I've had all three HTC products and really love the IIs. I also have a T-Mobile branded IPAQ 6315. On the IPAQ, I'm able to use GPRS to surf the net, and at the same time I can place calls, which is really helpful because I can view the screen while surfing and have the speaker-phone on so I can talk and look at the screen at the same time.
When using the IIs, I'm only able to use one at a time, or so it seems. Does the IIs have the capability of using both at the same time like the IPAQ? The IIs I bought has never been locked and was purchased new.
Thanks for your help, I live in the States.
Good question...
Any answer...
Come on we can't let HP beat us on this!
Hi,
well, this kind of feature will most likely never be available to an XDAIIs/MDAIII. What determines whether that is possible is the class of GSM chip being used. The iPAQ 6315 appears to be using a Class A chip, whereas the XDAIIs/MDAIII seems to have a Class B chip (http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml).
Treo
It only works after the page is finished loading.
Is your HP a CDMA version orGSM?
On GSM, you can't do GPRS and Voice at the same time - GPRS is suspended. Technology limitation.
UMTS you can, and I think CDMA2000
Anonymous said:
Is your HP a CDMA version orGSM?
On GSM, you can't do GPRS and Voice at the same time - GPRS is suspended. Technology limitation.
UMTS you can, and I think CDMA2000
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As said above: http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml. You can with Class A.
On my motorola phones the phone rings and the gprs stops. On the pda2k it just merrily keeps working and the phonecall goes to voicemail.
This is something I'd actually like to turn off as I prefer being interrupted if someone is trying to get hold of me.
Anyone know how its done?
jacoch said:
Anonymous said:
Is your HP a CDMA version orGSM?
On GSM, you can't do GPRS and Voice at the same time - GPRS is suspended. Technology limitation.
UMTS you can, and I think CDMA2000
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As said above: http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml. You can with Class A.
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Very clever - this is a TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION.
Can you name ONE device that is GPRS Class A?
For the other user - GPRS has been setup by most operators to be a secondary service, or in other words, a GSM call should go through. The only time this won't happen is if you are intensely receiving data for >2s, eg like during a mail sync or ftp download, where the GPRS modem is going flat out
it doesn't work
I used to use it with t-mobile on the 6315, and costumer service told me that it will never work, hardware limitations!
In fact every time i was online, I will miss calls and the will go to voicemail, not even ring!
I was hoping for it too!
:evil: :evil: :evil: I am looking for the same answer as well. Is there a settings on the IIs so that I could either take the call or deny the call while I am on GRPS session?
With the SE P910i it will do that with some tweeking on the connection name that may be specific to my operator (FIDO).
I used the following connection name on the P910i everything works perfectly afterwards:
<account name>
However, the PocketPC OS do not like <> characters in the connection name.
Southern_Man said:
Can you name ONE device that is GPRS Class A?
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Sony Ericsson P900 (my previous phone)
If you put GPRS/GSM on auto it quite happily let you do both at once. Occasionaly it warned you that outgoing phonecalls would suspend GPRS and likewise it dropped them on incoming calls, but 95% of the time I could surf+talk at the same time :-(
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Ok. i bought an XDA2s a while back, and modified the rom to the latest iMate rom. on the irish o2 site (where i bought the phone), in the XDA2s FAQs page (http://web.o2.ie/business/phones_and_devices/xda/xda2s/faqs.jsp) (number 2) they state that you cannot recieve calls when your downloading from GPRS. my question is: Is this a network problem or is it a device thing? i have moved network (Vodafone Ireland). i have not had a chance to try it out, but i just wanted to find out if anyone knows. My reason for asking is if there ever is a release of windows mobile 5 for the BA and you use it talking to exchange for the push email, will you ever be able to get a phone call?
It's a device limitation. Phone calls always supersede GPRS so your GPRS connection will be temporarily cut off when you get a phone call.
So, the device will kill the GPRS connection when a call comes in so i can answer the call? Well then O2s FAQ is wrong then. both cannot be used, but the phone will ring and not transfer to the message minder. sweet. thats what i wanted to know.
