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i am thinking about getting the touch pro2 but i am thinking how i could do this without data
so if i sign up for the phone and get the data and then 10 days later say the phone got stolen and put the sim card in a old motorola razr and tell them is this my replacement will that work? or are they going to still make pay for data service
i had att in the past and i was able to do that with them i don't know how understanding or lenient the tm csr's are.
if you tell them that it was stolen then they will block your imei. just call them and say you dont want the data plan. or get it for a short amount of time. then say that you have a different phone
Well you can buy the phone outright without a data plan but that could get expensive. I would just get it and then cancel the data plan later.
I went with Tmobile: 39.99 for 300 min + myfaves, 24.99 unlimited net + 400 msgs = I'm using Google Voice with this thing which brings me to unlimited mins/msgs if I ever go over. The internet plan is totally worth it. And it is the cheapest one out there.
radek_mazur said:
I went with Tmobile: 39.99 for 300 min + myfaves, 24.99 unlimited net + 400 msgs = I'm using Google Voice with this thing which brings me to unlimited mins/msgs if I ever go over. The internet plan is totally worth it. And it is the cheapest one out there.
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I thought the 24.99 plan no longer included msgs, was that grandfathered?
There is a unlimited msg + data for 34.99 together I know that but I never heard of the 24.99 internet coming with 400 messages. I guess it wouldn't matter for me because I use more then 400 messages a month.
there used to be a plan with messages but it was removed so u only have it if grandfathered in.
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there used to be a plan with messages but it was removed so u only have it if grandfathered in.
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they stopped that plan about 3 months ago
and to the OP, in regards of taking off the data plan later on, you cant do it. its a requirement in purchasing the phone and cannot be removed without an early termination fee. T-mobile can see what phone you are using, when was the last day you used it, and your IMEI, so reporting it stolen will not do you much good
??? you are getting an internet phone that costs $350 w/ a 2 year contract and can't afford $25 extra per month??? WHY bother? and please don't say to use the wifi, you can get a netbook for less and no contract. keep your razr.
25 dollars a month totals up to 1100 over the two year contract. MUCH more than the cost of the phone unlocked. And remember, some people DO have wifi most of the places that find themselves throughout their normal days. This means that should they happen to need 3G or EDGE or whatever cell connection is available to them, it behooves them more to pay the small fees for a momentary use than the monthly twenty-five dollars. Other people find themselves using internet wherever and whenever, thereby benefitting more from a data plan. But it's for different users and different routines/lifes. It is idiotic to judge someone just because they don't want to be forced into a data plan. Heck, there was an article in wmpowerusers or wmexperts from a guy who HAD a data plan, but HATED the fact that he was now obligated to get one. One of the points is why can't a user decide what is best for him or her? Why must they pay for things they might rarely or never use based on their personal habits? And if you HAVE to have that kind of plan, then why is the phone going for so much subsidized?
And as has been stated many times, the phone isn't just about internet, it will not magically stop working if you don't have internet access. It has MANY functions and I personally want it for the whole kitten caboodle (with the exception of 3G as it is currently not an option for me), not for just one function.
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??? you are getting an internet phone that costs $350 w/ a 2 year contract and can't afford $25 extra per month??? WHY bother? and please don't say to use the wifi, you can get a netbook for less and no contract. keep your razr.
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Ah yes, the voice of reason. Why would anyone not want a netbook that weighs ~2lbs, is approx 3-5x the size of the TP2, does not necessarily come with a touchscreen, for which they don't make a belt clip, but still has a resolution that isn't much better than a TP2, with even lower battery life (unless you separately order a nine cell battery that weighs almost as much as the netbook itself) and only slightly more portability than a regular laptop? I mean that's a perfectly reasonable TP2 alternative.
Does anyone actually remember when we used PDAs? Smartphones are not just internet phones. For those who use the internet on it, do you really need 24/7 uninterrupted access? If you do, can you even begin to imagine another consumer who might not have your exact needs/usage pattern, or for whom that kind of connectivity isn't worth an extra $300 a year (you can get the TMo version for ~$500 no commitment, meaning 2yr price only saves you $150 and extra data costs you an extra $600)? Can you imagine a consumer with more offline needs than online, one who is only out out of wifi range for minutes a day, and during those minutes, doesn't really care about data access?
Do what you need to do for yourself, but keep your self-righteous lectures to yourself when you don't have a fraking clue what you're talking about. Not everyone is exactly like you.
have you considered waiting til 9/3 for the release on sprint? much cheaper data plan, and im pretty sure the cdma phone has an audio jack, nice little bonus
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needless to say that you can get it for 199.99 with letstalk.com. and still have to have the same data plan as if you went with tmob directly.
so you save yourself the extra 150. which in 6months equals that same 150 for internet usage during your first 6months that is required to have until your obligation is over to have so you wont be penalized under letstalk.con restrictions. so you break out even. with the difference that you get the 6months of internet plan totaling the same if you paid their 350 price.
but i am hoping att will get it. waiting to see. in the meantime i will play with my new (older) BA and hopefuly the exec
by the time my contract is over and if att gets it i will stick with them for the reason of granfathered plans.
you could just buy it off craigslist for $350-$450, depending on your local market. no data required
Or you could just buy the phone at full price $550 which doesn't require Data.
i'm glad i got grandfathered in on my old 19.99 unlimited internet plan but alas no free mobile to mobile with my old myfaves plan
Newegg.com has the TMO TP2 for $199 w/ new 2 yr contract and does not appear to be requiring a data plan with the purchase.
