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WM6 memory leaks is worse than WM5?

I just upgraded to WM6 and I installed the same applications which were installed back when I have WM5. One of them if SpB Plus, whereby I put the RAM icon (for running program) at the 1st tab.
I noticed that after running the same applications I typically used back in WM5 (messaging, Pocket Information, SpB Insight, Phone Alarm, etc.), WM6 didn't release the memory back as much as WM5.
Example (after running the above program, then closing all of them - NOT minimizing:
WM5: ~21 Mb
WM6: ~ 18 Mb
I tried this about 4 times with 2 separate 8525, one running WM5 and the other WM6.
Forgot to mention: the file that seems to keep growing after opening/closing application is filesys, checked using MemMaid.
Anyone experienced this?

Which version of WM6 are you running?

I am using LVSW Edition (2007-03-15). I haven't tried the 2007-03-20 since I get really tried re-installing different WM6 ROM and re-installing the apps over and over again. Sooo.. I am waiting to see if other have the same problem with various version of WM6 before plunging myself for another 4 hours of reinstalling everything.

lanwarrior said:
I am using LVSW Edition (2007-03-15). I haven't tried the 2007-03-20 since I get really tried re-installing different WM6 ROM and re-installing the apps over and over again. Sooo.. I am waiting to see if other have the same problem with various version of WM6 before plunging myself for another 4 hours of reinstalling everything.
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try this ROM and let me know how you go...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1180792&postcount=1

I was about to, but I held back because I want to ask if anyone, who have either the LSV or the Black WM6 ROM can tell me if they have the same issue, simply just by looking at the RAM level.
Not that I am lazy, but I have gone on installing ROM so many times it's just not fun anymore and hoping that someone can just post about the memory issue.
UPDATE: I found out that using SkTools "FreeRam" tool, I can free up the memory, but not by much (extra ~1-2 Mb).

lanwarrior said:
I was about to, but I held back because I want to ask if anyone, who have either the LSV or the Black WM6 ROM can tell me if they have the same issue, simply just by looking at the RAM level.
Not that I am lazy, but I have gone on installing ROM so many times it's just not fun anymore and hoping that someone can just post about the memory issue.
UPDATE: I found out that using SkTools "FreeRam" tool, I can free up the memory, but not by much (extra ~1-2 Mb).
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well y dont you install the ROM... and use Task Manager to see how much memory each program is using... and do bechmark tests like every hour or so if your really worried about it that much...

Read my post above: installing ROM and re-installing everything is not a 30 minutes gig. Plus, a real testing will involve normal usage, not just running 1-2 apps and watching the screen.
I merely asking for the community assistance for those who have installed the Black version or has noticed similar problem.
Why are you giving me nasty remarks? TIred of installing ROMS?

lanwarrior said:
Read my post above: installing ROM and re-installing everything is not a 30 minutes gig. Plus, a real testing will involve normal usage, not just running 1-2 apps and watching the screen.
I merely asking for the community assistance for those who have installed the Black version or has noticed similar problem.
Why are you giving me nasty remarks? TIred of installing ROMS?
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calm down... im not giving nasty remarks...
was mierly suggesting that you try it out... and leave task manager running and open the applications you are worried about to actually see if it is releasing the memory or not...
i also am sick of flashing ROMs everyday... but thats how you get to learn about different ROMs and their flaws...

I would suggest bringing this to SPB's attention as you seem to have a difference with WM5 and WM6. If this is a must app for you, then until SPB updates their software to be more friendly with the yet-to-be release crossbow OS, you should probably stick to WM5... think of all the extra time you'll have left over to do other things than install and test... especially if it's not fun for you.
Since the first WM6 ROM was made available, I've received WM6 compatible released software from SBSH, Wisbar, CE-Star (Chinese), Conduits, and CodeCity.
Here's one example:
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10476
We got our hands on the ROM before developers got their hands on the SDK. He got the SDK 06MAR and identified challenges posed by the new theme. 10MAR confirmed he'll a new rendering engine for the WM6 product t WBL. 16MAR released the update. Nicely done Chris.
And many thanks to the Chef's who continue releasing build improvements that address both shortcomings of the original ROM and additions that make some of the features more convenient.
Walshieau, many thanks to you also for your many informative and helpful posts and contributions to the XDA community.
Cheers to All

