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Exact differences btw O2 XDAII ROMS 1.72.181 & 1.72.187

The upgrade instructions from the O2 website are for v1.72.181 and say if you want the GPRS to stay on when you are making or receiving phone calls then you should use v1.72.187, but 1.72.187 is not compatible with the software they also offer for free to upgrade at the same time. What exactly is the difference between the two, and is 1.72.187 REALLY incompatible with the other software, or what? Does anyone who has v1.72.187 have experience with whether this really works or not, or what? I thought these phones only had one receiver, so how can it be tuned to receive two things at once, or is it just an automatic reconnect at the end of a phone call for the internet, etc? Does it depend upon the carrier you have for GPRS? Is the reconnection robust, or flaky? I don't want to use 1.72.187 if it isn't completely stable. And why isn't it compatible with the other software upgrades they offer at the same time, and where is the 1.72.187 upgrade, I can't find it anywhere on O2's website!?!?!

Firstly, there are minimal differences between the 2 ROMs; at present the 1.72.187 has been removed from O2's site, though I think SourceO2 still have it.
The essential difference is that 181 includes the new Blackberry client for those who want Push email etc. and 187 doesn't. There have been reports of some O2 resellers (like CPW) being unable to offer BB and Web access on the same account, which can be a problem, as the BB APN is essentially a WAP connection and won't allow POP3 email, or MSN access.
Both ROMS are compatible with the extra new programs- TrueFax, Zip and Fonix VoiceDial. The downloads of the ROM update are now IMEI checked, and the new apps check for an O2 UK V1.72 ROM.
The GPRS issue is not important for most users- the disconnect while on a phone call only operates for non standard GPRS connections. Blackberry and normal GPRS will stay connected.
As you suggest, these devices only have 1 receiver, but GPRS is a service which works on top of the normal phone signal- like you can make domestic phone calls whilst using ADSL for surfing, so essentially both are using the same signal and tranceivers.
I have used 1.72.187 since the day it was released (I chose this as I don't need Blackberry) and it has been very stable. The add-ons installed and ran OK, but I don't use Fax or voice dialling, so have since deleted them.
BTW- to use the fax software, you need to ask O2 Customer Services to issue you with a dedicated fax number on your account- this is free of charge and is added to your existing SIM card, and you just pay for calls as normal on that line.

Thanks for your information. I can't find the .187 ROM anywhere, even on source02. Anyway, I am in the middle of upgrading to the .182 ROM. Here is my situation: I have a SIM card I got from T-Mobile when I purchased an XDA I from them about 18 months ago. About 9 months ago I purchased an XDA II (new) on Ebay, the seller told me it was unlocked, it wasn't. Anyway, I found and successfully used the xda2unlock program on this web site and have been happy with it ever since, with the same SIM card and the same contract from T-Mobile. Now I am running the .182 upgrade, wish me luck!

Is .182 a T-Mobile ROM? I haven't heard of this version in UK. If your XDA II was originally not from O2, then you may not be able to access any O2 ROM's, as the downloader now checks the IMEI number for a genuine O2 device.

I upgraded the Pocket PC with no ptoblem to .182. No, as I was saying above, I purchased the unit from Ebay, it is a tru O2 XDAII. Everything is working fine.

Blackberry for XDA2s

Has anyone got any news on this topic, 02 say January?

How about a search on this site? A great number of us have been using BB service since 1.72.181 came out.

BB for Blue Angel... not XDAII
Dear k_kirk,
I believe that houssie was looking for BB for Blue Angel (since he posted his question on the BA forum), not for the XDAII serie (an 1.72 is clearly an XDAII rom).
I am looking for that too.

You're right of course. Apologies to Houssi & all offended.

I've been in touch with O2 who advise they are planning on a ROM upgrade at the beginning of next year to include Blackberry Support for the XDA IIs.
I was in a store in Glasgow and they advised to download the XDA II rom as this is effectively the same(!) but needless to say I didnt download it and sought advice from O2 Data support.
T-Mobile are only pushing Blackberry on the RIM devices at present, no idea if they are planning on extending to the MDA and Orange are just trialling Blackberry with the business customers at present - again no information on the SPV.
On a sidenote, it took almost 6 phone calls to various "customer service" individuals until I got a definitive answer.
Also, does anyone know if Vodafone are releasing their version anytime soon as the Company I work for use Vodafone and I'm pretty sure they'd be interested in it.
Thanks
D

justa little note that i have a xda2 device with blackberry on it. could someone tell me what its for?

numanoids said:
T-Mobile are only pushing Blackberry on the RIM devices at present, no idea if they are planning on extending to the MDA and Orange are just trialling Blackberry with the business customers at present - again no information on the SPV.
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FWIW, T-Mobile DE just released the BlackBerry Connect software for their MDA II's, so hopefully that's a good sign for the rest of the T-Mobile international companies!

whufc77 said:
justa little note that i have a xda2 device with blackberry on it. could someone tell me what its for?
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Its 'push' software for email, it'll send your mail rather than having to dial up and sync with your mail account
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Blackberry and XDA IIs
Is there an alternative to Blackberry for the XDA IIs in the meantime. I was using BB on my XDA and is was excellent - having just upgraded to the IIs, and found no Blackberry I'm in a slight dilemma.
celtic

