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VoIP and keeping WiFi connected while standby mode

I have finally decided to give WM6 a go on my Vario II and flashed it with latest 1.40 Olipro bootloader, 1.38 Radio and LVSW WM6 OS (btw, BIG thx for MrVanx for really great tutorials!).
In addition, I have installed VoIP application (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950 ) which I found pretty interesting, however it's also pretty unusable as WLAN connection goes down together with VoIP service while Hermes enters standby mode. I have found solution (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=245773 ) which unfortunately seems to not work with WM6. After applying Default={'0', '1', '2'} values, whole device completely hangs after resuming and the only solution is soft-reset by stylus. I've also set AllowSuspend=0 in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\Parms, but it also does not keep WiFi on. Basically - I cannot effectively keep WiFi and VoIP up, which make whole VoIP application totally useless.
Did anyone manage to resolve this problem?

eva_d said:
I have finally decided to give WM6 a go on my Vario II and flashed it with latest 1.40 Olipro bootloader, 1.38 Radio and LVSW WM6 OS (btw, BIG thx for MrVanx for really great tutorials!).
In addition, I have installed VoIP application (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950 ) which I found pretty interesting, however it's also pretty unusable as WLAN connection goes down together with VoIP service while Hermes enters standby mode. I have found solution (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=245773 ) which unfortunately seems to not work with WM6. After applying Default={'0', '1', '2'} values, whole device completely hangs after resuming and the only solution is soft-reset by stylus. I've also set AllowSuspend=0 in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\Parms, but it also does not keep WiFi on. Basically - I cannot effectively keep WiFi and VoIP up, which make whole VoIP application totally useless.
Did anyone manage to resolve this problem?
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I wish, I tried the same things you did with the same failures

eva_d said:
I cannot effectively keep WiFi and VoIP up, which make whole VoIP application totally useless.
Did anyone manage to resolve this problem?
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You'll find that if you kept WiFi on all the time, your battery will last about an hour (or less).. so... it's by design that WiFi shuts off when the phone drops into sleep mode.

I thought that WIFI used less energy output then Bluetooth and I've used a bluetooth headset on a phone call that lasted well over 3 hours and still had plenty of battery to last the rest of the day. Aside from 90% of the day I could easily keep the phone on charge (It's used on charge at home, work and in the car)

jmat said:
You'll find that if you kept WiFi on all the time, your battery will last about an hour (or less).. so... it's by design that WiFi shuts off when the phone drops into sleep mode.
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Yes, I am aware of that, as in every single topic I've found regarding this problem, there are zillions of posts saying about poor battery, but rarely anyone is coming up with actual solution.
Anyway, battery life is obviously a big downside, however without keeping WiFi on, there is absolutely no point of having VoIP application at all. I would be pleased to have fully working VoIP in my Hermes, as my first tests showed it works quite fine and could be excellent cost-saver international phone calls.
BTW, I'm curious how VoIP app works in official release of WM6 (not xda-cooked ROMs) - I cannot believe that VoIP configuration must be done by preparing XML/CAB file with settings, and WiFi goes down together with VoIP, making it useless. :-o

What about using a Screen Off utility like the ones used to keep Windows Media Player Working while turing the Screen Off. Then you would also need to go to the Battery Applet and unCheck the StandBy option.
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eva_d said:
Yes, I am aware of that, as in every single topic I've found regarding this problem, there are zillions of posts saying about poor battery, but rarely anyone is coming up with actual solution.
Anyway, battery life is obviously a big downside, however without keeping WiFi on, there is absolutely no point of having VoIP application at all. I would be pleased to have fully working VoIP in my Hermes, as my first tests showed it works quite fine and could be excellent cost-saver international phone calls.
BTW, I'm curious how VoIP app works in official release of WM6 (not xda-cooked ROMs) - I cannot believe that VoIP configuration must be done by preparing XML/CAB file with settings, and WiFi goes down together with VoIP, making it useless. :-o
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My guess is the official release will be something lame - only enablable by phone companies - i.e. Cingular will start offering Cingular VOIP where for $5/month more you can make unlimited calls within the U.S. (or insert your local country) on Cingular voip without using your minutes or something like that. The VOIP settings will be pre-installed by the carrier and you will be "unable" to change them yourself. I really have no idea if this is actually the way it will work but it tends to be the way that potentially cool things like this pan out :S

