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3G or not 3G

Hi there,
as you can see in the screenshot. I am not sure if I am connected with 3G or not. Acctually it looks like I am not. I think the small G should be a smal 3G, correct?
I had this problem with different rom and radio versions since I installed windows mobile 6.
Berfore I had WM5 with no problem.
How can I be sure if it is GPRS or 3G?
Cheers,
Christoph

Yep - you are connected with 3G. The little "G" icon is a little misleading, it just means you are connected - the icon to the left will indicate what sort of connection you have.
Cheers,
Steve.

There is already a solution for this if you are using WM6 ROM. 3G Icon: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293375

Thanks! Perfect!
I wonder why I did not find this by myself.
Thanks for the quick help!
Great Forum here!
Cheers!

cktlcmd said:
There is already a solution for this if you are using WM6 ROM. 3G Icon: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293375
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I find this solution isn't that great to be honest. Although it does work in itself, it tends to break all the other icons that you get on the top bar.
Cheers,
Steve.

lol... on this topic, I was having problems with 3g... was up in London testing the video call beta pack and couldn't get any 3g signal...
turns out O2 supplied me with a non 3g chip!!!! How bloody useless are they!!! lol

SpyderTracks said:
lol... on this topic, I was having problems with 3g... was up in London testing the video call beta pack and couldn't get any 3g signal...
turns out O2 supplied me with a non 3g chip!!!! How bloody useless are they!!! lol
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Lol. and I was wondering what happened to your video call test.

StevePritchard said:
I find this solution isn't that great to be honest. Although it does work in itself, it tends to break all the other icons that you get on the top bar.
Cheers,
Steve.
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Hi Steve,
I don't have the problem you described. Are you referring to the icon like a mail icon, appearing during an email or text message, as an example? If yes, then it still appears on mine.
I personally think too, that there are too many notifications already showing. For example, I get a text message, I get the email icon on the top bar, I get the bubble stating I have this # of text or email, and another notification on the left soft key. To me, having 3 notifications for one event is not good. First of all, it eats up memory. We all know, memory use is not one of the strong points in the Universal. Second, to negate all those notifications for one event, we choose which one to tap, and that is right, but who needs 3 notifications for one event in reality?
Sorry, for ranting on Microsoft...
Regards,

Issues with connections after installing Pro Black 2.0 on 8525

Hello all, I am completely new to this so please be patient.
Yes, I did indeed use the search feature on the site plus Google to try and solve this issue prior to creating this thread. Unfortunately I cannot find a solution after a couple hours of scouring.
Here is the situation:
I have TWO cingular 8525's, I've had both since April 5th and they have both worked flawlessly. I decided to upgrade one today, following MrVanx's tutorials on upgrading. The upgrades/flashing/etc.. went flawlessly without issue. The phone seems to work fine except for one issue that is really bugging me.
It is stuck with the EDGE's E as the connection, adn wont attatch to G (GRPS, 3G). I double checked with my other phone to ensure that G was available and indeed it was. After some reading I found out that by default Black 2.0 came with GPRS disabled via HTweakC. I went in and enabled it, but still the E held and G was nowhere to be found.
After a couple of soft resets I saw that initially the G appears but then disapears within a second of booting in and is replaced with the E.
So then I tried messing with the Band tab, initially it wouldnt let me change anything.. After some detective work I discovered it was because of HTweakC.. I disabled HTweakC's ability to enable GPRS and that enabled me to change the band..
I got it to be where it at least tries to connect to 3g/GPRS instead of EDGE but it just sits there.. not connecting.
Any idea? I'm pretty close to just restoring factory defaults

cricex said:
I got it to be where it at least tries to connect to 3g/GPRS instead of EDGE but it just sits there.. not connecting.
Any idea? I'm pretty close to just restoring factory defaults
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Deciding between E/G/U/3G, etc is actually the radio ROM's job. The OS just gets that info from the radio for displaying it.
Are you running the same radio rom on both phones? The Black installer won't update the radio -- only the OS/ExtROM.
If you go into Settings -> System -> Device Information, look for the "Radio version" number. See if those match. If they don't -- that's your problem. If they do, well, something else is going on.
Have you tried a normal Hard Reset on the troublesome phone yet?

