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8GB SD card debuts!!!

From PRETEC, here:-
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=6609
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I found one on eBay for £96.00 + £4.00 p&p.
150X 8GB OEM SAMSUNG SECURE DIGITAL SD CARD 8 GB G NEW
Looks good.

Gonna test that on Universalinux too?

wonder if it will work in a prophet (JAMin)

RE
If your PDA do not have a SDHC slot then PRETEC card is not backward compatible
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"SDHC cards are recognized by new SDHC host devices differently than standard SD cards and are not backward compatible with legacy SD format host devices. "
Bad luck!!

What IS SDHC compatible?

I was gonna ask that one, so i will ask it anyway!
What is SDHC?
Never mind, i found this information:
http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/pdf/retail/SDHC1.pdf#search="sdhc compatible"
But now we need to know whether our Universal is SDHC compatible or not. Has anyone managed to find out if these new cards work with our PDA's?

Maximum capacity for this device: May support up to 2GB
But we know that's already true. So...

This quote is right from the article linked to by the first post here...
The maximum capacity of SD card is 2GB under SD 1.1 of Secure Digital Alliance (SDA) specification; however, by using file format of FAT32, many SD 1.1 host devices can use a 4GB SD card. SD 1.0/1.1 uses traditional "Byte Addressing" scheme which limits the maximum capacity to 4GB while SD 2.0 adopts "Sector Addressing" scheme which can reach the maximum capacity of 2TB (2048GB).
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In other words, they 'cheat' to get the Universal and other SD 1.1 devices to see 4G, but that won't work with the 8G cards.
Brett

Would the Universal still not work with an 8GB SD card if that card was partitioned into 2x 4GB's? It certainly would be helpful if someone could try this? You just never know!

re
I guess no one will know for sure until someone tries it. BTW how do you partition a SD card anyways? Do you really think that could work?

hello
if SD 2.0 is the later version then would not all new 4 GB SD cards support "sector addressing" which would limit the ma. capacity to 2 GB

I have a 4gb that works in uni
I keep reading that people aren't able to use anything above a 2gb SD but I have been using a 4gb that I purchased on eBay for pver 6 months now. I used in with the original Jasjar ROM and also with JWrite's, Indra, and currently Helmi's. (not with the WM6's yet though)
It is interesting to note however that it won't work in any of my desktop or laptop systems without the included dongle. Not even the built in SD slot in my TC1100 tablet.
It says it's made by a company called "TopRam" if that helps anyone.
I also purchased an 8gb that SUPPOSEDLY supports SD 1.1 and 2.0 according to the documentation. It took a great deal of hunting to find one that didn't say it was HC and I'm still skeptical as to whether or not it will actually work, but as soon as it comes in and I have a chance to try it I will post the results here if anyone is interested.
I know there are one or two people here who make claims of such things, but if there are any doubters I will take some screenshots of the storage card memory screen if I need to.

SDHC uses a different software for the controller. The hardware is exactly the same. The point I'm trying to make, is that the SD people went to very radical lengths to ensure that there is no compatibility betweens SD and SDHC. They also have two different kinds of memory addressing. Bottom line, you can't use SDHC. Your device must say SDHC, and AFAIK, no PDA is SDHC compatible. With all of that said, I'm a Scoter owner, and we have valid reports of being able to access SDHC cards from a PC, through my device. It may be possible to create drivers for the SD controller, or create some kind of emulator, but that is a long way off. I've seen similar threads about those asking about 4 GB and 8 GB. Unfortunetly most don't understand the difference between SD and SDHC. SD is capable of 4 GB. SDHC starts at 2 GB and has potential in the terrabyte range. In addition, many of the real cheap 4 GB SD cards don't strictly adhere to SD standards, and may work on some reader designs, and not on others. A perfect example is that I bought a 4 GB SD card, that only works on one card reader, but not my PC reader or PDA.
Regards,
Jason

