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AT&T Users - READ ME - Account Privacy Issues

I have also posted this in the kaiser section, I created 2 threads to better the exposure to AT&T users in the forums they most frequent.
Hello Fellow AT&T Customers,
I want to notify all AT&T users of a situation that currently arose so you can protect yourself from having it happen to you. Last week a third party was able to call AT&T Customer Care and obtain all account information for all lines that I have. I have started a blog about this at http://www.tri-syndicate.com AT&T Customer Care management states that nothing will be done to compensate me for the harassment, and that it can happen to anyone. I am starting this blog to fight back at AT&T so this doesn't happen to anyone else.
If you haven't done so already I would suggest calling and setting a password on your account because it will help but not completely stop this from happening.
I am unsure of carrier policies outside of the U.S. but the U.S. carrier policies need to be changed before further damage may occur. I know they have obtained my cellular numbers but I do not know if they were able to obtain my address as well, this I am still trying to find out.
If anyone has any tips, suggestions, or ideas I am all ears.
Regards,
CUSTEL

Thanks for the heads up about the account privacy. AT&T customer support has always been the total opposite...ie. "unsupportive" and "lack of customer care". Would setting up the account password online do same thing as calling them (I really hate dealing with those guys). I know when I set up my password online, they sent an sms to confirm my password. Do you think that's what the perps did to get access to your account? If the perps did get access to your account online then they would've been able to see your billing address.

blistirs said:
Thanks for the heads up about the account privacy. AT&T customer support has always been the total opposite...ie. "unsupportive" and "lack of customer care". Would setting up the account password online do same thing as calling them (I really hate dealing with those guys). I know when I set up my password online, they sent an sms to confirm my password. Do you think that's what the perps did to get access to your account? If the perps did get access to your account online then they would've been able to see your billing address.
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That password is only to access your account online, the password I am referring to you have to give every time you call in about your account. It will lessen the risk of any information being distributed. My account was breached over the phone, I have the operators name that the person spoke to due to them being reckless and taking nots of the conversation. I am trying to identify their id number at the moment.

Got it! I'll set that one up. It's better than giving customer support the last 4 digit of SS and mother's maiden name. thanks for the heads up again. I hope your able to figure out who was screwing with your account

Post the phone numbers and names of Person 1 and Person 2. Maybe some forum members can give them a call and ask them why they are being such asshat stalkers
Have you filed a police report? Telephone harassment is a criminal offense in most jurisdictions. You could also file a civil suit for lost income. That being said, often all it takes is two officers knocking on the person's door to set them straight.
fluxist

As a member of the att csr i can honestly say that If someone can verify your account they are able to get just about any kind of info they want. i also know for a fact they are not able to obtain your social, birth date, and drivers license as for this info (with the exception of the last four digits of your social) are all hidden from everyone. due to the last four being a verification means. unless there is a billing password. Now as far as getting the reps id number it will never happen. no one will give that to you. the reason being customers calling in and saying they work for att providing someone elses id and doing damage. Now i dont know what info they provided for this third party. Nor am i trying to defend that rep. But it is that way with every other provider. If you can verify the account you have access to it. And i can tell you that these security measures we have protect you way more than hurt you. I am not going to say they are perfect because they are not, nor is anyone elses. But trust me when i say we do a very good job of saving your butt way more than you will ever know!!!!!!!!!!!! Cause there are some shady flipping people out there. And untill you have acctually been on the inside, you will never really know the full extent. Now as far as doing something about this. not much will happen due to them verifying.

if the harasser works for att/knows someone who works for att, could they have gotten the information that way?

this thread is not informative , waist of time
edward

edward-riko said:
this thread is not informative , waist of time
edward
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That's nice, go play in traffic.
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That's nice, go play in traffic.
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I read your most recent blog posting. I don't think you're really grasping the fault in your argument.
As the CSR stated, you have no idea if this third party called AT&T to get your info. You have no evidence, but beyond that, there isn't even any compelling reason to believe it.
You're making a very unjustified leap in logic to get pissed off at ATT. Let me get this straight, the 'proof' you have is a piece of paper saying 'ATT' and your cell numbers, which you found at the home of a person who you suspect might want to harass you?
There are an infinite number of ways a person could have found that information. Maybe they stole your mail. Maybe they hacked into your computer. Maybe they guessed your password. Maybe they social engineered one of your friends. Maybe they asked your mother. See what I'm getting at here? The idea you are dead-set on is no more plausible than any of the above. Not only that, but all evidence available specifically fails to back up your claim. There is no record of anyone calling in to your account and making queries. No reason to believe they know your SSN. No confession or witness or hearsay. No nothing.
I assume that, since you avoid mentioning taking legal remedies, that you have already been told it is not possible. I work in Civil and Criminal Law in NYS and I can tell you that you would need some sort of real evidence here before you could pursue any remedy at all. Asit is, there's nothing but a feeling you have.
But it's your blog. You can cry if you want to.
fluxist

Owned in your own post...lol
fluxist said:
I read your most recent blog posting. I don't think you're really grasping the fault in your argument.
As the CSR stated, you have no idea if this third party called AT&T to get your info. You have no evidence, but beyond that, there isn't even any compelling reason to believe it.
You're making a very unjustified leap in logic to get pissed off at ATT. Let me get this straight, the 'proof' you have is a piece of paper saying 'ATT' and your cell numbers, which you found at the home of a person who you suspect might want to harass you?
There are an infinite number of ways a person could have found that information. Maybe they stole your mail. Maybe they hacked into your computer. Maybe they guessed your password. Maybe they social engineered one of your friends. Maybe they asked your mother. See what I'm getting at here? The idea you are dead-set on is no more plausible than any of the above. Not only that, but all evidence available specifically fails to back up your claim. There is no record of anyone calling in to your account and making queries. No reason to believe they know your SSN. No confession or witness or hearsay. No nothing.
I assume that, since you avoid mentioning taking legal remedies, that you have already been told it is not possible. I work in Civil and Criminal Law in NYS and I can tell you that you would need some sort of real evidence here before you could pursue any remedy at all. Asit is, there's nothing but a feeling you have.
But it's your blog. You can cry if you want to.
fluxist
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lol lol lol damn....based on my past dealings with Custel, i dont feel sorry for him(and probably deserves whatever is happeneing to him) BUT im gonna take his advice and put that passwd. on my accnt.

