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WiFi won't turn on until soft-reset

Hi,
I tried searching for this, but couldn't find anything, so I'm hoping someone here would be able to help out. I currently have a Siemens SX66 ROM v1.40.00 WWE, Radio v1.13.00 ExtROM v1.40.125 WWE
Now, it's strange, but, if I don't have WiFi activated for an extended period of time, and I try to turn it on from the WiFi Manager but what happens is, I'll get that rotating "wait" icon with the colors, and then the WiFi will NOT turn on. However, if I perform a soft-reset (which I don't like having to do, cuz then the "phone" is out of commission until it's back up and running), the WiFi'll be automatically on when it finally loads up fully from the soft-reset.
I don't suppose anyone knows what causes this, and if there's any way to fix this? I'd be forever obliged!!
Thanks,
Quordandis

Hi quordandis,
That sounds like a faulty ROM version. Have you tried a newer or a different ROM version?
Does WiFi work again normally after a hard reset?

I've seen similar behavior on my SX66 with sysrom 1.40. It only started about a week ago, when I was running radio rom 1.12 and extrom 1.40.124 (both of which I'd been running for months). Last weekend, I upgraded to radio rom 1.13 and extrom 1.40.125 -- WiFi works a little better, but it still gets into a mode where it won't connect, and requires one or more soft resets.
The fact that it started only recently suggests a hardware issue -- if it were software, updating the radio & ext roms (each of which involves a hard reset) should have fixed it.

Well, if it is a faulty ROM, then would reflashing the radio rom do the trick? I'm guessing by your question that i may not have the correct radio rom installed. How would i go about discerning which is the correct one?

I don't think it's a faulty ROM. I'd been running the same ROM for months when the problem started, and updating the radio & ext ROM didn't improve things too much.
If you want to get new roms, the SX66 Standardization Project is the place to get them.

I have this problem too on my pda2K. Using the latest ROM build from imate.

My experience and that of others on the forum suggests to me that this is indeed a software/firmware issue.. Most likely a conflict between the radio, bluetooth and wi fi components for the various ROMS in use on the BA. personal experience is that wi fi was just horrible on my original O2 1.31 ROM with 3500 Bluetooth stack, better on the 1.40.176 i-mate ROM, and better still on my current 1.40.923 O2 Asia ROM. So unless I have some kind of self healing hardware built into my device, my money is on the ROM as being at the heart of this particular issue
Regards
Chris

well,to me xda phone r good in reset thats all.

I have the same problem too..
Did a flash of the ROM from the seeo2.com website..
Still happening.. I'll almost bald due to this problem..
Currently waiting for the WM5 to be stable.. before I get myself into more hair loosing project or attempts.

So,
I still don't know what I should do. I originally updated the radio rom from the blue angel standardization site. I don't know what to do at this point. I HATE having to soft-reset every time I want to get WiFi up and running.
The wierd part is, sometimes after it being on for an extended period of time, it'll work fine, and sometimes, it won't...I don't know what to do at this point...
Thanks,
Quordandis

Hi quordandis
How are you turning the wifi on and off? With the green wi fi manager button, or via the wifi/gprs connection Icon thats at the top of the screen next to the signal strenth indicator. Also, are you turning it on and off frequently or just leaving it on all the time?
Regards
chris

Yes, I'm using the WiFi manager, the little antenna icon on the bottom of the screen, when I tap it, loads up 3 options to connect to the internet each with it's own button GPRS, Bluetooth, and WiFi. I would normally tap the WiFi button (the last of the 3) which normally turns on the WiFi antenna, and it begins searching for available wifi networks, but sometimes, i'll tap it, and it'll just stay orange (instead of green when it's turned on). I won't even get an error message or something (which happens sometimes when I try to turn on bluetooth - something about insufficient memory or whatnot - anyone have a solution to THAT too?)
I don't leave my wifi on all the time, as I don't always have a wifi network readily available...
Any suggestions?

Hi quordandis
Give this a try....
1. Move the BTTRey file out of the start folder and into the start menu folder.
2. Go into start/settings/menus and select this file so that it shows up when you drop down the start menu. This will allow you to easily launch bluetooth when you need it
3. Softrest the device. It should restart without the bluettooth icon appearing at the bottom right of the screen.
4. launch the wireless icon at the bottom right of screen and then turn wireless on if it is not already on.
5. From this point only use the GPRS/WIFI icon next to the signal strength indicator to switch between GPRS and WIFI
I believe that there is some kind of conflict occuring between the bluetooth, GPRS and WIFI that is causing this problem.
Give that a try and see if it helps
Regards
Chris

