Hello,
if i set in JASJAM gprs SMS in settings. will it make SMS cheaper?
thanks!
umm waht?
is it even possible to make sms cheaper???
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still goes through your carrier as a txt so my educated guess is no!
joshkoss said:
still goes through your carrier as a txt so my educated guess is no!
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how educated are you?
miffymiffy said:
how educated are you?
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Not very "edumacated" i recon it's just fun to mess with noobs and weird questions like this..
Seriously if your lookin to save money, search SMS over IP.. then sign up for a data plan and WHALA saved money
I've unlimited 3.5G Data plan for 35usd/month
Lol, wouldn't it be good to trick your carrier that way? or to avoid certain costs just by changing a setting like that?
*sigh*
=(
well there is one trick that works
install Fring, set ICQ.
add to ICQ all mobiles of all friends. send SMS using [email protected]
Works! free
No, using GPRS for SMS doesnt make it cheaper. It just makes the phone use the GPRS signaling network rather than the GSM Circuit-Switched one. It doesn't use the same GPRS data 'connection' as your GPRS 'internet connection'.
Using GPRS for SMS makes sending the SMS a bit quicker, but you probably wont notice the difference unless you send an SMS to many people at a time.
I would just say: price of an SMS send over GPRS is defined in your contract with your operator. We can try to guess which operator and what kind of contract you have but being you I would just take a look at the pricelist.
I reconfirm that in case of most operators there is no difference in price of one SMS over GSM and GPRS, but it's not technically impossible to charge different way and some operators could deicde so.
jakubd said:
I would just say: price of an SMS send over GPRS is defined in your contract with your operator. We can try to guess which operator and what kind of contract you have but being you I would just take a look at the pricelist.
I reconfirm that in case of most operators there is no difference in price of one SMS over GSM and GPRS, but it's not technically impossible to charge different way and some operators could deicde so.
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Thanks for clearing up sir!
jakubd said:
I would just say: price of an SMS send over GPRS is defined in your contract with your operator. We can try to guess which operator and what kind of contract you have but being you I would just take a look at the pricelist.
I reconfirm that in case of most operators there is no difference in price of one SMS over GSM and GPRS, but it's not technically impossible to charge different way and some operators could deicde so.
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Dear friend,
It depends on your operator cost plan.
Especilay if you send it through GPRS, it depends if you are charged on a PPB [Pay Per Byte] or PPM [Pay Per Minute] basis...
Cheers.
Kevlar-Source said:
It depends on your operator cost plan.
Especilay if you send it through GPRS, it depends if you are charged on a PPB [Pay Per Byte] or PPM [Pay Per Minute] basis...
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Hi guys,
Once again, sending SMS over GPRS does not incur charges from your GPRS *data* plan. It uses the GPRS *signaling channel* to send the SMS, not the actual bearer channel which carries the IP data (which is what your GPRS data plan covers).
This is similar to the standard "GSM" SMS, which uses the GSM signaling channel to carry the SMS, not the actual voice channel.
The signaling channel is the the one that your phone uses to communicate with the GSM/GPRS network to do all sorts of network-related stuff like registering to the network, mobility management (location updates, coordinating with the different radio base stations, etc.), handle the voice call or data session set-up, etc.
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I've had all three HTC products and really love the IIs. I also have a T-Mobile branded IPAQ 6315. On the IPAQ, I'm able to use GPRS to surf the net, and at the same time I can place calls, which is really helpful because I can view the screen while surfing and have the speaker-phone on so I can talk and look at the screen at the same time.
When using the IIs, I'm only able to use one at a time, or so it seems. Does the IIs have the capability of using both at the same time like the IPAQ? The IIs I bought has never been locked and was purchased new.
Thanks for your help, I live in the States.
Good question...
Any answer...
Come on we can't let HP beat us on this!
Hi,
well, this kind of feature will most likely never be available to an XDAIIs/MDAIII. What determines whether that is possible is the class of GSM chip being used. The iPAQ 6315 appears to be using a Class A chip, whereas the XDAIIs/MDAIII seems to have a Class B chip (http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml).