fluxist said:
I read your most recent blog posting. I don't think you're really grasping the fault in your argument.
As the CSR stated, you have no idea if this third party called AT&T to get your info. You have no evidence, but beyond that, there isn't even any compelling reason to believe it.
You're making a very unjustified leap in logic to get pissed off at ATT. Let me get this straight, the 'proof' you have is a piece of paper saying 'ATT' and your cell numbers, which you found at the home of a person who you suspect might want to harass you?
There are an infinite number of ways a person could have found that information. Maybe they stole your mail. Maybe they hacked into your computer. Maybe they guessed your password. Maybe they social engineered one of your friends. Maybe they asked your mother. See what I'm getting at here? The idea you are dead-set on is no more plausible than any of the above. Not only that, but all evidence available specifically fails to back up your claim. There is no record of anyone calling in to your account and making queries. No reason to believe they know your SSN. No confession or witness or hearsay. No nothing.
I assume that, since you avoid mentioning taking legal remedies, that you have already been told it is not possible. I work in Civil and Criminal Law in NYS and I can tell you that you would need some sort of real evidence here before you could pursue any remedy at all. Asit is, there's nothing but a feeling you have.
But it's your blog. You can cry if you want to.
fluxist
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They don't even live in the same state as me and I have paperless billing. Would you like to try again? They know none of my friends, they know no one I associate with. You know nothing about the situation therefore your reasons of them obtaining it are irrelivant.
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lol lol lol damn....based on my past dealings with Custel, i dont feel sorry for him(and probably deserves whatever is happeneing to him) BUT im gonna take his advice and put that passwd. on my accnt.
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We have never "dealt" with each other, I just looked through your posts and not once was there a conversation between the two of us so would you like to pull your head out of your ass and explain?

Everyone needs to back the hell off Custel for what he's saying. I've had a friends' info get compromised by AT&T's customer service reps before. They were being stalked and the stalker BS'd their way by some idiot rep to get their new phone number. I already have a password on my account due to their experiences. If you don't want to trust his situation or want to live in a bubble about the possibility of losing personal information from a business, then feel free. But what he's saying is not a ton of BS.

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We have never "dealt" with each other, I just looked through your posts and not once was there a conversation between the two of us so would you like to pull your head out of your ass and explain?
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wow...you took the time to look through all my post....get a ****ing life...hell at least a hobby..that requires stepping AWAY from the computer....anyhow ..i never said my dealings with you were on this site...it was on your tri-syndicate site...and stop playing dumb you know exactly who I am...
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Everyone needs to back the hell off Custel for what he's saying. I've had a friends' info get compromised by AT&T's customer service reps before. They were being stalked and the stalker BS'd their way by some idiot rep to get their new phone number. I already have a password on my account due to their experiences. If you don't want to trust his situation or want to live in a bubble about the possibility of losing personal information from a business, then feel free. But what he's saying is not a ton of BS.
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Its not that we think what he is saying cant happen...its that he doesnt have a shred of actual PROOF that is was AT&T's fault...which is why he is running into problems with them

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That's nice, go play in traffic.
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Dear Custel you are good in making roms so make a good rom with the latest build (schaps 4.2) and then post it on your site , so people will appreciate your work and not your talks
Regards
edward

There was one of those 'Reality' court shows on TV recently where someone knew the last 4 digits of someones SS and was able to add 2 more lines to someones account. The victim got a bill from ATT for $2300.
Ouch!

it's a real posibility that it was obtain right from ATT. a LOT of places have major lapses in security, needing only very basic information to 'reset' or circumvent the default protection schemes.
I think most companies that keep any address/phone/ "account" type informatoin needs to have some more serious levels of protection.
Custel, i hope the bastard that got ur info goes and plays in traffic!

ljinsane said:
wow...you took the time to look through all my post....get a ****ing life...hell at least a hobby..that requires stepping AWAY from the computer....anyhow ..i never said my dealings with you were on this site...it was on your tri-syndicate site...and stop playing dumb you know exactly who I am...
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If I knew who the hell you were I wouldn't have told you to elaborate now would I? Obviously not the brightest crayon in the box...
Get a ****ing life? Unlike you I enable myself to work from home FROM my computer therefore I have plenty of time to research when an asshat runs their mouth about me.

CUSTEL said:
If I knew who the hell you were I wouldn't have told you to elaborate now would I? Obviously not the brightest crayon in the box...
Get a ****ing life? Unlike you I enable myself to work from home FROM my computer therefore I have plenty of time to research when an asshat runs their mouth about me.
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lol.....and that is why you got some of the negative responses that you did in this in thread.....lol ......and it took you several days to respond ....had to get your brain power up huh?.....you work from home....WOW i'm so impressed... all the more reason for you to GET A LIFE!!! AND LOG OFF THE COMPUTER!!!....LOL. I'm not surprised since you obviously do not know how to conduct yourself eloquently enough on the net who would think you can in person? BTW this whole situation you are going through and how you are going about dealing with it demonstrated how BRIGHT you are..or should I say aren't. lol heres a suggestion:
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Well I read your blog. And like i told you in my response the other day. Your just sh#t out of luck. You will not be compensated in any way, because there is nothing to compensate you for. From what you said someone call cust service, verified your account and the csr did there job. It shows you are quite upset about it. But the rep did there job. Which could happen to any of us (att customers). Because yes i have an account. And i have five lines on that account. This can be done regardless of the carrier. Anything can be done with your ss#. Your lucky thats all they did. They could have gone into a store and added lines to your acount or made changes and you could have been in for a huge bill. I can promise you when you call cust service you will get much more acomplished being respectful then acting like an ass!!!!!!!!!!!