Hi,
I don't understand something. Why should moving the BT tray icon have any effect on my wifi. Would you mind explaining how this would "fix" my wifi refusing to turn on?
The only time I activate gprs, is from the taskbar icon on the top of the screen that's a little "G" otherwise, BT is usually turned on from the BT icon, and WiFi from the little antenna, which really loads up the wirless lan manager that shows me the status (whether wifi is off, or searching, or connected) as well as the connection details like SSID, Tx Rate, MAC address, IP, etc etc
Thanks,
Quordandis

Hi Quordandis
Moving the BTTRay file from the start folder will prevent bluetooth from loading on startup. My personal belief, that I can only validate from annecdotal evidence, is that the combination of bluetooth, wifi and gprs all running at the same time causes some kind of conflicts that inhibit switching between communication channels. By stopping bluetooth, you eliminate one source of possible problems. Now I have no idea if this can be explained in a more technical way, but all I can tell you is that when I operate in this mode, my GPRS/WIFI switching is pretty stable. I have not really looked into why. Just thankful that it is!!
regards
Chris

I had the same problem having BTTray in startup folder and PDA2K unidirectional patch installed.
The way I get back WIFI connecting is :
Start - Settings - Connections
Connections
Configure Proxy server
Check "This network connect to Internet"
Leave "This network connect to internet through Proxy server" unchecked.
This made me the trick to get back my WIFI connection.
I can now play with WIFI again !
I still have BTTray running from start folder.
The PDA2K Unidirectional patch correct the "nosound" problem when calling.

Also, and I forgot to mention, turn on/off bluetooth.

Even worse wifi...
Hi all,
My wifi is even worse than that of quordandis!
The following is the case:
1. I launch wifi manager with the little antenna in the bottom right corner.
2. In the upcoming window (where all th einformation on wifi networks such as SSID, signal strength etc. are shown) I check the checkbox in the upper left corner and hit OK.
3. The little "wait" circle with the colors comes up and rotates, and then just disappears both the wifi manager and the colored circle.
4. The wifi LED (left greenish) starts to blink.
5. However absolutely NO network is found! The little antenna in the bottom right corner has the red line accross it again (wifi off). So I hit the little antenna again, wifi manager comes up and the checkbox in the upper-left corner is UNchecked and it says: "Wireless is off". But the green wifi LED is blinking!
6. I check the box again, hit OK, colored wheel, and then the same happens.
7. I give it a soft reset, it boots up. Green wifi LED is blinking, but no networks are found and the little antenna has the red line across it. I hit the antenna, wifi manager comes up, checkbox is unchecked, "Wireless is off". But the green wifi LED blinks!
8. I can give it as many soft resets as I want, the green LED keeps blinking (until I hard reset the device!!!), but wifi never ever turnes on.
I tried this whole procedure with:
a) 1.22 GER ROM, 1.06 Radio
b) 1.42 WWE (T-Mobile UK) ROM, 1.13 Radio
c) 1.42 GER ROM, 1.13 Radio
and the same (above written) happens. Anybody any ideas?
I bought the device used and wifi has never ever worked for me. Maybe the seller broke it and didn't tell me, but I cannot ask him anymore.
Thanks for any suggestions (I will try disabling BTTray, maybe that will help...)
Cheers,
tomiki

I've had this problem on my XDAiis from the day I bought it - it seems to me that some drivers may not be too well behaved and possibly leave bits loaded, and the useable memory for Wi-Fi and BT drivers diminishes to a point where they cannot load.
I have had the same problem on occasion with BT too.
This only seems to happen after the thing has been running for a while (several days in my case) and I then try and use wi-fi. I haven't been able to fugure how to free up any memory - the supplied memory manager only seems to let you kill applications. On my 9210i, I had a memory manager that would 'compress' the memory and free up all those bits that were left resident from rougue apps and drivers. Need something similar on the BA really....

Since problem is there since i bought my BA last year and this problem is only related to WM2003SE. This problem happens because of lack of ram memory. So when you try to start Bluetooth or Wifi it wont run because of not enough memory. Stopping programs wont help and in most cases you need a soft reset. And i think that problem happens in all Roms.
For this reason i have switched to WM5 even though it is not stable. In WM5 you can switch on/off the bluetooth or wifi without any problems.
Hope this helps.