Actually I upgraded the Radio on the one that I installed black on.. to 1.38.00.10..

jmat said:
Have you tried a normal Hard Reset on the troublesome phone yet?
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Switch the device off. Press and hold the Left SOFT KEY and Right SOFT KEY, and at the same time, use the stylus to press the RESET button at the bottom of your device. You will be presented with a menu saying 'press R to reset, X to exit'. If you press R, your device will be set back to factory default settings.
Hard Reset will delete all data you have put on the device: Programs, Settings, Mail, SMS, MMS, etc., so be careful and make a backup before doing this.
After a hard reset, you will have a complete clean new install of Windows Mobile on your device.
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I do that and it just takes me to the bootloader also, wont that just reset to factory defaults anyway?
edit: nevermind, i was pressing the wrong 'softkeys' but it still says it'll restore to factory defaults which i dont really want to do just yet..

change radio to 1.34 or the new 1.40 see if that helps.

CUSTEL said:
change radio to 1.34 or the new 1.40 see if that helps.
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trying 1.40 now.. thanks

same thing is happening with 1.40.. im gonna try the latest official cingular whatever.. and if that doesnt work then just restore my factory defaults

ahhh damn, hard reset and restore to factory defaults doesnt actually restore to factory defaults.. son of a b*tch.

cricex said:
Hello all, I am completely new to this so please be patient.
Yes, I did indeed use the search feature on the site plus Google to try and solve this issue prior to creating this thread. Unfortunately I cannot find a solution after a couple hours of scouring.
Here is the situation:
I have TWO cingular 8525's, I've had both since April 5th and they have both worked flawlessly. I decided to upgrade one today, following MrVanx's tutorials on upgrading. The upgrades/flashing/etc.. went flawlessly without issue. The phone seems to work fine except for one issue that is really bugging me.
It is stuck with the EDGE's E as the connection, adn wont attatch to G (GRPS, 3G). I double checked with my other phone to ensure that G was available and indeed it was. After some reading I found out that by default Black 2.0 came with GPRS disabled via HTweakC. I went in and enabled it, but still the E held and G was nowhere to be found.
After a couple of soft resets I saw that initially the G appears but then disapears within a second of booting in and is replaced with the E.
So then I tried messing with the Band tab, initially it wouldnt let me change anything.. After some detective work I discovered it was because of HTweakC.. I disabled HTweakC's ability to enable GPRS and that enabled me to change the band..
I got it to be where it at least tries to connect to 3g/GPRS instead of EDGE but it just sits there.. not connecting.
Any idea? I'm pretty close to just restoring factory defaults
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The E indicates Edge and is what SHOULD be displayed if your network offers Edge (Enhanced GPRS) services over GSM. Your earlier OS probably didn't have the capability to show E and simply indicated GRPS.
However, if your network is 3G and you're not connecting on 3G, then maybe you should check in Phone / Options / Bands to make sure you have it set to Auto, so that it knows to access the 3G network.
I think you are seeing "normal" operation. I am on Black 2 OS with the 1.40 Radio and all working fine.