eva_d said:
without keeping WiFi on, there is absolutely no point of having VoIP application at all.
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VOIP is good on 3g as well(we currently use 64KB for a video calls! voice only will be much less, data costs will be much lower then minutes while calling long distance for example).
use it like this:
1. initiate the call yourself(turn on the WIFI)
2. use your DATA plan for long distance calls(out of country)

elivne said:
VOIP is good on 3g as well(we currently use 64KB for a video calls! voice only will be much less, data costs will be much lower then minutes while calling long distance for example).
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That's right, however any VoIP usage is strictly forbidden in my data plan (T-Mobile UK web'n'walk £7.50 option), and I don't want to risk any fines or anything for misuse of the service...

cyberdrakula said:
What about using a Screen Off utility like the ones used to keep Windows Media Player Working while turing the Screen Off. Then you would also need to go to the Battery Applet and unCheck the StandBy option.
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Why dont you do that Eva_d ?
Also, like mentioned before, wifi will murder your battery, but if you want to use VoIP for home use only, or office desk, then you can simply have a an extra long USB cable to constantly charge the phone. In the "backlight" settings, you can chose to have the phone ALWAYS-ON when plugged into a charger.
That way, you'll have a "home phone". All you'll have to do is unplug the charger if you wanna talk on the phone and walk around the place wireless

alkizmo said:
Why dont you do that Eva_d ?
Also, like mentioned before, wifi will murder your battery, but if you want to use VoIP for home use only, or office desk, then you can simply have a an extra long USB cable to constantly charge the phone. In the "backlight" settings, you can chose to have the phone ALWAYS-ON when plugged into a charger.
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Well, I found different solution. Using PocketZenPhone I have created 'VoIP' profile, which does not switch device off at all. So, when I plan to make or receive call through VoIP, I just switch that profile on, then WiFi and that's it. Maybe not very convenient, but works fine for me.

eva_d said:
Well, I found different solution. Using PocketZenPhone I have created 'VoIP' profile, which does not switch device off at all. So, when I plan to make or receive call through VoIP, I just switch that profile on, then WiFi and that's it. Maybe not very convenient, but works fine for me.
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Thats a good idea. Just did the same with mine.

eva_d said:
Well, I found different solution. Using PocketZenPhone I have created 'VoIP' profile, which does not switch device off at all. So, when I plan to make or receive call through VoIP, I just switch that profile on, then WiFi and that's it. Maybe not very convenient, but works fine for me.
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Just purely out of curiosity, how does your battery life do leaving WIFI constantly on - can you make it through the day? If so what do you have left?

chymmylt said:
Just purely out of curiosity, how does your battery life do leaving WIFI constantly on - can you make it through the day? If so what do you have left?
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I neved used WiFi for whole day. I only switch it on when I need to call through VoIP. For everyday internet use I have T-Mobile's WnW package.
However, I must say - WiFi drains battery REALLY fast...

Turn off GPRS

Anyone know how to turn the GPRS off so that it never comes on?

What you need is this ......... creates an icon called No Data, with it you can toggle on and off your GPRS, I've been using for a while and it is excellent, stops GPRS connections altogether until you want it...
Activesync it somewhere on your orbit and then click on it within File Explorer

Ah! Stew! Saviour! A million thanks... exactly what I was looking for...