Thanks!
Whenever I connect my jasjar to gprs anyone trying to call me gets a "User not reachable" message.
I contacted my service provider and they told me that this is because all the four incoming ports are busy in data transfer that is why a user not reachable message is played.
This is a very big problem for me as I m connected to net most of the times and also dont want to miss any calls
Hoping someone has a solution.........
I had the same problem the other day on my XDA IIi, family trying to call and not getting through but i was playing around a lot on the web. I nearly always have my GPRS connected and usually don't have any problem receiving calls, must be just because i was downloading at the time.
Hey, there is a registry hack in the wiki about keeping gprs open all then time. Would there be another possible to keep one channel open for gsm all the time ??
regards,
Ruud
unfortunatly, this is the radio design or limitations of most gsm radios. It uses a radio that can only have GPRS active or Voice active. If you can use utms, you can have both utms and voice active.
It is only an issue when data is actually active (downloading or surfing) . Its ok if gprs is connected, only problem is when it is actually transmitting or receiving...
there is currently no utms network available at my place right now
Is there any way to keep one of the ports free for recieving voice calls only while others can take gprs data
Hi Pankaj bhai,
Assuming the signal strength is good...U will receive a call while u are surfing the net...but not when downloading any file...I use "GPRS Always ON" and I do not face any problems receving the calls.
Are you Airtel? I had this problem - when I was in Delhi - Had to call and ask them for FULL service.
Seems that they have partial GPRS and full GPRS.
Class 2 ( ithink this is what it is called) means that data call will be dropped when voice comes in - so if you are doing anything on web/dl - it should stop to give way for voice - which is not happening in your case.
I love UMTS - you can do both - my emails keep on arriving even when i am talking on phone.
ya nitin i m on airtel
I had complained to them regarding this bt they said this is a limitation with gprs technology and presently there is no solution
I dont have a prob while i m connected bt i dont recieve calls when downloading data.
by the way which umts u r using
No - the way GPRS is designed, data is bumped off when you get voice call. Those people at Airtel didnot know anything - so you have to keep on pressing. It was more than 1 year back in Delhi. Its called class 10 service (I think - not class b or c as i wrote earlier). That time there were 2 kinds of GPRS - 150rs (which they advertised and was crippled) and a hidden 499rs one. Its all about the number of channels used (sorry - I have not updated myself on 2.5G)
In short - you got to ask them - getting engage tone when you are using data is not service - Airtel is not giving you proper service. Ask softly first - then rudely (thats the only way they listen)
I am in Dubai - using Etisalat UMTS.
I am too with Airtel and that 150 Rs unlimited..using since 2002...In all these days with various cell phones...I found that receiving a call depends on the GPRS signal strength..if it is good...i still can receive tha call..I hv been able to receive a call while d/l from web.
Nitin is right people at Airtel are usless(Gadhe hai sale)
thanx 4 help guys
I now know what to ask for
probably i ll b able to get the full service now
But guys u r damn rite most of the ppl at airtel r idiots they r nt taught anything except talking blah blah
thats wht i love bout this forum nice helpfull ppl everywhere
I have an MDA C3. When web & walk is transferring internet Data and a call comes in, the phone does not ring. It goes directly to the voicemail.
T-Mobile customer service tell me that this is correct as you can either transfer internet data or make a call.
Is that right? I thought that was with WAP which is analagous to dial-up. Surely GPRS is analagous to Broadband.
Anyone else want to try this:
Go to Web & walk home page. Attempt loading up the guardian page (This will take a while). Whilst this is loading, call your phone number and see if it rings or goes direct to VM.
I spend lots of time browsing so I must be losing lots of calls!
Feedback greatly appreciated.
From what I have heard only UMTS devices can support simultaneous voice/data.
Yes - but not GRPS that uses GSM band instead of UMTS.
However, some devices have troubles keeping the data link active when a call comes in.
I am having the same issue (also on T-Mobile UK).
Then IE is running or AS is downloading my mail (I use direct push) all my calls go straight to voicemail.
