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Is Google Maps realy that expensive?

I have Flat rate from my company can surf the internet acording them how much i want for 3 euro for 24 hours
"How much i want" is not realy how much i want
after just 6 hours they said i gone over the limit of 10MB and had to pay another day even if i had like 18 Hours left of internet
The reason i found out Google maps
just loading a street was like 3Mb or more
So is google maps realy that expensive to use?
I might limit my mobilnet to newspapers,email and weather
the phone company is just robbing me
3 euro a day for like what 10MB
they dont even warn you that they going to charge you more
They cant even tell you how much MB you spent
just that you spent way to much and will be double charged
Now i try to check how much money i spent and the web is down
company even charge you money to see how much the bill is
half euro every 24 hours
and i paid it and i cant even see the bill on the web
I calling them now been on wait for 20 minuts
Telefonica must be the worst company in the world for mobile phone
i will switch company soon
anyway to the question Google Maps realy expensive?

i havent seen my blackberry pearl use nearly that much per page, but i dont have my htc fuze yet. Get an unlimited data plan, it is well worth it.

My phone company only have 1 Plan no unlimited plan it sucks
whats worst they dont even tell you is limited until you ask
so my only option is check what other companies have
i am with the spanish state company telefonica
anyway the question is about the Google maps
and yea i was like zooming on my street and got like 3000kb loading

Thats bad. Are there better networks then with unlimited?
Here in Finland I got unlimited 384kbps 9.8e/month
had 512kbps for a while but this is enough since this runs internet radios etc fine.
When I ordered my HD I put that 512 speed for my contract, used for 2 days when my HD came, then I got message from network that I have used 157 euros amount of data. Called them that what the heck and they fixed it and gave me 30euros of free calltime
Had used 60mb or something without contract.

tunppi said:
Thats bad. Are there better networks then with unlimited?
Here in Finland I got unlimited 384kbps 9.8e/month
had 512kbps for a while but this is enough since this runs internet radios etc fine.
When I ordered my HD I put that 512 speed for my contract, used for 2 days when my HD came, then I got message from network that I have used 157 euros amount of data. Called them that what the heck and they fixed it and gave me 30euros of free calltime
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I know there is networks that has triple the price
but i dont know if they unlimited
i think my network is the most expensive in the world
I will keep hands clear off Google maps until i change network

I got through to the 24 hours custumber service after waiting 35 minuts on line.
the answer "Sorry sir the Experts have office hours from 9-22" So much for the 24 hours service
They gave me a claim number and asked me to used it tomorow to get futher answer.
I was just lucky is like impossible to get any custubmber reply after 23.00 even if is 24 hours service.
is the typhical network abusing custumbers just because they big thing

mobilephonesdirect - tmbobile data usage ???

Not sure if anyone can help .....
I'm looking at a £25 per month, 18 month contract (300 mins, unlimited texts) and unlimited data.
Sounds goods.
But, my main concern is the data. I've spoken to them this evening and they assure me that as it is an Android device that it will have the standard tmobile 3gb fair usage allowance.
I'm concerned that, despite what they say, that it will default to the standard non-Android 1gb fair usage policy as they are effectively selling it as a non-standard deal ?
Am I being over cautious ??!?!?

can anyone advise (please) ?

I dunno the answer but how much are the charging for the phone?

If you go direct through T-Mobile you get 3 gig of data but through other sites its only 1 gig.

the phone is free, £3.99 delivery.

Try phoning T-Mobile up, go for the 18 month £25 plan, 600 mins, 500 texts, 3gb internet, flexible booster (unlim texts or something else) and tell them that the same deal is online with a free phone.
If it doesn't work hang up and try again. Eventually it either will work or you'll be able to get a reduction in the handset price.

I got mine on launch day with T-Mobile 300 mins/texts 3 gig data usage and unlimited landlines, got them to wave the cost of the phone so got it free on £25 a month for 24 months.

simondavo said:
Not sure if anyone can help .....
I'm looking at a £25 per month, 18 month contract (300 mins, unlimited texts) and unlimited data.
Sounds goods.
But, my main concern is the data. I've spoken to them this evening and they assure me that as it is an Android device that it will have the standard tmobile 3gb fair usage allowance.
I'm concerned that, despite what they say, that it will default to the standard non-Android 1gb fair usage policy as they are effectively selling it as a non-standard deal ?
Am I being over cautious ??!?!?
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Hi, What I would do is get the £15 a month , 300 mins, unlimited texts and internet. It will cost £130 for the phone - totaling £490.
Then you get £40 cashback - which is therefore the same cost as your phone. And for 6 extra months so if you wanted to change it after £18 months it would still be the same cost
And no you are not being over cautious