cricex said:
Hello all, I am completely new to this so please be patient.
Yes, I did indeed use the search feature on the site plus Google to try and solve this issue prior to creating this thread. Unfortunately I cannot find a solution after a couple hours of scouring.
Here is the situation:
I have TWO cingular 8525's, I've had both since April 5th and they have both worked flawlessly. I decided to upgrade one today, following MrVanx's tutorials on upgrading. The upgrades/flashing/etc.. went flawlessly without issue. The phone seems to work fine except for one issue that is really bugging me.
It is stuck with the EDGE's E as the connection, adn wont attatch to G (GRPS, 3G). I double checked with my other phone to ensure that G was available and indeed it was. After some reading I found out that by default Black 2.0 came with GPRS disabled via HTweakC. I went in and enabled it, but still the E held and G was nowhere to be found.
After a couple of soft resets I saw that initially the G appears but then disapears within a second of booting in and is replaced with the E.
So then I tried messing with the Band tab, initially it wouldnt let me change anything.. After some detective work I discovered it was because of HTweakC.. I disabled HTweakC's ability to enable GPRS and that enabled me to change the band..
I got it to be where it at least tries to connect to 3g/GPRS instead of EDGE but it just sits there.. not connecting.
Any idea? I'm pretty close to just restoring factory defaults
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EDGE's E as the connection, adn wont attatch to G (GRPS, 3G).
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Hi,
I guess i may not understand your question but this is what i know:
factory WM5 ROM shows G or U, G for GPRS up to class 10 and EDGE and U for HSDPA if available.
Since this icon set is obviously wrong, this issue was fixed on WM6 (there is also a CAB for WM5).
All i am trying to say is your phone is now working properly and showing E for EDGE that by the way is better than GPRS.
Double check that 3G is available in your area, your old WM5 phone must show U (UMTS)
on the WM6 phone, the icon should be 3G and H when data is in use.
Sorry if i got it wrong but you don't say with icon is showing in 3G state.
As someone said before, the OS is not responsible for this but the radio. Please be sure 3G is available in your area.
a speed check will clarify this,
GPRS around 64KB/s
EDGE around 256KB/s
HSDPA 1.8MB/s usually around 800KB/s

I just flashed my 8525 to black 2.0 yesterday and had been using radio 1.38 for a while before that. Where I live is on the edge of a 3G area. I get GPRS and EDGE at home. With previous tweaks I used to get G around the house showing on the screen, but it was really Edge only the phone couldn't show it.
Black seems to be able to show G, E and 3G labels as directed by the radio.
Now with Black 2.0 I'm seeing G briefly, then it cycles to E which is correct in my area. I drove into the 3G area and the phone correctly switched to display 3G. I'm pretty sure that you are OK and are just getting edge where you are. Since G and E don't cause the higher battery use like 3G does, you should be good to go.

Ooooh I see.. So the G i was receiving before (while in wm5) was actually EDGE and if I saw a U before it would be 3G?
and now i'll be seeing E for EDGE and 3G for 3G, etc?

cricex said:
Ooooh I see.. So the G i was receiving before (while in wm5) was actually EDGE and if I saw a U before it would be 3G?
and now i'll be seeing E for EDGE and 3G for 3G, etc?
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yup. also the 3G icon will change to H (HSDPA)=3G when data is in use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA

alright thank you very much, I appreciate the help!

Get rid of operator "Get More..." on T-Mobile USA

I'm running the new "HTC_WWE_1.33.422.1_4.1.13.51_03.07.90_Ship" and my operator comes up as "Get More..." Which is pretty lame. Anyone figured out a way to change this? My digging through the registry turned up nil.
Help?

Chances are, no. It's a feature of the SIM card to be able to hold custom names that the operator wants to display. It's called EONS (Enhanced Operator Name Service, I believe). There's no way that I know of to tell WM to ignore it.

Well shoot, now i'm stumped. On the t-mob ship roms it came up fine. The HTC rom says Get More..., strange. I also have a t-mob wing (herald) and the touch-it rom said the same thing (Get More...).
This seems to be something common with roms designed for markets other than north america. Thanx for the input.

theformula said:
Well shoot, now i'm stumped. On the t-mob ship roms it came up fine. The HTC rom says Get More..., strange. I also have a t-mob wing (herald) and the touch-it rom said the same thing (Get More...).
This seems to be something common with roms designed for markets other than north america. Thanx for the input.
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I know how. Let me look for the instructions. It works fine on my dash. just give me a few.
edit: here you go.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1079716&highlight=network
good luck. Worked for me. Might have to play around with it to get it to work. You don't have to reboot the whole phone to show the new network name. just go into the communications manager and hit 1 (or turn off phone) then re-enable it)

It works but switches back whenever u soft reset. I don't see the big deal to be honest.

.PoNeH said:
It works but switches back whenever u soft reset. I don't see the big deal to be honest.
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Not a big deal, but an annoyance Thanks for trying guys.