Rant about Marketplace

To start, I'm sure this thread will elicit some angry responses. I'm fine with that, because everybody is entitled to their opinion, which is completely acceptable. All I am asking, is that you don't swear, call names, or get too crazy about it. Now on with my rant...
I find it utterly shocking as to the lack of respect certain members have in regards to the rules concerning marketplace. The rules are pretty cut and dry, yet time and again, there are those who simply don't care about them. These are the same people who whine and complain when their threads are closed. What is so difficult about following a few simple rules? This isn't rocket science people; follow the rules, or face the consequences!
-Selling/ trading phones you do not yet own, or are not yet in your posession:
Do I really need to explain the problem with this? If you don't have the phone in your posession, its not yours to sell/trade, and you have no business posting threads, or making deals with anybody. I can count on a hudred hands, where people got themselves (and others), into trouble doing this. Complete and total stupidity.
-Feeler threads:
I don't get this concept...whats the point? Either you want to sell/trade your item, or you don't. Seems to me like "feeler" threads are created by people who are hoping to get a windfall for their phone. I could be wrong, but that's how I perceive this. Example: Someone is hoping to get a Note for a crappy iPhone 4. Either you want to sell/trade your phone, or you don't. Just post your thread, and accept or deny the offers until you find one that suits you.
-Posting pictures:
I see a lot of people create a thread without including pictures right away, saying " I didn't have time to include them, or they were at work and couldn't post them right away". Don't create a thread if you can't do it properly. What is so freaking difficult about that??
-Selling/trading non cell phone related items:
Here is yet another cut and dry rule. If your item is not a phone, or an item that directly relates to a phone, you have no business listing it. A PSP, PS3, XBOX, Blow up doll, etc., are not in any way, related to a phone. Including these items as part of a package deal of a cell phone, does not qualify. Cases, headohones, sd cards, screen protectors, are examples of phone related items.
-Selling/trading phones with bad esns:
I've lost count as to how many threads I've seen, where people try selling blacklisted phones. One reason why XDA prohibits this, is the chance of the phone being stolen.
-Using a middle man:
This has to be the worse of them all. Why anybody would allow another member to use their eBay or Paypal accounts is beyond me. I can't wrap my head around this concept. O understand that some of you know each other on XDA, and have developed relationships with each other, but at the end of the day, it's XDA, so you can only go by what people tell you. If someone is asking to use your eBay or Paypal account to conduct business, its most likely because they screwed up their own accounts, and are blocked from opening another one. But they do it anyways, because the people asking are "trustworthy" and have solid feedback. This is almost always the case, yet most of the time, it ends badly. I've seen "trusted" members with perfect feedback involved in a scam, leaving the poor guy to fend for himself, cleaning up the mess. Think it through folks! You worked hard to build up your reputation, don't screw it up by letting someone you don't really know, use your accounts. Its not worth the risk.
When reminded about the rules, I've seen the excuse "sorry, I didn't know it was a rule"...You would have known, had you taken 10 minutes to read them!
The marketplace is under heavy scrutiny, and on the verge of being shut down for good, because people can't seem to follow SIMPLE rules. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL. The rules apple to everybody. The rule breakers are the very same people who whine and complain about these rules, and get upset when their threads get locked or their accounts get suspended. Marketplace is a priveledge, not a right. If you don't like it, go to Craigslist, but don't be selfish, and screw it up for the honest people who are resoectful.
Another thing that really blows my mind is how people who are proven scammers are still allowed to use Marketplace. I've seen so many "scam alert" threads, wjmhere the proven scammer is STILL able to use marketplace to sell their items. I don't get this at all. Unbelieveable!
If I came across as a pr*ck, I apologize. That was not my goal when creating this thread. I'm just really frustrated, because the rules are cut and dry, and it seems like more and more people are disregarding them, desoite the fact that marketplace is under fire for the way things have gone in the past. The lack of respect for the marketplace really pisses me off.
If you can't be bothered to respect the marketplace and follow the rules, that's fine, but don't screw it up for everybody else.
Your input is welcomed, encouraged, and appreciated.
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well said.

juzz86 said:
well said.
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Thanks, Justin.
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BrothaJINC said:
Ur dumb........... and ignorant
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If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation, don't say anything.

As I've suggested before, it shouldn't be a rule, but etiquette that people who've never traded with each other before take a picture of legal ID (privately, obviously) when a deal is made. I've traded driver's license pictures with another member once (during a trade I thought was too good to be true, might I add), and everything went smoothly. He turned out to be an honest guy to begin with, but it removed tension and trust issues from the equation since I knew:
- His address
- His phone number
- His email address
- What he looked like
- His DOB
Like I said, it shouldn't be a rule, but the with the scams being run lately, people should take caution and think about doing this.

