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WM6 doesn't release memory

HI Guys,
I have got a problem, after using offical WM6 ROM. I found out that it doesn't release memory.
Everytime after I reset, program memory is about 28M, but after couple mins or hours using. It will down to 16-22M(but I have checked that there is nothing running on background), and the remain memory will never be back!
I have only a few programs installed. (Isilo, resco explorer, resco viewer, resco plug-in, some games on card and kasier home today plug-in)
I really have no idea and I can feel that it slows down my X01HT...sigh....so I have to reset it again and again. It really annoying me a lot!
Thanks a lot guys!

kinghung said:
HI Guys,
I have got a problem, after using offical WM6 ROM. I found out that it doesn't release memory.
Everytime after I reset, program memory is about 28M, but after couple mins or hours using. It will down to 16-22M(but I have checked that there is nothing running on background), and the remain memory will never be back!
I have only a few programs installed. (Isilo, resco explorer, resco viewer, resco plug-in, some games on card and kasier home today plug-in)
I really have no idea and I can feel that it slows down my X01HT...sigh....so I have to reset it again and again. It really annoying me a lot!
Thanks a lot guys!
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I had the same problem (before recently switching to a cooked ROM based on official). I used FreeUpRam program like every 10 minutes. Sucked! Use one of the cooked ROMs and it will fix it for you - Black, vp3g, sleuth (sorry if I missed any).

todd_jg said:
I had the same problem (before recently switching to a cooked ROM based on official). I used FreeUpRam program like every 10 minutes. Sucked! Use one of the cooked ROMs and it will fix it for you - Black, vp3g, sleuth (sorry if I missed any).
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Thanks very much!
That's very annoying.
I have been using Palm (actually is CLIE TH55) for PDA and X01HT for phone and mobile internet.
Palm OS is much better

Oxios Hibernate and Oxios CloseApps
I use Oxios Hibernate and Oxios CloseApps with great results on my Wizard. Don't know if it works with the Hermes though. It's worth a try.

Strange !! flashing the Schap's WM6 Pro 3.60a ROMs memory less than actual

I flashed the Schap's WM6 Pro 3.60a ROMs many times but I have the Memory indicating less than the one in screen shot of the ROM
I make hard rest many times , NO WAY
see picture attached that compare the real memory of the ROM as shown in screen shot of Schap's WM6 Pro 3.60a ROMs
and my HERMES memory directlly after flashing the ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=48580&stc=1&d=1188406997
I did not installed ANY app.
what to do ?

What's wrong with posting in the thread for Schaps rom 3.60....

Sorry for that
But can anybody explain why i have lower Memory than the original in screen shoots
again I did not install any.. just flashing the ROM and I have lower memory
thanx

You sure you did not add anything on startup? or you have a clean EXT ROM?

DaVince said:
You sure you did not add anything on startup? or you have a clean EXT ROM?
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Yes Sure Bcus I try flashing the ROM 3 times and make hard rest 2 times still
the Memo less

i used X01HT & Schap's WM6 pro 3.60a....and be the same with you...
Big Storgare only: 51.96 MBs...
Maybe X01HT only have 51.96 MBs...cannot bigstorgare anymore
(i'm VietNamese...Sorry for my English)

I have similar memory issues and have posted something in the Schaps 3.60a thread, but, errrr, cant find my post now lol...

Starfury said:
I have similar memory issues and have posted something in the Schaps 3.60a thread, but, errrr, cant find my post now lol...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1458772#post1458772

You think not truly
Even the memory is shown as less but it runs faster than any other ROMs.Try to use it in progress, some applications, they work great and faster. Furthermore, Schap is a great moderator.

winforall_xda-developers said:
Even the memory is shown as less but it runs faster than any other ROMs.Try to use it in progress, some applications, they work great and faster. Furthermore, Schap is a great moderator.
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Yeh the ROM is great and I cant remember any points where I had any problems with slowdown. I check the active apps list and close stuff I am not using regularly anyway.
Waiting eagerly for his next release and a new radio rom to fix the 1.51 problems (edit: yes I know Schaps has nothing to do with the Radio rom).
OT a sec but you think Orange will nerf Windows Live out of their version of the Tytn II?

It looks many people have this problem ,
what is your idea Schaps about this issue

Solution is simple
Guys,
In order to get the memory figures fromt the Schaps 3.60a post, you need to install the LITE version and NOT THE FULL one. Then you will get what you expect
Now for some reason I was not happy with the LITE one because it reported something like 28 MB for programs even after taking the Home weather Plugin off the today screen.
So what I did was I used the full version, dumped the rom, took out some stuff and put others in, repackaged the rom and flashed.
I got what I wanted and my program storage is up to 30MB after a soft reset and no htc home plugin in the today screen.