.PoNeH said:
It works but switches back whenever u soft reset. I don't see the big deal to be honest.
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not a big deal because it is not happening with you.
i was wondering if we can somehow edit the operator's name into something else. like.. "blah is blah"

Click the link in the 4th post. It explains how to change the operators name.

quiksand said:
Click the link in the 4th post. It explains how to change the operators name.
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Check the 5th post because it reverts right back after a soft reset

excruciatingly slow internet

I recently updated my rom to Miri's WM6.5 21869, from my default WM 6, and, the internet is just horrible. Youtube, takes as long as dialup to load, searching for images, it takes a good 30 seconds to a minute to load a page of results, and it's just all bull. On my default rom i would have 4 minute youtube vids downloaded in 30 seconds, image results in 3-5 seconds.
Any idea what i can do to help this? I want to keep wm6.5, not necessarily miri's wm6.5 so if you know of another ROM that is gprs/3g speedy then by all means point me in the right direction.
Im with optus prepaid, and my orginal rom was an unlocked telstra one.
Also I've heard that a newer radio version makes a difference, although i have not been able to navigate my way to an upgrade link. current version is 1.14......
A correct solution will receive a donation, for enough to buy a 6 pack of beer (if you use paypal)
Cheers.

individual said:
I recently updated my rom to Miri's WM6.5 21869, from my default WM 6, and, the internet is just horrible. Youtube, takes as long as dialup to load, searching for images, it takes a good 30 seconds to a minute to load a page of results, and it's just all bull. On my default rom i would have 4 minute youtube vids downloaded in 30 seconds, image results in 3-5 seconds.
Any idea what i can do to help this? I want to keep wm6.5, not necessarily miri's wm6.5 so if you know of another ROM that is gprs/3g speedy then by all means point me in the right direction.
Im with optus prepaid, and my orginal rom was an unlocked telstra one.
Also I've heard that a newer radio version makes a difference, although i have not been able to navigate my way to an upgrade link. current version is 1.14......
A correct solution will receive a donation, for enough to buy a 6 pack of beer (if you use paypal)
Cheers.
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Did you check if the phone might be set to only use GPRS for data services? Head to the settings tab, hit "Communications" and see if there is an option called "3G"! It has to be set to "auto" mode! If it's set to GSM, it will only use GPRS which is slooooooooooow.
And if that is in fact the solution, don't donate the money to me but to xda-developers!

Still no luck I didn't have an auto mode but i switched it to ON haha, but unfortunately it didn't seem to make a difference in download speed

individual said:
Still no luck I didn't have an auto mode but i switched it to ON haha, but unfortunately it didn't seem to make a difference in download speed
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Strange! What kind of connection do you have? What symbol is shown on the top taskbar for the data connection? An E, an H, an G? Something else?

individual said:
Still no luck I didn't have an auto mode but i switched it to ON haha, but unfortunately it didn't seem to make a difference in download speed
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did you reboot the phone after switching?
Sometimes helps for me.

I've rebooted several times and re-installed the rom and still no luck On the standard rom i purchased it with it had an H symbol in the connection icon, now it's a G. Maybe optus just sucks?

individual said:
I've rebooted several times and re-installed the rom and still no luck On the standard rom i purchased it with it had an H symbol in the connection icon, now it's a G. Maybe optus just sucks?
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With a G it's no wonder it's so slow... It's like a 56K modem!!!
When you set up the new ROM, did it recognize the carrier and run through the carrier specific configuration thingie after flashing?
Maybe there is something misconfigured so it won't use HSDPA even if it's available... Could you go to Settings -> Connections -> Connections and tell me what kind of connections are listed there?
Also, check the following: Settings -> Connections -> Advanced Network
In the drop down list, what does it say? It shouldn't be set to "Disable"!

Whatsapp On Android Port?

Firstly I just want to say thank you to all the developers who are working hard on bringing us Android on our Touch Pro 2.
Basically I want to be able to use Android for the sole purpose of accessing "whatsapp," but whenever I go into the app and click on "accept" the user terms, it says it requires a mobile data network to access whatapp? I've tried this with wifi and 3g seperately and also with both of them combined. Have also tried a few different Android ports for the Rhodium and I get the same problem.
The strange thing is though is that this app worked with a kaiser port I was using before on my old phone.
Does anyone know of a solution? Thank you

Okay this is probably because I cant seem to get a 3g signal and only a gprs one. So instead, does anyone know a way to get 3g to work?