This is worrying as I just moved over to T-Mobile for the web n walk package to allow me to have instant e-mails. This is a pain if it means I miss calls whilst my mail is downloading.
You'd think that the chances of the 2 coinciding are slim (I don't get a lot of mail, maybe 10 per day) but the wife has already complained 3 times since Friday that she went straight to voicemail, and each time it was exactly as i got a new mail.
Is this a limit of GPRS, the Orbit or just T-Mobile?
Thanks
Dae
I was surprised too... Thats why I posted the query. I thought my phone and/or SIm were faulty. But T-Mobile tell me thats how its supposed to work.
With W&W and Email, Its really hard for someone to get through with a voice call. It was worrying for me as I tend to browse the net whenever I am waiting around. This means that when I am on the bus surfing, no one can get through to me!!
Surely if there is a limitation, then the phone should give precendence to the Voice call. After all, you can pick up your emails or surfing where you left off.
I would really be interested to see if this is a T-Mobile only problem.
No itschase is spot on.
It's not a t-Mobile problem, it's the same for any GSM based network.
Only 3g (UMTS) phones can do data and voice at the same time. No matter what network you are on.
I have just run an experiment in the office as follows:-
Me (artemis with v3 black and blue) - Voicemail when data active
person 1 (MDA compact III - v3 black and blue) - Voicemail when active
person 2 (hermes) - no Voicemail when active.
We are all on t-mobile UK, and therefore it doesn't look like a network issue, but maybe a ROM problem?
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therefore it doesn't look like a network issue, but maybe a ROM problem?
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What problem? Everything is working as it supposed to. If it's so important to you. Go buy a 3g phone!
I now fully appreciate that 3g phones are the only ones to support this type of behaviour.
I was trying to be helpful and post the results of my test as at that point I didn't realise that only 3g phones worked as such. I was lead to believe this by wikipedia:-
"Class B
Can be connected to GPRS service and GSM service (voice, SMS), but using only one or the other at a given time. During GSM service (voice call or SMS), GPRS service is suspended, and then resumed automatically after the GSM service (voice call or SMS) has concluded. Most GPRS mobile devices are Class B. "
Obviously this is not the case.
Bring on the HTC Kaiser!!!
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What problem? Everything is working as it supposed to. If it's so important to you. Go buy a 3g phone!
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I incorrectly assumed that whilst browsing, if a voice call comes in, the phone would give priority to the call.
If I had known what I know now at the time I signed my 18M contract I would have bought a 3g Phone! Its just annoying that i'm stuck with it for another 12M. T-Mobile push the fact that they have set the internet free... but what they fail to get across to everyday users is that its "AT THE EXPENSE OF THE VOICE CALLS"
Because T-Mobile forced you to buy one of their 2.5g phones rather than one of their 3g phones?
I have no problem receiving phone calls while browsing the internet on the P3300.
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I have no problem receiving phone calls while browsing the internet on the P3300.
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Neither have I to be honest, the issue only arises while you are actively downloading data. However once the website has loaded, you are free to accept calls again whilst still looking at the site in the browser.
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Neither have I to be honest, the issue only arises while you are actively downloading data. However once the website has loaded, you are free to accept calls again whilst still looking at the site in the browser.
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As a test I started downloading a dummy 32MB testfile on my P3300 (from speedtest.bbned.nl) and I called my mobile with another phone.
There was no problem; I received the call while downloading the file.
Maybe it depends on the operator? I am in Holland on T-Mobile
daesimps said:
I now fully appreciate that 3g phones are the only ones to support this type of behaviour.
I was trying to be helpful and post the results of my test as at that point I didn't realise that only 3g phones worked as such. I was lead to believe this by wikipedia:-
"Class B
Can be connected to GPRS service and GSM service (voice, SMS), but using only one or the other at a given time. During GSM service (voice call or SMS), GPRS service is suspended, and then resumed automatically after the GSM service (voice call or SMS) has concluded. Most GPRS mobile devices are Class B. "
Obviously this is not the case.
Bring on the HTC Kaiser!!!