You can use Dinarsoft's Memaid 2 . It has 4 setups in one of its tabs you can choose of.
Memory,Extreme Memory,Speed, Extreme Speed. It changes font cashe,file system cashe values and other stuffs.
With Extreme Memory you can have these or similar values but with Extreme Speed you get a more reactive device.
Choose by your needs

Manilla2d trinity resources hog?

Hi, everyone on the forum, I was wondering if you were having trouble making manilly2d work smoothly on your trinities. My trinity becomes relatively sluggish and free memory drops pretty soon. When trying to use gps software it locks, freezes etc. Same with Opera browser.
How are your Trinities handling great looking manilla2d?

Use one of the ROMs with Manila2D cooked into. Its far better than installing it afterwards.

chalid said:
Use one of the ROMs with Manila2D cooked into. Its far better than installing it afterwards.
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I Confirm!!!!

I was wondering if we could get Manilla running faster converting Manila2D.exe (1MB) or its dlls into module...

mosec said:
Hi, everyone on the forum, I was wondering if you were having trouble making manilly2d work smoothly on your trinities. My trinity becomes relatively sluggish and free memory drops pretty soon. When trying to use gps software it locks, freezes etc. Same with Opera browser.
How are your Trinities handling great looking manilla2d?
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ROMS with Manila cooked in work only slightly slower, not enough to bother me at all. I think it all depends on what 3rd party software you then install on top.
The trick is either finding a Manila ROM which more or less everything you need it already (like Ervius's ROMS) or naked ROMS which have only the minimum (like Chalid's ROMS).
Also, I recommend using Mpenguin14's "M2DC (Manilla 2D Customizer)" to get rid of the Manila tabs at that the bottom that you don't really need. This reduces memory consumption and therefore improves performance. Some cooks are putting it into their ROMS, but there is a cab you can download too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427392
Mattster.

Thanks for all the advice I allready noticed beter performance with album and audio player tab turned off but nevertheless it seems slower.

mosec said:
Thanks for all the advice I allready noticed beter performance with album and audio player tab turned off but nevertheless it seems slower.
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I gave up on manilla and htc home. The clock can be replaced by PDC, weather by spb weather(there's probably a lighter solution though), app launcher by the start menu(people usually don't use a wide variety of apps, start menu can list the latest which will do just fine), sms/mms/calendar/tasks by the respective native plugins.
All the other apps are cute but useless, like, you already have a speed dial on the phone app, as for media just launch the respective apps.

manilla on trinity
Hi, I am happily running chalid's rom with Manilla2d - meaning that it runs correctly but can become quite slow (for example, A2DP skips if i keep wifi or other programs in the background). The problem, in my opinion, is not Manilla but...our trinity. The low amount of RAM makes any program which is consuming memory running slowly and/or lacking responsiveness. Try Igo8, for example, and plan a long route...this is true beyond manilla, and the less memory you have free, the more sluggish it becomes...
I came to the empirical conclusion that TNYYNT Roms are faster simply since he is keeping memory consumption/allocation low, and this is why Chalid's 0.8 is faster than any other manilla2d i've tried. For example, i was not able to run tomtom efficiently on ervius' rom - but it ALMOST works correctly with chalid's (which is based on TNYYNT as you know).
My conclusion: upgrade to touch HD ! it is the obvious way to improve the trinity: better screen, better CPU, better RAM....

lately i been using PDAviet ROM .44 and the manila user interface is relly fast and pleasant to use - the only think that I'm craving for is more RAM in the device
All is well if one application is running but have a few open and the sistem will complain
One thing that I see with this ROM is that if you start a memory intensive application - like opera 9 or your tube or tom tom it will close the ManilaUI temporarly and restart it automatically when you close the application so everything runs fast - but only one thing at the time

pzucchel said:
Chalid's 0.8 is faster than any other manilla2d i've tried. For example, i was not able to run tomtom efficiently on ervius' rom - but it ALMOST works correctly with chalid's (which is based on TNYYNT as you know).
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Hi Pzucchel.
Thanks for your advice the other day on sd cards.
I have a new Kingston 4GB Micro SD (SDHC) Card coming tomorrow and going to reinstall Tomtom 6 onto it. Then I have to pick a ROM! I love the Manila 2D interface, have tried practically all of the current ROMS, but I can't have Tomtom letting me down.
When you say Tomtom ALMOST works on Chalid's, what happened? Did it come out of the program half way through a journey?
And on Ervius' Rom... were you not even able to start Tomtom?
Mattster.