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There is another solution, but only if you have a family plan.
1.) Buy the phone using promo code "Windows Mobile" through T-Mobile (found HERE)
2.) Add an additional line and get the TP2 for the discounted price
3.) Add the data plan to keep T-Mobile's panties unknotted
4.) Keep the phone for 3 weeks
5.) Call back after day 21 and tell them you do not want the line anymore.
6.) Pay the early termination fee ($200).
7.) Keep the TP2.
The phone itself normally costs $349.99 with a 2 year contract. With the promo code, you get it for $149.99 + $200 term fee = $349.99. Of course, the additional data plan will be prorated for those 21 days of "usage" which comes out to be around $17, but in the end you still have the phone and you can dump any T-Mobile SIM right in.
This is the BEST solution if you are one of the fortunate few who still have the T-zones service... which WILL do 3G! I've tested it on my friend's SIM card who still has T-Zones. I just hope he doesn't get any extra charges lol.
Not sure if anyone can help .....
I'm looking at a £25 per month, 18 month contract (300 mins, unlimited texts) and unlimited data.
Sounds goods.
But, my main concern is the data. I've spoken to them this evening and they assure me that as it is an Android device that it will have the standard tmobile 3gb fair usage allowance.
I'm concerned that, despite what they say, that it will default to the standard non-Android 1gb fair usage policy as they are effectively selling it as a non-standard deal ?
Am I being over cautious ??!?!?
can anyone advise (please) ?
I dunno the answer but how much are the charging for the phone?
If you go direct through T-Mobile you get 3 gig of data but through other sites its only 1 gig.
the phone is free, £3.99 delivery.
Try phoning T-Mobile up, go for the 18 month £25 plan, 600 mins, 500 texts, 3gb internet, flexible booster (unlim texts or something else) and tell them that the same deal is online with a free phone.
If it doesn't work hang up and try again. Eventually it either will work or you'll be able to get a reduction in the handset price.
I got mine on launch day with T-Mobile 300 mins/texts 3 gig data usage and unlimited landlines, got them to wave the cost of the phone so got it free on £25 a month for 24 months.
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Not sure if anyone can help .....
I'm looking at a £25 per month, 18 month contract (300 mins, unlimited texts) and unlimited data.
Sounds goods.
But, my main concern is the data. I've spoken to them this evening and they assure me that as it is an Android device that it will have the standard tmobile 3gb fair usage allowance.
I'm concerned that, despite what they say, that it will default to the standard non-Android 1gb fair usage policy as they are effectively selling it as a non-standard deal ?
Am I being over cautious ??!?!?
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Hi, What I would do is get the £15 a month , 300 mins, unlimited texts and internet. It will cost £130 for the phone - totaling £490.
Then you get £40 cashback - which is therefore the same cost as your phone. And for 6 extra months so if you wanted to change it after £18 months it would still be the same cost
And no you are not being over cautious
Just to clarify this for people:
I've been trying to figure out why my HSDPA data speed was so slow (looked like throttled to ~350kbps d/l speed).
It appears that buying via MPD and T-Mobile with "unlimited" data (at least on the £25/month tariff I chose) you are only put on the standard 1Gb FUP data plan. This also has speed restrictions (which I read about elsewhere - and is definitely true since I've experienced it first-hand).
I was under no impression from MPD that I was getting only 1Gb, and it was never mentioned anywhere - all the literature on the web re: Android phones and T-Mobile UK imply we all should be on the 3Gb - which also included no speed throttle.
I just called T-Mobile and made the case - they first tried to get me to pay an extra £5 a month to be put onto the 3Gb, but I persisted mentioning that ANY Android phone bought now with a T-Mobile contract should be on the 3Gb FUP product.
After a bit of to-ing and fro-ing they agreed and changed me over instantly. I also got to choose a free booster since the 3Gb one is included in the plan...
Stick to your guns and you should get a result - don't let them try to make you pay for it - it's MPD's fault for not making it clear, and I argued that since my contract is with T-Mob and not them I should be on the same product as anyone who bought with T-Mobile direct...
simondavo said:
Not sure if anyone can help .....
I'm looking at a £25 per month, 18 month contract (300 mins, unlimited texts) and unlimited data.
Sounds goods.
But, my main concern is the data. I've spoken to them this evening and they assure me that as it is an Android device that it will have the standard tmobile 3gb fair usage allowance.
I'm concerned that, despite what they say, that it will default to the standard non-Android 1gb fair usage policy as they are effectively selling it as a non-standard deal ?
Am I being over cautious ??!?!?
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get the one from mobilephonesdirect its unlocked and u will get updates first
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T-mobile cant do anything since its advertised as ultd so have fun remember its fair usage they cant chage u anything extra if u go over
I also purchased via MPD.
At the time of ordering, I tried to get an answer from MPD on what TMobile FUP I would get, they assured me that I'd get 3gnarled, although I was not convinced.
When connected, I checked with TMobile and confirmed that I had my flexible booster setup to use the unlimited internet with 1gb FUP.
Didn't really think much of it until today.
Just spoken to the Loyalty Team and argued my case. They have now upgraded me to use the 3gb FUP and allowed me to use my flexible booster for something else.
Also, speedtest app is now returning an average download speed of 1900 kbps rather than 350 kbps.
Very happy !!!
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Excellent! Mine jumped (in a poor signal area - only 1-2 bars) from 350kbps to @1.5Mbps which is pretty good. Will check when I'm in London at work tomorrow - I reckon it should be even higher.