aquanaut88 said:
I would suggest bringing this to SPB's attention as you seem to have a difference with WM5 and WM6. If this is a must app for you, then until SPB updates their software to be more friendly with the yet-to-be release crossbow OS, you should probably stick to WM5... think of all the extra time you'll have left over to do other things than install and test... especially if it's not fun for you.
Since the first WM6 ROM was made available, I've received WM6 compatible released software from SBSH, Wisbar, CE-Star (Chinese), Conduits, and CodeCity.
Here's one example:
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10476
We got our hands on the ROM before developers got their hands on the SDK. He got the SDK 06MAR and identified challenges posed by the new theme. 10MAR confirmed he'll a new rendering engine for the WM6 product t WBL. 16MAR released the update. Nicely done Chris.
And many thanks to the Chef's who continue releasing build improvements that address both shortcomings of the original ROM and additions that make some of the features more convenient.
Walshieau, many thanks to you also for your many informative and helpful posts and contributions to the XDA community.
Cheers to All
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happy to try and help...

I don't use SPB anything, any after about a day or so, I get about 19MB free. A fresh soft reset, gives me 25MB free.

@darkjedi
If the task manager icon is present in the settings menu (go to start>settings>system(tab)>task manager) then tick the top two boxes and when you press the X button it will actually exit the program you are using. You may have many programs running in the background which you are unaware of, by soft resetting this clears the memory and the programs present are those on startup.
@lanwarrior
Version 0.2 of WMXL has a memory cache fix cab, not sure if this will work on LVSW but it is worth a shot, the memory usage improves after installing this, might be worth a shot....if all else fails perform a hard reset and then maybe flash a different WM6 ROM (Black v1.2 or WMXL 0.2??).

I'm actually using the HTC Task Manager, and am closing the apps. I'm using LVSW 3-15-07 ROM. It's working great. It's not really a complaint honestly, just a little annoyance.

I used to love SPB Pocket Plus mainly for its X Button app, Battery meter and quick launch on today screen.
I did find it used to chomp extra resources and every time I returned to the today screen there was always a second or 2 pause while the today screen plugin refreshed.
I've since switched to Batti, Scott Seligman's Launcher and the HTC Task Manager. Same functionality but way less on system resources and memory.

gurubumsmack said:
I used to love SPB Pocket Plus mainly for its X Button app, Battery meter and quick launch on today screen.
I did find it used to chomp extra resources and every time I returned to the today screen there was always a second or 2 pause while the today screen plugin refreshed.
I've since switched to Batti, Scott Seligman's Launcher and the HTC Task Manager. Same functionality but way less on system resources and memory.
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Thanks for mentioning alternates to SPB PP, which is a disaster on Black v 1.2, in my and other's experience. I am going to get them and give them a try.

I mentioned SpB plus because I use their memory meter to monitor the memory usage for the device, irrespective of the applications, SPb or not.
I am going to remove SPB Plus, but I think this is not the primary cause. I have SpB Plus running overnight with no other applications running (today's plug-in or messaging auto-connect) and the memory usage didn't change.
I think it's more of opening and closing applications, whatever they are.
Those who are using NON-SPB applications but monitor their memory using whatever you have, let us know if the memory usage decrease far more than WM5 over time when you open and close applications.

I mentioned SpB plus because I use their memory meter to monitor the memory usage for the device, irrespective of the applications, SPb or not.
I am going to remove SPB Plus, but I think this is not the primary cause. I have SpB Plus running overnight with no other applications running (today's plug-in or messaging auto-connect) and the memory usage didn't change.
I think it's more of opening and closing applications, whatever they are.
Those who are using NON-SPB applications but monitor their memory using whatever you have, let us know if the memory usage decrease far more than WM5 over time when you open and close applications.