Why?
Hi
Why turn GPS totally off? does it use more battery when your not using it?
MicTh

Hi there MicTh...
I'm with O2 and their data tarrifs are somewhat expensive.
I use wifi a lot so don't need GPRS. There has been the odd occasion where I've lost wifi signal and the phone started connecting with GPRS...
The above program put a stop to this!
SG

Ohhh.. stupid me :O)
I thought u were talkin about turning GPS off.... My bad

thanks i have also been looking for app like this

someguysomewhere said:
Anyone know how to turn the GPRS off so that it never comes on?
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This can be done easily by:
Settings->Connections->Connections->Advanced->Select Networks->(in the first ComboBox) select "My Work Network" and click OK

No GPRS does it much simpler, simply toggling between on and off....GPRS can sometimes connect on demand, the phones demand not yours when receiving messages or when Quick GOS has become outdated, NO GPRS is the simplest solution I've found.......

Thanks - I've installed this - one question
I have disabled Mobile Web and O2 Active
Will I still receive MMS messages ???
Hays

hays said:
Thanks - I've installed this - one question
I have disabled Mobile Web and O2 Active
Will I still receive MMS messages ???
Hays
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No, MMS is sent and received over O2 Active which is WAP.

where do i copy files to
im new to orbit could you tell me where i place the files please

Copy it to you memory card and run the program. It will install itself.

thanks
thanks for your help ive got it sorted

now ive installed it and i click on the nodata icon it shows gprs as deactivated but if im usin wifii it says connecting to gprs is that normal or have i done something wrong.
also if it says connecting to gprs while nodata is installed does it still run up the bill,orbit is all new to me so im still trying to find my way around it im used to normal phone.

Hi,
just a question on this wifi-gprs. Is there a way to include a priority on one of the two?
I would like my phone to connect through wifi is it finds free or known connections, otherwise it should use wifi.
Anybody know of a setting to get this done?
Patrick

I have a Hermes and I can stop my GPRS connection instantly.
Please try this (also on other HTC models)...
When you still have a GPRS connection press and hold down the hangup button for 3 to 6 secs. (the red phone you use the end a phonecall) until the little GPRS icon disappears.
GPRS as a service will stay available.

Hi.
I'm sorry but I am having a noobie moment.
I have transferred the 3 NOGPRS files into My Music (cos I couldn't think of anywhere else to put it) and clicked on the "setup" file which opens revealing lines of code. But that's it, how do I install it? Where do I find the icon?
Sorry, this might seem basic to you but it is very complicated and difficult to understand for me.

Garneth said:
Hi.
I'm sorry but I am having a noobie moment.
I have transferred the 3 NOGPRS files into My Music (cos I couldn't think of anywhere else to put it) and clicked on the "setup" file which opens revealing lines of code. But that's it, how do I install it? Where do I find the icon?
Sorry, this might seem basic to you but it is very complicated and difficult to understand for me.
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u went one step too far.
just extract the NOGPRS.cab to your device,
then take your device and click on the .cab file!

Icefeldt said:
u went one step too far.
just extract the NOGPRS.cab to your device,
then take your device and click on the .cab file!
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You Sir, are a star! Thank you. Installed and running. <beer>

msn live insists on connecting GPRS

i've tried this on 3 different ROMs now and it's always the same
i'll have my WLAN connected and working fine
but if i use msn live it insists on connecting GPRS and ignores the WLAN altogether
any ideas ?
it's got me stumped

Yes, most anoying stuff for many of us...

You can get Messenger work over Wifi only if you config the Connections to any unconfigured settings (liek default My ISP before config).
Regards.

jcespi2005 said:
You can get Messenger work over Wifi only if you config the Connections to any unconfigured settings (liek default My ISP before config).
Regards.
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Can you please explain more. I did not really understand your post.
Thanks in advance.

Statick said:
i've tried this on 3 different ROMs now and it's always the same
i'll have my WLAN connected and working fine
but if i use msn live it insists on connecting GPRS and ignores the WLAN altogether
any ideas ?
it's got me stumped
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Good luck with that. I dumped WLM because of this and use Pocket messenger instead. Does the job and does not screw up your contacts by syncing with your hotmail account.

etreby71 said:
Can you please explain more. I did not really understand your post.
Thanks in advance.
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Imagine you have just flashed your TyTN, and get connected trough Wifi. You have not configured the GPRS/3G connection yet. In this situation, live messenger works over Wifi. But if messenger detects any GPRS/3G data service available, use it before any other data service. Live Messenger is coded to use GPRS/3G before Wifi.