MPD have been a bit shoddy up until now what with the stock problems and non-registration of SIMs (I had to register mine myself since I'd been waiting a number of days for MPD to do anything about it).
Has anyone had anything in writing from MPD saying that they would definitely be on the 3Gb FUP? I can't find any mention of it on their site...(actually, I can't find anything about *any* FUP on T-Mobile plans).
Since it's not mentioned by MPD that the "unlimited mobile internet" is an add-on, I think it's perfectly safe to assume it's "included" with the plan which in T-Mobile's language means that it's 3Gb straight away for Android devices.
I can't see how T-Mobile can argue any other way when anyone buying direct gets the 3Gb without even asking for it...the contracts are almost (and in some cases) exactly the same amount...
Does it matter?
I got one from MPD yesterday, read this message and called TMobile who say
a) the allowance is for all intents and purposes the same, eg 1gb or 3gb, they don't count it unless you overshoot it dramatically
b) no throttling is applied, any issues experienced are with the quality of the connection
Are both these points correct?
Should I persist complain? I agree nothing was said about this in any of MPD's literature.
Beware MPD
I too have had problems with MPD. They have sent the wrong memory card. Their customer service is terrible. The £25 contract with 300 mins and 300 texts turns out the internet is restricted to 356kbps as the sim was registered to a Nokia phone?
Contacted T-Mobile as others did and got the flexible booster switched to texts. But to get HSDPA speed I had to have the unlimited internet booster added for £5. Argued to case that I should have the speed but the would not budge. Threaten to leave and they offered me 3 months free then £5 a month for last 15 months. So can complain too much as the Phone was free from MPD, whereas it £157 for T-Mobile on the same contract.
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Depends on if you plan on using your phone for what it's intended, and wish to get nearer to the cell connectivity speeds it's capable of supporting...I wouldn't want to be stuck with an expensive piece of hardware and only being able to use a fraction of its capacity in terms of download speeds...going from ~350kbps to only 1.5Mbps is a more than four-fold increase...
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a) the allowance is for all intents and purposes the same, eg 1gb or 3gb, they don't count it unless you overshoot it dramatically
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This is likely the case - 1Gb is a fair bit, but it's not impossible to go over it if you're using the phone intensively without a WiFi connection (things like downloading multiple podcasts with Google Listen - lots of Maps, e-mail and YouTube usage etc.)
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b) no throttling is applied, any issues experienced are with the quality of the connection
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This is a fallacy. T-Mobile will tell you there is no speed restriction each time you speak to them, and say the connections are contended (which *is* true) but there clearly is massive throttling for regular Web 'n Walk (1Gb) users - look at this thread for more evidence from others outside this forum.
As others have attested, as soon as they apply the Web 'n Walk Plus (3Gb) and remove the "unlimited internet flexible booster" which is what MPD customers seem to have all received, if you are already in an HSDPA area after a phone reboot your speed WILL increase immediately. There are no coincidences here!
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Should I persist complain? I agree nothing was said about this in any of MPD's literature.
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I certainly did, and would urge others to - I might have to do it again soon since my wife may order a Desire on the same deal...I prefer to have an unlocked unbranded handset, going through T-Mobile direct (despite the fact you'd have to haggle to get the same deal as on MPD) doesn't guarantee an unlocked/unbranded phone.
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The £25 contract with 300 mins and 300 texts turns out the internet is restricted to 356kbps as the sim was registered to a Nokia phone?
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I was also told that my "new" SIM bundled with the MPD order had been previously registered to another user...the connections team sorted it in a flash, however...
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Argued to case that I should have the speed but the would not budge.
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That doesn't sound correct. I would have pushed further - they are wrong, not you. Argue that it had been incorrectly provisioned when the connection was set up, and as per the standard T-Mobile FUP (quote it from the website to them), users starting new contracts with new Android devices at the same time are obliged to be on the 3Gb Web 'n Walk Plus bundle...
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I too have had problems with MPD. They have sent the wrong memory card. Their customer service is terrible. The £25 contract with 300 mins and 300 texts turns out the internet is restricted to 356kbps as the sim was registered to a Nokia phone?
Contacted T-Mobile as others did and got the flexible booster switched to texts. But to get HSDPA speed I had to have the unlimited internet booster added for £5. Argued to case that I should have the speed but the would not budge. Threaten to leave and they offered me 3 months free then £5 a month for last 15 months. So can complain too much as the Phone was free from MPD, whereas it £157 for T-Mobile on the same contract.
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I was lead to believe that the internet was a part of this contract and nothing to do with the flexible boosters.
I received my phone last Tuesday, does anyone know if today would count as part of my 7 days cooling off period or would that have ended yesterday?
edit: i would as its 7 working days.
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I was lead to believe that the internet was a part of this contract and nothing to do with the flexible boosters.
I received my phone last Tuesday, does anyone know if today would count as part of my 7 days cooling off period or would that have ended yesterday?
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your 7 days should end on Thursday's end of business day.
7 days cooling period are working days, it start the next working day when you received the phone and they do not count weekend. This is what I was inform when I replaced my Desire.
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your 7 days should end on Thursday's end of business day.
7 days cooling period are working days, it start the next working day when you received the phone and they do not count weekend. This is what I was inform when I replaced my Desire.
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cheers, i know MPD say you have 14 days but thats with everything in its original packaging etc so want to make sure they dont try and wriggle out using that as an excuse.