SDHC Patch
I just read on a forum for Palm Treo that they have a working patch for the Treo which forms compatibility of SDHC on the Treo.
Now perhaps we can take a lesson from them and see what changes where needed to make it work. Besides, you can't tell me that there are more people working of patches for the PalmOS than WM.

well , the sdhc 8gb does not work on my xda exec-universal. so I just bought a 4gbcard "MyMemory 4GB 133X SD" from ebay that is stated as being compatible 21.94 pounds.
I'll just use my sdhc 8gb as an expensive mem stick in my sweex sdhc reader .

got it
So I received my 8gb (supposedly NON SDHC) and as expected, it won't read in my Jasjar. I am going to try and reformat it into 2 or 4gb partitions to see if that will work but I am going guess and say no. It is already in fat32 but it doesn't recognize the card at all in the PDA. Just to make sure it was in fact a full 8gb (7.6gb actually) I copied a handfull of movies (7gb) to it and then ran them on another laptop and it is in fact a good card.
I can't repartition it in XP since it sees it as a removable disk, so as soon as I get my Linux laptop back up and running, I will repartition it there and see what happens. I don't expect much though.

TBOMB said:
So I received my 8gb (supposedly NON SDHC) and as expected, it won't read in my Jasjar.
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Could you, please, try AKU 3.5 ROM (Helmi 1.3.1 or Ivan B2)?
Because this ROM comes from device which support SDHC.
There were reports also, that Triniti with last Dopod ROM (AKU 3.5)
support Mini SDHC 4GB (maximum for mini SD now).
BTW tell us which ROM you are tryinng.

why not
If someone will send me the link to the rom files, I'll be glad to. I just don't have a lot of time right now to search the ftp site.
Two questions about Helmi's 1.3.1, first, will it support my bluetooth stereo headset like the pdaviet 207 I'm using now does? and second, I don't suppose any of these new roms has the new timechange fix already applied do they? I just don't want to keep reflashing my Jasjar and still having to apply all the reg fixes etc to correct for the new timezone/dst changes.

Guess nobody was in a hurry for me to test using the other ROMs as I have had no PM's with info as to where I can find the ROMS now that they are no longer on the ftp server here.
I find my copy of Helmi's aku3.5 1.3 and tried it with the 8gb (non-sdhc) card with no luck. I assumed as much. Not quite sure where you heard that it had SDHC support but I guess it doesn't.
I had the PDAVIET 2.0.0.0.7 or whatever the latest incarnation was and that didn't work either. I now have Helmi's WM6 1.1 that I put on last night and that one also doesn't work.
I'm sure we have some developers out there who know palm and ppc hardware who can take a look at the "fix" that was created for the Treo which allows SDHC use. I can "open" the prc file but I don't know enough about what I'm looking at to be helpful.
Not sure why this fix is so slow coming. Perhaps not enough people see the need for 8gb cards. I have a 4gb but I have to continue taking off stuff in order to put anything else on because it's always full.

Does the 4GB MiniSD card work in WM6

Does anyone know if a 4GB MiniSD card works in WM6? Or does it have the same problems as WM5? And is your card a MiniSD or a MiniSDHC

Hi, I have a Topram miniSD 4GB running on my Trinity with mUm ROM and it works but it's not a HCSD!

I have a Transcend 4GB SDHC and it iworks fine.

MobyMemory miniSD 4GB is also working fine on mUn's WM6 2.0.0.SE.

My minisd 4gb sandisk sdhc works well with mun's rom

Oooo this is very promising!

Another one. I have a 4GB Transcend miniSD HCSD working without problems in mUm-ROM.