3G
3G works seems to work fine on just about every other rhodium out there. So it's probably something specific to your phone. What's your rhodium model#? What carrier's 3G are you trying to use it with? What android build are you using? What's the date of that build? And have you updated any of its components (kernel, rootfs, system.ext2, etc...) since?

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3G works seems to work fine on just about every other rhodium out there. So it's probably something specific to your phone. What's your rhodium model#? What carrier's 3G are you trying to use it with? What android build are you using? What's the date of that build? And have you updated any of its components (kernel, rootfs, system.ext2, etc...) since?
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Thanks for your response. I'm unsure how to check what model this is but it is an unbranded UK Touch Pro 2 and I'm using it on the Vodafone UK network. On the Android startup screen I select the "Rhod100_uk." So I'm hoping this is the correct one for my model.
The Radio is 4.49.25.91 and I'm currently running Jackos latest SkrobPRO rom.
The Android build is the: ProjectAndroid2.2Froyo (11.22.10) and I havn't updated any of its components to my knowledge. I've also tried several other builds and seem to have the same problem, but my 3G connection is fine in WinMo.
Any suggestions on what I should do?
Much appreciated

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Thanks for your response. I'm unsure how to check what model this is but it is an unbranded UK Touch Pro 2 and I'm using it on the Vodafone UK network. On the Android startup screen I select the "Rhod100_uk." So I'm hoping this is the correct one for my model.
The Radio is 4.49.25.91 and I'm currently running Jackos latest SkrobPRO rom.
The Android build is the: ProjectAndroid2.2Froyo (11.22.10) and I havn't updated any of its components to my knowledge. I've also tried several other builds and seem to have the same problem, but my 3G connection is fine in WinMo.
Any suggestions on what I should do?
Much appreciated
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Your Rhodium model # can be found by popping off the battery cover, removing the battery and looking at what's written underneath.
I'd recommend that you update to the latest kernel, system.ext2 and rootfs. In particular, kernels built between 10/23 and 11/23 were known to have problems on Rhodium 100's which I suspect you may have.

fade2black101 said:
Thanks for your response. I'm unsure how to check what model this is but it is an unbranded UK Touch Pro 2 and I'm using it on the Vodafone UK network. On the Android startup screen I select the "Rhod100_uk." So I'm hoping this is the correct one for my model.
The Radio is 4.49.25.91 and I'm currently running Jackos latest SkrobPRO rom.
The Android build is the: ProjectAndroid2.2Froyo (11.22.10) and I havn't updated any of its components to my knowledge. I've also tried several other builds and seem to have the same problem, but my 3G connection is fine in WinMo.
Any suggestions on what I should do?
Much appreciated
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Did you check all the settings (I mean APN and maybe user pass) for Voda UK, both in WinMo and in Android?
For example, default APN for my carrier is correct for consumer, not for business. Have to set it manually.

sad0felix said:
Did you check all the settings (I mean APN and maybe user pass) for Voda UK, both in WinMo and in Android?
For example, default APN for my carrier is correct for consumer, not for business. Have to set it manually.
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This is good advice. It's possible that there may be an issue with the default APN setting. fade1black101, you may also want to talk to snalbansed and ask him if he's experienced a similar problem. He's using a rhod100 UK with Voda too. Things seem to be working for him.

I'm usually not the paranoid type, but I wouldn't want all of my text messages going thru some shady third party...
What's the advantage of using this app? Sorry, just curious.
Ah, I see. More for smartphone-to-smartphone messaging if you don't have a txt plan. Move along, nothing to see here

Lol thanks for all the replies.. Hopefully it'll help someone else with a similar problem. However, the solution was far more simple than I expected. Basically all I did was download an app from the Android market called "Any Cut"... From there you make a "New Shortcut" using "Activity." Then you select phone info and scroll down to the drop down list towards the bottom and select "WCDMA only".
This worked for me and forced a 3G connection, and I was then able to access whatsapp!