Develop Bugs

SPB Clone - Nag Screen Removal

SPB Clone is a fine bit of software. It makes a full ghost copy of your BA that you can reinstall after a hard reset - all the registry settings, installed software. etc.
The demo version is fully working but after installing via a clone you get a nag screen that continually pops up to remind you to buy the software.
Because I was so impressed with SPB Clone, I wrote to SPB to ask them if they could provide me with a single user licence at a less painful price, since the PDA I was cloning was actually my phone, and I'm not a big company with many PDAs. They told me that, sadly, SPB Clone was only available on an enterprise licence but then they told me how to remove the nag screen....
1. Open the folder \Windows\StartUp in File Explorer.
2. Tap and Hold and select View All Files.
3. Select bootupdt.exe and select Cut from context menu.
4. Change to the root folder "\" and tap and hold on the empty space within folder view. Select Paste from context menu.
5. Soft reset.
6. Remove bootupdt.exe from the root folder.

And you were not able to find this out yourself?
Last year when I had my tires changed the clerk put a sign on my inner mirror to come back in 50km. And there was of course an ad on the sticker. Your post is like "Hey, today I opened my car and pulled the sticker of the mirror. You won't believe: I've got clear sight again!"

Nice of you to repay their generosity by putting this information in the public domain...

@tintoy: Generosity? I consider this being spam. Nobody wants new posts about "I now know how to reboot!" or "My how-to: Plugging USB cable in". I would accept those kinda posts if he'd just tell about product X, which is cheaper than Y but has same or more features like A, B, C. Only hassle you have to solve is to remove [filename] from autostart.

Chatty said:
And you were not able to find this out yourself?
Last year when I had my tires changed the clerk put a sign on my inner mirror to come back in 50km. And there was of course an ad on the sticker. Your post is like "Hey, today I opened my car and pulled the sticker of the mirror. You won't believe: I've got clear sight again!"
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Oh, well I'm terribly sorry that my lo-tech post offends your obviously tender, high-brow sensibilities.
God help you if someone with less knowledge than you asks you a question face-to-face; I'd imagine they'd deck you with an attitude like yours.
Try and remember that there are, in fact, some people that don't know as much about a subject as you and that, to them, as it was to me, a tip like this is very useful, although it's obviously far, far beneath someone who is clearly an IT deity. Please allow me to prostrate myself before you - in fact, I'm genuflecting before my monitor even now!
Mind you; your grammar, spelling and punctuation aren't up to much. If you're going to slight someone on a written forum, at least make sure you can write, eh?

tintoy said:
Nice of you to repay their generosity by putting this information in the public domain...
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I'm a firm believer in freedom of information.
SPB gave me this information because I am a single user.
I have provided this information to other single users.
If an unscrupulous company wishes to use unlicensed software, possibly risking prosecution, that's their remit, not mine.

madcapmagician said:
Oh, well I'm terribly sorry that my lo-tech post offends your obviously tender, high-brow sensibilities.
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Ok, your're starting to get insulting. That's why I'll answer the last time to this thread.
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God help you if someone with less knowledge than you asks you a question face-to-face; I'd imagine they'd deck you with an attitude like yours.
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This is not comparable because this is a forum, not a chat. Most questions can be answered by just searching the forum. And I was not against your post in whole but about the way you described it.
madcapmagician said:
Try and remember that there are, in fact, some people that don't know as much about a subject as you and that, to them, as it was to me, a tip like this is very useful, although it's obviously far, far beneath someone who is clearly an IT deity. Please allow me to prostrate myself before you - in fact, I'm genuflecting before my monitor even now!
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Farcical. No comment.
madcapmagician said:
Mind you; your grammar, spelling and punctuation aren't up to much. If you're going to slight someone on a written forum, at least make sure you can write, eh?
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Here you stepped over the line. If you ain't got no further arguments (if there has been at least one already) you start to insult people. That will make you look respectable, indeed. Although English is not my mother tongue I do speak more than one language. How many do you speak? (Not that I'm really interested.)

Chatty said:
Ok, your're starting to get insulting.
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Your original post was both rude and insulting, hence my reply.
This is not comparable because this is a forum, not a chat.
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How so? Do you not bring your manners to a forum? You are, in effect, saying that because you cannot see your fellow forumers face-to-face you feel you do not have to be polite to them.....and you then get upset when they are impolite back to you.
Most questions can be answered by just searching the forum.
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Why do you assume I didn't? Again, you are being insulting. I scoured the web to find the answer, like most other noobs would do. From the way you wrote, I got the impression you are very IT-literate - well, I am not and there are many others like me. My post is for them.
And I was not against your post in whole but about the way you described it.
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Then I suggest you re-read your first post: in your head, when you typed it, it may have sounded witty and polite and to-the-point; that is not how it came across. If you felt my description was at fault, you should have said so, rather than making rude, tangential comments.
madcapmagician said:
Try and remember that there are, in fact, some people that don't know as much about a subject as you and that, to them, as it was to me, a tip like this is very useful
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Just to reiterate the point.
Here you stepped over the line.
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Agreed, although in my head, when I typed it, it was quid pro quo.
I will publicly apologise here and now for being rude.
Please understand that there is nothing berating in this post - I am merely trying to articulate myself without you being able to physically hear my voice.

madcapmagician said:
Hey guys, I know a way that you can get the hard work of dozens of developers for free. Heck they gave it to me, and so it is implied that they want me to share it with the entire internet. Aren't I morally and ethically bankrupt?
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Yes, you are.
Chatty said:
There is this tire change sticker in my car that is driving me batty
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Hmmm, interesting
tintoy said:
Nice of you to repay their generosity by putting this information in the public domain...
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Chatty said:
Generosity? Huh...spam. X, Y, uh A, B, C, Marco, polo
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Exsqueezeme
madcapmagician said:
Everyone marvel at my use of polysyllabic word play. I am the master of the keyboard. Chatty, my swing thing is bigger than yours.
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madcapmagician again said:
I am a firm believer in freedom of unscrupulousness. It was granted to us in the 18th ammendment to the Constitution. SPB gave me the information because I am single minded and they have no desire to make money. They are actually just out to provide a community service.
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Wow, excellent points, all of them!
Chatty Cathy said:
Actually my swing thing is bigger. And I speak multiple languages, just not very well. A donde esta la casa de pepe?
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Stunning!
madcapmagician said:
Why are you rude to me just because I was rude to you? Don't you understand the consequences of disturbing the molecular dismobilization of the antisymmetric wave function? Egad man. Let me cut loose some more words from my Microsoft Word thesaurus...prostrate, genuflecting, forumers (huh?), tangential, exoskeletal, plebiscite. Take that!
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Do you guys know how tired the rest of us are of this kind of non-productive grade school banter? I am waiting for the "your momma" insults to start any minute. Can someone please delete this thread.