So, with WM6 the 4GB Transcend miniSDHC are working, while with the original WM5 it doesn't ? Should I confirm my order from flashman582 on ebay then?

goudkamp said:
So, with WM6 the 4GB Transcend miniSDHC are working, while with the original WM5 it doesn't ? Should I confirm my order from flashman582 on ebay then?
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I'd give it a month or two, incase they start corrupting or something.

my 4GB sdhc transcend just got corrupted after a couple of weeks of working well. Can't even read it with external reader

Sagit said:
Another one. I have a 4GB Transcend miniSD HCSD working without problems in mUm-ROM.
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Its this a new one? Class2?
4GB Mini SDHC Card Transcend Class 2 (TS4GSDMHC)
http://direkt.jacob-computer.de/4GB...Class_2_(TS4GSDMHC)_artnr_130432.html?ref=109
Is this ok? color black?
Greats Remo

Radom55 said:
Its this a new one? Class2?
4GB Mini SDHC Card Transcend Class 2 (TS4GSDMHC)
http://direkt.jacob-computer.de/4GB...Class_2_(TS4GSDMHC)_artnr_130432.html?ref=109
Is this ok? color black?
Greats Remo
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Yes it is. I buied in http://www.goibuy.com/product_info....d=728&osCsid=b7a2c7879b4743d49ced2c7f14d7e9c7

Thanks Sagit

bandiet said:
my 4GB sdhc transcend just got corrupted after a couple of weeks of working well. Can't even read it with external reader
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Is this with WM6 though? Just to clarify..

Confirm no problem for me till now using 4GB Transcend miniSD. Only can not read the card with a card reader in my PC.

For Heijdemann
Hello,
Its normal you can't read SDHC card on your computer you need a specific ReadWriter For SDHC.
Like this : http://www.akihabaranews.com/fr/news-12886-Lecteur+Compact+24+en+1+avec+SDHC+support..html
Private.
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private69 said:
Hello,
Its normal you can't read SDHC card on your computer you need a specific ReadWriter For SDHC.
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Exactly. Also if you want to buy one at a retail shop, Sandisk makes card readers that will read the SDHC cards.

Thx for the info Guys......

SD/SDHC Memory Card Formatting Software
Matterhorn said:
Exactly. Also if you want to buy one at a retail shop, Sandisk makes card readers that will read the SDHC cards.
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SD/SDHC Memory Card Formatting Software
http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/sd/download/sd_formatter.html

My Transcend 4gb SDHC works well for a couple of weeks and mUn wm6 rom, but yesterday got damage, i really don't now why and now it is unreadable, also with a pc reader.
I want to try the panasonic formatter now, but what a mess.
That card was unreadeble with WM5.
I want also to try LSVW rom just to now where is the problem.
Thanks.
RUps

4 GB MicroSD, does it exist? does it work?

I've done a lot of searches, but I haven't found any thread that solves my doubts...
I have a 2 GB Sandisk MicroSD in my HTC P3300 and it works perfectly (in fact I never suffered the corruption bug), but this is very few storage for me so I need a 4 GB memory card. My questions are:
1st - Does it exist any 4 GB MicroSD (not MicroSDHC)? I've readen some posts talking about them and I've seen some links in eBay shops, but nobody has confirmed if they are fakes. Anybody could tell me if 4 GB MicroSD exist and where to buy them?
2nd - If you have a 4 GB MicroSD, have you tested it in your HTC Artemis? Does it work? Have you got WM5 or WM6? Official or "non-official" ROM?
3rd - If you have a 4 GB MicroSDHC, have you tested it in your HTC Artemis? Does it work? Have you got WM5 or WM6? Official or "non-official" ROM?
I've opened a poll to know more clearly if I have the possibility to upgrade my storage card or I'll have to bear with that poor 2 GB Sandisk... Please, vote and write a post telling which brand/model of Artemis and MicroSD/MicroSDHC do you have and what operating system and ROM version do you use
Sorry for my bad english, I hope you haven't suffered to understand this message
Thanks

Nobody has tested a 4 GB MicroSD/MicroSDHC in his Artemis? I cannot believe it!
Regards

Someone did test a 4gb card and it didn't work for hin. On my phone right now so doing a search would be a pain. Search for sdhc in the Artemis mobile 6 forum and you should find it though.