JimmyMcGee said:
If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation, don't say anything.
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It's ok, he is on the ignore list.
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Like we always say on occasions like this, if there are specific examples you see of people breaking the MP rules, feel free to let us know.
If it's one or two threads, use the regular report feature. If it's more, just drop a senior mod or above a PM about it with links
I am currently out the country right now, but don't mind getting any bulk stuff about misdoings in the MP...
I was reading a book recently called the "Darwin Awards", about people who end up demonstrating survival of the fittest in real life. In a way, it would be wonderful if those who do stupid things in the MP also were eradicated from the gene pool, but alas I don't think it's an option...
Common sense is all you need... Shame so few have it

What I find funny is that I don't even know BROTHAJNC, never even talked to him befpre, and he posts a rude comment on my thread. What is going on? What has XDA become? He's posted on another of my threads doing the same thing. Since when is behavior like that tolerated? If this were in person, we all know how that would go. A ridge hand below the ear lobe would solve that attitude problem.
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pulser_g2 said:
...I was reading a book recently called the "Darwin Awards", about people who end up demonstrating survival of the fittest in real life. In a way, it would be wonderful if those who do stupid things in the MP also were eradicated from the gene pool, but alas I don't think it's an option...
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In one sense, you guys do have the power to do this. Not the gene pool as such, but certainly the 'talent pool' of XDA
I do think that the ban hammer could be swung a little more liberally in there. I understand it's hard though, especially as many members in trouble never actually make their cases particularly well.

juzz86 said:
In one sense, you guys do have the power to do this. Not the gene pool as such, but certainly the 'talent pool' of XDA
I do think that the ban hammer could be swung a little more liberally in there. I understand it's hard though, especially as many members in trouble never actually make their cases particularly well.
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Exactly. If someone sends me a PM linking me to some hotchpotch of nonsense, I'm frankly going to read a little bit of it, then go "uhm, too confusing, too much in dispute", and move on...
Conversely if you present a clear-cut point, which is not easily disputed, then there's more chance of something happening.
But it's very much about making a case, as we're not going to make the case for people... If they can make a case, it will be dealt with, but all too often those who get stung are acting irresponsibly in some other way (I'd bet they broke AT LEAST one of the rules themselves in carrying out the deal, or did something which would fail the common sense test)

pulser_g2 said:
Exactly. If someone sends me a PM linking me to some hotchpotch of nonsense, I'm frankly going to read a little bit of it, then go "uhm, too confusing, too much in dispute", and move on...
Conversely if you present a clear-cut point, which is not easily disputed, then there's more chance of something happening.
But it's very much about making a case, as we're not going to make the case for people... If they can make a case, it will be dealt with, but all too often those who get stung are acting irresponsibly in some other way (I'd bet they broke AT LEAST one of the rules themselves in carrying out the deal, or did something which would fail the common sense test)
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This. It's rarely cut-and-shut, and takes a long time for actual holes and 'missed' details to surface. Mind if I pinch your statement and post it in the Lounge? May help in explaining why 'ZOMG NBODY GETS TEH BANz'

juzz86 said:
This. It's rarely cut-and-shut, and takes a long time for actual holes and 'missed' details to surface. Mind if I pinch your statement and post it in the Lounge? May help in explaining why 'ZOMG NBODY GETS TEH BANz'
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Sure, by all means.
My words of "wisdom" should probably be creative commons licenced
Then again, can you apply a licence to stating the bleeding obvious?

pulser_g2 said:
Sure, by all means.
My words of "wisdom" should probably be creative commons licenced
Then again, can you apply a licence to stating the bleeding obvious?
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Of course... Look at Apple

egzthunder1 said:
Of course... Look at Apple
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He said the "A" word.
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The MP has changed a lot over the last few months, there weren't that many scams last year but this year has been hell of a ride...scams , people calling each other names ...am not sure what went wrong but yes something definitely went wrong in there.

munchy_cool said:
The MP has changed a lot over the last few months, there weren't that many scams last year but this year has been hell of a ride...scams , people calling each other names ...am not sure what went wrong but yes something definitely went wrong in there.
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Agreed. Id probably have quite a few transactions under my belt. But until it gets cleandmed uo, I'm not going to bother.
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munchy_cool said:
The MP has changed a lot over the last few months, there weren't that many scams last year but this year has been hell of a ride...scams , people calling each other names ...am not sure what went wrong but yes something definitely went wrong in there.
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The scams go in cycles though. There's a quiet period of a few weeks, then one tried it on and a couple follow, there's a shouting match, then it disappears again.
It's unfair that the ****ty deals get all the publicity in there. There is so much clean, silent good, and a minority of horrid, noisy bad. I'm as guilty as the next man of hopping in and having a say, but sitting back and watching says more, sometimes.
It's starting to change, albeit slowly. I'm getting more and more PMs for advice, which I don't mind too much. People are starting to care more, and take more efforts to protect themselves. We'll never get everybody, but as long as we can start the movement off we should see benefits in the long-term.

esthery xlvi,
Good rant.

If you could say somthing to this guy what would you say to him?

http://davesays.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/windows-phone-sucks/

That he is perfectly entitled to his opinion oh and that he is a complete tool
Its very easy to sum up windows phone in 24hours took me ages to actually work out all the functions and am still surprised by ones I don't know about today, Fan-boys will always be exactly that and he is probably too stubborn to admit anything different from what he is familiar with, As I said a complete tool with no imagination for change or willingness to accept anything other than his comforts, Sheepish behaviour we are all too familiar with these days.

I agree - he was offered an evaluation for 30 days but sent the phone back after 1 day. I don't think he went into the evaluation with an open mind.
Also, his site says "I am NOT an average man ... I enjoy quality cutlery and firearms." Not someone I'd particularly want to argue with

I can sum it up with three words - "get a life".