See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=14927
Unfortunately, the demo its offering appears to be scheduled retrieve rather than push - although if you go onto the smartner website, O2 UK is listed as being a partner. Strangely enough there's nothing on the O2 website about them or the service.
I've signed up to the demo and it seems ok, although I'm not convinced.
Oh and the demo will only allow you IMAP or Pop3 access, no desktop client or anything for corporate email.
Maybe once O2 offer it properly it will be a proper push service.
Have you looked at O2's xmail? Again its a retrieval service, although they're offering a 3 month free trial and it will hook into your existing exchange environment by way of a desktop connector - downside is that your pc has to be on permanently for the service to stay connected.
http://www.o2.co.uk/xmail
Cheers

Ok, I'll give the smartner a bash - got to be worth trying for three monthst - by then, maybe BB will be available on the IIs
Thanks

Ahhhhh.....seems to work....interesting.
Only allows one email account though :-( Shame!!!!

Give xmail a bash - its not restricted to O2 customers from what I've read in the [email protected] on the pages, and you can add up to two other accounts to that for it to poll them for you.
Just about to test it meself, I'll let you know what happens - problem [email protected] got is that my SSL certificate is self signed and their servers dont like it - time to enable non-ssl comms i think.

Added my home email to the xmail profile, but it still only accesses the part of the setup thats connected to the desktop connector.
It is possible to access the other mail via the web portal, but not much point since I can just configure it via pocket inbox.
Roll on Blackberry

Tried xmail when it first came out - was a bit flaky to say the least. And of course you needed the desktop client to be running for your XDA to get the mail!!!! Which is no good for me.
Like you say - bring on the BB rom update - cannot be that far away now really - especially as it works on the XDA II - how different can it be!!!!!

t-mobile releases blackberry for MDA III
t-mobile has released an update to the MDA III with blackberry i"m using it and it's great note that the rom is 1.22.01GER I tried loading the cab to the english 1.22.00 wwe but it doesn't work. iT DOES DOWNLOADING OF ATTACHMENTS and calendar updates over the air.

I take it you have subscribed to a T-mobile blackberry data plan?

Oooooo sounds interesting...not sure I want to learn German though for the use of Blackberry!!!!!
Yes, the 02 version on XDA II will do attachments too - very cool indeed.
We just need 02 to get themselves into gear and release a rom update!

Not sure if you've seen it elsewhere on the site, but apparently O2 havent arranged a support contract with RIM, so until they do I suspect we may be waiting.

But if they can do it for the XDA II then they must have something in place for it!!!!!
I have emailed a few people I know at 02 this evening to try and establish what the state of play is.
Quite frankly the more I think about it, I can see me sending the IIs back to them within 14days!!!

Blackberry Connect on the XDA IIs

I am currently a Blackberry user and a former iPAQ user. With the Blue Angel now supporting Blackberry Connect, I will finally be able to have a Blackberry and a real MS PDA all in one.
I called O2 to confirm that the XDA II supports Blackberry. I was told that the XDA does but the XDA II does not and will never.
Can I just update the XDA II software to get the Blackberry Connect?
Thanks.

I'd phone back and hope you get someone else.
As I understand it the XDA doesn't support blackberry, the XDAII does (as I have it working on one) and the XDAiis will support it in early 2005 (supposedly).
I'm waiting on the XDAiis Blackberry Connect myself as I have two devices sat here useless without it (or at least useless in so far as I could have bought XDAII's and a WiFi SD card)

On http://www.my-xda.com site, the XDA II supports Blackberry but no mention of Blackberry on the XDA IIi/s pages.
In the O2 Business brochure that I picked up from the O2 shop yesterday, it says "Blackberry Connectivity Coming Soon" for both the IIs and IIi.
That is the problem I always had with O2, depending on who you speak you get different answers.

nadimg said:
On http://www.my-xda.com site, the XDA II supports Blackberry but no mention of Blackberry on the XDA IIi/s pages.
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http://www.my-xda.com/xda2s_what.html
There's a bit just down the page which says:
Coming soon... From early 2005 the Xda IIs will support BlackBerry® connectivity so your email messages can be automatically pushed to your Xda IIs - with no dial-up and no waiting. Come back to this site soon for more information.
So it's there, which makes it even more suprising the guys on the phone don't know about it. Might be worth reading it back out to them when you phone

I've quoted the website in numerous emails to o2 data support.
the problem is that they have had a lot of compatibility issues between the device and RIM which apparently they are working on.
If I hear anything I'll let you all know.