Phoned TMobile again.
Phone was registered as a Nokia
They say the price plan is between me and MPD aka Go Away
They say that 3gb and 1gb amounts to no practical difference
They say that a 1gb d/l limit has no throttling back compared to 3gb
(is the throttling just on H?)
So, do I try to take the phone back to MPD and pay the extra £45? What's their return policy and do I have to factory set the phone to erase data, etc?
What would Old Hands here do?
I bought a desire through MPD and my bill says I have an "Internet Booster (FB)" package applied (for free).
Before I call up T-Mobile can someone just confirm to me that...
1) This is incorrect
2) What I should have is 'web&walk plus'
3) 'web&walk plus' is the only way to get HSPDA connectivity?
Have many people been successful in getting their account corrected? Or am I fighting a losing battle before I start!?
Ok, so I originally bought the Desire SIM free because I didnt expect to be able to find a good deal with it on contract. My plan was to upgrade my current phone, get a good contract and sell the phone from the upgrade, this way I would re-coup some of the money I spent buying the Desire SIM free.
However....
I have just found this deal with orange which I am extremely tempted to buy, therefore making the Desire bought SIM free (which is currently sat in a City Link depot) redundant.
400 Mins
Unltd Text
Unltd Internet
Free Phone
£22.50 P/M
This would arrive on Wednesday whereas my SIM free is due Monday. Do I now?
A) Order the Orange contract and send the SIM free back to the e-tailer and wait for the Orange one to arrive
or
B) Order the Orange contract, use the SIM free from Monday and sell the other Desire once it arrives?
The more sensible thing would be to send the SIM Free back and wait for the Orange one I know, but I have been waiting ages for the phone, im not sure I could leave it un-open once it arrives. Overall I figure i'll lose about 50-60 quid by not returning the SIM free and deciding to sell the orange one on.
Thoughts?
You will get a better price if you sell the unlocked phone. Assuming you can keep it free from harm for 2 days (remember it doesn't come with a cover). you can sell it on e-bay saying you opened it up to charge it and ensure it was working.
yeah sell the unlocked online even opened i would have thought it would be worth more than an unopened which is locked to orange.
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You will get a better price if you sell the unlocked phone. Assuming you can keep it free from harm for 2 days (remember it doesn't come with a cover). you can sell it on e-bay saying you opened it up to charge it and ensure it was working.
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only if he gets the original price back or more, at least with sending it back your deffo getting all your money back. Ebay is a gamble and wont always pay off as I have experienced.
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only if he gets the original price back or more, at least with sending it back your deffo getting all your money back. Ebay is a gamble and wont always pay off as I have experienced.
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they are allowed to charge all your postage, but not a restocking fee, so keep an eye out for that if you do return it
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only if he gets the original price back or more, at least with sending it back your deffo getting all your money back. Ebay is a gamble and wont always pay off as I have experienced.
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The only thing putting me off selling it on ebay is the commisson they take from the sale, thats where I estimate the 50-60 quid loss.
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they are allowed to charge all your postage, but not a restocking fee, so keep an eye out for that if you do return it
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Do you mean the people I bought the SIM free one from? So I should expect to have to pay the postage costs to me and then back, but that should be all?
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Do you mean the people I bought the SIM free one from? So I should expect to have to pay the postage costs to me and then back, but that should be all?
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Yes thats normally what online shops do if you return a product for a refund. Special delivery should not cost you more then £7 or £8 tho.
If you unlock then it will cost you the fee for that which is 25 euros as I heard the 15 euro method dont work. Plus the ebay seller fees so not really worth it.
where did you get that orange deal?
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Do you mean the people I bought the SIM free one from? So I should expect to have to pay the postage costs to me and then back, but that should be all?
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yep thats all the have a right to do, i remember reading it in something i read in business studies i think. but yeah no restocking fee.
edit: you will probably have to also pay for insurance on the return etc....
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The only thing putting me off selling it on ebay is the commisson they take from the sale, thats where I estimate the 50-60 quid loss.
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Totally agree with you there. I recently sold my HD2 for £347 (inc. postage). eBay ended up taking around 10% off me for fees (about £35.00) and Paypal took £12.00.
So I made about £300.00 overall, and put that money towards my desire
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where did you get that orange deal?
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Here 3rd result down, Ok so its by redemption but if it saves me that much then I do not mind. Not sure how long that deal will last though so i'd get it sooner rather than later if you are thinking about it.
To OP if I was you I would look at what Orange are calling unlimited internet. A friend at work bought an HD2 from them and only got half a gig per month usage I'm sure there top package only had 1gig usage. Might not be something you would want given the amount of data these phones might use.just a thought.
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To OP if I was you I would look at what Orange are calling unlimited internet. A friend at work bought an HD2 from them and only got half a gig per month usage I'm sure there top package only had 1gig usage. Might not be something you would want given the amount of data these phones might use.just a thought.
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Thanks for bringing that to my attention, looking at the Orange t&c's its unclear what unlimited internet is, they say:
"Inclusive Mobile Internet - up to 500MB anytime mobile internet browsing. Usage above 500MB will be charged at the rates set out in the Price Guide - see orange.co.uk/paymonthlyguide.