The original post in this thread was a useful piece of information on how to remove the nag screen on a piece of software.
It was not a "How-to" on rebooting or plugging in a USB cable, and i am sure that anyone who wants to use the SPB Clone would be grateful for this information.
The fact that you either didnt understand what the post was about or didnt care doesnt mean you have to immediately flame the poster, if you have no use for the information in a certain thread just move on to the next thread. Trading insults back and forth is the biggest spam anyone could expect to see in a forum, especially this one, which provides so much good information to those of us who use these devices.

I continue to be floored by people's casual attitude toward trading software keys, hacking apps, and getting around nag screens. If the developer did not want you to see the nag screen then he/she WOULD NOT HAVE PUT IT THERE. If the developer gave instructions to one user on how to remove the nag, then great...what a nice developer/company. But unless they expressly gave that person permission to post it out to potentially thousands of people then it is JUST PLAIN WRONG. There is no gray area here, folks. Most of us have to live in a grown-up world and are tired of the impacts that other people's adolescent, situational ethics imposes on us. Do unto others...

cw6447 said:
I continue to be floored by people's casual attitude toward trading software keys, hacking apps, and getting around nag screens. If the developer did not want you to see the nag screen then he/she WOULD NOT HAVE PUT IT THERE. If the developer gave instructions to one user on how to remove the nag, then great...what a nice developer/company. But unless they expressly gave that person permission to post it out to potentially thousands of people then it is JUST PLAIN WRONG. There is no gray area here, folks. Most of us have to live in a grown-up world and are tired of the impacts that other people's adolescent, situational ethics imposes on us. Do unto others...
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I agree with you on the ethics of "stealing" software, my main complaint here was the instant flaming that madcapmagician received after posting, that is not what this community is about. he was not posting a "how-to" on the process of rebooting, he was relaying the information given to him as he received it, i think that the information can be used by those who are ok with "stealing" software and those who disagree can just disregard the information. If the mods decide that the information shouldnt be here they have the power to remove it.

Forgive me for carrying on with this ridiculous and pointless conversation but is it not in fact illegal to unlock contract mobile phones? Would the cellular providers be happy for 1000's of people to remove their branding and software from devices which they have sold? If the software company had not wanted to help the individual then they would not have told him to start with. I am sure that nobody is so special that a software company would whisper information into his ear that they didn't want to be made common knowledge.
This is a tech support forum, it has helped me as well as many, many other people. If you want to start talking about wrong, immoral, illegal or any other description you may have then start looking at what other people are doing.
I appreciate this forum, and it's members. For crying out loud, stop arguing and get on with the job in hand.

Zylo, I agree with you in one regard. The post is perfectly legit insomuch as it is helpful and technically related. But only for people without a conscience. Bret, you are symptomatic of this new generation of kids with no personal accountability in life. To pretend that you can guess that a software company doesn't mind you giving away their software for free is ludicrous. madcap probably got ahold of some sales guy who thought it would be nice to do him a favor. Do you think the owners, investors or developers would have told him to feel free to post it on forums around the internet? Why not take that info and sell it for a profit on eBay? Or better yet why not just sell the software as your own? If they were giving you a free copy then they wouldn't mind you doing whatever you want with it. Right? You see, you keep blurring the lines of common decency to the point where eventually anything goes. You won't understand until someday you actually become a responsible citizen, start your own business, and put your hard-earned money and time out on the line. I bet when the leeches and thieves come after your product you will have a whole different attitude. The "right thing" to do in this case is so easy and obvious. I fear for a world where people can't make that distinction.

Sorry if what i said came across as a flaming. It was not intended as such. I'm just aware that softweare companies have many employees, from designers to developers to marketing people to managers. Of all these people the ones who seeme to have the most alturistitc (read non commercially-minded) approach always seem to be the developers. They are typically just concerned with writing good software and makng it work. If you asked a developer for a free copy of his/her software for 'testing' they'd probally give it to you without complaint! If, however, you asked them if they'd like their contract to end at the end of its term becuase you were going to make the software they wrote completly unprofitable by telling everyone how to get it for free they might be slightly less generous!

Your points have been taken on board but for the record, I work for a small, local mobile phone dealer. How much business do you think we lose from people unlocking phones, and therefore not returning to us?
I'm not saying that is right or wrong but what I am saying is that it is illegal. It is stealing from the provider and taking profits away from independant dealers. Also, how are you to know that my own business did not fail due to non-payers? You obviously open your mouth before engaging your brain. I could not recover the debts owed to my company and it resulted in the business closing. Is that not also theft?
If you want to target anyone go for the real criminals who sell ripped off software and DVD's on the Sunday markets. They are the real problem, not one guy who has made a very small post who has admitted to have lttle understanding of what he has done. I'm sure you have now all alienated him so he will never return to this site again.
Talk about a mountain out of a molehill.

Yeah. Can we consider this conversation over?
Please don't be offended by my posts @madcapmagician, I was just making a point, not trying to demonise you! I would imagine there is even a fairly decent discsussion that could be had about what consitutes ripping off software and what consitutes fair use...

I found my original e-mail and SPB’s reply:
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerzy Bulowski
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:01 pm
To: [email protected]
Subject: Clone
Dear Sir or Madam,
I recently downloaded your demo of Clone and have to say that, already, it has served me well after my phone required a hard reset the other day.
I was so impressed that I decided to purchase a copy but was absolutely horrified to see the price of $199. Whilst I can appreciate that Clone is suited to large businesses with many corporate PDAs, I am a single user - the PDA in question is actually my HTC Blue Angel mobile phone - and I was wondering whether you could sell me a single-licence version for a price more similar to what you charge for Pocket Plus?
If this is not possible could you tell me how long the annoying reminder screen will continue to pop up on my phone?
I look forward to your reply.
Regards,
Jerzy Bulowski
Hello Jerzy,
Spb Clone is enterprise product and there's not any "single user" licenses.
How to remove the nag screen in your case:
1. Open folder \Windows\StartUp in File Explorer. 2. Tap and Hold and select View All files. 3. Select bootupd.exe and select Cut from context menu. 4. Change to the root folder "\" and tap-n-hold on the empty space within folder view. Select "Paste" from context menu. 5. Soft reset. 6. Remove bootupd.exe from the root folder.
Best regards,
Alexander Shalin
Customer Support Team
Spb Software House
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.spbsoftwarehouse.com
Phone: +7 812 324 49 44
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Bret, perhaps I should point out that you can download SPB Clone for free from their website, as a demo version. Corporate customers, if they liked it, would then buy a licensed copy for $199.00 – I have “stolen” nothing.
Chris - As far as the ethics of posting said information in the public domain are concerned, my conscience is clear. This information is for single users, like myself. If an unscrupulous company wishes to make use of this information then it’s their ethics that are at fault, not mine.
Tintoy – I’m not offended. It was Chatty’s immediate, condescending, demeaning post that riled me. Zylograth said what I should have, instead of replying as I did:
The fact that you either didn’t understand what the post was about or didn’t care doesn’t mean you have to immediately flame the poster, if you have no use for the information in a certain thread just move on to the next thread.
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And that’s that!