Treo
It only works after the page is finished loading.
Is your HP a CDMA version orGSM?
On GSM, you can't do GPRS and Voice at the same time - GPRS is suspended. Technology limitation.
UMTS you can, and I think CDMA2000
Anonymous said:
Is your HP a CDMA version orGSM?
On GSM, you can't do GPRS and Voice at the same time - GPRS is suspended. Technology limitation.
UMTS you can, and I think CDMA2000
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As said above: http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml. You can with Class A.
On my motorola phones the phone rings and the gprs stops. On the pda2k it just merrily keeps working and the phonecall goes to voicemail.
This is something I'd actually like to turn off as I prefer being interrupted if someone is trying to get hold of me.
Anyone know how its done?
jacoch said:
Anonymous said:
Is your HP a CDMA version orGSM?
On GSM, you can't do GPRS and Voice at the same time - GPRS is suspended. Technology limitation.
UMTS you can, and I think CDMA2000
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As said above: http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml. You can with Class A.
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Very clever - this is a TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION.
Can you name ONE device that is GPRS Class A?
For the other user - GPRS has been setup by most operators to be a secondary service, or in other words, a GSM call should go through. The only time this won't happen is if you are intensely receiving data for >2s, eg like during a mail sync or ftp download, where the GPRS modem is going flat out
it doesn't work
I used to use it with t-mobile on the 6315, and costumer service told me that it will never work, hardware limitations!
In fact every time i was online, I will miss calls and the will go to voicemail, not even ring!
I was hoping for it too!
:evil: :evil: :evil: I am looking for the same answer as well. Is there a settings on the IIs so that I could either take the call or deny the call while I am on GRPS session?
With the SE P910i it will do that with some tweeking on the connection name that may be specific to my operator (FIDO).
I used the following connection name on the P910i everything works perfectly afterwards:
<account name>
However, the PocketPC OS do not like <> characters in the connection name.
Southern_Man said:
Can you name ONE device that is GPRS Class A?
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Sony Ericsson P900 (my previous phone)
If you put GPRS/GSM on auto it quite happily let you do both at once. Occasionaly it warned you that outgoing phonecalls would suspend GPRS and likewise it dropped them on incoming calls, but 95% of the time I could surf+talk at the same time :-(
Whenever I connect my jasjar to gprs anyone trying to call me gets a "User not reachable" message.
I contacted my service provider and they told me that this is because all the four incoming ports are busy in data transfer that is why a user not reachable message is played.
This is a very big problem for me as I m connected to net most of the times and also dont want to miss any calls
Hoping someone has a solution.........
I had the same problem the other day on my XDA IIi, family trying to call and not getting through but i was playing around a lot on the web. I nearly always have my GPRS connected and usually don't have any problem receiving calls, must be just because i was downloading at the time.
Hey, there is a registry hack in the wiki about keeping gprs open all then time. Would there be another possible to keep one channel open for gsm all the time ??
regards,
Ruud
unfortunatly, this is the radio design or limitations of most gsm radios. It uses a radio that can only have GPRS active or Voice active. If you can use utms, you can have both utms and voice active.
It is only an issue when data is actually active (downloading or surfing) . Its ok if gprs is connected, only problem is when it is actually transmitting or receiving...
there is currently no utms network available at my place right now
Is there any way to keep one of the ports free for recieving voice calls only while others can take gprs data
Hi Pankaj bhai,
Assuming the signal strength is good...U will receive a call while u are surfing the net...but not when downloading any file...I use "GPRS Always ON" and I do not face any problems receving the calls.
Are you Airtel? I had this problem - when I was in Delhi - Had to call and ask them for FULL service.
Seems that they have partial GPRS and full GPRS.
Class 2 ( ithink this is what it is called) means that data call will be dropped when voice comes in - so if you are doing anything on web/dl - it should stop to give way for voice - which is not happening in your case.
