Free - 24.28MB
This is once the device has been booted and with no applications run so I don't understand it really.
Another issue I've experienced is I've got the BatteryStatus today plugin running and have overclocked the device up to 286MHz. On WM5 TomTom would run fine being charged from the 12v socket in my car but since upgrading to WM6 it now gets very hot and causes the device to crash (white screen and doesn't respond to anything other than removing the battery) It'll run ok if I slow the clock speed down to 201MHz but it still gets very hot running off the car's power. Is this a WM6 issue or something else?
I'm very happy with the upgrade but it does seem to have caused a few annoying issues tbh.
markquinton said:
Since I upgraded to WM6 I've been prompted several times when running any intensive apps (such as TomTom or CoPilot sat nav) that the storage space is getting low. I've tried to clear as much off the device as possible but there isn't much on it anyway! The stats are currently as below:
Storage: Total - 55.59MB, In Use - 9.72MB, Free - 45.87MB
Program: Total - 47.90MB, In Use - 23.62MB, Free - 24.28MB
This is once the device has been booted and with no applications run so I don't understand it really.
Another issue I've experienced is I've got the BatteryStatus today plugin running and have overclocked the device up to 286MHz. On WM5 TomTom would run fine being charged from the 12v socket in my car but since upgrading to WM6 it now gets very hot and causes the device to crash (white screen and doesn't respond to anything other than removing the battery) It'll run ok if I slow the clock speed down to 201MHz but it still gets very hot running off the car's power. Is this a WM6 issue or something else?
I'm very happy with the upgrade but it does seem to have caused a few annoying issues tbh.
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Which WM6 Rom are you using?
Sorry should have stated, I'm using the nbh file Pof released. Its listed in Bepe's German -> WWE WM6 thread.
Hi,
I'v just woke up and noticed, that my program memory went from 25mb to 3,5mb. My phone was connected to my laptop and active sync for the whole night. I'm using Artemis Vanilla 2.0. I'v had the same problem with Artemis Vanilla 1.0 before. Is it normal, that Activesync acts like that ? No other programs running. Anyone had the same problem ? One and only solution was to soft reset (closeall and hibernate app doesn't help) the phone.
leez said:
Hi,
I'v just woke up and noticed, that my program memory went from 25mb to 3,5mb. My phone was connected to my laptop and active sync for the whole night. I'm using Artemis Vanilla 2.0. I'v had the same problem with Artemis Vanilla 1.0 before. Is it normal, that Activesync acts like that ? No other programs running. Anyone had the same problem ? One and only solution was to soft reset (closeall and hibernate app doesn't help) the phone.
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dont have the same issue...try a reflash....I keep mine connected all night also also...
leez said:
Hi,
I'v just woke up and noticed, that my program memory went from 25mb to 3,5mb. My phone was connected to my laptop and active sync for the whole night. I'm using Artemis Vanilla 2.0. I'v had the same problem with Artemis Vanilla 1.0 before. Is it normal, that Activesync acts like that ? No other programs running. Anyone had the same problem ? One and only solution was to soft reset (closeall and hibernate app doesn't help) the phone.
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Ditto... Mine's just been gradually eating memory until I soft reset. I thought it was Icontact or mortscript, so I've remved them and am monitoring the situation...
Not sure if this is helpful..but i am using Tomcodon V4.2 rom and i experience gradual decrease in memory.. usually from 22MB to 15MB.. running hibernate usually frees up anywhere between 500kb to 1MB. I haven't seen it dip below 10MB so far
leez said:
Hi,
I'v just woke up and noticed, that my program memory went from 25mb to 3,5mb. My phone was connected to my laptop and active sync for the whole night. I'm using Artemis Vanilla 2.0. I'v had the same problem with Artemis Vanilla 1.0 before. Is it normal, that Activesync acts like that ? No other programs running. Anyone had the same problem ? One and only solution was to soft reset (closeall and hibernate app doesn't help) the phone.
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Yes, I have the same issue. Active Sync seems to suck down a bunch of memory that cannot be recovered using hibernate or clear temp. Also, stuff doesn't work right if I try to disconnect while it's syncing or just in general after I disconnect. I'm to the point where I avoid connecting to it at all if I don't have to. And I use WM5 Storage instead most of the time. When I do connect to Active sync, I notice that it randomly trys to synchonize even when there's no changes made. Slows down the desktop as well as the phone. It's a real pain in the ass! I hate Active Sync now. I now just soft reset everytime I disconnect from Active Sync. I never had these problems with WM2003 - kept my ipac connected to it all night and it never tried to sync until I actually changed something. So I think the problem is with WM6 Active Sync.