Unlimited mobile internet -subject to fair usage. Mobile internet is not to be used for other activities (e.g. using your handset as a modem, non-Orange internet based streaming services, voice or video over the internet, instant messaging, peer to peer file sharing). Should you exceed your fair usage limit or such use be detected, notice may be given and Network protection controls applied to ensure the quality and availability of our network to all customers. This may result in, at Orange’s discretion, reduced speed of transmission, suspension of data browsing services and/or suspension of your account. For use in the UK only. "
So does this mean, because the offer advertised as unlimited mobile internet and not inclusive mobile internet that there is no limit on how much data I can use, I just cant use the mobile internet for the specified things, i.e. using the handset as a modem etc?
Edit: I found on a different terms and conditions page that unlimted mobile internet is 750MB per month still not a whole load, how much do you think the average user uses? Lookin at my old bills from O2, using an X1 I at most used 200MB but that was only receiving emails really.
My friends HD2 used 300meg in 16 days and he said he only installed a few apps etc. I would assume that with friendstream etc usage would go up. I don't want to put you off. It will come down to how you use it, if you main usage is at home on WiFi it doesn't really matter but when told me he only had 500meg I was shocked. Don't want you to find yourself in the same boat.
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My friends HD2 used 300meg in 16 days and he said he only installed a few apps etc. I would assume that with friendstream etc usage would go up. I don't want to put you off. It will come down to how you use it, if you main usage is at home on WiFi it doesn't really matter but when told me he only had 500meg I was shocked. Don't want you to find yourself in the same boat.
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No I can see your point exactly and your probably right, with all the apps and widgets etc constantly being connected its going to take up alot of data. Who provides the best data package? I think I remember someone saying that t-mobile allow for 3gig?
Yes tmob have 3gig and I think o2 haven't got an amount stated. I got my phone from t-mobile direct with 600 mins and 500 text with a 'booster' that gives me unlimited text. It cost 25 quid per month. I paid 130 ish for the phone on a18 month contract. I think you can get a 24 month contract and only pay 60 quid. Hope this helps
Do you know then if it is possible to set the phone to use wi-fi whilst at home, and then when you leave home for it to switch the wifi off (save battery) and use the 3G connection, and then go back to wifi when your at home or will this all have to be manual? I suspect that's the case...
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Do you know then if it is possible to set the phone to use wi-fi whilst at home, and then when you leave home for it to switch the wifi off (save battery) and use the 3G connection, and then go back to wifi when your at home or will this all have to be manual? I suspect that's the case...
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I think Android handles this intelligently by default. When the screen is on it will try to use WiFi. If no WiFi that you have access to is in range it will fall back to 3G, then Edge, then 2G, in that order, depending on coverage. When the screen is off (the phone is in standby) it will disconnect from WiFi. This works very well as generally speaking the screen being on means the user is actively using the phone, so WiFi will give the fastest connection and use less power than 3G. When the phone is in standby the data connection is relatively idle, so it disconnects from WiFi to save power.
I don't think this is quite what you are looking for, but is compatible with 2.1 and seems useful nevertheless:
http://www.gearsoft.mobi/products/product/3
EDIT: Another handy app is "Power Control", available for download via the Android Marketplace. It lets you manually toggle connections on the Home Screen, allowing you to enable/disable them manually to save battery power, for example.
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I think Android handles this intelligently by default. When the screen is on it will try to use WiFi. If no WiFi that you have access to is in range it will fall back to 3G, then Edge, then 2G, in that order, depending on coverage. When the screen is off (the phone is in standby) it will disconnect from WiFi. This works very well as generally speaking the screen being on means the user is actively using the phone, so WiFi will give the fastest connection and use less power than 3G. When the phone is in standby the data connection is relatively idle, so it disconnects from WiFi to save power.
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If it does work like that, that is very clever! I expected the user would have to manually switch things on and off in order to achieve this.
How would it handle receiving emails then if the screen was off and in standby? I assume thats the default if you are not using phone? Or is there some other thing you do, when not using the phone, such as locking which still keeps the phone active but dulls and locks the screen?
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If it does work like that, that is very clever! I expected the user would have to manually switch things on and off in order to achieve this.
How would it handle receiving emails then if the screen was off and in standby? I assume thats the default if you are not using phone? Or is there some other thing you do, when not using the phone, such as locking which still keeps the phone active but dulls and locks the screen?
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Well, I think you can achieve this via the phone settings. Try setting your phone to stay connected when phone screens off:
Not sure if this is the exact path, but there is such an option, I think its found in Menu > Settings > Wireless Control > Mobile Network Settings > check the option Enable always on mobile.
Hi guys, let me give you a brief background...
My contract with 3 (UK) has just run out and I'm going to get the Omnia 7. I'm stuck between staying with 3 or moving across to Orange and both have offered deals that appeal to me.
Three offer 2000 mins, 5000 texts, unlimited internet, 5000 3-3 calls for £35/m
They also offered me 500 mins, 5000 texts, 1GB interent but on a RECONDITIONED phone for £25/m so that I would stay. Sounds perfect although they have no reconditioned phones in stock and aren't likely to get any.
Now I phoned Orange and they offered 600 mins, unlimited texts, 750mb 3g data, 3GB wifi data + a magic number for £30/m.
I feel the Orange deal suits my useage however as I haven't owned the phone I don't know how much data I would use as an average user.
Are there any other factors I should consider that would make it worth my while paying more/waiting longer to get the phone by sticking with 3?
Not the most technical of threads but hopefully you guys will point me in the right direction
Cheers, Jacob
I'm what I would consider average user of mobile data, lots of Facebook, a few apps, a bit of YouTube and get through about 400-450mb a month.
