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Exact differences btw O2 XDAII ROMS 1.72.181 & 1.72.187

The upgrade instructions from the O2 website are for v1.72.181 and say if you want the GPRS to stay on when you are making or receiving phone calls then you should use v1.72.187, but 1.72.187 is not compatible with the software they also offer for free to upgrade at the same time. What exactly is the difference between the two, and is 1.72.187 REALLY incompatible with the other software, or what? Does anyone who has v1.72.187 have experience with whether this really works or not, or what? I thought these phones only had one receiver, so how can it be tuned to receive two things at once, or is it just an automatic reconnect at the end of a phone call for the internet, etc? Does it depend upon the carrier you have for GPRS? Is the reconnection robust, or flaky? I don't want to use 1.72.187 if it isn't completely stable. And why isn't it compatible with the other software upgrades they offer at the same time, and where is the 1.72.187 upgrade, I can't find it anywhere on O2's website!?!?!

Firstly, there are minimal differences between the 2 ROMs; at present the 1.72.187 has been removed from O2's site, though I think SourceO2 still have it.
The essential difference is that 181 includes the new Blackberry client for those who want Push email etc. and 187 doesn't. There have been reports of some O2 resellers (like CPW) being unable to offer BB and Web access on the same account, which can be a problem, as the BB APN is essentially a WAP connection and won't allow POP3 email, or MSN access.
Both ROMS are compatible with the extra new programs- TrueFax, Zip and Fonix VoiceDial. The downloads of the ROM update are now IMEI checked, and the new apps check for an O2 UK V1.72 ROM.
The GPRS issue is not important for most users- the disconnect while on a phone call only operates for non standard GPRS connections. Blackberry and normal GPRS will stay connected.
As you suggest, these devices only have 1 receiver, but GPRS is a service which works on top of the normal phone signal- like you can make domestic phone calls whilst using ADSL for surfing, so essentially both are using the same signal and tranceivers.
I have used 1.72.187 since the day it was released (I chose this as I don't need Blackberry) and it has been very stable. The add-ons installed and ran OK, but I don't use Fax or voice dialling, so have since deleted them.
BTW- to use the fax software, you need to ask O2 Customer Services to issue you with a dedicated fax number on your account- this is free of charge and is added to your existing SIM card, and you just pay for calls as normal on that line.

Thanks for your information. I can't find the .187 ROM anywhere, even on source02. Anyway, I am in the middle of upgrading to the .182 ROM. Here is my situation: I have a SIM card I got from T-Mobile when I purchased an XDA I from them about 18 months ago. About 9 months ago I purchased an XDA II (new) on Ebay, the seller told me it was unlocked, it wasn't. Anyway, I found and successfully used the xda2unlock program on this web site and have been happy with it ever since, with the same SIM card and the same contract from T-Mobile. Now I am running the .182 upgrade, wish me luck!

Is .182 a T-Mobile ROM? I haven't heard of this version in UK. If your XDA II was originally not from O2, then you may not be able to access any O2 ROM's, as the downloader now checks the IMEI number for a genuine O2 device.

I upgraded the Pocket PC with no ptoblem to .182. No, as I was saying above, I purchased the unit from Ebay, it is a tru O2 XDAII. Everything is working fine.

Blackberry for XDA2s

Has anyone got any news on this topic, 02 say January?

How about a search on this site? A great number of us have been using BB service since 1.72.181 came out.

BB for Blue Angel... not XDAII
Dear k_kirk,
I believe that houssie was looking for BB for Blue Angel (since he posted his question on the BA forum), not for the XDAII serie (an 1.72 is clearly an XDAII rom).
I am looking for that too.

You're right of course. Apologies to Houssi & all offended.

I've been in touch with O2 who advise they are planning on a ROM upgrade at the beginning of next year to include Blackberry Support for the XDA IIs.
I was in a store in Glasgow and they advised to download the XDA II rom as this is effectively the same(!) but needless to say I didnt download it and sought advice from O2 Data support.
T-Mobile are only pushing Blackberry on the RIM devices at present, no idea if they are planning on extending to the MDA and Orange are just trialling Blackberry with the business customers at present - again no information on the SPV.
On a sidenote, it took almost 6 phone calls to various "customer service" individuals until I got a definitive answer.
Also, does anyone know if Vodafone are releasing their version anytime soon as the Company I work for use Vodafone and I'm pretty sure they'd be interested in it.
Thanks
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justa little note that i have a xda2 device with blackberry on it. could someone tell me what its for?