Just to clarify this for people:
I've been trying to figure out why my HSDPA data speed was so slow (looked like throttled to ~350kbps d/l speed).
It appears that buying via MPD and T-Mobile with "unlimited" data (at least on the £25/month tariff I chose) you are only put on the standard 1Gb FUP data plan. This also has speed restrictions (which I read about elsewhere - and is definitely true since I've experienced it first-hand).
I was under no impression from MPD that I was getting only 1Gb, and it was never mentioned anywhere - all the literature on the web re: Android phones and T-Mobile UK imply we all should be on the 3Gb - which also included no speed throttle.
I just called T-Mobile and made the case - they first tried to get me to pay an extra £5 a month to be put onto the 3Gb, but I persisted mentioning that ANY Android phone bought now with a T-Mobile contract should be on the 3Gb FUP product.
After a bit of to-ing and fro-ing they agreed and changed me over instantly. I also got to choose a free booster since the 3Gb one is included in the plan...
Stick to your guns and you should get a result - don't let them try to make you pay for it - it's MPD's fault for not making it clear, and I argued that since my contract is with T-Mob and not them I should be on the same product as anyone who bought with T-Mobile direct...

simondavo said:
Not sure if anyone can help .....
I'm looking at a £25 per month, 18 month contract (300 mins, unlimited texts) and unlimited data.
Sounds goods.
But, my main concern is the data. I've spoken to them this evening and they assure me that as it is an Android device that it will have the standard tmobile 3gb fair usage allowance.
I'm concerned that, despite what they say, that it will default to the standard non-Android 1gb fair usage policy as they are effectively selling it as a non-standard deal ?
Am I being over cautious ??!?!?
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get the one from mobilephonesdirect its unlocked and u will get updates first
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T-mobile cant do anything since its advertised as ultd so have fun remember its fair usage they cant chage u anything extra if u go over

I also purchased via MPD.
At the time of ordering, I tried to get an answer from MPD on what TMobile FUP I would get, they assured me that I'd get 3gnarled, although I was not convinced.
When connected, I checked with TMobile and confirmed that I had my flexible booster setup to use the unlimited internet with 1gb FUP.
Didn't really think much of it until today.
Just spoken to the Loyalty Team and argued my case. They have now upgraded me to use the 3gb FUP and allowed me to use my flexible booster for something else.
Also, speedtest app is now returning an average download speed of 1900 kbps rather than 350 kbps.
Very happy !!!
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

Excellent! Mine jumped (in a poor signal area - only 1-2 bars) from 350kbps to @1.5Mbps which is pretty good. Will check when I'm in London at work tomorrow - I reckon it should be even higher.
MPD have been a bit shoddy up until now what with the stock problems and non-registration of SIMs (I had to register mine myself since I'd been waiting a number of days for MPD to do anything about it).
Has anyone had anything in writing from MPD saying that they would definitely be on the 3Gb FUP? I can't find any mention of it on their site...(actually, I can't find anything about *any* FUP on T-Mobile plans).
Since it's not mentioned by MPD that the "unlimited mobile internet" is an add-on, I think it's perfectly safe to assume it's "included" with the plan which in T-Mobile's language means that it's 3Gb straight away for Android devices.
I can't see how T-Mobile can argue any other way when anyone buying direct gets the 3Gb without even asking for it...the contracts are almost (and in some cases) exactly the same amount...

Does it matter?
I got one from MPD yesterday, read this message and called TMobile who say
a) the allowance is for all intents and purposes the same, eg 1gb or 3gb, they don't count it unless you overshoot it dramatically
b) no throttling is applied, any issues experienced are with the quality of the connection
Are both these points correct?
Should I persist complain? I agree nothing was said about this in any of MPD's literature.

Beware MPD
I too have had problems with MPD. They have sent the wrong memory card. Their customer service is terrible. The £25 contract with 300 mins and 300 texts turns out the internet is restricted to 356kbps as the sim was registered to a Nokia phone?
Contacted T-Mobile as others did and got the flexible booster switched to texts. But to get HSDPA speed I had to have the unlimited internet booster added for £5. Argued to case that I should have the speed but the would not budge. Threaten to leave and they offered me 3 months free then £5 a month for last 15 months. So can complain too much as the Phone was free from MPD, whereas it £157 for T-Mobile on the same contract.