AndyFZ1S said:
That he is perfectly entitled to his opinion oh and that he is a complete tool
Its very easy to sum up windows phone in 24hours took me ages to actually work out all the functions and am still surprised by ones I don't know about today, Fan-boys will always be exactly that and he is probably too stubborn to admit anything different from what he is familiar with, As I said a complete tool with no imagination for change or willingness to accept anything other than his comforts, Sheepish behaviour we are all too familiar with these days.
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I agree - he was offered an evaluation for 30 days but sent the phone back after 1 day. I don't think he went into the evaluation with an open mind.
Also, his site says "I am NOT an average man ... I enjoy quality cutlery and firearms." Not someone I'd particularly want to argue with
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If he's a man to begin with. NOT an average man? Who does he think he is, Michael Jackson on Thriller?

http://davesays.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/windows-phone-sucks/#comment-19892
1.Dee | May 27, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Err, given your inability to say anything in an objective manor it doesn’t surprise me you have had difficulties adjusting to Windows Phone. It is different, ergo you need to learn. Let me say that again in case it didn’t sink in, Windows Phone is different to an iPhone, and Android, there for YOU have to LEARN.
The fact you ditched it after only a day, the fact you write like a teenage fan-boy and finally the fact that you haven’t been objective from the very first words that littered your blog here tells me and any other sane mature individual that you shouldn’t be doing such reviews any more, its a waste of energy, a waste of time and worst of all, its just plain inaccurate FUD.
Dont give up the day job son, or more likely, get your arse back to school.
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Thats what id say lol

I'd say nothing...never mess with keyboard gangstas, the simple fact that they have a blog just in order to share their worthless and arrogant words about things with complete strangers over the web means that they have some huge ego, which they don't show in real life because they're weak and they would get their arse smashed dealing with real people with real cohones. And they all work in IT, yeah right...
Sent from my Lumia 800 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

vnvman said:
I'd say nothing...never mess with keyboard gangstas, the simple fact that they have a blog just in order to share their worthless and arrogant words about things with complete strangers over the web means that they have some huge ego, which they don't show in real life because they're weak and they would get their arse smashed dealing with real people with real cohones. And they all work in IT, yeah right...
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Gangsta? If momma has to pick you up at school or you have to ride the bus to work, you ain't no gangsta. I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your post, good work.

At first I'd write myseld in rage.. I hate "kids" like this, people that idotic reviews of a new product with the conclusen it's ****ty because it's not like all the other comparable products. I mean only because Anroid looks like iOS, WP hast to do it too? Sure after one day, he knows everything about the Device. And if he'd really want a good navigation software, he'd purchased Navigon (or whatever it's called). Maybe then, maybe later I'd recognise what I'm doing and that there is no point in doing so, because attention is what he wants, and I'd delete my text again.
Afterall I argree with vnvman!
PS: Where do you drown a Hipstar? - In the Mainstream...

His 1st point is a lie...
All new LTE Windows phjones have Visual voicemail.
Old ones do also if the damn carriers would enable them.
His second thing on apps. Purely not true. Drummer roll please....
United Airline app... http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/043c89b2-f869-4306-b012-52a870bf5e72
You can tap to focus the camera... IT focuses where you tap then takes the picture. Why the hell would you focus on something if you were not going to take the damn picture, omg. And you can set it so you don't accidently press the camera buttons in settings. This guy is complete BS.
Xbox games are seperate also Only acheivements are stored for prosterity. IT's not like you can't play one game without playing another.
I'd rather only the time be shown then using the ripp off from android for the notification center.
He complains about MS renaming yet he loves apple that decided not the call the ipad 3 nothing else but the "Ipad". What a marketing mess. WHich ipad do you own? You know i have the ipad. The new or old? I don't know just says ipad.
People like this piss me off.
I don't mind the iphone or android but when they say things that aren't true about other platforms they don't understand, it gets to me.

sinister1 said:
http://davesays.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/windows-phone-sucks/
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Well for one I wouldn't post links to his blog. And if I saw a link to his blog I wouldn't click on it. No sense in upping his Google rank.
Frankly if I were to ever speak to him I would say I'm glad you have freedom of speech wherever you live and thank you for not posting to the Windows Phone section of XDA. The guys over in the Andriod section of this forum may be cursing Windows Phone every day. I don't know about it because I don't read that section. To each there own. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion... even if I think their opinion is really dumb. It only bothers me if they keep shoving it in my face for no apparent reason when they don't have anything else to contribute to the platform.

ROCOAFZ said:
His second thing on apps. Purely not true. Drummer roll please....
United Airline app... http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/043c89b2-f869-4306-b012-52a870bf5e72
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Hardly a proper app, have you read the reviews? Charging for crap like this probably does more harm than good to the 'platform'.
"doesnt retain info ...waste of money"
"Rip off. Author is a thief. This is a wrapper for free websites, nothing more than a bookmark. Until a proper app is released, just go to united.com.
"This app sucks"
"Worthless app. Doesn't retain data or keep you logged in. The website is much more user friendly."
"Absolute waste of money. Use the mobile website and you will get a better experience."
Not exactly the best example to defend WP!

As others have already mentioned, this guy is a complete tool.
*No receipt scanning app - I use HandyScan and I love it.
*Populating People Hub with crap contacts from hotmail account - Well... that's what you get for not maintaining your hotmail contacts better. I set a friend up, a few weeks ago, with her first smart phone... the Lumia 710. On her RAZR, she had all her phone numbers. On her hotmail account, she had all her email addresses. Have to manually merge the two. A lengthy, but necessary process that only has to happen once. That this guy can't keep his contacts in good order is clearly NOT my problem.
*Camera functions suck - Yes, there is no question that the iPhone 4s has an amazing camera with good funtionality. Actually using it though is a complete PITA. I was teaching a few friends how to select focus and exposure points on their iPhones. So much work with pressing and long pressing. Oh, and I can't stand having to press the software button to snap the photo. I'm constantly hitting the home button instead of the shutter. It's remarkably awkward and unintuitive. This, however, is only my opinion based upon the fact that I've never own an iPhone and never well, but am quite skilled in how to actually use one.