AFAIK I think it's still open to debate whether we discuss cracking. I'm happy to talk about cracking, but not cracks.
Odeean makes a good point that cracking and reversing is part of the education of programming; if you're a commercial developer, or would be one, it's worth knowing weaknesses and pitfalls.
People shouldn't come on here and say "wantttt - crack for thai-g" etc. That's just silly and damn lazy. If you don't know how to get warez, you should be using a Motorola, not even a Nokia. But you should be rewarding programmers, or you should understand when there aren't programmers left to program because they've all gone broke. (And I'm not just talking about cash.. we don't all program for the $$)
But if you want to learn how to crack thai-g, search, ask nicely, or learn and tell. But don't distribute cracks (at least publically). There are other boards for that, and we have enough trouble keeping this board clean enough now-a-days
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Take it like a man!
Madcap, my almost 3-year old daughter tries to make equally bad logic when I have caught her sneaking a cookie before supper. If you were in court you would be your own worst enemy. The email from spb said "How to remove the nag screen in YOUR case". Not "in your case and EVERY other person you can broadcast it to". Show me where he added, "And please feel free to share this with other single users". ONCE AGAIN, if they did not expressly permit you to give this to other people then it is just plain wrong! No, not illegal...it's the spb CSR's ignorant fault for giving it out to you. Let's say you are standing behind a guy in line at the QuickTrip. You witness the cashier ring up his order, but forget to ring up his Snickers bar. When the customer makes the cashier aware of the error, the cashier says,"Oh that's ok, just go ahead and take it." Does that then give you the right to grab a Snickers bar and put it in your pocket without paying for it? If one person got a freebie then everyone should get it, right? How long do you think QuickTrip will survive giving away it's products? It really isn't any different. Software is intangible property that should be treated as tangible. Just because you can get away with it doesn't mean you should. It is just like all of the thieves who thought downloading music they did not pay for was OK. It wasn't...still isn't...never will be.
As for your equally weak argument of, "If an unscrupulous company wishes to make use of this information then it’s their ethics that are at fault, not mine." Let's take the same QuickTrip. While you are at the counter paying for your snacks (except for the Snickers bar tucked into your pocket), you oversee another employee opening the safe behind the counter. Because of your excellent eyesight and brilliant mind, you see and remember the combination. When you get home you go out to the SafesAndVaultsDevelopers.com forums and post about the dummy at QuickTrip opening up the safe right in front of everyone. You also post the combination to the safe because "if an unscrupulous person wishes to make use of this information then it’s their ethics that are at fault, not mine." Great logic. I wish I could send you to time-out like I can my daughter.
Try this. Reply back to spb. Tell that same Customer Service Rep that you are posting this hack on all of the popular PDA sites on the internet. And copy the support group at spb, too. After they respond to you, post their letter back here. I will be waiting to see the response.
Now I know you would never have posted the above spb info on a site where you thought "unscrupulous" people could visit and get hold of it. I mean, what jerk in their right mind would do that to a company and possibly expose them to real dollar losses? So since you know everyone here is trustworthy, why don't you go ahead and post your email account password, your xda forum password, and the PIN to your ATM account on here. Throw in your momma's phone number for grins. We won't do anything bad with it.
Am I going off on you? Yes. When someone tries to make a clearly black and white argument grey, and aggressively attempts to defend that indefensible position over and again, they deserve to be called out. Take it like a man.

IMEI CHECK.CO.UK i think i got em uncovered

hello lads, wish everybody is fine and doin well, ive been doing some intelligence and detective work around around the weired fact that IMEI check are the only guyz around with an unlock solution for the UNIVERSAL.
what i accumilated was kindda weired. according to information gathered from this website and specially from my favourite two super stars (BUZZ lightyear and Mchinegod) those legendary stars got it all fine lolll.
what i found is.
IMEI check has some source in HTC inovations in taiwan.
this source has probably supplied em classified Hardware Software information on how to unlock the Universal.
second speculation is that they also has a source that has unrestricted acess to the IMEI-Unlock code database. and he supplies them the assigned codes for some percentage from every unlock they make.
in both cases there is an insider who must ve supplied critical info on raming this device into the corners.
just for the info, i mentioned before that i had a weired problem and that is i wanted to unlock my MDA pro and T-mobile the netherlands told me that my IMEI doesnt exist in thier database or its not a T-mobile universal varient. however i managed my way in contacting someone in HTC and my honest source tracked my IMEI back to T-mobile the netherlands, i offered this source paying him money to gimme the unlock code but he refused in great honesty and said, the entire HTC cant supply me these codes not for free not for a fee, acoording to a business agreement with the T-Mobile. after a while, i got an email from T-Mobile telling me that they have my Unlock code right now and they are ready to supply me the code for like 70 euros or something,,
that shows that there are some leaks around between HTC and its business partners and, our freiends at IMEI check, has foudn some way to access these leaks and make some money.
wish i explained my theory
best regards
shady

why dont they offer then an online unlock... you send them imei number and money... they send you unlock code....
there is an other way they do it

€70 is much less than I was first asked for to have an Unlock code. It was more like €175, and that was for a little Samsung phone before T-Mobile took over One2One.
After you've been using the device for 1 year, your first year contract is finished. After this first year contract, the Universal belongs to you - NOT T-Mobile - and you are therefore legally entitled to do anything you want to with it, including unlocking it. T-Mobile CANNOT legally deny you this right - if they could, the central IMEI databases which disallow network access from stolen devices would simply disallow access to other networks from your IMEI.

thas exactly the point
asking for physical acess to the machine while still sayint that they will not open it and hat all stuff will be made through cable. sooo i think this provides perfect diversion.

Yeah, I think I said in an earlier post that the whole thing about 'sending your Universal in because physical access is required' is a load of bullcrap. It's as shady said, they have an insider at HTC which really makes me question the ethics of their dealings in the first place. I don't think I like these guys very much.