al89nut said:
Does it matter?
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Depends on if you plan on using your phone for what it's intended, and wish to get nearer to the cell connectivity speeds it's capable of supporting...I wouldn't want to be stuck with an expensive piece of hardware and only being able to use a fraction of its capacity in terms of download speeds...going from ~350kbps to only 1.5Mbps is a more than four-fold increase...
al89nut said:
a) the allowance is for all intents and purposes the same, eg 1gb or 3gb, they don't count it unless you overshoot it dramatically
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This is likely the case - 1Gb is a fair bit, but it's not impossible to go over it if you're using the phone intensively without a WiFi connection (things like downloading multiple podcasts with Google Listen - lots of Maps, e-mail and YouTube usage etc.)
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b) no throttling is applied, any issues experienced are with the quality of the connection
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This is a fallacy. T-Mobile will tell you there is no speed restriction each time you speak to them, and say the connections are contended (which *is* true) but there clearly is massive throttling for regular Web 'n Walk (1Gb) users - look at this thread for more evidence from others outside this forum.
As others have attested, as soon as they apply the Web 'n Walk Plus (3Gb) and remove the "unlimited internet flexible booster" which is what MPD customers seem to have all received, if you are already in an HSDPA area after a phone reboot your speed WILL increase immediately. There are no coincidences here!
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Should I persist complain? I agree nothing was said about this in any of MPD's literature.
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I certainly did, and would urge others to - I might have to do it again soon since my wife may order a Desire on the same deal...I prefer to have an unlocked unbranded handset, going through T-Mobile direct (despite the fact you'd have to haggle to get the same deal as on MPD) doesn't guarantee an unlocked/unbranded phone.
claptnei said:
The £25 contract with 300 mins and 300 texts turns out the internet is restricted to 356kbps as the sim was registered to a Nokia phone?
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I was also told that my "new" SIM bundled with the MPD order had been previously registered to another user...the connections team sorted it in a flash, however...
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Argued to case that I should have the speed but the would not budge.
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That doesn't sound correct. I would have pushed further - they are wrong, not you. Argue that it had been incorrectly provisioned when the connection was set up, and as per the standard T-Mobile FUP (quote it from the website to them), users starting new contracts with new Android devices at the same time are obliged to be on the 3Gb Web 'n Walk Plus bundle...

claptnei said:
I too have had problems with MPD. They have sent the wrong memory card. Their customer service is terrible. The £25 contract with 300 mins and 300 texts turns out the internet is restricted to 356kbps as the sim was registered to a Nokia phone?
Contacted T-Mobile as others did and got the flexible booster switched to texts. But to get HSDPA speed I had to have the unlimited internet booster added for £5. Argued to case that I should have the speed but the would not budge. Threaten to leave and they offered me 3 months free then £5 a month for last 15 months. So can complain too much as the Phone was free from MPD, whereas it £157 for T-Mobile on the same contract.
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I was lead to believe that the internet was a part of this contract and nothing to do with the flexible boosters.
I received my phone last Tuesday, does anyone know if today would count as part of my 7 days cooling off period or would that have ended yesterday?
edit: i would as its 7 working days.

TH1882FC said:
I was lead to believe that the internet was a part of this contract and nothing to do with the flexible boosters.
I received my phone last Tuesday, does anyone know if today would count as part of my 7 days cooling off period or would that have ended yesterday?
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your 7 days should end on Thursday's end of business day.
7 days cooling period are working days, it start the next working day when you received the phone and they do not count weekend. This is what I was inform when I replaced my Desire.

blackfox888 said:
your 7 days should end on Thursday's end of business day.
7 days cooling period are working days, it start the next working day when you received the phone and they do not count weekend. This is what I was inform when I replaced my Desire.
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cheers, i know MPD say you have 14 days but thats with everything in its original packaging etc so want to make sure they dont try and wriggle out using that as an excuse.

Phoned TMobile again.
Phone was registered as a Nokia
They say the price plan is between me and MPD aka Go Away
They say that 3gb and 1gb amounts to no practical difference
They say that a 1gb d/l limit has no throttling back compared to 3gb
(is the throttling just on H?)
So, do I try to take the phone back to MPD and pay the extra £45? What's their return policy and do I have to factory set the phone to erase data, etc?
What would Old Hands here do?

I bought a desire through MPD and my bill says I have an "Internet Booster (FB)" package applied (for free).
Before I call up T-Mobile can someone just confirm to me that...
1) This is incorrect
2) What I should have is 'web&walk plus'
3) 'web&walk plus' is the only way to get HSPDA connectivity?
Have many people been successful in getting their account corrected? Or am I fighting a losing battle before I start!?