If the guy doesn't want his Hotmail contacts to show up, it only takes a couple of steps to filter which contacts show up. Using the phone one day, he never gave it a chance.
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA

Ineedtoys said:
Hardly a proper app, have you read the reviews? Charging for crap like this probably does more harm than good to the 'platform'.
"doesnt retain info ...waste of money"
"Rip off. Author is a thief. This is a wrapper for free websites, nothing more than a bookmark. Until a proper app is released, just go to united.com.
"This app sucks"
"Worthless app. Doesn't retain data or keep you logged in. The website is much more user friendly."
"Absolute waste of money. Use the mobile website and you will get a better experience."
Not exactly the best example to defend WP!
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yes, but he did say there was "none"
Actually i would have used skyscanner or something else but he was saying one specific brand was not there.

As a regular consumer, who cares about what he says.
His false opinions are his own.
For gods sake judging by how he wrote this so-called "review" labels him as an iOS sheep and Android bridge troll, what a goddamn fcking retard.

I laughed so hard at this chaps apparent inability to take on new tech, he really does come across as being a pre teen keyboard warrior.
I for one am glad he doesnt like the OS, WP7 is better off without people who cannot count the amount of appendages they posess.
......................and Darwin slowly turns in his grave.

Google Nexus Phones Contain NSA Code

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/11/headlines/nsa_writes_code_used_in_google_phone#.Ud9OIJLPBzk
NSA Writes Code Used in Google Phone
The tech giant Google has confirmed the National Security Agency furnished some of the code installed in its new Android phone. The NSA says the code is intended to enhance security against hackers and marketers, but will not confirm whether it also aids the agency’s PRISM program monitoring the global Internet.
Is it possible for custom ROM developers to remove this code?

Should be on AOSP, if so it should be easy to revert the related commits.
a maguro wrote this.

For those who want to know more: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-07-03/security-enhanced-android-nsa-edition

Since it's "open source" can we see what the NSA code put in there and what their intentions are?

bodh said:
For those who want to know more: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-07-03/security-enhanced-android-nsa-edition
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crap, I hate to say this but...
“Apple (AAPL) does not accept source code from any government agencies for any of our operating systems or other products,”
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way to go Apple!

I'll bet some flames are a-comin'! I'd be treating that apple remark as PR, plus they run unix, rather than linux, correct? The part that most reassures me is, 'Jeff Zemlin, the executive director of the Linux Foundation, says the NSA didn’t add any obvious means of eavesdropping. “This code was peer-reviewed by a lot of people," he says.' Essentially, I view this as the upcoming SELinux additions, at least at this present moment.

Neo3D said:
crap, I hate to say this but...
way to go Apple!
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yes but their devices 'accidentally' leak personal info , btw even if NSA looks at the data then so what ? i never did any thing wrong so why should i be worried ?

fahadsul3man said:
yes but their devices 'accidentally' leak personal info , btw even if NSA looks at the data then so what ? i never did any thing wrong so why should i be worried ?
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That's like saying, "I'm not gay, so why should I care about DOMA and gay rights?"

fahadsul3man said:
yes but their devices 'accidentally' leak personal info , btw even if NSA looks at the data then so what ? i never did any thing wrong so why should i be worried ?
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This is exactly the wrong sort of logic to apply to this sort of thing. Think about it, and I mean really think about it and do you really think it is fine to have your data scrutinized.
Not doing anything wrong should be even more of a reason to you to have that mystical unicorn called privacy.

fahadsul3man said:
yes but their devices 'accidentally' leak personal info , btw even if NSA looks at the data then so what ? i never did any thing wrong so why should i be worried ?
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Would you mind if the police kicked your door down and tossed your house without a warrant? You didn't do anything wrong, so you wouldn't have to worry about getting into trouble.

Spicyryan said:
This is exactly the wrong sort of logic to apply to this sort of thing. Think about it, and I mean really think about it and do you really think it is fine to have your data scrutinized.
Not doing anything wrong should be even more of a reason to you to have that mystical unicorn called privacy.
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but if you put it this way ; its the government agency that looks at the data to avoid major incidents like the boston bombing, i mean if a parent spied on their kids data to keep them safe and what be your reaction when the kid started complaining about privacy stuff ?

fahadsul3man said:
but if you put it this way ; its the government agency that looks at the data to avoid major incidents like the boston bombing, i mean if a parent spied on their kids data to keep them safe and what be your reaction when the kid started complaining about privacy stuff ?
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Parents have a right and duty to keep a watchful eye on their kids. The Government does not have that same right. We are supposedly guaranteed freedom, and it keeps get less and less because (No offense intended) too many people have the attitude that they don't care, it won't effect them. Keep giving away freedoms and not holding the Government accountable for their actions and nobody is going to like where it is going. History has shown us this several times, and its never, ever, ended well for the citizens.

yawn.
Do people really think the government has any interest in looking at their selfies, twitters posts, useless texts? or that people who transmit legitimately sensitive information do it by phone? Or that people actually sit and read every single thing, instead of having software filters out only the small fractions of data that they're interested in?
If that's the case then I have tinfoil hats for sale.

Rodya234 said:
yawn.
Do people really think the government has any interest in looking at their selfies, twitters posts, useless texts? or that people who transmit legitimately sensitive information do it by phone? Or that people actually sit and read every single thing, instead of having software filters out only the small fractions of data that they're interested in?
If that's the case then I have tinfoil hats for sale.
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I work for the Government, and yes, yes we do. In fact, there are people who make a whole lot of money to comb over all the hits on Facebook pages, and Twitter reading hits that are returned on a zillion different keywords. Nothing to see here, the Government always has your best interest at heart, and values your freedom.