I think you forgot something US (imei-check):
We killed JFK, we are green and we come from Mars. Somewhere on other forum I saw that someone says that we like to collect the MDA PRO's. Yes we love to swim in them . We are aliens and we like that.
These declarations are as true as your conspiracy theory.
WE HAVE NO connection with HTC or any other manufacture or operator. We are just a bunch of programmers which like to work till late not to stay and see if anyone comes with anything for free for us.
This forum should be called Warez and freeware searchers since here all you can read is where to download such software and were to get such thing for free. Only a handful of people from here does developing, rest just a bunch of beggars (sorry for the previos spelling mistake, but hey I'm not a native speaker ).
Florin Mandache
Director of MIGsofT LTD (imei-check.co.uk)

Imei Check
I resent your comments regarding the rest of us no-hopers being 'baggers'.
If it wasn't for forums like this you guys wouldn't have any business cos the vast majority of us would have returned our pda phones due to lack of network support.
I have no qualms paying for unlocking but the networks take the mick by making you wait weeks for the unlock codes.
I dare say you guys have learnt from this forum and if you didnt charge 50 squid for a universal unlock code you would get more respect.
We all have a part to play mate so just remember this:
Without consumers(or baggers as you like to call us) you would have to latch onto somting else so give us a break !!!

i vote with jonboy. if u dont respect this forum why are you on it,,, i have no idea actually + if you think my claims are wrong, there is no need to insult all of us, my friend the way you answered is a hard proof that at least some of my claims have taken a byte at the neck of the truth.
anyway thanks for calling us baggers, but again as jonboy says, these baggers are the guyz making business for you and giving you money. so i wont call em baggers cuz if its not for them you would ve been a bagger.
you IMEI guyz are asking for astaggering 74 E to unlock well i have to mention that T-mobile unlocked my MDA pro for 70 euros which is still 4euros less than what you asked + i dotn have to send it all the way to another country or stuff.
again thanks dear brother for insulting the forum and its people.
best regards
shady

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I think you forgot something US (imei-check):
We killed JFK, we are green and we come from Mars. Somewhere on other forum I saw that someone says that we like to collect the MDA PRO's. Yes we love to swim in them . We are aliens and we like that.
These declarations are as true as your conspiracy theory.
WE HAVE NO connection with HTC or any other manufacture or operator. We are just a bunch of programmers which like to work till late not to stay and see if anyone comes with anything for free for us.
This forum should be called Warez and freeware searchers since here all you can read is where to download such software and were to get such thing for free. Only a handful of people from here does developing, rest just a bunch of beggars (sorry for the previos spelling mistake, but hey I'm not a native speaker ).
Florin Mandache
Director of MIGsofT LTD (imei-check.co.uk)
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Florin, you are a fool.
'nuff said.

florin_m said:
I think you forgot something US (imei-check):
We killed JFK, we are green and we come from Mars. Somewhere on other forum I saw that someone says that we like to collect the MDA PRO's. Yes we love to swim in them . We are aliens and we like that.
Florin Mandache
Director of MIGsofT LTD (imei-check.co.uk)
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Are you really who you say you are? If you are, you must be about ten years old because that statement is so immature, not fit for a grown mature adult.
BTW, where are all the warez on this site? I haven't seen any, or am I just blind, naive or both? We all visit this forum so that we can "hack" some the system parameters of our devices to enhance them and give them "personalities" we like or prefer to have.

actually, i think this florin is just a very erogant man, i still am feeling offended that he called us beggers. do everybody really has to be a developer. well mr wiered headless brainless, when u go to a Dr to take out the permenant disease out of your head do u become a begger, when you go to psyciatrist to take the wiered erogance of your soul do u become a begger, so if you think that when u go to a pro that well help you get rid of all of these wiered stuff in your miniature nature that will make you a bagger, then we might also be considered bagger. and by the way plz when u speak to people again try to get first some schooling second learn some ethics
again lads, just think deeply if our ideas on this forum about how IMEI check got thier hands on the unlocking codes are wrong, what would piss thier boss off, hehehe if someone said soemthing thas not right about me i wouldnt really start a fight on someones wrong calims, but if he uncovered my business then ill fight to recover it back, even by insulting people heheh
best regards
shady

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my friend the way you answered is a hard proof that at least some of my claims have taken a byte at the neck of the truth.
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you lost me here - why you are so sure you are right just because someone responded to you? No offence, but what you said is questionable in the first place... and i simply cannot understand what has the pricing got to do with this? it can be 100 euros - so what?? WHY are you so unhappy?
and generally he was right, most people do not produce anything new for the device, the max we do is copy-paste. Its the truth - why are you complaining - what have you done?
btw, i have got nothing to do with them, never used the service and do not know anyone there in any way... so that you will not say i am from their company too, just because i have a different opinion to yours. And it will not prove that you are 100% right - i hope this is clear at least.

im sorry guyz, i aint no dectaort here and ieve never said im right i just speculated some stuff, and to be honest as i said, i have no proof, its just speculation, and im not complaining about the price the market is open, u dont like someones service, take another. and i have no offense against anybody as well i havent attacked him, it was just someone that began attacking all the forum not me only. and again, im not so sure and im not running an invistigation here buddy, and im usually dotn speak so much here in the forum, but i just dotn wanna get kicked whenever im gonna say soemthing someone is gonan call me a bagger. and yes not everybody is doign something cuz so simply not everybody is a developer, does the fact that im in another field rather than IT or software development must make me shut up and not even talk.
well guyz im sorry anyway if i attacked any body or offended anyone without intentions
again im sorry for that
best regards
shady

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you lost me here - why you are so sure you are right just because someone responded to you? No offence, but what you said is questionable in the first place... and i simply cannot understand what has the pricing got to do with this? it can be 100 euros - so what?? WHY are you so unhappy?
and generally he was right, most people do not produce anything new for the device, the max we do is copy-paste. Its the truth - why are you complaining - what have you done?
btw, i have got nothing to do with them, never used the service and do not know anyone there in any way... so that you will not say i am from their company too, just because i have a different opinion to yours. And it will not prove that you are 100% right - i hope this is clear at least.
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well said that man
The rest of you n00b-muppets need to shut the hell up. I've known Florin for quite some time now and back in the early days he was of great help to the Windows Mobile community and still is today. To be quite honest, he's right, the majority of you are all beggers. You all want something for nothing. Why should someone break their back to make YOU happy? What have YOU done for the community? Why should anyone spend their precious time helping YOU when all YOU do is leech information?
You want the "truth" behind imei-check? They spend alot of time working on devices to get them unlocked. Sometimes they kill the devices. Said devices cost money. Then when all the hard work is over and they start to earn a reward from their work, some jumped up little prick decides to reverse engineer the software and sell it on ebay. Thats why you have to send Universal's in to them.