What to do... 2 Desires

Ok, so I originally bought the Desire SIM free because I didnt expect to be able to find a good deal with it on contract. My plan was to upgrade my current phone, get a good contract and sell the phone from the upgrade, this way I would re-coup some of the money I spent buying the Desire SIM free.
However....
I have just found this deal with orange which I am extremely tempted to buy, therefore making the Desire bought SIM free (which is currently sat in a City Link depot) redundant.
400 Mins
Unltd Text
Unltd Internet
Free Phone
£22.50 P/M
This would arrive on Wednesday whereas my SIM free is due Monday. Do I now?
A) Order the Orange contract and send the SIM free back to the e-tailer and wait for the Orange one to arrive
or
B) Order the Orange contract, use the SIM free from Monday and sell the other Desire once it arrives?
The more sensible thing would be to send the SIM Free back and wait for the Orange one I know, but I have been waiting ages for the phone, im not sure I could leave it un-open once it arrives. Overall I figure i'll lose about 50-60 quid by not returning the SIM free and deciding to sell the orange one on.
Thoughts?

You will get a better price if you sell the unlocked phone. Assuming you can keep it free from harm for 2 days (remember it doesn't come with a cover). you can sell it on e-bay saying you opened it up to charge it and ensure it was working.

yeah sell the unlocked online even opened i would have thought it would be worth more than an unopened which is locked to orange.

Baldyman1966 said:
You will get a better price if you sell the unlocked phone. Assuming you can keep it free from harm for 2 days (remember it doesn't come with a cover). you can sell it on e-bay saying you opened it up to charge it and ensure it was working.
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only if he gets the original price back or more, at least with sending it back your deffo getting all your money back. Ebay is a gamble and wont always pay off as I have experienced.

Nekromantik said:
only if he gets the original price back or more, at least with sending it back your deffo getting all your money back. Ebay is a gamble and wont always pay off as I have experienced.
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they are allowed to charge all your postage, but not a restocking fee, so keep an eye out for that if you do return it

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only if he gets the original price back or more, at least with sending it back your deffo getting all your money back. Ebay is a gamble and wont always pay off as I have experienced.
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The only thing putting me off selling it on ebay is the commisson they take from the sale, thats where I estimate the 50-60 quid loss.
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they are allowed to charge all your postage, but not a restocking fee, so keep an eye out for that if you do return it
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Do you mean the people I bought the SIM free one from? So I should expect to have to pay the postage costs to me and then back, but that should be all?

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Do you mean the people I bought the SIM free one from? So I should expect to have to pay the postage costs to me and then back, but that should be all?
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Yes thats normally what online shops do if you return a product for a refund. Special delivery should not cost you more then £7 or £8 tho.
If you unlock then it will cost you the fee for that which is 25 euros as I heard the 15 euro method dont work. Plus the ebay seller fees so not really worth it.

where did you get that orange deal?

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Do you mean the people I bought the SIM free one from? So I should expect to have to pay the postage costs to me and then back, but that should be all?
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yep thats all the have a right to do, i remember reading it in something i read in business studies i think. but yeah no restocking fee.
edit: you will probably have to also pay for insurance on the return etc....

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The only thing putting me off selling it on ebay is the commisson they take from the sale, thats where I estimate the 50-60 quid loss.
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Totally agree with you there. I recently sold my HD2 for £347 (inc. postage). eBay ended up taking around 10% off me for fees (about £35.00) and Paypal took £12.00.
So I made about £300.00 overall, and put that money towards my desire

callummc said:
where did you get that orange deal?
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Here 3rd result down, Ok so its by redemption but if it saves me that much then I do not mind. Not sure how long that deal will last though so i'd get it sooner rather than later if you are thinking about it.

To OP if I was you I would look at what Orange are calling unlimited internet. A friend at work bought an HD2 from them and only got half a gig per month usage I'm sure there top package only had 1gig usage. Might not be something you would want given the amount of data these phones might use.just a thought.

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To OP if I was you I would look at what Orange are calling unlimited internet. A friend at work bought an HD2 from them and only got half a gig per month usage I'm sure there top package only had 1gig usage. Might not be something you would want given the amount of data these phones might use.just a thought.
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Thanks for bringing that to my attention, looking at the Orange t&c's its unclear what unlimited internet is, they say:
"Inclusive Mobile Internet - up to 500MB anytime mobile internet browsing. Usage above 500MB will be charged at the rates set out in the Price Guide - see orange.co.uk/paymonthlyguide.
Unlimited mobile internet -subject to fair usage. Mobile internet is not to be used for other activities (e.g. using your handset as a modem, non-Orange internet based streaming services, voice or video over the internet, instant messaging, peer to peer file sharing). Should you exceed your fair usage limit or such use be detected, notice may be given and Network protection controls applied to ensure the quality and availability of our network to all customers. This may result in, at Orange’s discretion, reduced speed of transmission, suspension of data browsing services and/or suspension of your account. For use in the UK only. "
So does this mean, because the offer advertised as unlimited mobile internet and not inclusive mobile internet that there is no limit on how much data I can use, I just cant use the mobile internet for the specified things, i.e. using the handset as a modem etc?
Edit: I found on a different terms and conditions page that unlimted mobile internet is 750MB per month still not a whole load, how much do you think the average user uses? Lookin at my old bills from O2, using an X1 I at most used 200MB but that was only receiving emails really.