Oh my goodness! Just noticed that my title now says "Senior Member" after my 100th post. I had to mark this one
I had the same problem with Vanilla 1.0 or Fracoons ROMS, but with Vanilla 2.0 I have no problem - after two days and several ActiveSync sessions there is still about 23-25 MB of available pgm memory
Well, just came back from work - 9h. My phone was in standby mode, 2 phone calls, memory : 23.38 mb, battery 94%. So it looks like Activesync problem.
Storage Memory Critically Low...
Hi! I think I'm having a similar problem.
I've been using my Hermes for almost 3 months. And I use the Oxios Hibernate and Oxios CloseApps to clear my cache from time to time. And I will reboot the unit every day or two. I practically don't save anything on My Device at all. All my music, video clips and photos are stored in my 2GB storage card.
But today, just out of the blue, I got a warning message to say that my Storage Memory is Critically Low.
When I checked under Memory, I noted that almost the entire 47MB Storage Memory has been used up. I had only 0.68MB left in My Device.
I've tried to do a number of Hibernate and CloseApps in a row. But that doesn't work at all.
Has anyone found any solution yet? Please share!
Thanks!
John
Well, basically try to do a hard reset , because I'm talking about different memory. I'v ment "Program memory", some cain of phone RAM, not the "Storage memory". 3 months is a long time and maybe your internet browser cashe files are taking to much space etc, etc...
jso905 said:
Hi! I think I'm having a similar problem.
I've been using my Hermes for almost 3 months. And I use the Oxios Hibernate and Oxios CloseApps to clear my cache from time to time. And I will reboot the unit every day or two. I practically don't save anything on My Device at all. All my music, video clips and photos are stored in my 2GB storage card.
But today, just out of the blue, I got a warning message to say that my Storage Memory is Critically Low.
When I checked under Memory, I noted that almost the entire 47MB Storage Memory has been used up. I had only 0.68MB left in My Device.
I've tried to do a number of Hibernate and CloseApps in a row. But that doesn't work at all.
Has anyone found any solution yet? Please share!
Thanks!
John
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You're in the wrong forum but I think you need to download ClearTemp application. Do you use songs for ringtones? How many files do you have on the device? ClearTemp will clear all your cache memory on the device, but there's something else going on here. At least that's a start.
I know there's probably no right answer for this, but i feel like my program memory is always very high and am wondering if that could be what contributes to my poor battery life.
I just started my phone and it says using 28.8MB out of 48.8 (which is lower than sometimes). One of the things that bothers me is when i run a few programs but then close them i don't always see the memory usage drop back down to below that 30MB mark. Sometimes it'll stay up at 35 even with all programs not running. I'm wondering what levels other people are seeing and if mine is high, why?
BTW, I am running K's WM6.0 on an 8525 of Radio 1.47.30.10
Im running MRH 4.5.1 which uses CRCs R9.1 and with my phone on for the last 24-36 hours I just closed all the running apps and checked my memory and Im at 27.35 MB in use and 21.33 MB free.
So compared to mine, yes yours does seem a little bit high, especially since I can launch stuff and fill up the memory but as soon as I close it all down Im right back to around 28 MB in use.
Depends on programs you've got installed and whether or not they are set to startup automatically.
After a reboot I am using 23.35 MB of ram.
Search in the /Windows/Startup folder and delete what you don't want to startup automatically.
Also keep in mind that every folder, start menu, settings, you open will use up some memory. For example if you go to Start/Settings and wait for it to load. Then click on the System Tab, you will notice it takes 1 second or so to open. If go back to the Personal Tab, and then click on the System Tab a 2nd time,,, you will notice it loads immediately. This is because all the "icons" are loaded into your memory. Same thing when you click on your Start Menu the 1st time, there is a slight delay. Then when you reopen it, it opens immediately.
This is common knowledge but closing an App with the X doesn't always actually close it. I recommend downloading a good task manager that allows you to view memory usage and processes. I'm using Task Manager 3.0 by Fdcsoft.
Then lastly, their is an app by Oxios called CloseApps 1.40,,, this will free up some memory even after you have ever application closed. I just used it to get the version number and I didn't have any app running. It just now freed up 3300kb of memory for me.
Folks,
Does anyone know how to disable WinMo's Autoclose feature on the Rhodium? It seems as soon as I have a large number of programs running on Stock Tmobile WinMo 6.1 it starts to automatically close down some, which is a problem.
Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks!
This can be done with Advanced Config tool. Under "HTC Task Manager" you can disable "Autokill".