I would like to react to this
that shows that there are some leaks around between HTC and its business partners and, our freiends at IMEI check, has foudn some way to access these leaks and make some money.
And please do not take this like "racism" or anything else.
HTC is a Taiwanese Company POINT ! In Taiwan China Korea (Much difficult in Japan) Money is the most important thing ! I was living Before in HK, and has often be oblige to deal with the mainland but the things is that Money can buy anything over there or allow you a lot of things. I had last year a "Weird" problem with a Taiwanese PC, Pocket PC, smartphone manufacturer. Well I was dealing for a potential of 300 Units (PC) and things were going well at the begning until... they bypass me and contacted my client to make business with them.
This is how things work there and will always work.
If you take for example Korea... nobody follow any contract, in Fact in business matter it works like this, you firs sign the contract, and then you discuss about the term of the contract. If for example you want to "punish" a Korean company you just has to force them to follow a contract (this is the worst punition for them)
Once again, there are no racism in my story I am living in Asia since a long time now, my wife is Korean/Japanese and I had the chance to live, before I met my wife, with a Chinese lady (Be quiet on this one ok )

Absolute bollocks :roll:
Did you even read the rest of the posts here or did you just read the first one and reply straight away?
How exactly does this show that there are leaks? Where's your proof? One dumbass hatches a theory and you take it as gospel :roll:

nedge2k said:
Absolute bollocks :roll:
Did you even read the rest of the posts here or did you just read the first one and reply straight away?
How exactly does this show that there are leaks? Where's your proof? One dumbass hatches a theory and you take it as gospel :roll:
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Just share experience, that all

hey guyz, again ive said there is no proof these are just speculations, and again im not a damn developer, as far as i remeber ihavent insulted anyone, would you plz choose a better language describing the people on this forum,, if you think that we are all beggars, fine dont be around us, but plz just stop this insulting. and why are my words so painfull, i just said what i though nothing more. specially that in various threads in this forum, some guyz managed to get the codes from HTC so im not totally inventing a story, i think prooving me wrong would be much easier that saying all of this, jesus why is insulting so easy

florin_m
A year ago i unlocked more than 20 phones (s100 and 9090) with imei-check's help so don't say we all beggars here.
Would there be an online service soon to unlock the MDA-PRO? Because sending your MDA to England isn't accepltable for everyone and i really need to use the service quite often.

@florin_m
hi florin,
i seriously doubt, that you've programmed an unlocker for Universal, just few days after it was released to the market.
Either you have/had:
1. engineering prototypes with certain bootloader functions opened
2. access to special service SD cards
3. bootloader passwords
4. access to IMEI/lock database
i'd say 2. or 4. is right
BTW, why do you call your company IMEI-CHECK?
Wouldn't it be more apropriate to call it unlock-programming ?
IMEI-CHECK is invoking a vision of checking IMEI against a list or such...
buzz

Possible Class Action over "Sync and Connect"

With the Inc2, Verizon introduced a new free feature called “Sync and Connect” that allows smartphone users to view an all-in-one inbox online of all their email accounts as well as their contacts.
I learned about this feature while I was browsing MyVerizon.com and decided not to give Verizon access to all my contacts and confidential email; yet, when I activated my new Inc2, Verizon enrolled me into this feature without my permission. The only reason I, and many others, realized what had happened was because the service is notifying people with a Verizon text from VZWNMN (6250) every time this MyVerizon all-in-one email inbox receives a new email.
I had to call Verizon twice to turn it off the feature and in the end I myself had to go into MyVerzion.com and delete the data they misappropriated. Some people are even claiming they cannot receive their emails if the feature is deactivated.
I am not an attorney, but I have studied law and I think Verizon opting us into this "experimental service" without our consent is illegal. It's, at least, an invasion of privacy and, at worst, can be the misappropriation of confidential information.
I have already spoken to a lawyer and they are already looking into whether we have a viable cause of action. I know that Google was sued for opting people into buzz without there consent so this might have legs.
If you were enrolled in “Sync and Connect” without your permission...
if you are as pissed-off about this as I am...
if you are interested in some possible restitution...
please PM me or email me at [email protected]

daftlush said:
With the Inc2, Verizon introduced a new free feature called “Sync and Connect” that allows smartphone users to view an all-in-one inbox online of all their email accounts as well as their contacts.
I learned about this feature while I was browsing MyVerizon.com and decided not to give Verizon access to all my contacts and confidential email; yet, when I activated my new Inc2, Verizon enrolled me into this feature without my permission. The only reason I, and many others, realized what had happened was because the service is notifying people with a Verizon text from VZWNMN (6250) every time this MyVerizon all-in-one email inbox receives a new email.
I had to call Verizon twice to turn it off the feature and in the end I myself had to go into MyVerzion.com and delete the data they misappropriated. Some people are even claiming they cannot receive their emails if the feature is deactivated.
I am not an attorney, but I have studied law and I think Verizon opting us into this "experimental service" without our consent is illegal. It's, at least, an invasion of privacy and, at worst, can be the misappropriation of confidential information.
I have already spoken to a lawyer and they are already looking into whether we have a viable cause of action. I know that Google was sued for opting people into buzz without there consent so this might have legs.
If you were enrolled in “Sync and Connect” without your permission...
if you are as pissed-off about this as I am...
if you are interested in some possible restitution...
please PM me or email me at [email protected]
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Probably is in the backup assistant terms that we agreed to when first booting the phone.
Carelessly swyped on my phone so there may be some weird typos

If you read all of the terms that you agreed to when you renewed your contract and activated my I2, somewhere in there you agreed to this. I really hope you have a lawyer go through all of the legal crap before you try to start down this road. As much as we despise them, they are the legal experts.
The problem with contracts is people tend not to read them. Then something happens they don't like, but agreed to, and they get angry.
Also, this isn't illegal. It's possible it could be breach of contract, etc, but that would only make it a civil matter. To state something is illegal implies criminal activity and if you strongly believe something illegal is going on, then you get authorities involved (ie: FTC, FCC, etc).

Why does every little issue require a class action lawsuit... people get uptight over the little things and think that by filling a suit against [insert company] that it will get solved.
Look at what happened with Samsung and the Vibrant. Yea we got an update but it just to shut us up because we spammed the hell out of their facebook and twitter. No lawsuit was filed, only threatened.
These topics are stupid.
/rant

presence06 said:
Why does every little issue require a class action lawsuit... people get uptight over the little things and think that by filling a suit against [insert company] that it will get solved.
Look at what happened with Samsung and the Vibrant. Yea we got an update but it just to shut us up because we spammed the hell out of their facebook and twitter. No lawsuit was filed, only threatened.
These topics are stupid.
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Agreed. They shouldn't even be posted unless real action is being pursued and a real case is being built. Without these components, the poster can actually find themselves in legal trouble.

kingsway8605 said:
Probably is in the backup assistant terms that we agreed to when first booting the phone.
Carelessly swyped on my phone so there may be some weird typos
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I didnt agree to backup assist terms. I never do. Dont need it, so i dont want it running in background. After all, contacts are already stored in the google cloud.