There is an app on my orange Mozart called Your Orange where you can check data consumption up until that point
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Thanks Clive, that is exactly what I wanted to hear!
The cost is a large factor seeing as I'm at uni at the moment! And Orange haven't messed with the basics of the phone have they? I heard somewhere that you could only have your live tiles in Orange...
Cheers for the quick reply, Jacob
How much data you'll be using is very personal so hard to give a good answer here. That said, my data usage (3G) has dropped significantly since going WP7 (compared to WM and Droid). This is likely due to me leaving wifi enabled 24/7 these days, something I didn't earlier due to battery life taking a beating.
My plan gives me 1GB/mo at full speed (i.e. 7Mbps) after which it will limit my speed (but still give me unlimited usage) and since using WP7 I haven't hit this once. Previously I would hit this limit around the 20th of the month.
Are minutes a deciding factor?
If you order online, you can get the Omnia 7 for free on Orange with 300 Minutes, Unlimited Texts and Internet for £25 a month. Or you can pay £49.99 to get the phone with 200 Minutes, Unlimited Texts and Internet for £20 a month.
If you're ok with 300 minutes I'd go for the £25 a month plan, it's cheap(ish) and you get the phone free.
They're also offering 3 months of Free Zune Pass, if you like music then you'll love zune pass... I remember being sceptical about it and not thinking it could replace Spotify Premium for me but after the 2 week trial I was converted!!
Suprisingly... Orange is Cheaper than T-Mobile which isn't usually the case
In terms of the difference between the networks Orange will generally be better as they share coverage with T-Mobile. I'm on TMob but the coverage of both networks is now great after their merge.
750mb Internet isn't much but should be ok for general browsing and downloading apps. Remember on Windows Phone 7 you can't download big games/apps over 3G (has to be via wifi) so you don't need to worry that much. If you are concerned about data, consider T-Mobile who will give you 3GB if you tell them you have a smartphone.
brummiesteven that deal you just mentioned is for £30/m on the Orange site not £25 as far as I can see? Panther 30 it's called.
Minutes aren't too much of a factor however a minimum of 300 will be needed as I'm hitting about 250/m on my current (expired) plan.
Okay well I imagine I will use facebook a lot, youtube occaisionally, my fair few apps. I will be spending the majority of my time at home or in uni (both with accessible wifi) so I won't be relying on the 3g data too much I guess.
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brummiesteven that deal you just mentioned is for £30/m on the Orange site not £25 as far as I can see? Panther 30 it's called.
Minutes aren't too much of a factor however a minimum of 300 will be needed as I'm hitting about 250/m on my current (expired) plan.
Okay well I imagine I will use facebook a lot, youtube occaisionally, my fair few apps. I will be spending the majority of my time at home or in uni (both with accessible wifi) so I won't be relying on the 3g data too much I guess.
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Hey Mate, I was referring to Dolphin 25.
Whatever you pick I'd reccomend you order online for the 3 months Zune Pass (Unless you couldn't care less about music).
Ah right gotcha.
A bit too late though as I went ahead and ordered it on the phone earlier :/
Although, good news! He ended up giving me a deal of 400 mins, unlimited texts, 750MB internet and a free phone for £22/m!!!
To be fair the zune pass would of been awesome but I think the saving money wise is best for me.
Thanks for all your help, I'll be getting my phone on tuesday and I imagine I'll be back on this forum very soon!
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Ah right gotcha.
A bit too late though as I went ahead and ordered it on the phone earlier :/
Although, good news! He ended up giving me a deal of 400 mins, unlimited texts, 750MB internet and a free phone for £22/m!!!
To be fair the zune pass would of been awesome but I think the saving money wise is best for me.
Thanks for all your help, I'll be getting my phone on tuesday and I imagine I'll be back on this forum very soon!
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That is an awesome deal tbf.
I have an Omnia 7 on Orange UK.
My deal only has 500mb a month data and i have never come close to it. I think i use a max of around 250mb and i do a lot of browsing and everything is set to push on the phone.
The way to kill it would be streaming a lot of youtube videos that i don't do.
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That is an awesome deal tbf.
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I was very pleased when he told me, I actually made him repeat the deal to make sure I heard it correctly.
Roll on Monday!
what does a magic number mean
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A magic number is someone you have unlimited calls to. They have to be on Orange and you start off with one magic number. Every 6 months you get to choose an extra magic number. Hope that helps.
I'm going to try out 3's "All-you-can-eat" data offer on their pay-as-you-go SIM card - top up £15 each month to get as much data as you can gobble up. I was finding O2's 500MB per month limit to be too constricting - I could only get by if I didn't stream any videos or music and restricted my app downloads over 3G to just those less than 1MB (anything bigger I had to wait until I got home to do it over Wi-fi).
They include enough minutes and texts in that £15 for me.
O2's deal was £10 per month for 500MB, incidentally.
3's SIM is in the post :O) Looking forward to absolute FREEDOM in my data usage!
Incidentally, I'm using an O2 branded HD7 that I've unlocked.
That sim from 3 is very good value and I would have done it if I could afford the cost of the handset (I'm at uni and have no money!). I'm know wondering if 8GB will be too small...
Too late now as the phone is being delivered today/tomorrow!
I am ridiculously impatient
ORANGE! you get orange maps navigation!!
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ORANGE! you get orange maps navigation!!
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If it's included in your contract. Otherwise like for me its £5 a month. I refuse to pay £5 a month for a satnav that requires a data connection.