JanetPanic said:
Someone did test a 4gb card and it didn't work for hin. On my phone right now so doing a search would be a pain. Search for sdhc in the Artemis mobile 6 forum and you should find it though.
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Thank you for your answer
The thread you were talking about is this one. In one of the last posts a person says that he/she has tested a 4 GB Sandisk MicroSD in the Artemis with negative results, but doesn't specify if it's a High Capacity MicroSD (MicroSDHC) and in which OS the test was done
I would like to know more opinions and to see votes from people who has tested also a 4 GB MicroSD (HC or non-HC), I'm sure that there are more users who has experience with this kind of memory cards and we all would have a more clear idea if they tell us the detailed results
Regards

Well if you or someone can point out a couple 4 GB cards that are available in the U.S. online I will buy up to 3 to test just to try and bring some closure to the question.
The only 4GB micro SD card I could find was out of stock (J&R music). Based on a little searching it seems to perpetually be out of stock. I added myself to get an alert should it come in however.

I have done a bit of research and I am pretty sure the P3300 will not work with a 4GB card, but I am willing to try.
It is not the traces or the pinout on the card as many have surmised that is the problem though. The SDHC uses FAT32 whereas SD uses FAT16. So unless the system has the capability of reading FAT32 the question of circuitry is moot. Everything I have read points to 2GB being the limit for non SDHC and that the P3300 does not support it.
Another common misconception seems to be that there are non SDHC 4GB micro sd cards. I see no evidence that this is the case. Furthering the improbability is the fact that the Fat16 has an upper limit of a 2GB partition. (There is an exception to this where the FAT16 uses 64K clusters, but this is unlikely to be done or work in ANYTHING without custom drivers. I never even heard of this till I did this research.)
None the less I would be happy to be proven wrong.

I've read a thread somewhere in this forum where a senior member (or was it a mod?) had drivers to make the artemis sdhc capable which usually is not possible if the hardware is not built for that. Search for it and maybe you'll find it.

I have read most of those threads and none are conclusive.
You also can not do anything with drivers if the hardware is not already compatible. There is not any question that the p3300 does not officially support microsdhc.
The debate rages and a thread like this keeps coming up.

From what I've read so far, the only thing required is a SDHC driver. There should not be problem on the hardware side.
Some say the WM6 ROMs have SDHC driver. My Wizard has WM6 and the driver on it looks different, but I don't have a SDHC miniSD to verify. Ultimately, to prove it works on Artemis, I need a 4Gb SDHC microSD so I can try the stock drivers and may be copy the drivers from my Wizard.

SanDisk 4GB microSD-HC DID NOT WORK on MDA compact III
Hello,
I`ve an MDA compact III which was delivered with WM5 OS. I`ve an 2GB microSD - Card from Sandisk, working perfectly. A little bit small that thing for my big fingers... =
Now I was searching for higher capacitys of microSD - Cards and found an SanDisk microSD-HC with a capacity on 4 GB. Bought for app. 60€ and testet on my device: NOTHING. No work. The WM5 OS did`t recognise the Crad. The card is`t shown inside the System. It seems like NO card inside the device. The card is OK. There was a little USB reader in the package, where I can access to the card.
OK, maybe it is the WM5 OS and I decided to upgrade to WM6. (German O² OS using the UPL method...) The upgrade was done in 10 Minutes, but the card works NOT! The same reaction like on WM5.
Now I`m wayting for an patched OS with (maybe) an SD-HC driver inside. Let`s pray...
Best regards, Sven

The Artemis is not able to read/write microSDHC Cards. The Interface of the Artemis permits only FAT16, microSDHC works only with FAT32. Artemis cannot recognise it. Normal microSD with 4 GB if should be at least recognised.