nimdae said:
If you read all of the terms that you agreed to when you renewed your contract and activated my I2, somewhere in there you agreed to this. I really hope you have a lawyer go through all of the legal crap before you try to start down this road. As much as we despise them, they are the legal experts.
The problem with contracts is people tend not to read them. Then something happens they don't like, but agreed to, and they get angry.
Also, this isn't illegal. It's possible it could be breach of contract, etc, but that would only make it a civil matter. To state something is illegal implies criminal activity and if you strongly believe something illegal is going on, then you get authorities involved (ie: FTC, FCC, etc).
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I didnt sign new two year. Phone was an insurance claim.
Invasion of privacy, misappropriation of confidential business material, and wiretapping are all illegal activity. Not saying they did any of this for sure, just pointing put that they may have.

presence06 said:
Why does every little issue require a class action lawsuit... people get uptight over the little things and think that by filling a suit against [insert company] that it will get solved.
Look at what happened with Samsung and the Vibrant. Yea we got an update but it just to shut us up because we spammed the hell out of their facebook and twitter. No lawsuit was filed, only threatened.
These topics are stupid.
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A law suit is the only thing a company like Big Red understands. We need to slap them with a suit before they realized they cant pull some **** like this.

nimdae said:
Agreed. They shouldn't even be posted unless real action is being pursued and a real case is being built. Without these components, the poster can actually find themselves in legal trouble.
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Action is being pursued, case is being built. Why do you think i posted this genius? Also, in case you didnt know... truth is a defense to defamation... so they can come at me all they want. I would rather keep this all secret until filing, but getting the class together is an important step.
Personally, I think comments like yours shouldn't be posted because they don't help anything. If your not interested... move on buddy. Some of us are actually pissed of about this and who are you to tell me my anger over the invasion of my privacy is unwarranted.

daftlush said:
I didnt agree to backup assist terms. I never do. Dont need it, so i dont want it running in background. After all, contacts are already stored in the google cloud.
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I would assume you clicked something unknowingly. I opted out of everything the phone asked and I do not have any service opted in on the myverizon.com site. I do have the suggestion for the service you speak of listed to enable but not already enabled. Sounds like you did it without understanding you did it.

zookii said:
I would assume you clicked something unknowingly. I opted out of everything the phone asked and I do not have any service opted in on the myverizon.com site. I do have the suggestion for the service you speak of listed to enable but not already enabled. Sounds like you did it without understanding you did it.
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Again, I don't need your opinions on why it happened. I'm not an idiot and I do read terms... they ****ed up and they know it. (even gave me credit towards next months bill as an apology)
I just need to know who else this has affected.

Hasn't affected me.
Also multi-quote is an amazing thing.

hmm... im not even sure if I am. I dont do texting period and had verizon disable texts all together. I suppose ill have to check my account.

You know... you could just flash another rom that doesn't have that feature on it. Problem solved.

daftlush said:
Again, I don't need your opinions on why it happened. I'm not an idiot and I do read terms... they ****ed up and they know it. (even gave me credit towards next months bill as an apology)
I just need to know who else this has affected.
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Honestly, you clicked something without reading. Not an opinion but apparently a fact since you signed up for a service. They credited you to shut you up. Nothing more, nothing less. You could rack up a severe bill on data charges, call and *****, and they will credit you to pacify you. Don't blame Verizon for your mistake and waste tax payers money in courts because you clicked something without reading.
Also how did you get a credit for something that was free anyways? Sounds like you called and complained about a free service you signed up for and they credited your account a certain amount to get you off the line.

I'm telling you people it was opt out not in. They took my contacts without my permission. I just did a factory reset just to double check. This ain't my first rodeo people.
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If it was opt out then why wasn't I opted in on it as I just got my Dinc2 recently and I am not signed up for it? Sounds very fishy on your part to me. Several others here stated they were not signed up either.

mrtrendy1 said:
If it was opt out then why wasn't I opted in on it as I just got my Dinc2 recently and I am not signed up for it? Sounds very fishy on your part to me. Several others here stated they were not signed up either.
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Agreed.
OP had to have enrolled or signed up for it. It shows up on mine, but also tells me I have to sign up for it. I'm pretty sure Big Red would make it pretty dummy proof that someone can't just auto enroll in something.
I smell BS..
It's all tied in with Backup Assistant. If he signed up for it, he should have read the TOS.

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Listen guys... I don't need you guys to believe me. I'm just intrested in the people who it also happened to. That's all. The rest of you can ignore this and continue on to flashing your next rom. Seriously... I'm not an idiot... I read... It happened... I can't explain the stupidity... But it happened. I've already heard back from enough people to know I'm not crazy... So... Whatever you guys say... I guess your right... Happy?
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Rant about Marketplace

To start, I'm sure this thread will elicit some angry responses. I'm fine with that, because everybody is entitled to their opinion, which is completely acceptable. All I am asking, is that you don't swear, call names, or get too crazy about it. Now on with my rant...
I find it utterly shocking as to the lack of respect certain members have in regards to the rules concerning marketplace. The rules are pretty cut and dry, yet time and again, there are those who simply don't care about them. These are the same people who whine and complain when their threads are closed. What is so difficult about following a few simple rules? This isn't rocket science people; follow the rules, or face the consequences!
-Selling/ trading phones you do not yet own, or are not yet in your posession:
Do I really need to explain the problem with this? If you don't have the phone in your posession, its not yours to sell/trade, and you have no business posting threads, or making deals with anybody. I can count on a hudred hands, where people got themselves (and others), into trouble doing this. Complete and total stupidity.
-Feeler threads:
I don't get this concept...whats the point? Either you want to sell/trade your item, or you don't. Seems to me like "feeler" threads are created by people who are hoping to get a windfall for their phone. I could be wrong, but that's how I perceive this. Example: Someone is hoping to get a Note for a crappy iPhone 4. Either you want to sell/trade your phone, or you don't. Just post your thread, and accept or deny the offers until you find one that suits you.
-Posting pictures:
I see a lot of people create a thread without including pictures right away, saying " I didn't have time to include them, or they were at work and couldn't post them right away". Don't create a thread if you can't do it properly. What is so freaking difficult about that??
-Selling/trading non cell phone related items:
Here is yet another cut and dry rule. If your item is not a phone, or an item that directly relates to a phone, you have no business listing it. A PSP, PS3, XBOX, Blow up doll, etc., are not in any way, related to a phone. Including these items as part of a package deal of a cell phone, does not qualify. Cases, headohones, sd cards, screen protectors, are examples of phone related items.
-Selling/trading phones with bad esns:
I've lost count as to how many threads I've seen, where people try selling blacklisted phones. One reason why XDA prohibits this, is the chance of the phone being stolen.
-Using a middle man:
This has to be the worse of them all. Why anybody would allow another member to use their eBay or Paypal accounts is beyond me. I can't wrap my head around this concept. O understand that some of you know each other on XDA, and have developed relationships with each other, but at the end of the day, it's XDA, so you can only go by what people tell you. If someone is asking to use your eBay or Paypal account to conduct business, its most likely because they screwed up their own accounts, and are blocked from opening another one. But they do it anyways, because the people asking are "trustworthy" and have solid feedback. This is almost always the case, yet most of the time, it ends badly. I've seen "trusted" members with perfect feedback involved in a scam, leaving the poor guy to fend for himself, cleaning up the mess. Think it through folks! You worked hard to build up your reputation, don't screw it up by letting someone you don't really know, use your accounts. Its not worth the risk.
When reminded about the rules, I've seen the excuse "sorry, I didn't know it was a rule"...You would have known, had you taken 10 minutes to read them!
The marketplace is under heavy scrutiny, and on the verge of being shut down for good, because people can't seem to follow SIMPLE rules. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL. The rules apple to everybody. The rule breakers are the very same people who whine and complain about these rules, and get upset when their threads get locked or their accounts get suspended. Marketplace is a priveledge, not a right. If you don't like it, go to Craigslist, but don't be selfish, and screw it up for the honest people who are resoectful.
Another thing that really blows my mind is how people who are proven scammers are still allowed to use Marketplace. I've seen so many "scam alert" threads, wjmhere the proven scammer is STILL able to use marketplace to sell their items. I don't get this at all. Unbelieveable!
If I came across as a pr*ck, I apologize. That was not my goal when creating this thread. I'm just really frustrated, because the rules are cut and dry, and it seems like more and more people are disregarding them, desoite the fact that marketplace is under fire for the way things have gone in the past. The lack of respect for the marketplace really pisses me off.
If you can't be bothered to respect the marketplace and follow the rules, that's fine, but don't screw it up for everybody else.
Your input is welcomed, encouraged, and appreciated.
Sent from my Galaxy Note (SGH-i717) using XDA Premium.