GPRS attach weirdness on WMXL 0.10

I'm experiencing strange problem with GPRS on WMXL 0.10
After upgrade, GPRS can attach just when radio starts.
When attached, GPRS works just fine, but if GPRS occasionally deattaches (corresponding icon with 2 opposite arrows and 'x'), there's no way to attach it, besides restart of radio (phone off/on through comm.manager, or network select).
If I set "search [G] on start GPRS connection" via GB-Soft Tweak (instead of default "Search GPRS [G] on start radio") it never connects (unless network reconnect happens)
PIE silently does nothing, Opera says "Could not establish network connection [Error:33]".
Before upgrade WM5 could easily reattach GPRS if it was off.
Any ideas ? I've searched through the forum with no success.
Radio versions 1.35, 1.34, 1.27 were tried with the same symptoms (SSPL)
Thank you in advance.
HTC TyTN (HERM200)
WMXL 0.10
ROM date: 01/04/07
Radio 1.27.00.00

mih_ said:
I'm experiencing strange problem with GPRS on WMXL 0.10
After upgrade, GPRS can attach just when radio starts.
When attached, GPRS works just fine, but if GPRS occasionally deattaches (corresponding icon with 2 opposite arrows and 'x'), there's no way to attach it, besides restart of radio (phone off/on through comm.manager, or network select).
If I set "search [G] on start GPRS connection" via GB-Soft Tweak (instead of default "Search GPRS [G] on start radio") it never connects (unless network reconnect happens)
PIE silently does nothing, Opera says "Could not establish network connection [Error:33]".
Before upgrade WM5 could easily reattach GPRS if it was off.
Any ideas ? I've searched through the forum with no success.
Radio versions 1.35, 1.34, 1.27 were tried with the same symptoms (SSPL)
Thank you in advance.
HTC TyTN (HERM200)
WMXL 0.10
ROM date: 01/04/07
Radio 1.27.00.00
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I would wait and see if the same happens on v0.2 ??

Have you used HTweakC to set the auto-attach? That is how I do it and I must say that I've not experienced this issue.

mrvanx said:
I would wait and see if the same happens on v0.2 ??
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Certainly, i'll upgrade to 0.20 as soon, as it would be possible.
But I wonder, if i'm the one, who meet the problem.

Im the same. My connection on WM5 AKU3.3 was rock solid and if lost, would always reconnect. Now it is upredictable at best. Probably 80% of the time its fine but if I disable the connection overnight using bandswitch when the connection reenables I can pretty much guarantee that the data connection wont reconnect. None of the programs that should start it such as activesync will do so.
This is the one glitch that has had me considering going back to WM5, but Im hanging on for the next version hoping this will come right.
Ive tried different radio roms but makes no change. Currently using 1.27 which seems to be the best of the bunch.
Really want to stay with WM6 as I love the built in apps, especially the new email but this seems like a typical beta glitch.
Rob

kyphur said:
Have you used HTweakC to set the auto-attach? That is how I do it and I must say that I've not experienced this issue.
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Yes, and it works - when radio starts, GPRS successfully attaches and everything is alright.
Until it occasionally deattaches (2 contrary arrows and 'x' icon instead of [G] appears) and there's no way to use it, besides radio restart or network reselect.

Q. to Kyphur:
robt2379 said:
Im the same. My connection on WM5 AKU3.3 was rock solid and if lost, would always reconnect. Now it is upredictable at best. Probably 80% of the time its fine but if I disable the connection overnight using bandswitch when the connection reenables I can pretty much guarantee that the data connection wont reconnect. None of the programs that should start it such as activesync will do so.
This is the one glitch that has had me considering going back to WM5, but Im hanging on for the next version hoping this will come right.
Ive tried different radio roms but makes no change. Currently using 1.27 which seems to be the best of the bunch.
Really want to stay with WM6 as I love the built in apps, especially the new email but this seems like a typical beta glitch.
Rob
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Well, I've flashed AKU3.3 and GPRS reattaches transparently.
Is WMXL 0.2 worth of trying in order to fix this issue in your opinion?
Or, it needs "special" radio version? It seems interaction with Radio has changed in WM6.

I have the same experience with WMXL 0.10, when the connection is lost trying to reconnect will crash the connection manager.
No matter how many times you tap in the PIN for your SIM it will not reconnect.
So then it is down to soft reset or switching off to get things working again.
The HSDPA addin also don't seem to work for me. Even after shutting down the 3G / GPRS connection to change the band in HTweakC or in settings/phone/band.

i'm experiencing exactly the same.
after connection is lost gprs won't reconnect or if so it takes very long (10min?) even with a good reception. my gprs and 3g connection was very solid before upgrading to wm6. tried 1.27 and 1.35, same problems. even with nothing installed: same problem.
i've never experienced anything like that before. not on my hermes with wm5, not on my htc wizard or htc universal with wm6.
it has to be something about hermes and wm6. i don't know what it is. i did a HR many times and wanted to see which app is causing the problem (actually resco explorer runs weird on my hermes with wm6), but nothing. as i said even with nothing installed (just the pushmail being used) it's still the same.
and it's really annoying.
still no solution or explanation?