I love UMTS - you can do both - my emails keep on arriving even when i am talking on phone.
ya nitin i m on airtel
I had complained to them regarding this bt they said this is a limitation with gprs technology and presently there is no solution
I dont have a prob while i m connected bt i dont recieve calls when downloading data.
by the way which umts u r using
No - the way GPRS is designed, data is bumped off when you get voice call. Those people at Airtel didnot know anything - so you have to keep on pressing. It was more than 1 year back in Delhi. Its called class 10 service (I think - not class b or c as i wrote earlier). That time there were 2 kinds of GPRS - 150rs (which they advertised and was crippled) and a hidden 499rs one. Its all about the number of channels used (sorry - I have not updated myself on 2.5G)
In short - you got to ask them - getting engage tone when you are using data is not service - Airtel is not giving you proper service. Ask softly first - then rudely (thats the only way they listen)
I am in Dubai - using Etisalat UMTS.
I am too with Airtel and that 150 Rs unlimited..using since 2002...In all these days with various cell phones...I found that receiving a call depends on the GPRS signal strength..if it is good...i still can receive tha call..I hv been able to receive a call while d/l from web.
Nitin is right people at Airtel are usless(Gadhe hai sale)
thanx 4 help guys
I now know what to ask for
probably i ll b able to get the full service now
But guys u r damn rite most of the ppl at airtel r idiots they r nt taught anything except talking blah blah
thats wht i love bout this forum nice helpfull ppl everywhere
I have an MDA C3. When web & walk is transferring internet Data and a call comes in, the phone does not ring. It goes directly to the voicemail.
T-Mobile customer service tell me that this is correct as you can either transfer internet data or make a call.
Is that right? I thought that was with WAP which is analagous to dial-up. Surely GPRS is analagous to Broadband.
Anyone else want to try this:
Go to Web & walk home page. Attempt loading up the guardian page (This will take a while). Whilst this is loading, call your phone number and see if it rings or goes direct to VM.
I spend lots of time browsing so I must be losing lots of calls!
Feedback greatly appreciated.
From what I have heard only UMTS devices can support simultaneous voice/data.
Yes - but not GRPS that uses GSM band instead of UMTS.
However, some devices have troubles keeping the data link active when a call comes in.
I am having the same issue (also on T-Mobile UK).
Then IE is running or AS is downloading my mail (I use direct push) all my calls go straight to voicemail.
This is worrying as I just moved over to T-Mobile for the web n walk package to allow me to have instant e-mails. This is a pain if it means I miss calls whilst my mail is downloading.
You'd think that the chances of the 2 coinciding are slim (I don't get a lot of mail, maybe 10 per day) but the wife has already complained 3 times since Friday that she went straight to voicemail, and each time it was exactly as i got a new mail.
Is this a limit of GPRS, the Orbit or just T-Mobile?
Thanks
Dae
I was surprised too... Thats why I posted the query. I thought my phone and/or SIm were faulty. But T-Mobile tell me thats how its supposed to work.
With W&W and Email, Its really hard for someone to get through with a voice call. It was worrying for me as I tend to browse the net whenever I am waiting around. This means that when I am on the bus surfing, no one can get through to me!!
Surely if there is a limitation, then the phone should give precendence to the Voice call. After all, you can pick up your emails or surfing where you left off.
I would really be interested to see if this is a T-Mobile only problem.
No itschase is spot on.
It's not a t-Mobile problem, it's the same for any GSM based network.
Only 3g (UMTS) phones can do data and voice at the same time. No matter what network you are on.
I have just run an experiment in the office as follows:-
Me (artemis with v3 black and blue) - Voicemail when data active
person 1 (MDA compact III - v3 black and blue) - Voicemail when active
person 2 (hermes) - no Voicemail when active.
We are all on t-mobile UK, and therefore it doesn't look like a network issue, but maybe a ROM problem?
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therefore it doesn't look like a network issue, but maybe a ROM problem?
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What problem? Everything is working as it supposed to. If it's so important to you. Go buy a 3g phone!
I now fully appreciate that 3g phones are the only ones to support this type of behaviour.