numanoids said:
T-Mobile are only pushing Blackberry on the RIM devices at present, no idea if they are planning on extending to the MDA and Orange are just trialling Blackberry with the business customers at present - again no information on the SPV.
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FWIW, T-Mobile DE just released the BlackBerry Connect software for their MDA II's, so hopefully that's a good sign for the rest of the T-Mobile international companies!

whufc77 said:
justa little note that i have a xda2 device with blackberry on it. could someone tell me what its for?
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Its 'push' software for email, it'll send your mail rather than having to dial up and sync with your mail account
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Blackberry and XDA IIs
Is there an alternative to Blackberry for the XDA IIs in the meantime. I was using BB on my XDA and is was excellent - having just upgraded to the IIs, and found no Blackberry I'm in a slight dilemma.
celtic

See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=14927
Unfortunately, the demo its offering appears to be scheduled retrieve rather than push - although if you go onto the smartner website, O2 UK is listed as being a partner. Strangely enough there's nothing on the O2 website about them or the service.
I've signed up to the demo and it seems ok, although I'm not convinced.
Oh and the demo will only allow you IMAP or Pop3 access, no desktop client or anything for corporate email.
Maybe once O2 offer it properly it will be a proper push service.
Have you looked at O2's xmail? Again its a retrieval service, although they're offering a 3 month free trial and it will hook into your existing exchange environment by way of a desktop connector - downside is that your pc has to be on permanently for the service to stay connected.
http://www.o2.co.uk/xmail
Cheers

Ok, I'll give the smartner a bash - got to be worth trying for three monthst - by then, maybe BB will be available on the IIs
Thanks

Ahhhhh.....seems to work....interesting.
Only allows one email account though :-( Shame!!!!

Give xmail a bash - its not restricted to O2 customers from what I've read in the [email protected] on the pages, and you can add up to two other accounts to that for it to poll them for you.
Just about to test it meself, I'll let you know what happens - problem [email protected] got is that my SSL certificate is self signed and their servers dont like it - time to enable non-ssl comms i think.

Added my home email to the xmail profile, but it still only accesses the part of the setup thats connected to the desktop connector.
It is possible to access the other mail via the web portal, but not much point since I can just configure it via pocket inbox.
Roll on Blackberry

Tried xmail when it first came out - was a bit flaky to say the least. And of course you needed the desktop client to be running for your XDA to get the mail!!!! Which is no good for me.
Like you say - bring on the BB rom update - cannot be that far away now really - especially as it works on the XDA II - how different can it be!!!!!

t-mobile releases blackberry for MDA III
t-mobile has released an update to the MDA III with blackberry i"m using it and it's great note that the rom is 1.22.01GER I tried loading the cab to the english 1.22.00 wwe but it doesn't work. iT DOES DOWNLOADING OF ATTACHMENTS and calendar updates over the air.

I take it you have subscribed to a T-mobile blackberry data plan?

Oooooo sounds interesting...not sure I want to learn German though for the use of Blackberry!!!!!
Yes, the 02 version on XDA II will do attachments too - very cool indeed.
We just need 02 to get themselves into gear and release a rom update!

Not sure if you've seen it elsewhere on the site, but apparently O2 havent arranged a support contract with RIM, so until they do I suspect we may be waiting.

But if they can do it for the XDA II then they must have something in place for it!!!!!
I have emailed a few people I know at 02 this evening to try and establish what the state of play is.
Quite frankly the more I think about it, I can see me sending the IIs back to them within 14days!!!

All 8125's belong to Cingualar ??? what is going on?

I am a Cingular subsciber, I have a choice to make between the 8125 and the Tmobile mda. I know i can get them unlocked. My problem is my buddy has an unlocked mda and he is using it with Cingular he has unlimtted media works for 19.99....... which is just like the internet only cingular thinks he is using the htc 2125. Now the phone i can get on ebay is an unlocked cingular 8125 and when i called cingulr they say if i get that phone i have no choice but to get one of their pda plans. the pda plan is $39.99 per month plus my plan with the minutes which will be $59.99 plus the $39.99. If i get the mda i can do like my buddy did my question is since the 8125's on ebay are unlocked won't cingulr's system recognize the ime number and know that i am using the 8125.... the unlocked 8125's tthat i have in mind are abut 50 to 60 bucks less than the unlocked mda .... what should i do .... please advise :arrow:

I am on Cingular with the media works package, they sold me that package when I purshased my sx66(Also a PDA/Phone). just tell them you have an existing phone and would just like to purchase service with a new sim, Tell them what you want, dont let them tell you what you need.
however with that being said I do believe a while back on Cingulars forums there was some talk about people being charged extra while not being on the pda plan. I personaly have not had that problem.