If you want to run SPB Pocket Plus, do not try Black edition. It has compatability issue. (I personally will not try any Black Edition again unless more than 10 people confirm the issue has solved.)
I need my phone device for work, can't be beta tester all the time...(more than 15 reflash on same Black Edition. Even the creator of ROM indicate the fixed, but he hasn'y really test it.... Personally, I like Black edition the most, but....)
I am currently running LVSW late edition, very stable. I am running OS only with more space edition. Radio 1.38.0.10 seems to enhance the battery life. Maybe I am using Black Edition's black theme.

Penske MB said:
If you want to run SPB Pocket Plus, do not try Black edition. It has compatability issue. (I personally will not try any Black Edition again unless more than 10 people confirm the issue has solved.)
I need my phone device for work, can't be beta tester all the time...(more than 15 reflash on same Black Edition. Even the creator of ROM indicate the fixed, but he hasn'y really test it.... Personally, I like Black edition the most, but....)
I am currently running LVSW late edition, very stable. I am running OS only with more space edition. Radio 1.38.0.10 seems to enhance the battery life. Maybe I am using Black Edition's black theme.
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everyone has a right to post chump... but did you try the workaround and remove the Safe Mode?
if your going to bag someone's ROM... y dont u do it in the ROM's thread insdead of cluttering others???

Penske MB said:
......can't be beta tester all the time........
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Since these cooked WM6 roms available (Vanilla, WMXL, Black, LVSW, 3DES.1) are all based on early (possibly beta) versions of WM6 you WILL be beta testing them until we can get a fully stable version.
Its thanks to hard working individuals like Kyphur, walshieau, jasjamming, lvsw, olipro, pof et all ~(apologies if ive missed anyone out that REALLY should be mentioned) that these ROMs are getting more and more stable every time a new version is released, if you dont like using them then revert back to WM5. But dont go wragging on the authors just because software DESIGNED FOR WM5 doesnt work on them.
Id suggest cooking your own WM6 version as it may help you appreciate the work put into these releases....free of charge may i add.

So many roms...ARGHHHH

Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??

ashleyhall said:
Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??
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Same-same feeling here. Tried all, still can't get the reliability and responsiveness of original WM5 Jasjam ROM. It's not a rant and of course I can always go back, but it makes me wander never the less..
Edit 15:30,
Well after such a statement I guess I owe some specifics:
- Hermes 100 and 200
- SPL-2.10.Olipro
- IPL: 1.04
- Radio: v1.43.00.00
- Tried the various available RTM versions, much too slow responding, haven't resolved the SOD problem for me
- reverted to what I consider to be the most stable and comfortable release - LVSW 19/5 (elf edition), still experience SOD but apprx. once in 24 Hrs. Still makes the WM6 Hermes unreliable as a phone, since for those unfamiliar with SOD, it means that while actually frozen, the phone looks externaly to be OK and working, respective LEDs blinking. Tried all solutions known and yet some.. drafted to this some heavy dev colleagues but still there.

Frustrating isn't it, perhaps the Hermes just isn't ready for WM6, would be logical as they haven't launched the Hermes OEM with WM6 yet have they?
Cheers, Ash

If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.

Sleuth255 said:
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Can do, how do you believe its better than the rest? Where can I get it from?
Thanks mate!

Click the link on my sig.
My ROM is a graft and is not based on any one m$ hermes build. It has components from a number of different devices.

Sleuth255 said:
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the serious in my book, so I should definitely do so. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame), and I am pretty dependant on my phone.. but... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
However Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere if you push it to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to be reasonably well, then use it in the kitchen for "our flavours", but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM ?

Sleuth255 said:
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the honorable in my address book, so I should definitely try yours, thank you. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame) with LVSW-Elf 2.1, and I am pretty dependant on my phones.. However... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
In any case Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere. At least if you push the envelope to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to first be reasonably solid, then use it in the kitchen for cooking our flavours, but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM at all, and if it is how come it ain't published on HTC support site yet ?
Questions..questions... but it's fun, isn't it ?