JanetPanic: Before opening this thread I had done many searches to get information about SDHC, and I know that SDHC compatibility is a hardware problem rather than a software/drivers problem. However, I hoped that our HTC Artemis had a SDHC compatible slot, looking at HTC Trinity's example... By the way, before the Artemis I had a Dell X51v with a 4 GB SD (non-HC) that worked like a charm; I expect that in a -near- future there'll be 4 GB MicroSD cards
lSSBl: Very interesting your MicroSDHC "review", althought you have ruined most of my hopes. Let's pray that future WM6 official ROMs will give the Artemis the ability to read MicroSDHC cards
AlfredENeumann: I tell you the same as JanetPanic, the HTC doesn't have officially a HC compatible slot and however it supports that kind of memory cards. Let's pray...
Regards

@AlfredENeumann
You're wrong. The Artemis accepts FAT32 as well as FAT16 SD cards, no matter if WM5 or WM6. But that has nothing to do with SDHC, what till now doesn't work with the generic WM6 drivers.
perhaps a solution: http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6308.html

http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/pdf/retail/SDHC1.pdf

That means, that the SDHC card is NOT backward compatible - you can't format it with FAT16, but you can format any 'normal' (micro) sd- card with FAT32, and it still works at the artemis. Tested by me, and a lot of other guys.

Has anybody Tried the SDHC driver from the HTC Trinity yet?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293556

4 gb micro dilemma
Hey guys... see if you can help me out.
Installed the 4gb micro sd on my HTC Artemis and the SDHC driver from the previous post... windows mobile 5 doesn't recognize the card.
Not sure what to try, open to any suggestions.
c.

crap
Actually, after I've tried the 4gb Micro and installed the Trinity driver.. NONE of my storage cards are recognizable now. So I removed the driver.. and STILL none of my storage cards are recognized. BUSTED?!? Not sure how to fix this?
c

SanDisk have just announced an 8GB micro SDHC.... time we got these SDHC cards working in our devices! Anyone have any input on how we can find out if this is possible?

Sandisk 4gb SDHC no go
Hi all, just to let you know I tried all the WM6 rom's on these forums (thanks to all), reformated my sandisk 4gb microsd card fat 16/32 but no go..
(my 2gb sandisk card works fine with fat16/32), even tried trinity driver no go.
Hopefully the new WM6 rom from HTC this week will support it.

4GB MicroSD

Does 4GB MicroSD card work on the S621?

No... for more info, this question has been well covered in this forum, try out the search feature -- it works well.
edmondt said:
Does 4GB MicroSD card work on the S621?
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edmondt said:
Does 4GB MicroSD card work on the S621?
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It cannot support a 4GB MicroSD card because all 4GB+ are SDHC. The S620/S621 can only read up to 2GB. A phone like the HTC Touch is able to support 4GB+ SDHC memory.

But there are others who says that it works on their device running WM6.... Can anyone confirm that?

What 'others'...? Can you confirm that with a link to a particular post?
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But there are others who says that it works on their device running WM6.... Can anyone confirm that?
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chaznet said:
What 'others'...? Can you confirm that with a link to a particular post?
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Okay, I am not sure which source you are referring to BUT there was one thread where somebody found a key in the registry that was named "SDHC" which started a speculation that the Dash could of supported SDHC cards. However, it has been confirmed that SDHC in that registry meant "Secure Digital Host Controller" which is used for the STANDARD MICROSD reader.
http://www.jamerican.net/?p=9
Trust Me! If the Dash supported SDHC MicroSD cards, there would definitely be a HUGE THREAD about it.

Hello, I have a french s620 upgraded with french ROM WM6. And now with WM6 the S620 accept microSDHC.
My Sandisk microSDHC 4 GB works fine. It works fine too in my Kaiser
I m waiting for my 6 GB and test in the s620 when I receive the card.
Sorry for my bad english ...