Congratulations, £22 a month with a free phone is a great deal.
Hope you enjoy your phone.
No-one at Orange mentioned the Navigation so I doubt I will get it free...
I just wish they would hurry up and deliver the freakin thing! Waited in my house from 9 til 5 yesterday for it not to be delivered! Typical wasted day! I'm sure it will be worth the wait though!
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No-one at Orange mentioned the Navigation so I doubt I will get it free...
I just wish they would hurry up and deliver the freakin thing! Waited in my house from 9 til 5 yesterday for it not to be delivered! Typical wasted day! I'm sure it will be worth the wait though!
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How long are you tied in for? 2 years? You might find that the 8GB memory is a bit limiting, and with devices coming soon with the new chassis specs, you may end up buying yourself out of that deal. Without a gyroscope and front-facing camera, you'll not be able to use things like Skype video calls or Augmented Reality apps like Layar.
It's usually best to buy your phone outright and then go SIM-only or PAYG, as the smartphone market is moving way too fast for 2 year contracts to keep up.
Any canadian customers should jump all over this!!
unlimited canadawide my10
200 daytime mins
free evenings after 6 and weekends
6gb of data
unlimited texting
Yup jumped onto it as soon as I saw the offer, I already had all that at the same price but only 1GB.
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Any canadian customers should jump all over this!!
unlimited canadawide my10
200 daytime mins
free evenings after 6 and weekends
6gb of data
unlimited texting
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How much?
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^^^ This
None of that means anything with no price.
I'm curious as I have almost exactly the same plan on Bell right now, with a few other added goodies but less data (still way more than I use though)
speedyink said:
^^^ This
None of that means anything with no price.
I'm curious as I have almost exactly the same plan on Bell right now, with a few other added goodies but less data (still way more than I use though)
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Its 60$. I read Bell and virgin followed up with their own 6gb plans here's a link with the bell/virgin info.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/07/18/virgin-rolls-out-new-6gb-60month-plan/
I'm lucky with bell. I have a plan for a few years I upgrade from a normal cellphone e an to a smart phone. My old plan had unlimited internet. I have the 6 gb plan right now. But they forgot to take my other unlimited plan. So I have basically a unlimited data plan including tethering. I thanks bell
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crixley said:
Any canadian customers should jump all over this!!
unlimited canadawide my10
200 daytime mins
free evenings after 6 and weekends
6gb of data
unlimited texting
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does it have caller ID?
I have a standard 200min+unlimited incoming calls+6gb+unlimited text +5pm evenings and weekends for the same price (60).
So it's basically my10 vs free incoming.
Why even bother with Rogers?
For 21$ more with fido I have
UNLIMITED incoming outgoing 24/7 35$
UNLIMITED across canada 24/7 I could be in any city and call any city in Canada for FREE 0$
UNLIMITED calling to the united states 24/7 from any city in canada but not the other way around 15$
UNLIMITED sms
UNLIMITED mms
6 GIGS of data 30$
Call diplay
Call forwarding and what have you
BILLED BY THE SECOND (not that it matters)
Unless you have an Lte handset I don't know why you're messing with rogers
and Unless you live behind gods back or in a bunker there's no reason to mess with Bell or Telus
Just buy the handset you want unlock it Flash whatever you want on it and come into the light.
This is awesome timing my contract is just ending with fido.
(Leaving them due to horrible customer service plus they are dropping per second billing) and Now Rogers will be bringing LTE to my area.
I just bought an Unlocked Galaxy Nexus. Usually when you sign up for a new contract you get to subsidize a phone but considering what is on the market right now I'd rather save the subsidy for a later date (2013).
Does any one know if this is possible or does it require a new 3 year commitment?
Is this plan only available on a 3year contract?
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This is awesome timing my contract is just ending with fido.
(Leaving them due to horrible customer service plus they are dropping per second billing) and Now Rogers will be bringing LTE to my area.
I just bought an Unlocked Galaxy Nexus. Usually when you sign up for a new contract you get to subsidize a phone but considering what is on the market right now I'd rather save the subsidy for a later date (2013).
Does any one know if this is possible or does it require a new 3 year commitment?
Is this plan only available on a 3year contract?
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Why the hell would billing by the second matter if everything is UNLIMITED?
You're getting LTE with rogers but you have a galaxy nexus with no LTE I presume
you should should stay with fido after your contract is done get the best deal you can when your contract is over they have to keep charging you the same thing. In a year or so when LTE is implemented in your area and you find an LTE phone worth dropping the gnex for then and only then Jump ship by all means. Don't worry about the deal still being around something better will come along.:good:
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Unless you have an Lte handset I don't know why you're messing with rogers
and Unless you live behind gods back or in a bunker there's no reason to mess with Bell or Telus
Just buy the handset you want unlock it Flash whatever you want on it and come into the light.
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I'm with Bell because Rogers reps repeatedly lied to me just to get me off the phone. And by repeatedly I mean a solid 3 months of bull****, costing me lots of money that I never got back, and time I really could have spent more productive. Eventually I bailed and refused to go back to that sadistic company. Fido being owned by Rogers can go f*** themselves as well. Also they screwed my younger brother out of his $200 deposit, which leads me to believe the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Virgin has also come out with a 6GB plan.
300
Anytime Minutes
UNLIMITED
Weekends & Early Evenings from 5pm
6 GB
Data Usage
Additional data is only $10/GB
limited time offer
UNLIMITED
Canada, U.S., & International Text and Pic Messaging from Canada
UNLIMITED
Incoming Calls
The only thing missing is Canada wide Calling even if it was for My5 or whatever i was always getting dinged a few bux for calling some one just outside the city...