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Hi,
It's not enough to have a class A (2G) device, but also DTM (Dual Transfer Mode/Simple Class A) support has to be active in the specific network, otherwise only 3G device on 3G network will provide Class A (simultaneous voice & data).
In fact, there are quite many models from Nokia during last year that support DTM, but as already mentioned, it's not enough.
FYI,
Zohar
cduijker said:
As a test I started downloading a dummy 32MB testfile on my P3300 (from speedtest.bbned.nl) and I called my mobile with another phone.
There was no problem; I received the call while downloading the file.
Maybe it depends on the operator? I am in Holland on T-Mobile
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Is that an EDGE network ?
I got the Artemis with PV Black&Blue v3 ROM.
I can receive calls while pages are loading in IE.
I think this is a provider problem.
The phone provider has to intercept your GPRS connection and establish the GSM connection. Maybe T-Mobile just rejects calls while a GPRS connection/transfer is active.
A1 intercepts the page download and my call comes in.
When I pick up, the GPRS connection is closed completely. (not just pending)
So receiving calls while surfing is no problem for me with Austrian A1 provider.
Any other experiences?
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Is that an EDGE network ?
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no, just gprs; no edge.
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no, just gprs; no edge.
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...then it's no way you'll get simultaneous voice and data (class a).
Hi all
I experienced some problems since I upgraded to WM 6 (official Tytn Europe Version)
If there is a active Datatransfer in HSDPA Mode, i cannot make or receive a phone call. I already tried several Radio Versions (1.43/1.48/1.50), but no success. When I disable HSDPA, it works fine.
Does anybody has same issues with HSDPA?
Thanks
Marc
Vodafone issue
Hi - are you using a vodafone network? I know that there are issues on the network that are preventing some operators from supporting voice and data at teh same time over HSDPA....
The operators I know about are planning network upgrades or patches to solve the issues (which are not just limited to Windows Mobile devices apparently)
I can make calls -> versions below I don't think this is just a phone issue though. I think some operators can't do it.
I have the same problem as you have.
It is because of the infrastructure of my provider KPN that I have this problem. When I disable HSDPA then all works fine. So no I only use HSDPA when I want to browse on the Internet.
****ty but now I know why.........
Hi all
Thanks for the confirmation.
I also disabled HSDPA for now.
Now I will the push the guys in the network department to fix this issue......
Just got the answer from the tech guys. Operators with Ericsson UMTS/HSDPA Network Equipment are affected by this. The Operator has to rollout a software update to fix this issue.
Cheers
Marc
I am on AT&T and have never been able to do data and voice at hte same time.
I'm on At-T in Nyc and my HSDPA works just fine calls while on data and vice versa
I'm in South Florida and I'm constantly using Internet Sharing in HDSPA mode while talking on my Jawbone... (takes "jawbone of an ass" to a whole new level, ehehehe!)
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I'm in South Florida and I'm constantly using Internet Sharing in HDSPA mode while talking on my Jawbone... (takes "jawbone of an ass" to a whole new level, ehehehe!)
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OK, now THAT is the funniest thing I've read here! Thanks for the laugh!
I saw the jawbone at the ATT/Cingy store and wondered if I should splurge on it since I already have an H500 and an H700 from Motorola. My problem is I ride bike a lot and the wind noise makes it impossible to have a conversation with an H500. It is possible but a little difficult to talk while riding using the H700. I was wondering if you had any experience with the Jawbone under similar conditions?
Regards,
George
OOPs - That was meant to be PM, sorry folks!
The Hermes is able to do both. Phone calls and data (HSDPA\GPRS\EDGE) at the same time. Your data speed does take a hit due to bandwith.
However if you cannot is because is 99.999% the network NOT the phone. I had a Hermes long before the network here in Canada supported HSDPA. So I could only do one at the time. At the beginning of this year they finally updated it and I have been doing both at the same time with wild abandon no problem.
Check with your provider.
@gmgonzal - the Jawbone will probably be the best you can find for your enviroment. I only use it in my Toyota when driving. People can't tell that I'm on a cell phone. I had a NxZen which I liked for a while but this is better, IMO.