My friends HD2 used 300meg in 16 days and he said he only installed a few apps etc. I would assume that with friendstream etc usage would go up. I don't want to put you off. It will come down to how you use it, if you main usage is at home on WiFi it doesn't really matter but when told me he only had 500meg I was shocked. Don't want you to find yourself in the same boat.

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My friends HD2 used 300meg in 16 days and he said he only installed a few apps etc. I would assume that with friendstream etc usage would go up. I don't want to put you off. It will come down to how you use it, if you main usage is at home on WiFi it doesn't really matter but when told me he only had 500meg I was shocked. Don't want you to find yourself in the same boat.
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No I can see your point exactly and your probably right, with all the apps and widgets etc constantly being connected its going to take up alot of data. Who provides the best data package? I think I remember someone saying that t-mobile allow for 3gig?

Yes tmob have 3gig and I think o2 haven't got an amount stated. I got my phone from t-mobile direct with 600 mins and 500 text with a 'booster' that gives me unlimited text. It cost 25 quid per month. I paid 130 ish for the phone on a18 month contract. I think you can get a 24 month contract and only pay 60 quid. Hope this helps

Do you know then if it is possible to set the phone to use wi-fi whilst at home, and then when you leave home for it to switch the wifi off (save battery) and use the 3G connection, and then go back to wifi when your at home or will this all have to be manual? I suspect that's the case...

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Do you know then if it is possible to set the phone to use wi-fi whilst at home, and then when you leave home for it to switch the wifi off (save battery) and use the 3G connection, and then go back to wifi when your at home or will this all have to be manual? I suspect that's the case...
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I think Android handles this intelligently by default. When the screen is on it will try to use WiFi. If no WiFi that you have access to is in range it will fall back to 3G, then Edge, then 2G, in that order, depending on coverage. When the screen is off (the phone is in standby) it will disconnect from WiFi. This works very well as generally speaking the screen being on means the user is actively using the phone, so WiFi will give the fastest connection and use less power than 3G. When the phone is in standby the data connection is relatively idle, so it disconnects from WiFi to save power.
I don't think this is quite what you are looking for, but is compatible with 2.1 and seems useful nevertheless:
http://www.gearsoft.mobi/products/product/3
EDIT: Another handy app is "Power Control", available for download via the Android Marketplace. It lets you manually toggle connections on the Home Screen, allowing you to enable/disable them manually to save battery power, for example.

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I think Android handles this intelligently by default. When the screen is on it will try to use WiFi. If no WiFi that you have access to is in range it will fall back to 3G, then Edge, then 2G, in that order, depending on coverage. When the screen is off (the phone is in standby) it will disconnect from WiFi. This works very well as generally speaking the screen being on means the user is actively using the phone, so WiFi will give the fastest connection and use less power than 3G. When the phone is in standby the data connection is relatively idle, so it disconnects from WiFi to save power.
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If it does work like that, that is very clever! I expected the user would have to manually switch things on and off in order to achieve this.
How would it handle receiving emails then if the screen was off and in standby? I assume thats the default if you are not using phone? Or is there some other thing you do, when not using the phone, such as locking which still keeps the phone active but dulls and locks the screen?

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If it does work like that, that is very clever! I expected the user would have to manually switch things on and off in order to achieve this.
How would it handle receiving emails then if the screen was off and in standby? I assume thats the default if you are not using phone? Or is there some other thing you do, when not using the phone, such as locking which still keeps the phone active but dulls and locks the screen?
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Well, I think you can achieve this via the phone settings. Try setting your phone to stay connected when phone screens off:
Not sure if this is the exact path, but there is such an option, I think its found in Menu > Settings > Wireless Control > Mobile Network Settings > check the option Enable always on mobile.

Desire + Orange?