I went into deatil with Blackberry on this @ TechED and also since then. They called me backn in response to my inquireies @ TechED. They even got a Cingular Rep to call me back and that was amazing in itself. The Cingular Rep gave me another contact and I have left him a VM (today).
I personally saw it working on an O2 Blue Angel @ Teched, I played with it a while, maybe I should have ROM dumped it but I was there for legitamate business and getting kicked out would not have been wise on my part.
Anyway, Yes it works on it!!!
Blackberry is going to contiue not giving us the SW, while Cingular is back in bed with GoodLink, so by the time Microsofts solution has fully matured, Blackberry is going to wonder where all of their clients went. Seems to me that they would hold onto us and keep the revenue flowing for as long as posible. Bad move on Blackberry's part in my opinion.
Raptor

With my current O2 Blackberry, I used the Vodafone realease to upgrade to version 4.0 from 3.7. In 4.0 there were some new Internet features that were not available in 3.7.
I used the Vodafone upgrade as O2, just like the XDA II x software, is always a few months behind. In the case of Blackberry it is 6 months and counting.
Can I proceed the same way with the XDA IIs? That is can I use the latest T-Mobile MDA softare to upgrade the O2 XDA IIs?
I don't really mind having a T-Mobile user interface as long as the BB Connect works.
Thanks.

Dunno

I've got the T-Mobile software on mine. It talks to the PC no problem and it becomes my blackberry device but I can't get GPRS connection.

nico5524 said:
...but I can't get GPRS connection.
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You need to set the APN to blackberry.net and have O2 give you access to it (for a fee).

Sorry for being dense but how do I set the apn?

nico5524 said:
Sorry for being dense but how do I set the apn?
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No idea. I am still using the Blackberry 7230. The XDA IIs is still in the box. I should start setting it up later this week or next week.
Check out this link:
http://www.pdagold.com/articles/detail.asp?r=50&a=224
This was written when the BB Connect was only released with T-Mobile Germany.
Note that to use BB, O2 will need to add the BB Bolt-On to your plan.

OK ta, will give it a go tomorrow and let you know how I get on. I wouldn't have thought that T-Mobile will want to play ball though as I'm not there customer and am trying to get a competitors device to work using their software. But again will give it a go tomorrow.
I've already got BB on my plan, it's a sim card from a 7730 that I want to use in the XDA.

O2 XDA Orbit on T-Mobile Web'n'Walk - Possible?

I have a CID unlocked XDA Orbit, and was looking at the T-Mobile Web'n'Walk contract packages.
I have spoken to T-Mobile, who assure me the Web'n'Walk contract will ONLY work with certain (ie their own) T-Mobile Web'n'Walk compatable handsets.
They have stated this is because to the the Web'n'Walk connection can only be made using the Web'n'Walk application (included with compatable handsets) and is the only way to connect, and that manual settings for this particular package are not available.
But as my phone is unlocked, would flashing with a T-Mobile ROM (from the MDA compact for example) fix this problem? Come to think of it, would installing the Web'n'Walk application (from a T-Mobile extended rom) work?
Has anyone tried this? How was it done? Or is T-Mobile simply talking out of their hat!
Also, what do you guys (and gals) think of the Web'n'Walk service, is it any cop?

T-Mobile know nothing.
There is no T-Mobile application. There wasn't one on my MDA Compact III when I bought it from them, and there certainly isn't now I'm using Tupisdin's WM6 3.5 ROM. The device uses the standard Pocket Internet Explorer, or will happily run Opera Mobile.
You don't need to flash a ROM, the O2 one will work fine with the right settings, but a WM6 ROM is better, if you are happy to flash it anyway.
Web and Walk is great, all you can eat data and no hunting for WiFi hotspots, I just wish the Artemis was 3g. Roll on the Polaris.
Oh and the Manual settings that "Aren't available" are on their website, you just enter a valid T-Mobile phone number and look for setting up MMS manually, it will take you to a page that lists the GPRS and MMS settings.
(Edit: Back off T-Mobile or I shall taunt you some more)

Cheers!
Thanks for an excellent, quick and concise response!

I can confirm this as well.
I'm using a Orbit on the Flex 20 with Web N Walk. If your looking to save then T-Mobile to a Sim Only deal for £7.50 a month and unlimited data for another £7.
Personally I'm about to switch to O2 then back to T-Mobile after a couple of months to take advantage of the deal.

No Networks Available

I just bought a HTC s620 unlocked from ebay. I have been using my family members legit t-mobile dash and my sim works fine in it. The s620 came with NRG 1.3 rom on it. At first it would connect to the t-mobile network for a few seconds, then it would disconnect and get stuck saying searching.
I flashed the phone with .6 t-mobile rom, same problem. (yes i did the application unlock)
Now i flashed the phone with the 1.7 NRG Rose rom and i can't find any networks at all.
Anyone have any ideas? I have looked through all the settings just to make sure it isn't a dumb mistake. Is it possible that the HTC s620 unlocked phones off of ebay just don't work with T-mobile?
Thanks,
Hain

Update:
I tried the same with my brothers sim card, same results. Can't find any networks. I also tried flashing to 6.5 3VOLUTION, nothing.

I guess then perhaps it's either a hardware fault or the phone's IMEI number has been blacklisted, perhaps because it has been reported stolen.

Thanks for the response. It must be the phone radio that is busted. I am sending the phone back, all the way to China .

same problem
Hey... I've had this same problem... did you buy it from youdosure88 on ebay? I have a similar problem... the signal is strong outdoors but indoors there is no signal. did you get a replacement?