However, I have no doubts that this is a bad idea. Your programs are closing because they're using up your available RAM. So if you disable autokill, your device will most likely just lock up and you'll have to soft reset.
Thank you for the note, has anyone tried to disable this function, will it really freeze the device under high usage?
I tried to open as many application as possible and got up to around 80% CPU usage before the application started closing automatically, but I feel I can squeeze more out of the device by disable AutoKill.
Any thoughts?
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This can be done with Advanced Config tool. Under "HTC Task Manager" you can disable "Autokill".
However, I have no doubts that this is a bad idea. Your programs are closing because they're using up your available RAM. So if you disable autokill, your device will most likely just lock up and you'll have to soft reset.
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Thank you for the note, has anyone tried to disable this function, will it really freeze the device under high usage?
I tried to open as many application as possible and got up to around 80% CPU usage before the application started closing automatically, but I feel I can squeeze more out of the device by disable AutoKill.
Any thoughts?
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Haha, seems like you might want to talk with this guy.
It also happens with my Hermes and Raphael..
It also happens with my Hermes and Raphael..
My Hermes (Dopod 838 pro) running official WM6 ROM
My Raphael (HTC Touch Pro) running stock WM6.1 ROM (Version 1.9)
It's a big problem, I can't keep my Twitter,downloader, and Messenger app to run at the background..
I have disabled the "auto kill" in HTC Task Manager with "Andvanced Config"..
I also have change the "memory thereshold" to 0 MB, then tried 1 MB, but the problem still there..
And this guy.. (me..) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575663
Yeah, sucks. I dunno if the Rhodium sudddenly launches a bunch of programs every X minutes? Where would that be besides in the notifications? I have lots of calendar entries, so kinda difficulty to look through that on my Tilt 2.
I can get mine down to 23-24 processes (minus a few standard things, but plus arielbattery, s2u2, a couple misc things) so one would THINK that gives you 8 or so free slots so if you're just running 2-3 more things no problem but that's NOT the case.. It seems like no matter what if you're running a few 'large' things, something goes.
In my case, I run Flexmail from 0800 to 23:30 and if I run 1-2 more things, Flexmail exits. Very annoying. I once wrote a Mortscript to detect this and re-run Flexmail, but guess what happens... Flexmail runs, one of the other programs exit. Sigh.
At one point I disabled autokill, reduced some memory cache stuff, etc... Nothing helps unless I exit several of my background apps and free up more slots.
Anyone know of anything that could monitor background processes, like battlog does battery info? Like it'd be interesting to see a snapshot every 1s of number of processes running or something.. be interesting to see if it's 22,22,22,30,22,22 all of a sudden.
BTW, I don't run TF3D, I run my Today screen stuff I did in 6.1.. PocketPlus, PhoneAlarm, GPSToday, PocketWeather, TodayAgenda..
I never had these problems on my Tilt, as I describe in my thread above.. With the same number of processes at 'idle', but with only 25-40M of ram free vs my Tilt 2 at 70-85M free my Tilt 2 drops programs constantly.
If I didn't see Flexmail exit (not *crash*) I'd think programs are crashing and there's some serious OS bug or something but Flexmail clearly cleanly exits..
Very effing annoying, I'm hoping someone can figure this out at some point. Perhaps I should try a cooked ROM, although otherwise I have no problems with my current ROM.
Hi!
I had a problem with my DHD - when I was playing 3D games it started to stutter i.e. my phone will work slow if the game runs. I checked the debugging USB in settings and the problem has gone.
It returned a few days ago, although I have checked debugging USB the games are slowing down (there're lags). I have only google account (any facebook, htc sense etc.) and I use Advanced Kill Manager.
My resources consumption in "rest" are: CPU - 3-20%, RAM - 274 MB (by Elixir), also I have free space - on phone 702 MB, and SD (class 4) 6,35 GB.
What now is the problem and how to fix it? How can I reduce the consumption of resources and although a little improve performance?
Thx for reply.
Hi. Could it be that you enable auto-sync? cause this will definitely contribute to lags if the data in sync'ing while you're playing games.
By the way, I would advice you to uninstall any task killers. It will not only consume more resources(e.g. battery) and it will also lag your device.
Today I did hard-reset (like before) and the problem has gone again.
Strange... Thx for advice
Task killers set to auto kill might slow your phone down, but using them to auto kill on say 3 hours, or never, will (in my opinion) help your phone.
Some apps might start hogging up resources and 3d games will start to lag, so whenever that happens, just kill any non important apps. Android isn't perfect with memory manegment..
Hope this helps!