HTC's core CE/XIP for hermes was RTM as of v5.2.1238 and is quite stable IMO. It's the IMGFS that's buggy.
Hermes has always had issues coming out of standby and this delay is what affects the time the call connects to the time you hear the first ring. I noticed this the very first time I tried my TyTN (coming from a Wizard).
I've always wanted to uncover the specific code that handles this because there's also a nagging bit that forces portrait mode as a workaround for the magnets in the case Because of this, I have to disable standby whenever I'm using my stowaway bt keyboard.
edit: SOD could be solved as well by dis-assembling this code...

Sleuth, I agree with you (again). And you are also very right on RTM (I happen to be somehow..remotely... connected to them people in Redmond, but I shouldn't exploit this subject too much here.....
Anyway it's pi__ing me off quite a lot and the "Israeli Team" has given SOD a good chunk of time to no result. What amazes me is that this is one Huge issue that doesn't ring an alarm at HTC's.. BTW assuming that under the hood Hermes 100 and Hermes 200 are one and the same (so says my favorite CTO), I can't understand how would my JasJam (original WM5 ROM) be bullet proof in respect to SOD, while my TyTn showed SOD and call delay on WM5 as well. Maybe all Hermesses weren't born equal (and I refer to the latest crop, post childhood issues).
I happened to work with HTC and I know them to take stuff like this seriously. What happens here ....

So can we conclude that the Hermes wasn't ever *supposed* to run WM6, hence why all the WM6 roms just simply don't really work very well once you install just a couple of apps? Some without even installing supplemental programs?

I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.

Sleuth255 said:
I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.
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I agree with Sleuth, WM6 works so much better on my TyTn than WM5... In every way.
Ok, the (slight) wakeup delay at phonecalls is there but certainly no more than with WM5. And Sleuth's new ROM is very stabile, pretty fast and with very little memory leaks.
At least it is in my case...

Ive been using WM6 releases for hermes since they first surfaced
my favourites are
Schap's WM6 Pro 3.30c
LVSW (latest June release)
Windows Mobile VI Pro - Black 2.5
I don't use Device for gaming at all
I use It strictly for work, this means:
Organizing my day with SBSH PocketBreeze
Chatting with Live messenger
see the weather news with weatherPanel (Schap's ROM replaced my choice of weatherpanel)
I work with/edit simple word documents on the road and e-mail them
Take many photos and record videos
and also watch big videos 22~50megs in both .wmv and .3gp format
Surely some ROM's were a real pain and unstable
with the above mentioned ROM's
My device Is stable and fast
Reading around thoughts and opinions surely will help many new to the PDA scene and surely will reward them with knowledge and make their WM experience more fun and useful rather than adventurous and experimenting
Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
Just my 2 cents

sugardad said:
Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
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Same here, I'm very pleased with WM6 (currently vp3G). I've installed some apps and its faster and more stable than before. I have no freezes, no sleeps of dead, no lock ups - with none of the Roms.
Programs in use:
Always running:
.) ILauncher
.) PhotoContactsPro
.) BatteryStatus
Installed:
.) Mobipocket Reader
.) SK Tools
.) Vijay's Brighter Screen
.) enAlarm
.) GS Finder
.) Total Commander
.) PocketIrked

My first WM6 ROM was the XDA Live.. then I started playing with the free storage.. created modified XDA Live ROM ( later called "WM6 Brick" because it wouldn't boot for ppl without MFG BL).. anyway.. a week later I bricked my Hermes completely trying to get it working with all BLs.. Then I was out for 2 months.. as my Hermes was being repaired..
When it came back I started flashing it with different WM6 roms.. (I guess I liked it much more when there had been only one wm6 rom available). They've all looked nice.. but none of them have been stable. I don't care so much about the speed.. but I hate when it freezes while I am scrolling the file list in the built-in Explorer.. and this happens with all WM6 roms I've tested.
I guess that at some point it will be stable enough for me to use it.. but as I don't need html-emails.. or sd-card encryption I guess I'll stick to WM5 for a while :/

I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim

I have tried both the Elf V2.1 and the BlackShadow and both have worked very well for me so far. I have so far only added the following external apps:
1. Ateksoft Webcamera Plus
2. Adobe Flash Lite 2.1
3. Adobe Reader LE 2
I definitely love my phone now even more so than when I first bought it when it came with WM5.