@agovinoveritas - indded, that's the biggest reason I upgraded to the 8525... no more missed calls when I'm using the internet (or receiving an email at the same time..)
It's the network. All operators that use Ericsson 3G equipment suffer from a bug in the Ericsson kit that prevents simultaneous data/voice. All Nokia equipment works fine. T-Mobile in the NL use Nokia and have no issues. KPN and Vodafone NL use Ericsson and have this issue. KPN are currently upgrading their Ericsson equipment to correct this issue (ETA end 2007). I do not know about Vodafone NL. It is safe to assume that in other countries these providers use the same kit so you should be fine with TMO, regardless of where you are.
Does this issue include that my telephoneconversation can be disconnected?
I had this problem with the WWE WM5 HTC rom using the Vodafone NL network. Now I have uograded to the Dopod WM6 ANZ version it's all fine...
Hello,
if i set in JASJAM gprs SMS in settings. will it make SMS cheaper?
thanks!
umm waht?
is it even possible to make sms cheaper???
Noob Thread Openers
still goes through your carrier as a txt so my educated guess is no!
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still goes through your carrier as a txt so my educated guess is no!
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how educated are you?
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how educated are you?
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Not very "edumacated" i recon it's just fun to mess with noobs and weird questions like this..
Seriously if your lookin to save money, search SMS over IP.. then sign up for a data plan and WHALA saved money
I've unlimited 3.5G Data plan for 35usd/month
Lol, wouldn't it be good to trick your carrier that way? or to avoid certain costs just by changing a setting like that?
*sigh*
=(
well there is one trick that works
install Fring, set ICQ.
add to ICQ all mobiles of all friends. send SMS using [email protected]
Works! free
No, using GPRS for SMS doesnt make it cheaper. It just makes the phone use the GPRS signaling network rather than the GSM Circuit-Switched one. It doesn't use the same GPRS data 'connection' as your GPRS 'internet connection'.
Using GPRS for SMS makes sending the SMS a bit quicker, but you probably wont notice the difference unless you send an SMS to many people at a time.
I would just say: price of an SMS send over GPRS is defined in your contract with your operator. We can try to guess which operator and what kind of contract you have but being you I would just take a look at the pricelist.
I reconfirm that in case of most operators there is no difference in price of one SMS over GSM and GPRS, but it's not technically impossible to charge different way and some operators could deicde so.
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I would just say: price of an SMS send over GPRS is defined in your contract with your operator. We can try to guess which operator and what kind of contract you have but being you I would just take a look at the pricelist.
I reconfirm that in case of most operators there is no difference in price of one SMS over GSM and GPRS, but it's not technically impossible to charge different way and some operators could deicde so.
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Thanks for clearing up sir!
jakubd said:
I would just say: price of an SMS send over GPRS is defined in your contract with your operator. We can try to guess which operator and what kind of contract you have but being you I would just take a look at the pricelist.
I reconfirm that in case of most operators there is no difference in price of one SMS over GSM and GPRS, but it's not technically impossible to charge different way and some operators could deicde so.
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Dear friend,
It depends on your operator cost plan.
Especilay if you send it through GPRS, it depends if you are charged on a PPB [Pay Per Byte] or PPM [Pay Per Minute] basis...
Cheers.
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It depends on your operator cost plan.
Especilay if you send it through GPRS, it depends if you are charged on a PPB [Pay Per Byte] or PPM [Pay Per Minute] basis...
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Hi guys,
Once again, sending SMS over GPRS does not incur charges from your GPRS *data* plan. It uses the GPRS *signaling channel* to send the SMS, not the actual bearer channel which carries the IP data (which is what your GPRS data plan covers).
This is similar to the standard "GSM" SMS, which uses the GSM signaling channel to carry the SMS, not the actual voice channel.
The signaling channel is the the one that your phone uses to communicate with the GSM/GPRS network to do all sorts of network-related stuff like registering to the network, mobility management (location updates, coordinating with the different radio base stations, etc.), handle the voice call or data session set-up, etc.