I switched back to a non manilla2d rom and my trinity is flying again! Windows are opening fast and overall performance is better, igo 8 works without crashing. Manilla looks great but I'm gonna hold back for now! Bye all

64M Ram a problem, but here is a work around
pzucchel has raised the main issue- it's not the code, the ROM the M2D or iGO8. Our Trinity is only 64M RAM, and with operating system, if we have 25-27M free RAM we are lucky. Running M2D will normally eat up 10M or so more. With careful memory management it will not slow down our phone. however it will not allow to have M2D as a today plug-in and run iGO8...
Having M2D in the cooked ROM helps a bit as far as speed (not significant) but will not help in memory management. So that was the *****ing part of the post. now let's have a work around. It is not a solution- yet it will allow us to enjoy M2D and iGO8 without getting crazy, and without a need to reset the phone 7 times a day...
1. Install a naked ROM. Look for ones that allow 25M free RAM after installation. There are few of them. If they are naked+M2D and leave 20M free, it is good enough. Having M2D in the ROM means no M2D updates possible. Having M2D installed manually means lots of work and a bit slower performance- each one knows what's best for himself.
2. install SKTOOLS 4.4.1 (Buy it! it worth the investment). Optimize to maximum memory. Our good old trinity works fast enough even with this setup. Also- turn shadow services on to free RAM. Don't mess up with anything else there. We are after more free RAM ONLY !
3. Install mToday. It's a small nifty free tool, that allows the user to switch easy between today plug-ins. Set M2D on one screen, and iGO8 on the 2nd one. Assign a key for mToday so by a push of a button you can switch M2D off and get iGO8 plug in on... For the lazy ones I am attaching it.
4. Make sure the following lines are in your sys.txt in the IGO8 folder. I mean the one in main memory under program files, not the SD folder, although for recovery purposes, make them both identical:
[debug]
cache=2048
reserve_memory=1500000
[navigation]
sim_speed_factor=3
True- it still will not allow using TTS , but that is kind of pushing the limits of the phone. I could use TTS if I turn the phone off, kill 3G and GPRS, push no mail, etc. but after all if I wanted a GPS device only, I could have bought one..
5. For TomTom users- same thing - kill M2D using mToday and keep running it. I did not try TT7 but TT6 was very much an easy run on the trinity, before I moved to iGO8.
Special thanks to the cookers, current and the ones who left this forum, for their dedication, time spent for this community, and insight. I am merely a tester, and I hope this post will make some other trinity users happy campers.
Cheers
BigE

I had no problems running the WWE evirus rom with M2D and Tomtom7

Mattster_spv said:
Hi Pzucchel.
Thanks for your advice the other day on sd cards.
I have a new Kingston 4GB Micro SD (SDHC) Card coming tomorrow and going to reinstall Tomtom 6 onto it. Then I have to pick a ROM! I love the Manila 2D interface, have tried practically all of the current ROMS, but I can't have Tomtom letting me down.
When you say Tomtom ALMOST works on Chalid's, what happened? Did it come out of the program half way through a journey?
And on Ervius' Rom... were you not even able to start Tomtom?
Mattster.
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I have no problem running tomtom7 and igo8 with chalid's 0.8rom.
but before i run igo, i have to close all running apps first.
like bigE mentioned, invest in SKTools. It's a great utility. I have its "free ram" apps as one of my shortcut. i always run it bfore i run any gps apps.

iGO8 and M2D- is it really running together?
rockuman_ex,
Yes, iGO may seem to work with while M2D is on, but, is it really? Here are some observations:
1. Choose to calculate a 1,000 mile away destination when they both are on - even with SKTOOLS I am running out of memory for iGO.
2. Have them both run, and try answering a call at the same time. Even with 1.5M reserved for 'non iGO' use in the sys.txt - most likely phone will freeze.
I have no experience with TT7. I have abandoned TT for iGO because I am travelling to destinations I could not have maps for TT in the TT6 era. I have got spolied by iGO and can't go back to TT, although I have to admit TT is making more sense for the trinity. But like all of us- I want it all...
I regretfully think that in the near future I will go with another HTC phone, waiting for AT&T to offer the HD here in the US. I have spent around $700 for the trini about 18 months ago, no realizing 64M will kill me so quick. Oh well- that is what we call experience, learning from mistakes...