ROM, Radios, Carriers, Phones each has its own benefits, if you put some together they dnt work, you can change one thing it could work.
i can honestly say that i have only had problems with the early blacks, shadow works fine for me, wheras others worship black 2.5.
personally i always use sleuths roms they definately the fastest & most stable (for me anyway!!)
One last tip
Unless you are in the UK dont use radio 1.43 it is designed for the UK and not too good elsewhere

Newb-Tech-Realtor said:
I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim
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I think my v3.0 *almost* fits your "perfect rom"

Strange !! flashing the Schap's WM6 Pro 3.60a ROMs memory less than actual

I flashed the Schap's WM6 Pro 3.60a ROMs many times but I have the Memory indicating less than the one in screen shot of the ROM
I make hard rest many times , NO WAY
see picture attached that compare the real memory of the ROM as shown in screen shot of Schap's WM6 Pro 3.60a ROMs
and my HERMES memory directlly after flashing the ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=48580&stc=1&d=1188406997
I did not installed ANY app.
what to do ?

What's wrong with posting in the thread for Schaps rom 3.60....

Sorry for that
But can anybody explain why i have lower Memory than the original in screen shoots
again I did not install any.. just flashing the ROM and I have lower memory
thanx

You sure you did not add anything on startup? or you have a clean EXT ROM?

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You sure you did not add anything on startup? or you have a clean EXT ROM?
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Yes Sure Bcus I try flashing the ROM 3 times and make hard rest 2 times still
the Memo less

i used X01HT & Schap's WM6 pro 3.60a....and be the same with you...
Big Storgare only: 51.96 MBs...
Maybe X01HT only have 51.96 MBs...cannot bigstorgare anymore
(i'm VietNamese...Sorry for my English)

I have similar memory issues and have posted something in the Schaps 3.60a thread, but, errrr, cant find my post now lol...

Starfury said:
I have similar memory issues and have posted something in the Schaps 3.60a thread, but, errrr, cant find my post now lol...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1458772#post1458772

You think not truly
Even the memory is shown as less but it runs faster than any other ROMs.Try to use it in progress, some applications, they work great and faster. Furthermore, Schap is a great moderator.

winforall_xda-developers said:
Even the memory is shown as less but it runs faster than any other ROMs.Try to use it in progress, some applications, they work great and faster. Furthermore, Schap is a great moderator.
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Yeh the ROM is great and I cant remember any points where I had any problems with slowdown. I check the active apps list and close stuff I am not using regularly anyway.
Waiting eagerly for his next release and a new radio rom to fix the 1.51 problems (edit: yes I know Schaps has nothing to do with the Radio rom).
OT a sec but you think Orange will nerf Windows Live out of their version of the Tytn II?

It looks many people have this problem ,
what is your idea Schaps about this issue

Solution is simple
Guys,
In order to get the memory figures fromt the Schaps 3.60a post, you need to install the LITE version and NOT THE FULL one. Then you will get what you expect
Now for some reason I was not happy with the LITE one because it reported something like 28 MB for programs even after taking the Home weather Plugin off the today screen.
So what I did was I used the full version, dumped the rom, took out some stuff and put others in, repackaged the rom and flashed.
I got what I wanted and my program storage is up to 30MB after a soft reset and no htc home plugin in the today screen.