I was trying to be helpful and post the results of my test as at that point I didn't realise that only 3g phones worked as such. I was lead to believe this by wikipedia:-
"Class B
Can be connected to GPRS service and GSM service (voice, SMS), but using only one or the other at a given time. During GSM service (voice call or SMS), GPRS service is suspended, and then resumed automatically after the GSM service (voice call or SMS) has concluded. Most GPRS mobile devices are Class B. "
Obviously this is not the case.
Bring on the HTC Kaiser!!!
Gajet said:
What problem? Everything is working as it supposed to. If it's so important to you. Go buy a 3g phone!
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I incorrectly assumed that whilst browsing, if a voice call comes in, the phone would give priority to the call.
If I had known what I know now at the time I signed my 18M contract I would have bought a 3g Phone! Its just annoying that i'm stuck with it for another 12M. T-Mobile push the fact that they have set the internet free... but what they fail to get across to everyday users is that its "AT THE EXPENSE OF THE VOICE CALLS"
Because T-Mobile forced you to buy one of their 2.5g phones rather than one of their 3g phones?
I have no problem receiving phone calls while browsing the internet on the P3300.
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I have no problem receiving phone calls while browsing the internet on the P3300.
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Neither have I to be honest, the issue only arises while you are actively downloading data. However once the website has loaded, you are free to accept calls again whilst still looking at the site in the browser.
Gajet said:
Neither have I to be honest, the issue only arises while you are actively downloading data. However once the website has loaded, you are free to accept calls again whilst still looking at the site in the browser.
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As a test I started downloading a dummy 32MB testfile on my P3300 (from speedtest.bbned.nl) and I called my mobile with another phone.
There was no problem; I received the call while downloading the file.
Maybe it depends on the operator? I am in Holland on T-Mobile
daesimps said:
I now fully appreciate that 3g phones are the only ones to support this type of behaviour.
I was trying to be helpful and post the results of my test as at that point I didn't realise that only 3g phones worked as such. I was lead to believe this by wikipedia:-
"Class B
Can be connected to GPRS service and GSM service (voice, SMS), but using only one or the other at a given time. During GSM service (voice call or SMS), GPRS service is suspended, and then resumed automatically after the GSM service (voice call or SMS) has concluded. Most GPRS mobile devices are Class B. "
Obviously this is not the case.
Bring on the HTC Kaiser!!!
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Hi,
It's not enough to have a class A (2G) device, but also DTM (Dual Transfer Mode/Simple Class A) support has to be active in the specific network, otherwise only 3G device on 3G network will provide Class A (simultaneous voice & data).
In fact, there are quite many models from Nokia during last year that support DTM, but as already mentioned, it's not enough.
FYI,
Zohar
cduijker said:
As a test I started downloading a dummy 32MB testfile on my P3300 (from speedtest.bbned.nl) and I called my mobile with another phone.
There was no problem; I received the call while downloading the file.
Maybe it depends on the operator? I am in Holland on T-Mobile
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Is that an EDGE network ?
I got the Artemis with PV Black&Blue v3 ROM.
I can receive calls while pages are loading in IE.
I think this is a provider problem.
The phone provider has to intercept your GPRS connection and establish the GSM connection. Maybe T-Mobile just rejects calls while a GPRS connection/transfer is active.
A1 intercepts the page download and my call comes in.
When I pick up, the GPRS connection is closed completely. (not just pending)
So receiving calls while surfing is no problem for me with Austrian A1 provider.
Any other experiences?
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Is that an EDGE network ?
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no, just gprs; no edge.
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no, just gprs; no edge.
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...then it's no way you'll get simultaneous voice and data (class a).
Can You No Have the plan and still have the internet ...
like Not have it and not get charged for it?????
bountyman334 said:
Can You No Have the plan and still have the internet ...
like Not have it and not get charged for it?????
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Okay...for your safety--I'd suggest that you not bring up this topic ever again. lol ...no, but seriously...lol This is an extremely touchy subject among some users in this forum and it might be in your best interest to just--let it go. So to answer your question...the answer is no.
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Okay...for your safety--I'd suggest that you not bring up this topic ever again. lol ...no, but seriously...lol This is an extremely touchy subject among some users in this forum and it might be in your best interest to just--let it go. So to answer your question...the answer is no.