right, so i need to use pocket messenger then
that's good because i hate the syncing thing it does
thanks for the advice

According to M$, that issue is fixed in the newest version....6.0.6000.16386

and where do we get this latest version from?

jcespi2005 said:
Imagine you have just flashed your TyTN, and get connected trough Wifi. You have not configured the GPRS/3G connection yet. In this situation, live messenger works over Wifi. But if messenger detects any GPRS/3G data service available, use it before any other data service. Live Messenger is coded to use GPRS/3G before Wifi.
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Thanks for the information.
However this is still considered a bug since at some point in time you will need to set your GPRS.

GPRS and BT dial-up
The same thing completely occurs to me with some different ROM.
In addition, the line of GPRS and BT dial-up often cuts when suspending
it.

etreby71 said:
Thanks for the information.
However this is still considered a bug since at some point in time you will need to set your GPRS.
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More thah a bug i beleave is a bad design. Take in count MSN Live is made for many PDA, and no all the PDAs have Wifi, so perhaps they forgot to make Wifi as preferred connection for the devices that have Wifi.
Pumpiron says this is fixed in newer releases.
Pumpiron579 said:
According to M$, that issue is fixed in the newest version....6.0.6000.16386
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Where can we get it?
Regards.

Goto CommManager and turn off "Phone" and turn on "WLAN" (so only Wlan is enabled) then sign into MSN (it will force it to use WLAN) and then once youre in, re-enable "Phone" in CommManager! works for me

More of a 'workaround' than a 'it works' though...

etreby71 said:
Good luck with that. I dumped WLM because of this and use Pocket messenger instead. Does the job and does not screw up your contacts by syncing with your hotmail account.
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etreby71,
Question... Did you uninstalled the windows live and installed the Pocket Messenger?
I need to do that too..

tytnguy said:
etreby71,
Question... Did you uninstalled the windows live and installed the Pocket Messenger?
I need to do that too..
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Well, Windows Live can be unistalled only if was installed before...if was cooked in, then you can't uninstall.
The best way to have only Pocket messenger is to flash any lite ROM (dopod by edhass, Schaps lite, JJ Black lite, TNT lite.....) that don't include the Windows Live, so you can select what to install on the ROM.
Regards.

help jcespi2005
please jcespi2005 , can you give a link to download pocket messenger?
i can't find it
tx

twingo_man said:
please jcespi2005 , can you give a link to download pocket messenger?
i can't find it
tx
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Yes, here you have...
I haven't tested in WM6, only in my old Orange WM5 (cames without Messenger), so test and report if works, please.
http://rapidshare.com/files/51987105/Step1_setup.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/51987106/Step2_setup.zip
Regards.

thx
i'll test it when i'll have free time

bad news
jcespi2005 said:
Yes, here you have...
I haven't tested in WM6, only in my old Orange WM5 (cames without Messenger), so test and report if works, please.
http://rapidshare.com/files/51987105/Step1_setup.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/51987106/Step2_setup.zip
Regards.
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Well i just tesed your files jcespi2005 and bad news
I don't have pb to install the 2 files, but when i want to launch msn messenger, nothing happened
well, now i just have to wait the new version

WM6 Live Messenger not using wifi

Hi,
Can anyone help me, this is doing my head in! When I am connected to wifi I can browse the internet with IE but as soon as I try and sign in with messenger it tries to connect over gprs.
If i delete all my gprs settings and just have a wifi connection live failes to connect at all.
Any ideas?
Cheers

Yes there is a solution to your problem and its quite simple.
Don't use WML.
This has been a long standing bug with live messenger and Microsoft has not fixed it.
I suggest you use the older and more convenient Pocket Messenger which does not have this issue.
Up to you!