You can use Dinarsoft's Memaid 2 . It has 4 setups in one of its tabs you can choose of.
Memory,Extreme Memory,Speed, Extreme Speed. It changes font cashe,file system cashe values and other stuffs.
With Extreme Memory you can have these or similar values but with Extreme Speed you get a more reactive device.
Choose by your needs

WM6 ROMs memory 'leaking' - comparison

IMO it would be useful to compare the new WM6 ROMs regarding the memory leaking. I mean mainly the ROMs with Home Plugin and/or Cube, because they proved to be quite memory hungry.
I think the latest versions should be counted: Tom's B&B 4.3, Meschle's Touch 3.0 and/or 3.01, and Vanilla 2.0, Bepe's build 0.53, maybe Fracoon's 2.2 too. But every experience on any rom regarding RAM decrease can be interesting.
I launch this thread because, as I see, this problem is the weakest point of many cooked rom (and maybe of the official versions too). So, let's say: after a half-day-long usage, without soft reset but running e.g. Tomtom, Windows Messenger, Ms Office, any music player etc. how much free Program memory (RAM) do you have? (Before measuring close all programs and run Hibernate once.)
I konow it's impossible to have an exact picture since every PDA is different, some owner-installed programs can be a big memory-consumer, but anyhow, sharing our experience might show some tendencies and help us to choose the ROM nearest to our needs.
So I begin:
Currently using Tom's 4.3, after half a day of normal usage it's around 18-19 M (from 25). -- IMO it's not bad, I've heard about far bigger leakage.
My previous rom was HTC official WM6 (3.13.405.1 WWE) it also started with around 25 M and 'ended' with 20 M. (but it doesn't have Cube).
cheers,

I've tried with meschel artemis touch 2.1 lite with cube and 3.0 lite with cube.
about 12.5 MB with first one and about 19.8/20 with other.
Great work, meschle!!!
Bye

I had Meschle's Premium Plus w/o cube and it averaged about 16-17Meg. Now I've got the Touch 3.01 and I get as low as 13Meg but I'm also running MS Voice Command which is a huge memory hog. If I didn't have MSVC I would prob still be at 16-17Meg with the programs I have running. The official WM5 P3300 ROM left about 18-19Meg avail on average.

You need to run hibernate!
I have tried different ROMs and found a workaround which up to now is not very convenient but effective: Use "Hibernate" after closing each application oder settings tab. This small app is included in many cooked ROMs, it releases memory.
First thing I do after a soft reset is using hibernate since it releases about 1-1.5 MB and that gave me at best times 28 MB RAM, I think that was with B&B v3.0 GER.
I think it is possible to combine the X-Button with hibernate through MortScript. MortScript is a Scripting tool for WM and can automate certain things, since you have to be familiar with programming and need a lot of patience I still didn't try it.
I don't know if Wisbar is able to perform two tasks when pushing the X Button. Then you could assign it to closing the app and then starting hibernate. Maybe I will ask the programmer if he will produce a version without the window that shows up every time, then it would be perfect.
I assigned hibernate to one of my buttons, when I close big apps I always run hibernat.

Registerme said:
I assigned hibernate to one of my buttons, when I close big apps I always run hibernat.
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Yes, I also often use Hibernate. I assigned it with HButton to teh OK/Close button (first function: close; scond: Hibernate).
I assumed that almost everyone use it, that's why I suggested in the first post that even the measuring should be after closing all apps and applying Hibernate.

Manilla2d trinity resources hog?

Hi, everyone on the forum, I was wondering if you were having trouble making manilly2d work smoothly on your trinities. My trinity becomes relatively sluggish and free memory drops pretty soon. When trying to use gps software it locks, freezes etc. Same with Opera browser.
How are your Trinities handling great looking manilla2d?

Use one of the ROMs with Manila2D cooked into. Its far better than installing it afterwards.

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Use one of the ROMs with Manila2D cooked into. Its far better than installing it afterwards.
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I Confirm!!!!

I was wondering if we could get Manilla running faster converting Manila2D.exe (1MB) or its dlls into module...