Hi, im currently up for renewal on my vodafone contract, but with them not being able to offer a decent tarrif or give me an actual date for when they think they will be getting stock (been told approx 2weeks but nothing confirmed) ive been forced to shop around, ive been offered 500mins 3000texts and internet (500mb, is that enough for the desire?) and a free phone tomorrow so to speak from orange. I know from past experience with orange that back in the day they would fill there phones of junk, i was wondering if the Desire was full of the old orange stuff? or is it unbranded so to speak?
Cheers, Joe
Oh, i can however get a nexus one with vodafone on a contract that i could live with, is it worth jsut going for a nexus over the desire? is there any major differences between the two other than the sense ui? which is the main reason i prefer the desire over the nexus tbh.

I think it all depends where you get the phone from. Orange, Phones4U and most Orange stockists will sell you their crapware filled, branded, crippled Desire that really is an awful experience in comparison to stock Desire. Thankfully this branding is pretty easily removed.
The Carphone Warehouse will sell you an unlocked, branding free Desire on contract from Orange etc. and they may give you quite a good deal.
As for the Nexus, it has pros and cons. It has Froyo, gets updates seemingly quicker than other Android phones, and has a uni-body design (honestly, it's not that much different). The Desire IMHO is better due to HTC Sense, more RAM and physical buttons which are more responsive than the touch buttons on the Nexus One.
It's your choice but I'd go with the Desire -- preferably NOT on Orange (they even give you a measly 500mb data plan [I've had the phone three months and gone over twice due to Spotify and podcast streaming] unless you pay another tenner and their customer service sucks) or via The Carphone Warehouse. Look around for the best deals

Cheap Desire offer!
Ive just bought one via mobiles.co.uk, it comes from them and it is a stock desire rather than an orange.
They have an offer on half price line rental for 12 months on one of them cash back thingys. Only had the phone a couple of days but pretty happy with it!!

The Orange phone is filled with rubbish you can't rid of.
I've just unbranded mine.
As above. Mobiles.co.uk i found were offering the best deals.
The Orange Network i've found to be very good, and the customer service again has been excellent
I came from O2 with an iffy data network and rubbish customer service

Rickalicious said:
The Orange phone is filled with rubbish you can't rid of.
I've just unbranded mine.
As above. Mobiles.co.uk i found were offering the best deals.
The Orange Network i've found to be very good, and the customer service again has been excellent
I came from O2 with an iffy data network and rubbish customer service
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Orange have been terrible to me. They even got my name wrong on a bloody direct debit when my name is on the account!

steve228uk said:
Orange have been terrible to me. They even got my name wrong on a bloody direct debit when my name is on the account!
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I guess they can't get it right all of the time, I can testify to that on O2's behalf, they were crap for me.

Yea whatever you do dont go on 02, had a 30 day rolling contract with them.. took me 3months to get that canceled.
Im on orange now 500mb of internet is fine for me, i just do general internet browsing facebook etc. Ive worked out 500mb will get you 16mb a day. Mines from phones4u had no problem with them, just make sure you cancel all the insurance addons they give you (unless you want them)
Cheers

Sorry to sound like I'm fighting the tide but I've always found O2 to be decent, both for customer service and network. I've always managed to negotiate a deal with retentions that is comparable to the best competitor tariff. I'm kind of limited because O2 are the only network that get a signal inside my house. Voda, Orange and T-Mob are all low signal but that's because I'm in a semi-rural location.
In fact my local mast must have been upgraded recently because I started getting a strong H signal inside the house a few days ago when I ALWAYS had plain G before.
As for data plans, ALL the main networks in the UK are going to tiered data plans. There's no such thing as unlimited data any more, it's 500MB for starters and then increasing cost for more MBs (750,1000 etc).

I spoke to O2 about the data and they told me it was only going tiered on the iPhone. I didn't think it was true but it was kinda interesting to hear.
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If that's true then fair enough, but it would be sensible to keep an eye open in case O2 do change the data plans across the board. I took out a new contract on 22-June with "unlimited data". My understanding is that O2 are looking to review "unlimited" sometime in October. It doesn't afect me as such anyway because I tend to run at 200-300MB per month.