I belive the issue is fixed in .2600 build. At least mine works just fine, while .1100 build was insisting on using GPRS connection.

mutabor said:
I belive the issue is fixed in .2600 build. At least mine works just fine, while .1100 build was insisting on using GPRS connection.
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Your are right, it also let you choose if you want to sync your MSN contact with your phone contact.
This new build correct most of the flaw of the previous one

Thank you!!!!!!!!

easy 2 fix.
disable your phone, connect wifi, connect messenger over wifi, then re-enable the phone.
should continue to use the wifi....
but as soon as you go out of wifi range, or disable itwill want to use gprs/3g. so sign out 1st.

By the way, I'm looking for build .2600 CAB and I cannot find one. I would appreciate if someone could send me a download link.
Thanks.

mutabor said:
By the way, I'm looking for build .2600 CAB and I cannot find one. I would appreciate if someone could send me a download link.
Thanks.
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Same here..........

wmIRC

I've downloaded and installed the trial for wmIRC and it's working fine over WIFI on my HTC S621, but I can't get it to work over GPRS\EDGE ? I can use IE and Opera Mini without the WIFI.
Any ideas of what I can try, or are there other Windows Mobile Smartphone Standard IRC clients I could try?
Thank you,
Tim

tmcdoniel said:
I've downloaded and installed the trial for wmIRC and it's working fine over WIFI on my HTC S621, but I can't get it to work over GPRS\EDGE ? I can use IE and Opera Mini without the WIFI.
Any ideas of what I can try, or are there other Windows Mobile Smartphone Standard IRC clients I could try?
Thank you,
Tim
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make sure you start an edge connection before trying to log onto irc. i use wmirc daily and works through either connection. just open a browser and go to a website to initiate the data connection (for some reason wmirc will initiate *sometimes* and not others) then open irc and just hit connect. may take a sec to go through the ident and ****...but it gets there...

gixxum said:
make sure you start an edge connection before trying to log onto irc. i use wmirc daily and works through either connection. just open a browser and go to a website to initiate the data connection (for some reason wmirc will initiate *sometimes* and not others) then open irc and just hit connect. may take a sec to go through the ident and ****...but it gets there...
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I've tried that, no luck. I don't have the ident option checked, but I never need it for WIFI. I'm just wondering if it's my carrier, Suncom blocking it. It's just strange to me that my email, IE, mini-opera, etc. works. But not this.
I'm looking now to see if I can find a way to link (or echo) messages over to an instant messenger ID. Because I know that I can get Palringo or some other IM client to work.
Thank you,
Tim

tmcdoniel said:
I've tried that, no luck. I don't have the ident option checked, but I never need it for WIFI. I'm just wondering if it's my carrier, Suncom blocking it. It's just strange to me that my email, IE, mini-opera, etc. works. But not this.
I'm looking now to see if I can find a way to link (or echo) messages over to an instant messenger ID. Because I know that I can get Palringo or some other IM client to work.
Thank you,
Tim
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I wasnt so much talking about enabling indent..i was just talking about when you connect to the server and i queries the client..
what version of wmirc is it?

This probably doesn't help much but I have it working fine on another device over CDMA.
Honestly, prepare to be disappointed though. Its a very buggy program. The user lists tend to disappear, sometimes a new pm opens and switching from one to the next shows the same messages, and it randomly completely crashes.
There's also zsIRC at zsirc.com. However, this is many written for WM Pro, so there's a lot of things that you can't do if you don't have a touchscreen (also, you can't install the .cab on WM Standard and need to use the .exe installer.)

i agree. but for smartphone its really the only one that works. ive tried 3. wmirc, jirc and some other one that i cant remember.
as far as just chattin in a channel, its fine. ive had it up with no disconnects on the edge network for 8 hours. with wifi i have left on for days and it never crashed or disconnected. yea the user list is a little retarded, but thats a non issue for me. you can still use basic commands like /whois . i dont think its ever going to get better than this though. as far as i know, no one else is developing a new client.
so i guess just pick the lesser poison..if you want to run it through java (which i couldnt stand) try out jirc.
shoot me a pm and let me know what version you have. i will probably just give you a link to my site and you can try the one i have because i know it works. im running 6.1 rickys v. 24

I'm just using the standard 2.2 from the wmirc.com site.