well said.

juzz86 said:
well said.
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Thanks, Justin.
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BrothaJINC said:
Ur dumb........... and ignorant
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If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation, don't say anything.

As I've suggested before, it shouldn't be a rule, but etiquette that people who've never traded with each other before take a picture of legal ID (privately, obviously) when a deal is made. I've traded driver's license pictures with another member once (during a trade I thought was too good to be true, might I add), and everything went smoothly. He turned out to be an honest guy to begin with, but it removed tension and trust issues from the equation since I knew:
- His address
- His phone number
- His email address
- What he looked like
- His DOB
Like I said, it shouldn't be a rule, but the with the scams being run lately, people should take caution and think about doing this.

JimmyMcGee said:
If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation, don't say anything.
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It's ok, he is on the ignore list.
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Like we always say on occasions like this, if there are specific examples you see of people breaking the MP rules, feel free to let us know.
If it's one or two threads, use the regular report feature. If it's more, just drop a senior mod or above a PM about it with links
I am currently out the country right now, but don't mind getting any bulk stuff about misdoings in the MP...
I was reading a book recently called the "Darwin Awards", about people who end up demonstrating survival of the fittest in real life. In a way, it would be wonderful if those who do stupid things in the MP also were eradicated from the gene pool, but alas I don't think it's an option...
Common sense is all you need... Shame so few have it

What I find funny is that I don't even know BROTHAJNC, never even talked to him befpre, and he posts a rude comment on my thread. What is going on? What has XDA become? He's posted on another of my threads doing the same thing. Since when is behavior like that tolerated? If this were in person, we all know how that would go. A ridge hand below the ear lobe would solve that attitude problem.
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pulser_g2 said:
...I was reading a book recently called the "Darwin Awards", about people who end up demonstrating survival of the fittest in real life. In a way, it would be wonderful if those who do stupid things in the MP also were eradicated from the gene pool, but alas I don't think it's an option...
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In one sense, you guys do have the power to do this. Not the gene pool as such, but certainly the 'talent pool' of XDA
I do think that the ban hammer could be swung a little more liberally in there. I understand it's hard though, especially as many members in trouble never actually make their cases particularly well.

juzz86 said:
In one sense, you guys do have the power to do this. Not the gene pool as such, but certainly the 'talent pool' of XDA
I do think that the ban hammer could be swung a little more liberally in there. I understand it's hard though, especially as many members in trouble never actually make their cases particularly well.
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Exactly. If someone sends me a PM linking me to some hotchpotch of nonsense, I'm frankly going to read a little bit of it, then go "uhm, too confusing, too much in dispute", and move on...
Conversely if you present a clear-cut point, which is not easily disputed, then there's more chance of something happening.
But it's very much about making a case, as we're not going to make the case for people... If they can make a case, it will be dealt with, but all too often those who get stung are acting irresponsibly in some other way (I'd bet they broke AT LEAST one of the rules themselves in carrying out the deal, or did something which would fail the common sense test)

pulser_g2 said:
Exactly. If someone sends me a PM linking me to some hotchpotch of nonsense, I'm frankly going to read a little bit of it, then go "uhm, too confusing, too much in dispute", and move on...
Conversely if you present a clear-cut point, which is not easily disputed, then there's more chance of something happening.
But it's very much about making a case, as we're not going to make the case for people... If they can make a case, it will be dealt with, but all too often those who get stung are acting irresponsibly in some other way (I'd bet they broke AT LEAST one of the rules themselves in carrying out the deal, or did something which would fail the common sense test)
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This. It's rarely cut-and-shut, and takes a long time for actual holes and 'missed' details to surface. Mind if I pinch your statement and post it in the Lounge? May help in explaining why 'ZOMG NBODY GETS TEH BANz'

juzz86 said:
This. It's rarely cut-and-shut, and takes a long time for actual holes and 'missed' details to surface. Mind if I pinch your statement and post it in the Lounge? May help in explaining why 'ZOMG NBODY GETS TEH BANz'
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Sure, by all means.
My words of "wisdom" should probably be creative commons licenced
Then again, can you apply a licence to stating the bleeding obvious?

pulser_g2 said:
Sure, by all means.
My words of "wisdom" should probably be creative commons licenced
Then again, can you apply a licence to stating the bleeding obvious?
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Of course... Look at Apple

egzthunder1 said:
Of course... Look at Apple
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He said the "A" word.
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The MP has changed a lot over the last few months, there weren't that many scams last year but this year has been hell of a ride...scams , people calling each other names ...am not sure what went wrong but yes something definitely went wrong in there.

munchy_cool said:
The MP has changed a lot over the last few months, there weren't that many scams last year but this year has been hell of a ride...scams , people calling each other names ...am not sure what went wrong but yes something definitely went wrong in there.
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Agreed. Id probably have quite a few transactions under my belt. But until it gets cleandmed uo, I'm not going to bother.
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munchy_cool said:
The MP has changed a lot over the last few months, there weren't that many scams last year but this year has been hell of a ride...scams , people calling each other names ...am not sure what went wrong but yes something definitely went wrong in there.
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The scams go in cycles though. There's a quiet period of a few weeks, then one tried it on and a couple follow, there's a shouting match, then it disappears again.
It's unfair that the ****ty deals get all the publicity in there. There is so much clean, silent good, and a minority of horrid, noisy bad. I'm as guilty as the next man of hopping in and having a say, but sitting back and watching says more, sometimes.
It's starting to change, albeit slowly. I'm getting more and more PMs for advice, which I don't mind too much. People are starting to care more, and take more efforts to protect themselves. We'll never get everybody, but as long as we can start the movement off we should see benefits in the long-term.

esthery xlvi,
Good rant.