Im on the same tariff and I got the phone from carphone warehouse for 2 reasons, Orange weren't selling it at the time, and it was unbranded.
The tarrif works fine for me (Managed to go over the 3000 texts , I know not to do to much with the phone on 3G, So it only gets used for emails using the net and stuff, I don't watch videos on it or stream or anything for to keep myself covered
Install at 3G Usage monitor for good measure

I am on the same tariff too. Mine is locked and a pain, just wondering whether to root it or not. Is it actually worth it? I am only wanting to do it because I want to change how many apps boot up to save battery life since all the apps take up 60%+ of battery power?
Anyway, 500mb is fine for internet usage, so far. I have 3g.Watchdog app so it tells me when I go over 75% and warns me when I get close to my quota. Just don't stream and use it for MSN and browsing when your out. When I am in I use the WiFi

I'm on a similar tariff, only with 300 minutes but with a free phone at £25/mth on an 18-month contract I'm not complaining
I just use the 'Your Orange' app from the market to keep track of it all. Seems to work a treat.

steve228uk said:
I'm on a similar tariff, only with 300 minutes but with a free phone at £25/mth on an 18-month contract I'm not complaining
I just use the 'Your Orange' app from the market to keep track of it all. Seems to work a treat.
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It does, but it doesn't give you a up-to date usage all the time, Im sure it states in the app minutes and data may be up-to 48 hours old

well due to the first few posts i decided to go against orange, just got off the phone from vodafone they hae stock but im on the end of the waiting list though it wont be soon before the phone is in the post, got the phone for free on £35 a month over 18months with 600mins unlimited texts + unlimited internet cant really complain!

i'm on orange and upgraded through them. i got
1100 mins
unlimited landline
unlimited internet
600 texts
£25 a month for 18 Months

I got my desire on orange, i have debranded mine & got it unlocked.
orange have been good to me never had any probs with customer service.

By the sounds of it some of you still run the stock Orange app, any chance someone could back the stock Rom up an send me a copy, would be mucho appreciated.
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[Q] Anyone on Vodafone in the UK ? Mobile internet charges ...

due to the desire being a fairly internet connected phone, i thought i'd try and use it as such only to fall foul of vodafone's rather poor 500mb "unlimited" mobile internet limit.
i've notice the following on their website :
http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/forum-53/announcement-137-updated-mobile-internet-charging/
has anyone managed to change to the new "premium" price plan and does it mean that my contract will be reset in any way or does it mean that i can use my desire for what it was designed for ?

mrdo said:
due to the desire being a fairly internet connected phone, i thought i'd try and use it as such only to fall foul of vodafone's rather poor 500mb "unlimited" mobile internet limit.
i've notice the following on their website :
http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/forum-53/announcement-137-updated-mobile-internet-charging/
has anyone managed to change to the new "premium" price plan and does it mean that my contract will be reset in any way or does it mean that i can use my desire for what it was designed for ?
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Hi, I think you mean 500MB (Megabyte) not 500mb (megabit)
And to be honest unless your on youtube or watching porn 24/7 500MB is plenty for daily use on a phone!
Edit: And as far as i'm aware the 500MB is more of a "fair usage policy" than a restriction,
Meaning if you do go over (unless it's by alot) then you won't get charged!
But if you go over on a regular basis then i believe it's £5 for every other 500MB.

rob81h said:
Hi, I think you mean 500MB (Megabyte) not 500mb (megabit)
And to be honest unless your on youtube or watching porn 24/7 500MB is plenty for daily use on a phone!
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500MB is woefully inadequate for a phone like the Desire - I'm a relatively heavy user and will always go well over 500MB (mostly for email/web with no streaming video).
My brother, who doesn't use his phone internet much at all, consumes close to 500MB every month. It seems to me that a 500MB allowance is really only for very light users.
IMHO, the only UK carrier with a decent data allowance for Android phones is T-Mobile, which give you 3GB.
Regards,
Dave

Without any streaming video just 4 websites including this one and market app/updates I have since 13 august used 423.4mb.
The limit is too low and is a monthly not daily limit.
Sam

I'm on vodafone and use roughly 700mb a month on my desire - I've never as yet had a warning or charge for my data usage.
One annoying thing about vodafone is their online account checker doesn't even tell you what your data limit is! So I'm not sure that i'm on a 500mb limit (though i was certainly led to believe it would be when i took out the contract)

Dial 44555 and Vodafone will send you a txt with how much of your allowance you've used. In the UK anyway.
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I called voda to complain as my wife just took a desire out on contract with them and get 1gb & also there tarrifs online now say the desire comes with 1gb of data,
took 2 min on the phone and they upped mine from 500mb to 1gb at no extra cost.
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rob81h said:
Hi, I think you mean 500MB (Megabyte) not 500mb (megabit)
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apologies and yes, the limit is a monthly limit rather than a daily limit.
i will try and call vodafone to get my limit upped to 1GB. it's rather disappointing to pay so much for a phone and then not be able to use it properly. i'm not hammering the thing, i just like to be kept up to date ...
i went with vodafone because they were the only network to offer good reception at my home and work but the upgrade to froyo has meant that my connection at home has all but disappeared. :-( perhaps i should have gone with tmobile. or at this rate, it might be cheaper to move house.