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I do not see why it would be touchy because I mean its not FREE you are still paying for you it you know. I mean if it was free then its stealing, but if you pay for it then its not stealing.
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I do not see why it would be touchy because I mean its not FREE you are still paying for you it you know. I mean if it was free then its stealing, but if you pay for it then its not stealing.
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Raz...you obviously didn't read the thread "Limewire with 5.99 T-Zones..."?! Take a gander at that when you have some free time.
So ..... if i dont have The "5.99 Plan" ,,, then i have no internet or is there a way to get internet without it???...
but i got my opera and i.e. & yahoo 3.0 beta working off it and i was just wondering could it stilll work without it>.....!!!
tisk tisk tisk....
bountyman334 said:
So ..... if i dont have The "5.99 Plan" ,,, then i have no internet or is there a way to get internet without it???...
but i got my opera and i.e. & yahoo 3.0 beta working off it and i was just wondering could it stilll work without it>.....!!!
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As far as I know, there are no methods of getting internet access without paying at least for the $5.99 T-Zones plan. I have heard (and experienced this once myself) that people haven't had the $19.99 unlim. data plan or the $5.99 T-Zones and still have had internet access. But it was a fluke. It would come and go. Maybe it was a slip-up by the T-Mobile servers or something.
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Okay...for your safety--I'd suggest that you not bring up this topic ever again. lol ...no, but seriously...lol This is an extremely touchy subject among some users in this forum and it might be in your best interest to just--let it go. So to answer your question...the answer is no.
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Why bull**** the guy? He asked nicely. Touchy or not; if it is possible who wants to use it he can, who does not he does not have to.
Connections:
GPRS Settings:
PAP
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Connections:
GPRS
Name -T-Mobile Data
Connects to - Work
Access point - wap.voicestream.com
Authentication type - PAP
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Connections:
Proxy
Name - T-Zones
Connects from - Work
Connects to - The Internet
Proxy - 216.155.165.50:8080
Type: HTTP
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E-Mail Settings
Set up your E-Mail account and then go back into Account Settings, and change connection from The Internet to Work
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PIe & Opera Mobile
Uncheck automatically ....
Connection The Internet (enables both WiFi and Data)
If that does not work alternate between Wap for Data and The Internet for WiFi
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There you go
So now this guy just told him how to steal T-Mobile services. LMFAO
You characters are a fukn classic.
es_bih said:
Why bull**** the guy? He asked nicely. Touchy or not; if it is possible who wants to use it he can, who does not he does not have to.
Connections:
GPRS Settings:
PAP
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Connections:
GPRS
Name -T-Mobile Data
Connects to - Work
Access point - wap.voicestream.com
Authentication type - PAP
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Connections:
Proxy
Name - T-Zones
Connects from - Work
Connects to - The Internet
Proxy - 216.155.165.50:8080
Type: HTTP
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E-Mail Settings
Set up your E-Mail account and then go back into Account Settings, and change connection from The Internet to Work
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PIe & Opera Mobile
Uncheck automatically ....
Connection The Internet (enables both WiFi and Data)
If that does not work alternate between Wap for Data and The Internet for WiFi
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There you go
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First of all, nobody's 'bs'ing the guy. I told him what I knew and left it at that. The only proxy tweak I knew of is for the $5.99 T-Zones. As far as the tweak to get free internet for nothing--I couldn't help him there. If you had read my post you would've realized that.
C'mooon Everything is this forum is form of stealing .
All ROMs are stealing too... why not Internet? .
Pretty two faces here.
we dont steal roms....we remake them.
I paid for the phone with a ROM.
I remake that rom.
Getting services without paying anything for, that is stealing
Example...your neighbor has internet. He has a wireless connection without a passkey. You tap into that signal.
Is that considered stealing?
I got the 5.99 plan .... I was just asking. is there a way to not have it and still have internet ,... just a simple question! My nokia 6133 is unlocked and it has internet with my uncle Sim Card and he doesn't have the 5.99 plan and i just thought that was weird so i asked you guys...