Yes, and I'm sure the people you work for are completely okay with employees making aware the existence of such programs publicly. That's why they get free vacations to Hong Kong right?
Let me guess, you're going to say, "wake up" next. lmfao.

Neo3D said:
crap, I hate to say this but...
way to go Apple!
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Be careful giving Apple too much credit. It's already been shown that these companies are playing a semantics game and what reads like an outright denial is probably carefully chosen legalese

How can you be sure that apple doesn't accept code from NSA or any other gov agency? Lol is it open source so that you (and everybody else) can see what's going on?
paranoid.
a manta wrote this.

Again like I say to every post about the "NSA". I don't see why people are acting so surprised, if the NSA want your information they'll get it. Whether you go against it or not, they'll get your information. Posting about it on forums isn't going to change it. Even if you DIDN'T have a smartphone, they'd still manage to get information on you. There are CCTV cameras everywhere, there is personal information stored about you at your personal bank... Hell your zip/post code tells the government where you live.
If you want anything done about it go live in the jungle. As there will always be a government observing your every move as long as you live in a world where everything is connected.

Rodya234 said:
yawn.
Do people really think the government has any interest in looking at their selfies, twitters posts, useless texts? or that people who transmit legitimately sensitive information do it by phone? Or that people actually sit and read every single thing, instead of having software filters out only the small fractions of data that they're interested in?
If that's the case then I have tinfoil hats for sale.
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Rodya234 said:
yawn.
Do people really think the government has any interest in looking at their selfies, twitters posts, useless texts? or that people who transmit legitimately sensitive information do it by phone? Or that people actually sit and read every single thing, instead of having software filters out only the small fractions of data that they're interested in?
If that's the case then I have tinfoil hats for sale.
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Well what I'm worried about is the government seeing my "iv got the weed for the party" text and knowing where I am and then coming and searching my house without a warrent. lol
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Verizon Pushing the kill update on Jan 5th

Just got an email about this. I bet the next step is to completely block the IMEI...which in that case, people will have to spoof. Unreal these people.
If this is a VOLUNTARY RECALL why are they doing this? It is not mandatory. Funny how Samsung has not emailed/called me etc about my EXPLODING washer!
https://www.verizonwireless.com/sup...f8427e&CUHID=8d5e9b0cfd5794e001cf1f9fde4c3eae

all recalls are voluntary because it would cost too much to physically take the device off people who are going to great length to keep the device, but the firms and networks still have a duty of care, this is the last stage in them washing their hands of the problem, anyone who keeps a phone after the IMEI block by changing their IMEI (Illegal in pretty much every country) they then have no come back back if the device does fail on them.
basically all you end up with is a phone that has been illegally altered and you being entirely to blame if the worst does happen. you can complain it's not a mandatory recall but both Samsung and the networks need to protect them self from the people who will fight to keep a potentially defective device then when things go wrong try to blame everyone else.

If it is voluntary they should not be pushing these crippling updates.

Belimawr said:
hands of the problem, anyone who keeps a phone after the IMEI block by changing their IMEI (Illegal in pretty much every country) they then have no come back back if the device does fail on them.
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Changing IMEI is not illegal in the US..There was a bill to make it illegal which never passed.

devoidx said:
Changing IMEI is not illegal in the US..There was a bill to make it illegal which never passed.
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So then why is changing IMEI talk banned from XDA?
I wouldn't be too sure that Verizon would block the IMEIs. After they push this update on January 5th, only an extremely small minority of Verizon users will still have the Note 7 working. That's those of us on XDA who were smart enough to disable OTAs.
Verizon may just chalk that up to devices lost forever. With 2.5 million purchases, it is nearly impossible to collect them all.
I'd be very surprised if Verizon decides to block IMEIs. But if they do, I'd like to be prepared.

What gets me the most is Verizon and Samsung both try to make us think they actually care about our safety. They are more concerned about getting the phones to use the parts for the note 8.

Spike96 said:
So then why is changing IMEI talk banned from XDA?
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Because it's banned on some other countries

Wait. The recall is mandatory, is it not?

BozQ said:
Wait. The recall is mandatory, is it not?
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no recall is ever mandatory as it would cost too much and impose to much on the legal system to take all the devices back from people who are desperate to hang onto them, but they can take steps depending on the device to make people more likely to comply.

So what is the best way to block the update in the 5th? I'm rooted and have EZ Disabler pro installed with a bunch of stuff crossed off. But I still get the annoying pop up everyday that I keep postponing for another 24hrs.

Fourstarzzzz said:
What gets me the most is Verizon and Samsung both try to make us think they actually care about our safety. They are more concerned about getting the phones to use the parts for the note 8.
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I doubt it's got anything to do with that. They just don't want the terrible publicity if one was to burn someone's house down, or kill someone or some other terrible thing. They are simply interested in covering their own arses, that's all. It's got feck all to do with caring about anyone's safety though.

Belimawr said:
no recall is ever mandatory as it would cost too much and impose to much on the legal system to take all the devices back from people who are desperate to hang onto them, but they can take steps depending on the device to make people more likely to comply.
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Mandatory vs Voluntary. One is forced by the government and one is not. This refers to the government forcing a company to recall or not. It has nothing to do with the end user or consumer.
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Belimawr said:
no recall is ever mandatory as it would cost too much and impose to much on the legal system to take all the devices back from people who are desperate to hang onto them, but they can take steps depending on the device to make people more likely to comply.
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Mandatory vs Voluntary. One is forced by the government and one is not. This refers to the government forcing a company to recall or not. It has nothing to do with the end user or consumer.
In context, The CPSC was surprised that Samsung chose the voluntary option as there are additional protections for companies that wait for the mandatory option.