I have 3G watchdog installed, and also i use the mobile data settings widget on my front screen, when its not in use i turn it off. when i want it i turn it on. This has greatly improved my battery life too. i only use about 125mb a month now too and thats going on all the sites i normally and downloading off the market.

From that post I understood 2 things.
1.one is that if you got a desire price plan you are eligible to update to 1gb allowance at no extra cost or extra months
2.if you can prove them that by this change in charge you will have to pay more than 10% of what you had to pay before you can send them a written notice and you can brake your contract without any penalty. 10% is if you are paying 30 pounds per month and you have to pay this extra 5 pounds = 35 pounds per month then you go over the 10% and you can send them a letter to brake your contract (but only after you receive a text message saying that you are close to them limit and they have to accept your letter as justified.
it is not clear but i can assume that if you go over 1gb after 1/10 then you automatically pay 5 pounds and also it is not clear if you decide to brake your contract if you keep the desire but i guess you keep it.
what do you think? Did I get it right?
PS: personally i have my phone auto updating facebook email etc, i use it for skype, msn, browsing and some youtube and i am always around 1gb. So i can be happy with the 1gb limit.

fotisp88 said:
From that post I understood 2 things.
1.one is that if you got a desire price plan you are eligible to update to 1gb allowance at no extra cost or extra months
2.if you can prove them that by this change in charge you will have to pay more than 10% of what you had to pay before you can send them a written notice and you can brake your contract without any penalty. 10% is if you are paying 30 pounds per month and you have to pay this extra 5 pounds = 35 pounds per month then you go over the 10% and you can send them a letter to brake your contract (but only after you receive a text message saying that you are close to them limit and they have to accept your letter as justified.
it is not clear but i can assume that if you go over 1gb after 1/10 then you automatically pay 5 pounds and also it is not clear if you decide to brake your contract if you keep the desire but i guess you keep it.
what do you think? Did I get it right?
PS: personally i have my phone auto updating facebook email etc, i use it for skype, msn, browsing and some youtube and i am always around 1gb. So i can be happy with the 1gb limit.
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that sounds about right to me but it's still very confusing.
from what i understand, if you went slightly over your 500MB limit before they'd probably have done nothing about it.
now they will automatically bill you an extra £5. i'm assuming that this also applies to your 1GB limit too :-(

I think the term that vodafone are refering to is:
b You may end this agreement by writing to us if:
# we increase your charges in the UK which have the effect of increasing your total call and usage charges (based on your usage in the previous month) by more than 10% and you write to us before the increase applies;
and to answer another question:
d When this agreement comes to an end:
* we will disconnect your mobile equipment from the network (you may keep the mobile equipment);
* You will not have to pay us any more for the mobile equipment or any of the other cancelled services.

rob81h said:
Edit: And as far as i'm aware the 500MB is more of a "fair usage policy" than a restriction,
Meaning if you do go over (unless it's by alot) then you won't get charged!
But if you go over on a regular basis then i believe it's £5 for every other 500MB.
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Well, a few days ago Vodafone sent me a text that said:
To let you know you're nearly at the end of your monthly data allowance of 500Mb. If you need to use additional data there will be a charge of £5 including VAT per 500Mb, however we wont start charging you until 1 October 2010
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Reading from that, if you go over by 1 megabyte you will be charged an extra £5.
IMO it should state "500Mb of data" on the plan, not unlimited. I agree with other comments above that this isn't enough. A little bit of web browsing every day on the train soon racks it all up.

i remember the day they called me because i told them i will end my contract (my previous one) and i was thinking of making a contract with t mobile (it was the best deal then) and the guy on the phone make me a match at everything except the internet which he called "unlimited internet with a fair usage of 500MB"(also t mobile was giving a free boldon i think). And i did ask what happens next if you use more than that and the answer was "nothing but if you keep doing that for some months you will probably get a call advising you to change plan".
And now vodafone is about to start charging us. Even the 1GB limit is the 1/3 of the 3GB limit T mobile has.
I am very happy with vodafone in customer service but if I need to pay extra 5 pounds for just another 500MB then I wont keep that contract.
We are in 2010 and mobile internet is a must I am not going to stop using my phone because vodafone is going to charge me. My desire replaced my laptop and I am very happy with that vodafone is not going to tell us how much we are allowed to use our phone.
Just do the maths even on a 50 pounds per month contract an extra 5 pounds is 10% so you are allowed to end your contract and keep the Desire. If you want you can make a new contract and get a new desire or anything else you like! or just make a very cheap sim only contract for your desire with a provider that doesn't care if you like using internet facebook youtube etc so much!