Google Nexus Phones Contain NSA Code

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/11/headlines/nsa_writes_code_used_in_google_phone#.Ud9OIJLPBzk
NSA Writes Code Used in Google Phone
The tech giant Google has confirmed the National Security Agency furnished some of the code installed in its new Android phone. The NSA says the code is intended to enhance security against hackers and marketers, but will not confirm whether it also aids the agency’s PRISM program monitoring the global Internet.
Is it possible for custom ROM developers to remove this code?

Should be on AOSP, if so it should be easy to revert the related commits.
a maguro wrote this.

For those who want to know more: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-07-03/security-enhanced-android-nsa-edition

Since it's "open source" can we see what the NSA code put in there and what their intentions are?

bodh said:
For those who want to know more: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-07-03/security-enhanced-android-nsa-edition
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crap, I hate to say this but...
“Apple (AAPL) does not accept source code from any government agencies for any of our operating systems or other products,”
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way to go Apple!

I'll bet some flames are a-comin'! I'd be treating that apple remark as PR, plus they run unix, rather than linux, correct? The part that most reassures me is, 'Jeff Zemlin, the executive director of the Linux Foundation, says the NSA didn’t add any obvious means of eavesdropping. “This code was peer-reviewed by a lot of people," he says.' Essentially, I view this as the upcoming SELinux additions, at least at this present moment.

Neo3D said:
crap, I hate to say this but...
way to go Apple!
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yes but their devices 'accidentally' leak personal info , btw even if NSA looks at the data then so what ? i never did any thing wrong so why should i be worried ?

fahadsul3man said:
yes but their devices 'accidentally' leak personal info , btw even if NSA looks at the data then so what ? i never did any thing wrong so why should i be worried ?
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That's like saying, "I'm not gay, so why should I care about DOMA and gay rights?"

fahadsul3man said:
yes but their devices 'accidentally' leak personal info , btw even if NSA looks at the data then so what ? i never did any thing wrong so why should i be worried ?
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This is exactly the wrong sort of logic to apply to this sort of thing. Think about it, and I mean really think about it and do you really think it is fine to have your data scrutinized.
Not doing anything wrong should be even more of a reason to you to have that mystical unicorn called privacy.

fahadsul3man said:
yes but their devices 'accidentally' leak personal info , btw even if NSA looks at the data then so what ? i never did any thing wrong so why should i be worried ?
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Would you mind if the police kicked your door down and tossed your house without a warrant? You didn't do anything wrong, so you wouldn't have to worry about getting into trouble.

Spicyryan said:
This is exactly the wrong sort of logic to apply to this sort of thing. Think about it, and I mean really think about it and do you really think it is fine to have your data scrutinized.
Not doing anything wrong should be even more of a reason to you to have that mystical unicorn called privacy.
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but if you put it this way ; its the government agency that looks at the data to avoid major incidents like the boston bombing, i mean if a parent spied on their kids data to keep them safe and what be your reaction when the kid started complaining about privacy stuff ?

fahadsul3man said:
but if you put it this way ; its the government agency that looks at the data to avoid major incidents like the boston bombing, i mean if a parent spied on their kids data to keep them safe and what be your reaction when the kid started complaining about privacy stuff ?
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Parents have a right and duty to keep a watchful eye on their kids. The Government does not have that same right. We are supposedly guaranteed freedom, and it keeps get less and less because (No offense intended) too many people have the attitude that they don't care, it won't effect them. Keep giving away freedoms and not holding the Government accountable for their actions and nobody is going to like where it is going. History has shown us this several times, and its never, ever, ended well for the citizens.

yawn.
Do people really think the government has any interest in looking at their selfies, twitters posts, useless texts? or that people who transmit legitimately sensitive information do it by phone? Or that people actually sit and read every single thing, instead of having software filters out only the small fractions of data that they're interested in?
If that's the case then I have tinfoil hats for sale.

Rodya234 said:
yawn.
Do people really think the government has any interest in looking at their selfies, twitters posts, useless texts? or that people who transmit legitimately sensitive information do it by phone? Or that people actually sit and read every single thing, instead of having software filters out only the small fractions of data that they're interested in?
If that's the case then I have tinfoil hats for sale.
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I work for the Government, and yes, yes we do. In fact, there are people who make a whole lot of money to comb over all the hits on Facebook pages, and Twitter reading hits that are returned on a zillion different keywords. Nothing to see here, the Government always has your best interest at heart, and values your freedom.

Yes, and I'm sure the people you work for are completely okay with employees making aware the existence of such programs publicly. That's why they get free vacations to Hong Kong right?
Let me guess, you're going to say, "wake up" next. lmfao.

Neo3D said:
crap, I hate to say this but...
way to go Apple!
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Be careful giving Apple too much credit. It's already been shown that these companies are playing a semantics game and what reads like an outright denial is probably carefully chosen legalese

How can you be sure that apple doesn't accept code from NSA or any other gov agency? Lol is it open source so that you (and everybody else) can see what's going on?
paranoid.
a manta wrote this.

Again like I say to every post about the "NSA". I don't see why people are acting so surprised, if the NSA want your information they'll get it. Whether you go against it or not, they'll get your information. Posting about it on forums isn't going to change it. Even if you DIDN'T have a smartphone, they'd still manage to get information on you. There are CCTV cameras everywhere, there is personal information stored about you at your personal bank... Hell your zip/post code tells the government where you live.
If you want anything done about it go live in the jungle. As there will always be a government observing your every move as long as you live in a world where everything is connected.

Rodya234 said:
yawn.
Do people really think the government has any interest in looking at their selfies, twitters posts, useless texts? or that people who transmit legitimately sensitive information do it by phone? Or that people actually sit and read every single thing, instead of having software filters out only the small fractions of data that they're interested in?
If that's the case then I have tinfoil hats for sale.
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Rodya234 said:
yawn.
Do people really think the government has any interest in looking at their selfies, twitters posts, useless texts? or that people who transmit legitimately sensitive information do it by phone? Or that people actually sit and read every single thing, instead of having software filters out only the small fractions of data that they're interested in?
If that's the case then I have tinfoil hats for sale.
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Well what I'm worried about is the government seeing my "iv got the weed for the party" text and knowing where I am and then coming and searching my house without a warrent. lol
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