Got an ominous SMS warning from at&t about tomorrow's 01/05/2017 Death Star Nerf Beam for the Note 7!
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Tangopro said:
Got an ominous SMS warning from at&t about tomorrow's 01/05/2017 Death Star Nerf Beam for the Note 7!
So brace yourselves SM-N930A holdouts. Oh, and make sure to have those Jimmy hats (Firewall, PDP, etc.) on extra tight. Its gonna be a bumpy ride...
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Yep I got the same message today. I hope my package disabler works!

I think you all be alright in US. Firewall, PDP should handle it. I wish I was in your shoes, lol. IMEI block is not fun.

whoofit said:
Mandatory vs Voluntary. One is forced by the government and one is not. This refers to the government forcing a company to recall or not. It has nothing to do with the end user or consumer.
In context, The CPSC was surprised that Samsung chose the voluntary option as there are additional protections for companies that wait for the mandatory option.
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I don't agree with this.
In the most simple terms, mandatory is something you must do and voluntary is something you can choose to do. So the question is, what would make any act, something that you must do?
Well yes, the government could step in and with the appropriate legal framework, make something mandatory. (The necessary laws would need to be in place however. Governments in sensible democracies cannot simply decide to tell people what to do, outside the law.)
But government enforcement is not a necessary precondition for something to be mandatory. If you buy a car on a load agreement and you fail to make the loan payments, the loan company can ask for the car back and will be mandatory that you return it under the terms of the contract. You cannot say, "no I decide not to pay you and I will keep the car". Handing back the car is mandatory.
Similarly, Samsung could have - had it wished to - put terms into its licensing agreements that gave it the rights to mandatory recall in certain circumstances. I am presuming (although I have not read the agreements) that no such provision exists. If so, that was Samsung's choice. If such provision is in the licensing and Samsung are not using that provision to enforce the recall, that is also Samsung's choice.
Either way, it is/was Samsung's choice whether this should be a mandatory recall or not and either directly or through their actions, they have chosen "voluntary".
Since this is the case, it is entirely reasonable for any N7 owner also to choose to keep their phone.

Chippy_boy said:
I don't agree with this.
In the most simple terms, mandatory is something you must do and voluntary is something you can choose to do. So the question is, what would make any act, something that you must do?
Well yes, the government could step in and with the appropriate legal framework, make something mandatory. (The necessary laws would need to be in place however. Governments in sensible democracies cannot simply decide to tell people what to do, outside the law.)
But government enforcement is not a necessary precondition for something to be mandatory. If you buy a car on a load agreement and you fail to make the loan payments, the loan company can ask for the car back and will be mandatory that you return it under the terms of the contract. You cannot say, "no I decide not to pay you and I will keep the car". Handing back the car is mandatory.
Similarly, Samsung could have - had it wished to - put terms into its licensing agreements that gave it the rights to mandatory recall in certain circumstances. I am presuming (although I have not read the agreements) that no such provision exists. If so, that was Samsung's choice. If such provision is in the licensing and Samsung are not using that provision to enforce the recall, that is also Samsung's choice.
Either way, it is/was Samsung's choice whether this should be a mandatory recall or not and either directly or through their actions, they have chosen "voluntary".
Since this is the case, it is entirely reasonable for any N7 owner also to choose to keep their phone.
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Chippy,
The label Mandatory vs Voluntary has ZERO to do with the action taken by or remedy given to the end user. It applies to the government either requiring, or not, the company to recall a product.
Easy Peazy.
Sammy took the voluntary route before the government REQUIRED them to do so. A preemptive and voluntary recall before they were forced to do it by government mandate.
Truth out.

whoofit said:
Chippy,
The label Mandatory vs Voluntary has ZERO to do with the action taken by or remedy given to the end user. It applies to the government either requiring, or not, the company to recall a product.
Easy Peazy.
Sammy took the voluntary route before the government REQUIRED them to do so. A preemptive and voluntary recall before they were forced to do it by government mandate.
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I am sorry, you are simply mistaken.
A government - backed with the appropriate law - could make something mandatory if they wished. But it does not need to be a government that makes something mandatory.
May I suggest you look up the word "mandatory" in the dictionary. It also means "compulsory". Things can be compulsory even if the government is not involved. As I said (but you seemed to ignore), a contract can require the mandatory return of goods in the event of non-payment, for example.

Chippy_boy said:
I am sorry, you are simply mistaken.
A government - backed with the appropriate law - could make something mandatory if they wished. But it does not need to be a government that makes something mandatory.
May I suggest you look up the word "mandatory" in the dictionary. It also means "compulsory". Things can be compulsory even if the government is not involved. As I said (but you seemed to ignore), a contract can require the mandatory return of goods in the event of non-payment, for example.
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Chippy,
I am well aware of the definition of mandatory. You have just confused the context of how the label is applied. Easy to do.
Whether a recall is mandatory or voluntary means little. It is still a recall and the process is the same. End users are notified and are allowed the same remedies no matter the label. The government did not have to do a study in the matter because Sammy pulled the plug voluntarily. See the difference?
Now, every nation in the world did not have to do a study and condemn or accept the product because Sammy did this themselves.
When the government body FORCES the company to recall it is a Mandatory one. When the government body needed not to do so it is Voluntary.
Not every company agrees that their product is dangerous in some way. Those are the products that go for review before the government body to be inspected. IF found to be dangerous they are slapped with a MANDATORY RECALL..... where the company has no say in the matter.
IF the company pulls the plug and recalls themselves the government study is moot. Not required, Never happens. Finito.
I have explained this to the best of my ability. I hope you get the point.

Stop complaining about the difference between a mandatory and voluntary recall.
It's meaningless.
Fact is, Samsung is taking extreme measures to get back its phones. They will be defended in their actions because most people believe the Note 7 is a danger.
Just focus on how to stay a step ahead of Samsung.