IMO the ways traffic is networked nowdays there really isnt and such thing as long distance anymore.. No switch boards to patch you through to another carriers telephone lines. Its just a cash grab.
Rogers had this deal before also, I was able to get mine for 50/month. 6GB is hard to fill up though so its a good deal.
I jumped on this.
I hate Rogers, but I'm stuck with them due to contract and I have come to the conclusion that all the providers suck.
But this plan was IDENTICAL to the plan I was already on with the exception of the data limit. I was on a 1GB plan. So now I am bumped up to 6GB along with everything else.
I also got a value pack which includes Call display, some additional minutes and txts (which are useless since its unlimited incoming and outgoing anyway), call forwarding, enhanced voice mail, ringbacks, and something else. I have a credit for all the value packs so I don't actually pay for them.
So all that for $60 I am pretty happy.
Btw, even though the GNex is not LTE you can still get it. I was on a 3G plan and the rep told me (we will see for sure) that this plan will update me to 4G connection speeds. So if you were like me and still on 3G plan this is definitely worth it imo.
--- Now I am just keeping my fingers crossed that the rep didn't lie to me and everything is as he claimed it would be. Been screwed in the past so I had him repeat everything to me twice haha
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I jumped on this.
I hate Rogers, but I'm stuck with them due to contract and I have come to the conclusion that all the providers suck.
But this plan was IDENTICAL to the plan I was already on with the exception of the data limit. I was on a 1GB plan. So now I am bumped up to 6GB along with everything else.
I also got a value pack which includes Call display, some additional minutes and txts (which are useless since its unlimited incoming and outgoing anyway), call forwarding, enhanced voice mail, ringbacks, and something else. I have a credit for all the value packs so I don't actually pay for them.
So all that for $60 I am pretty happy.
Btw, even though the GNex is not LTE you can still get it. I was on a 3G plan and the rep told me (we will see for sure) that this plan will update me to 4G connection speeds. So if you were like me and still on 3G plan this is definitely worth it imo.
--- Now I am just keeping my fingers crossed that the rep didn't lie to me and everything is as he claimed it would be. Been screwed in the past so I had him repeat everything to me twice haha
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The GNex isn't capable of LTE so no matter what you will not be able to get LTE speeds. The radio chip in the phone doesn't support it in Canada. If that's what your wondering?
*Edit* - And technically the GNex is 21Mbps which is classified as 4GHSPA so you already have 4G. 3G or 'Edge' on Rogers is anything below 14Mbps. LTE is anything above 42Mbps.
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The GNex isn't capable of LTE so no matter what you will not be able to get LTE speeds. The radio chip in the phone doesn't support it in Canada. If that's what your wondering?
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I know that the gnex isn't compatible with LTE. But should work the 4G no?
I get so bloody confused by all the different networks now
Hmm well it will be interesting to see if there is any difference. Even if there isn't I'm still happy to have the 6gb. Thanks for clearing that up.
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you know, I'm with fido and i'm paying 33.90 a month for unlimited incoming calls, unlimited local and international texts, unlimited evenings and weekends starting at 7pm and i get 200 mins per month.
Sometimes I feel like I'm getting ripped off but in the end; that's what it was then and no other company was better then.
NOW I've been looking at different carrier contract because my girlfriend is due for a renewal soon and rogers definately has the best plans for the best prices. ALSO they have the best reception in the city. You can be in a basement and it'll work; with BELL forget about it, you wont even get reception on the top room of your house.
Personally, I think you guys are crazy to pay so much money just to have portable internet. I use straight up wi-fi at home and thats itttt. I am in no need for data. But everyone has different uses for it i guess
MRsf27 said:
you know, I'm with fido and i'm paying 33.90 a month for unlimited incoming calls, unlimited local and international texts, unlimited evenings and weekends starting at 7pm and i get 200 mins per month.
Sometimes I feel like I'm getting ripped off but in the end; that's what it was then and no other company was better then.
NOW I've been looking at different carrier contract because my girlfriend is due for a renewal soon and rogers definately has the best plans for the best prices. ALSO they have the best reception in the city. You can be in a basement and it'll work; with BELL forget about it, you wont even get reception on the top room of your house.
Personally, I think you guys are crazy to pay so much money just to have portable internet. I use straight up wi-fi at home and thats itttt. I am in no need for data. But everyone has different uses for it i guess
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I live in a basement apartment in Thornhill and my reception is horrible. You'd swear the walls were pure lead. I have to put my phone on the Window sill just to get two bars which are sketchy at best.
Having data is nice, special when your in a pinch and your lost or something. Good for work as well.
But like you said everyone is different
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bourne-nolonger said:
I live in a basement apartment in Thornhill and my reception is horrible. You'd swear the walls were pure lead. I have to put my phone on the Window sill just to get two bars which are sketchy at best.
Having data is nice, special when your in a pinch and your lost or something. Good for work as well.
But like you said everyone is different
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are you with BELL? just curious cause you said your reception is terrible but didnt state what carrier your with
Mobilicity > big 3
Brb getting unlimited talk text and data for $23 (you can't get this plan anymore)
But you could still get all this for like $35
Oh also Mobilicity is increasing their network speed this year and expanding like crazy, you all should switch to a carrier that doesn't rip you off and lock you in contracts
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