same problem here, FWIW. no solution AFAIK. I see Daniel has found some bug in WM6 as it relates to his bandswitcher app here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1169643#post1169643

facing same problem with k-jam (wizard) in WM6
i tried all radio ROMs but of no use
as soon as i shift back to WM5, it works flawless. i think the problem is with wm6

What is WITH everyone bumping the old WMXL threads???

o2 orbit - problem with telephone function

Hi,
i have a o2 orbit with the original german o2 wm6 firmware. Now i have the following problem:
After 1..5 day(s) the telephone function don't work. At this point nobody can call me and i can't call out. Also GPRS don't work. The problem is that the green LED is still blinking and the start display looks normal too.
I can turn off the telephone function. But it is not possible to restart the telephone function again.
After a soft-reset the telephone function works normal for the next time periode.
Does anybody has the same problem or a bugfix?

I've got the same problem since today...
Yesterday, may be it starts, because i was not able to connect Internet by GPRS. First, the problem was happened, when I tried to connect O2 Gprs APN internet, what is preconfigured or APN (Zugriffspunktname) surfo2, thats preferred to my datapack, only in roamingnet (TD1), then even in O2's own net.
then the Phone did not work.
I've got XDA Orbit with WM6.
I called O2's Data support for that problem, they said, I should try to do an Hardreset, after save up all my configuration and keep on watching, if it happens again.
For Hardreset, look at your Manual.
...I'll tell some more about, if it works or not in a few days, when I'm shure it will.
If not, I'll call O2 again (Must) and write theyre answer here.

After Hardreset, I've got no Problems until now!
May be, it was a Problem by trying Windows Live Messenger, because he is connected to the Internet whole time. Are GPRS and Calls at the same time possible? I think, normally it should!? but not shure..
The second thing, I've tried, was the Touch flo alpha...
it did not work on my device, so i made uninstall. After that, theese Problems did come.

GPRS broken in WM6? - Can somebody test?

I have an interesting situation with my Orbit. This never occurred with WM5, but only since WM6.
Description:
After a fresh boot, the device works perfect, and connects to GPRS when needed, and I am able to direct push my email all day long. Now, if I go into Comm Manager, and stop the phone radio, and then start it again, I am no longer able to connect to GPRS, and neither are any other applications. ActiveSync and DP don't work anymore, neither does IE.
The only solution to the above is to soft reset the device again, and things go back to normal.
Troubleshooting:
I've tried the regkey to keep GPRS always on. I've also tried to disable any today plugins that could be causing this issue. I've even tried a hard reset, but the same behaviour occurs. Oddly enough, this problem also occurs on a WM6 based Hermes device, and never did before when using WM5.
Something weird is going on with GPRS and WM6 in general. Sometimes, I will be on the train without reception, and when my phone gets signal again, GPRS will say it is connected, but it is not. I have to soft reset.
Needless to say this is annoying. Can somebody confirm that this issue exists with the base O2 WM6 rom? What about some of the other ROMs here that you guys/girls have? Does the same behaviour occur? My ROM and radio are just the defaults, no upgrades, etc.
N.

Hi There,
I am well aware of the problem, I currently work in a telecoms company and the main device we ship out is the XDA Orbit (Artemis).
Currently we are downgrading all devices so as to ignore the problem, but a permanent solution is being worked upon.
The HTC Touch's radio is identical to that of the Artemis, this problem does NOT exist on the Touch (Thanks for testing Pof!) So I atleast have ground to work upon, it is not related to the radio itself but the RIL (Radio Interface Layer) driver.
I'll let you all know if (or rather WHEN) I find a solution.

i've had loads of trouble with this issue and here are my findings:
the dopod sea 3.7 rom and and anything else based on it are the worst affected.
the o2 wm6 rom isn't too bad
tom and meschle's roms are both pretty much fine
I do a 20 minute tube journey every day so i have tested this quite well!
cheers
alex

I'm having the same issue in the Artemis Touch 2.1 Rom.
I found that when I disabled the Phone option, the Flightmode-option would enable. Now, when I want to enable the phone, I tab the Flightmode option to disable Flightmode. It then enables the phone automatically and successfully opens the GPRS connection.
Just done this a couple of times but for now this seems to be a workaround.
Read 'seems'

GuyBrush1978 said:
I'm having the same issue in the Artemis Touch 2.1 Rom.
I found that when I disabled the Phone option, the Flightmode-option would enable. Now, when I want to enable the phone, I tab the Flightmode option to disable Flightmode. It then enables the phone automatically and successfully opens the GPRS connection.
Just done this a couple of times but for now this seems to be a workaround.
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The times I have had the issue with the O2 rom and the v.occasional times I have it with Tom/Meschle roms restarting the radio via flight mode always fixes it. With the Dopod and other 3.7 roms the whole radio seems to crash and you can't even get it into flight mode so soft reset is the only option.
This has been tested on all versions of the Artemis radio that are available.

same problem here on prophet. can connect. if i go ffline due to no signal, i cannot connect. after i switch to flightmode and activate phone again gpry works again. any patch?!.

holzzelt said:
any patch?!.
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No patch, just better roms.