BigE said:
rockuman_ex,
I regretfully think that in the near future I will go with another HTC phone, waiting for AT&T to offer the HD here in the US. I have spent around $700 for the trini about 18 months ago, no realizing 64M will kill me so quick....
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I'd say these days, 18 months with one phone is pretty good

running FPSece on hermes

Just wondering... has anyone managed to get FPSce running on their Hermes successfully in wm6? I tried it on mine, it starts up but it ends up in the ps cdplayer/memory card menu, just like when you didn't have a cd in the ps in the old days.
i tried both uncompressed image, and compressing the iso with pocketISO (ff vii), then loading from that but no success. I have also tried all kinds of different settings.
So, have anyone of you guys managed to get FPSce running on your Hermes? is it worth a try, or is hermes too slow?
thanks for your time.

It's not worth it.. I tried it before and man, the buttons and stuff sucks..

other emulators work perfectly
michaeljames_a said:
It's not worth it.. I tried it before and man, the buttons and stuff sucks..
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Snes, nes and gba emulators work perfectly..! At least i have no problems using the keyboard for the games but did you manage to actually start a game and play it with fpsce??

it works but slow.gta2 is only one running somehow playable what ive tested.

when i had a hermes previously, i had wipeout 2097 and final fantasy 7 working100%, since trying on my second hermes, it just goes to cdplayer/mem card page, a friend who uses wm5 rom it plays perfect, so i think that could be problem (his phone is not a hermes)

TomTom 7 Incredibly slow on my Orbit with WM6.1...

Hi,
I have installed TomTom 7 on my XDA Orbit running Windows Mobile 6.1 and have found it to be incredibly slow in tracking your location on the directions screen.
Has anyone else seen this? Is there a way to increase the performance as it is unusable as it is - I have reverted to TT6 which runs fine.
Rgds
Gary

Its ok on mine, am using tomtom7 (7.450(9028)) with map uk &IE 1409 v675.1409 and running O2 ROM

Tomtom 7
Hi all,
I'm new to this forum so please be gentle!!
I was wondering where Tomtom7 can be bought and whether anyone knows if it has the lane support functionality, where it tells you which lane to get into. I've looked on the TT site and it only appears to be available for the Diamond. I have an XDA Orbit 2.
Thanks
Jon

Glasshouse Jon said:
Hi all,
I'm new to this forum so please be gentle!!
I was wondering where Tomtom7 can be bought and whether anyone knows if it has the lane support functionality, where it tells you which lane to get into. I've looked on the TT site and it only appears to be available for the Diamond. I have an XDA Orbit 2.
Thanks
Jon
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TT7 can not be bought, and it doesn't have advanced lane guidance either.
But it does support current maps, as opposed to TT6 for PDA, which only supports map from sometime before WW One.

garymansell said:
Hi,
I have installed TomTom 7 on my XDA Orbit running Windows Mobile 6.1 and have found it to be incredibly slow in tracking your location on the directions screen.
Has anyone else seen this? Is there a way to increase the performance as it is unusable as it is - I have reverted to TT6 which runs fine.
Rgds
Gary
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Hey!
Did you find any solution for your problem? I experienced the exact same thing yesterday....even tt6 seems slow but not near as close as tt7....
iGo 8 runs fine.
I'm also running WM 6.1
,Olle

it might be that you just dont have enough free RAM to run it properly
Most people have got it running OK so that would suggest its something specific to your devices
Try a reset of your device (to make sure all programs are closed fully) and see how much free program memory etc you've got
Are you also running M2D or something else memory/processor hungry ?

d-signet said:
it might be that you just dont have enough free RAM to run it properly
Most people have got it running OK so that would suggest its something specific to your devices
Try a reset of your device (to make sure all programs are closed fully) and see how much free program memory etc you've got
Are you also running M2D or something else memory/processor hungry ?
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Hey!
I have tried two different roms "Black & Blue 5.0" and "Tom-Oops Black". I have shut down all the today thingies and made sure that not other programs are running, then installed tomtom and even tomtom6 is really slow...not as slow as tomtom7 but I would say very near unusable....iGo on the other hand works allright....can anyone confirm that a specific rom works good with tomtom7, please also include your Radio version...
,Olle

Found my own problem....
I had added a lot of own POI's, these were all set to be shown on the map, when deactivated tomtom7 runs as smoothly as tomtom6!
,Olle