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Hi, everyone on the forum, I was wondering if you were having trouble making manilly2d work smoothly on your trinities. My trinity becomes relatively sluggish and free memory drops pretty soon. When trying to use gps software it locks, freezes etc. Same with Opera browser.
How are your Trinities handling great looking manilla2d?
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ROMS with Manila cooked in work only slightly slower, not enough to bother me at all. I think it all depends on what 3rd party software you then install on top.
The trick is either finding a Manila ROM which more or less everything you need it already (like Ervius's ROMS) or naked ROMS which have only the minimum (like Chalid's ROMS).
Also, I recommend using Mpenguin14's "M2DC (Manilla 2D Customizer)" to get rid of the Manila tabs at that the bottom that you don't really need. This reduces memory consumption and therefore improves performance. Some cooks are putting it into their ROMS, but there is a cab you can download too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427392
Mattster.

Thanks for all the advice I allready noticed beter performance with album and audio player tab turned off but nevertheless it seems slower.

mosec said:
Thanks for all the advice I allready noticed beter performance with album and audio player tab turned off but nevertheless it seems slower.
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I gave up on manilla and htc home. The clock can be replaced by PDC, weather by spb weather(there's probably a lighter solution though), app launcher by the start menu(people usually don't use a wide variety of apps, start menu can list the latest which will do just fine), sms/mms/calendar/tasks by the respective native plugins.
All the other apps are cute but useless, like, you already have a speed dial on the phone app, as for media just launch the respective apps.

manilla on trinity
Hi, I am happily running chalid's rom with Manilla2d - meaning that it runs correctly but can become quite slow (for example, A2DP skips if i keep wifi or other programs in the background). The problem, in my opinion, is not Manilla but...our trinity. The low amount of RAM makes any program which is consuming memory running slowly and/or lacking responsiveness. Try Igo8, for example, and plan a long route...this is true beyond manilla, and the less memory you have free, the more sluggish it becomes...
I came to the empirical conclusion that TNYYNT Roms are faster simply since he is keeping memory consumption/allocation low, and this is why Chalid's 0.8 is faster than any other manilla2d i've tried. For example, i was not able to run tomtom efficiently on ervius' rom - but it ALMOST works correctly with chalid's (which is based on TNYYNT as you know).
My conclusion: upgrade to touch HD ! it is the obvious way to improve the trinity: better screen, better CPU, better RAM....

lately i been using PDAviet ROM .44 and the manila user interface is relly fast and pleasant to use - the only think that I'm craving for is more RAM in the device
All is well if one application is running but have a few open and the sistem will complain
One thing that I see with this ROM is that if you start a memory intensive application - like opera 9 or your tube or tom tom it will close the ManilaUI temporarly and restart it automatically when you close the application so everything runs fast - but only one thing at the time

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Chalid's 0.8 is faster than any other manilla2d i've tried. For example, i was not able to run tomtom efficiently on ervius' rom - but it ALMOST works correctly with chalid's (which is based on TNYYNT as you know).
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Hi Pzucchel.
Thanks for your advice the other day on sd cards.
I have a new Kingston 4GB Micro SD (SDHC) Card coming tomorrow and going to reinstall Tomtom 6 onto it. Then I have to pick a ROM! I love the Manila 2D interface, have tried practically all of the current ROMS, but I can't have Tomtom letting me down.
When you say Tomtom ALMOST works on Chalid's, what happened? Did it come out of the program half way through a journey?
And on Ervius' Rom... were you not even able to start Tomtom?
Mattster.