Hmmm... same hardware here, same OS, just tried it -- my device doesn't see it. Just one of life's many mysteries I guess
roswell78 said:
Hello, I have a french s620 upgraded with french ROM WM6. And now with WM6 the S620 accept microSDHC.
My Sandisk microSDHC 4 GB works fine. It works fine too in my Kaiser
I m waiting for my 6 GB and test in the s620 when I receive the card.
Sorry for my bad english ...
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It does work...For some models I guess:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333753

SDHC on HTC 620
Well I can confirm that the 6GB SDHC card from Sandisk works brilliantly. No problems. You just have to be sure you have Windows Mobile 6.0 installed on your phone and you are good to go!

4gb works fine!
My s620 runs a 4gb SDHC frim Sandisk. it works perfect! I´ve installed WM6 on my s620. Merry Christmas!

Looks like Chaz got pwned
J/P... but looks like it may very well work

will the 6gb and 8gb micro sdhc cards work as well?

An 8GB micro SDHC card works as well !

Compatible MicroSD card manufacturers

Hello everyone, this is my first thread. I just flashed my Dash to Rick's V18 WM 6.1 rom. WOW!!! I am impressed! Thanks Rick and Kavana for your hard work! Alright now for the reason for my post: I can tell from past posts that WM 6.1 allows us to use SDHC microSD cards. And if I understand correctly 4, 6, and 8 GB are compatible. My question is what manufacturers are compatible? I have heard that not all manufacturers are compatible (at least this held true with WM 6). If anything what are some of you currently using on your Dash? Thanks!

I only use SanDisk cards. I have found them to be the most reliable in my devices.

Im using a 4gb kingston and it works fine. shop.kingston.com has some good deals. need to check daily. I paid 20 delivered for the 4gb and 11 delivered for the 2gb
4gb $26.95 $16.95 if you use google checkout for the first time at :
http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-4g...capacity-card-w-full/q/loc/101/206892289.html
2gb $8.99 shipped
http://www.supermediastore.com/pqi-2gb-micro-sd-microsd-transflash-memory-card.html

So I popped my 4GB A-Data microSD card in to my friends Dash and it wouldn't come up in the file explorer. I t works just fine in my Shadow. What is everyone using mst commonly in teir Dash? Does 2GB work best?

WWE 080408 support 8GB microSD?
I read in a forum that the new WWE 080408 support microSD 8GB. I haven't test it on yet. But, as soon as I probe that is true I'll let u know.

jmastera said:
So I popped my 4GB A-Data microSD card in to my friends Dash and it wouldn't come up in the file explorer. I t works just fine in my Shadow. What is everyone using mst commonly in teir Dash? Does 2GB work best?
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I know on a stock WM 6.0 Dash the max is 2 GB. On a Dash with a flashed rom, it will take 4 GB or greater.

A-data works 4gb sdhc
using 4gb sdhc class6; no problems. Their adapter to regular sd size has issues, had to use kingston adapter, other than that no problems.

I flashed to rickys v23 rom and my kingston 4gb started working so I said what the heck and took it back and exchanged it for an 8gb sandisk which works as well.

jmastera said:
So I popped my 4GB A-Data microSD card in to my friends Dash and it wouldn't come up in the file explorer. I t works just fine in my Shadow. What is everyone using mst commonly in teir Dash? Does 2GB work best?
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The stock T-Mobile ROM will not accept anything above 2GB if I remember correctly. You need an official HTC or new, cooked 6.1 ROM to use anything greater than 2GB.
I have a 4GB Scandisk card. It works perfectly fine with any the current 6.1 ROMs out there for the Dash/HTC S620. 8, 12, and 16 should work as well (up to 32GB I think).

I use a Transcend 4GB SDHC card with the HTC WM6 rom without any issues.

A-DATA
I have a 4GB A-DATA SDHC... wouldn't work on stock T-mobile ROM
after flashing to HTC's ROM, I got it working