Probelm with WiFi

Hello there,
What I Have: Att 8525 Herm100
Rom: Att's Mobile 6
Everything is stock but the extended life battery
The problem I am having is when ever I try to activate my WiFi the phone doesn't do anything. I am not sure if there is a wifi card or not but that's want I want to know. I have tried everything from activating it in com manager to going into the settings and activating it manually and nothing happens it acts like I didn't even hit the button to activate it. Is there a wifi card in the phone or is it integrated on the motherboard in the phone. Note: I bought this phone off e-bay and the wifi never worked when I received the phone.
I am new here and if there is a post about this already I am sorry.

I hate it when that happens.
To begin, there were two ATT OEM WM6 roms relevant to the 8525 that I noticed deep in the bowels of XGA.
I chose the later file (higher revision numbers) I found it here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Available Original Shipped WM6 ROM Versions
From comm manager when I click the tower button on within a second the spinning windoze icon shows something is happening. It then starts "sniffing" for my preset wifi connection (ATT supplied 2wire portal 802.11g).
Now, if yours does not show the spinning windoze working icon when you turn on wifi? There obviously is a problem. This could be software, or hardware related (duh). If there is no error message related to "wifi is not an option, unavailable, or screwed" then my first guess is there is something missing or damaged in the ROM update that was applied to your device. As far as I know all 8525 (herm100) were shipped with wm5. It had been mentioned in the volumes of xda that the first AT&T WM6 rom was a little buggy. Try the later released AT&T WM6 update.
It was a run file so no muss no fuss. Sync the phone run the update from the pc, three minutes later the phone is flashed to ATT WM6 professional.
You could take it to a ATT shop? But, I think that without a doubt they would hand it back and say you need a new phone with a 20 year contract and 3g data plan even Obama would blush at.
Try the hard reset. take a picture of the startup screens so you have the numbers and see if the wifi startup is working after the reset. If not then compare the numbers to the above mentioned roms. If the indications are you have the first issue of WM6 from ATT try flashing the second release. If that still fails then your device could indeed have a hardware problem.
The wifi is indeed built into the system and if that chip on the board is not working it could be a overly expensive problem. Possibly a shop has a working board they would swap out cheap? Otherwise, it is a fun phone you can keep notes on, run gps software if you have a bluetooth gps receiver and software like tomtom.
To be honest the wifi on my 8525 has been convenient when around the house to check the local weather radar when I hear a thunder outside, or browse headlines from the porcelain room or even leave messenger turned on incase a gamer friend is looking for someone to get shot up in a game.
I have used the live search voice thing to amaze the neighbors once. But, the limited range of wifi is a real drawback to how truly wonderful that addition could be.

HELP Please! Wi-Fi not working!!!
Hi to XDA all users !!!
MY Hermes - HTC TyTN [Herm200]
I bought HTC Hermes myself year ago.
there was flashed a WM5.0, I've just downloaded from here HARD SPL & WM6,1 (Custom) Flashed.
Wi-Fi will works on WM5.0.
Well here I am at 6.1 flashed and now is not working Wi-Fi. When i pressed Power ON - loading long and nothing happens.
Other methods are also tried on Commanager and Settings - but did not help.
What do I need to do my dear.
HELP!
Thank you for your attention!

Hi Nurk.
Since the wifi worked on wm5 but failed after the 6.1 flash. I would guess the problem is in the 6.1 components. You might start with contacting the kitchen rom you employed for WM6.1 thread and see if this has happened to others. Next step would be to check the radio rom version. I did see on xda an assortment of Radio roms.
If your not totally in love with the current rom you have flashed? Try another 6.1 or even a 6.5 and see whats poppin.

and what you have in HKLM\Software\HTC\CommManager\WLAN\DeviceName?

utak3r said:
and what you have in HKLM\Software\HTC\CommManager\WLAN\DeviceName?
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I have get this from registry:
HKLM\Software\HTC\CommManager\WLAN\DeviceName - {98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\TIACXWLN1