I switched back to a non manilla2d rom and my trinity is flying again! Windows are opening fast and overall performance is better, igo 8 works without crashing. Manilla looks great but I'm gonna hold back for now! Bye all

64M Ram a problem, but here is a work around
pzucchel has raised the main issue- it's not the code, the ROM the M2D or iGO8. Our Trinity is only 64M RAM, and with operating system, if we have 25-27M free RAM we are lucky. Running M2D will normally eat up 10M or so more. With careful memory management it will not slow down our phone. however it will not allow to have M2D as a today plug-in and run iGO8...
Having M2D in the cooked ROM helps a bit as far as speed (not significant) but will not help in memory management. So that was the *****ing part of the post. now let's have a work around. It is not a solution- yet it will allow us to enjoy M2D and iGO8 without getting crazy, and without a need to reset the phone 7 times a day...
1. Install a naked ROM. Look for ones that allow 25M free RAM after installation. There are few of them. If they are naked+M2D and leave 20M free, it is good enough. Having M2D in the ROM means no M2D updates possible. Having M2D installed manually means lots of work and a bit slower performance- each one knows what's best for himself.
2. install SKTOOLS 4.4.1 (Buy it! it worth the investment). Optimize to maximum memory. Our good old trinity works fast enough even with this setup. Also- turn shadow services on to free RAM. Don't mess up with anything else there. We are after more free RAM ONLY !
3. Install mToday. It's a small nifty free tool, that allows the user to switch easy between today plug-ins. Set M2D on one screen, and iGO8 on the 2nd one. Assign a key for mToday so by a push of a button you can switch M2D off and get iGO8 plug in on... For the lazy ones I am attaching it.
4. Make sure the following lines are in your sys.txt in the IGO8 folder. I mean the one in main memory under program files, not the SD folder, although for recovery purposes, make them both identical:
[debug]
cache=2048
reserve_memory=1500000
[navigation]
sim_speed_factor=3
True- it still will not allow using TTS , but that is kind of pushing the limits of the phone. I could use TTS if I turn the phone off, kill 3G and GPRS, push no mail, etc. but after all if I wanted a GPS device only, I could have bought one..
5. For TomTom users- same thing - kill M2D using mToday and keep running it. I did not try TT7 but TT6 was very much an easy run on the trinity, before I moved to iGO8.
Special thanks to the cookers, current and the ones who left this forum, for their dedication, time spent for this community, and insight. I am merely a tester, and I hope this post will make some other trinity users happy campers.
Cheers
BigE

I had no problems running the WWE evirus rom with M2D and Tomtom7

Mattster_spv said:
Hi Pzucchel.
Thanks for your advice the other day on sd cards.
I have a new Kingston 4GB Micro SD (SDHC) Card coming tomorrow and going to reinstall Tomtom 6 onto it. Then I have to pick a ROM! I love the Manila 2D interface, have tried practically all of the current ROMS, but I can't have Tomtom letting me down.
When you say Tomtom ALMOST works on Chalid's, what happened? Did it come out of the program half way through a journey?
And on Ervius' Rom... were you not even able to start Tomtom?
Mattster.
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I have no problem running tomtom7 and igo8 with chalid's 0.8rom.
but before i run igo, i have to close all running apps first.
like bigE mentioned, invest in SKTools. It's a great utility. I have its "free ram" apps as one of my shortcut. i always run it bfore i run any gps apps.

iGO8 and M2D- is it really running together?
rockuman_ex,
Yes, iGO may seem to work with while M2D is on, but, is it really? Here are some observations:
1. Choose to calculate a 1,000 mile away destination when they both are on - even with SKTOOLS I am running out of memory for iGO.
2. Have them both run, and try answering a call at the same time. Even with 1.5M reserved for 'non iGO' use in the sys.txt - most likely phone will freeze.
I have no experience with TT7. I have abandoned TT for iGO because I am travelling to destinations I could not have maps for TT in the TT6 era. I have got spolied by iGO and can't go back to TT, although I have to admit TT is making more sense for the trinity. But like all of us- I want it all...
I regretfully think that in the near future I will go with another HTC phone, waiting for AT&T to offer the HD here in the US. I have spent around $700 for the trini about 18 months ago, no realizing 64M will kill me so quick. Oh well- that is what we call experience, learning from mistakes...

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rockuman_ex,
I regretfully think that in the near future I will go with another HTC phone, waiting for AT&T to offer the HD here in the US. I have spent around $700 for the trini about 18 months ago, no realizing 64M will kill me so quick....
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I'd say these days, 18 months with one phone is pretty good