Settings not working
es_bih said:
Why bull**** the guy? He asked nicely. Touchy or not; if it is possible who wants to use it he can, who does not he does not have to.
Connections:
GPRS Settings:
PAP
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Connections:
GPRS
Name -T-Mobile Data
Connects to - Work
Access point - wap.voicestream.com
Authentication type - PAP
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Connections:
Proxy
Name - T-Zones
Connects from - Work
Connects to - The Internet
Proxy - 216.155.165.50:8080
Type: HTTP
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E-Mail Settings
Set up your E-Mail account and then go back into Account Settings, and change connection from The Internet to Work
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PIe & Opera Mobile
Uncheck automatically ....
Connection The Internet (enables both WiFi and Data)
If that does not work alternate between Wap for Data and The Internet for WiFi
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There you go
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Hey i just got the 5.99 tzones option added and I believe I have everything set according to that, but the internet nor the email is working.
Those are the settings for WM 6 and WM 6.1. They should work on your Windows Mobile device.
Mikey1022 said:
we dont steal roms....we remake them.
I paid for the phone with a ROM.
I remake that rom.
Getting services without paying anything for, that is stealing
Example...your neighbor has internet. He has a wireless connection without a passkey. You tap into that signal.
Is that considered stealing?
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Dude, when you buy a music CD and make 100 copies - you pay for one, but other 100 is simple stealing.
Read License to WM and you will see - any modification is forbidden.
Sharing is forbidden too.
There is no little or big crime - every crime is crime no matter how big or small you think it is.
Moral/legal ****z here is just offtopic .
It's not like this is top secret info anyway, it's posted in several other threads.
I'm currently using WM6.1 that I didn't pay for or remake. I came here and asked questions and nice folks helped me out. Am I a criminal? Let it go, we're all friends here.
Stealing is not paying, we are still paying 5.99 for it so I do not understand how its stealing since your paying for it.
yeah i got it to work
bountyman334 said:
So ..... if i dont have The "5.99 Plan" ,,, then i have no internet or is there a way to get internet without it???...
but i got my opera and i.e. & yahoo 3.0 beta working off it and i was just wondering could it stilll work without it>.....!!!
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Umm, you were connected another way at the time? Via USB, WiFi or a Bluetooth link.
In Norway I live close to the border to Sweden. I have to roam in my area to a Norwegian Network, because my phone company only have their own network in the big cities here. Before I had an operator the had their own networks in my city.
So when I now roam with the other Norwegian network, I have to disable that "Disable network data when roaming". And sometimes I now get connected to the Swedish network and have to pay 20x times more pr MB.
Is there a way to disable 3G/2G on different networks of my choice?
Hope someone know of something that will help.
Sorry for my English.
Setting-wireless and network-mobile network-dataroming unchecked
Something like this cause mine is in dutch.
Like I said, I have to have it unched cous of my network today is not the default of my operator, so I'm romaing all the time when I use my phone. I want something that can read the operators name and then enable the 2G/3G data connection is it is one of the networks I've accepted. If it's not, then disable the connection.
Cant help you with your roamaing problem, Sorry. But maybe you should consider going back to your old network. If you have no signal at your home you may have the right to cancel your contract.
The clue is that I pay 20£(with use in Norway) until 1.1.2011 to use the phone(sms/mms, calls, MB) as much as I want for only 20£. After 1.1.2011 I'll pay 20£ for 500sms, 500 minutes and 500MB.
But that only works with the operator network and the one they rent(like I use). The one I rent belongs to Telenor, the biggest phone company, as they have the best signal too, I want to stick. But they suck at priceing, so I want to be with my new operator.
But why is it so hard to read the operator name with an app? Than then can enable/disable data connection?
My phone is Desire and it is rooted, running OpenDesire.
Sorry for misunderstanding the first time.
One option you could try is Tasker. I think it has the option to turn data off/on when connected to a certain cell tower. It's not the exact thing you asked for but i don't know any other options.
You have to program it yourself, but just download the app from there site (gives you a 7 day trial) and try it if you can make it work.
Cell Tower, is that the operators ID or the tower itselfe(a operator has many towers)?