yeah the were
they were charged becasue cingualr does have the 8125 and if you buy an unlocked one the system registers you as having an 8125. I think i may be safe to get another mda not the 8125....
if you call cs they can tell you what phone you are using by the ime that registers when you power on the phone if the phone is a cinguar phone. so if you get an unlocked phone but the phone was once in cinguar's system i think they know by the imie number

Should of specified that I myself have the 8125 from cingular, purchased it the week it came out(not through my cingular account). My bill has not changed. $19.99 unlimited media net.
If you are worried about it I would just go with the MDA(Wiza200), and flash it with a cingular rom.

Looking now
I am looking at it now. The 8125 has a better feel to it. I really want and need to get a phone today. Which do you reccommed..........
The MDA or the 8125 I can get them on ebay right now brand new sealed in the box.
The MDA total is $430 it includes overnight delivery
The 8125 is $420 it includes overnight delivery

I have my prophet on cingular with the $19.99 unlimited data plan and they just think I have an 8125. They have never asked, or charged me more. After talking to dozens of people at Cingular, I don't think most are technical enough to check up on your IMEI to find what phone you are using. Sad, but I can throw most tech support people under the bus in terms of knowledge of pocket pc and smartphones, and all I do is read forums.....

My question is
My real concern was that they will eventulaly know about an unlocked 8125 if they start racking up charges..
Are the imei numbers on the MDA's and 8125 and 2125 similar. If they are similary I can get any one of them. If not I will problably go with the MDA. My questions to you guys is which is smaller and which is better with reception The MDA or the 8125
I am a Cingular Customer. I know the support people blow hot air they read from scripts.

Prophet
Hey does the prophet have a slide out keyboard.

HELP HELP HELP
Looks like I may be stuck getting the 8125 .. the one for the MDA has ended. I need to get it overnight so that I can get my Nokia E61 back from the wife. I was trying to get the MDA due to my data plan concerns with cingular and due to the fact that so many people have told me that the MDA is smaller and more sleek in appearnce. My wife dosen't seem to like the phones that look like bricks. Someoen help me out here
should i just find anohter mda or will it be okay to get the 8125
what are these MDA's more expenvie than the 8125. I also hear that the 8125 cannot do wi-fi G :roll:

I have an 8125 and the $19.99 MEdiaNet Unlimited plan. Cingular may be able to read the equipment type, but they havent for me.
I bought my 8125 off of eBay. Previously I had a V3. I just popped my SIM in the 8125, called them up and said I wanted the unlimited MEdiaNet plan for $19.99.
Using with or without proxy enabled, I show 0 data charges on my bill, as I'm on the unlimited plan. With the proxy enabled, I can't check my GMail account, so I usually run without it. The only thing you don't get if you are missing the Proxy is the ability to go do http://device.home and browse the Cingular MEdiaNet site and buy ringtones/games and whatnot.

Guess Not
Guess there's no more help on this end. Cool let me try another forum. Thanks for your help. I will get some more info. I may just have to bite the bullet and goto Cingular to buy the phone.

MDA Mail (UK) original ROM

I have flashed my MDA Mail with the MDA Dash WM6 ROM when it came out earlier this year, but now I'm having problems with the GPRS and I will have to send it out for warranty repairs. Is there any place where I can get the original WM5 ROM for it so that I can flash it back before sending for repairs?
Thanks in advance.

Well what is the problem with your GPRS ? If you need the settings for it, you could just check'em out on the T-Mo UK website, i bet they should be somewhere there

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Well what is the problem with your GPRS ? If you need the settings for it, you could just check'em out on the T-Mo UK website, i bet they should be somewhere there
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Well, if it was that simple I wouldn't be here asking.
My device has worked for months until it suddenly stopped connecting to both Bluetooth and GPRS. I did everything I knew of, including hard-resets and reconfiguring GPRS from scratch, as well as spending some time with T-Mobile's tech support... We in the end concluded that the phone is faulty.
Now I've got a TyTN II and it works fine with the same settings.

HTC Tilt 8925 phone on eBay

Right now I am using a basic Nokia 6030. If I buy an HTC Tilt 8925 off of eBay, do I have to buy the data plan from AT&T even if it is unlocked?

How does have anything to do with Touch Pro 2 ROM development?

I have no idea, sorry!

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To answer your question, from what I've read and heard, yes. However, if you have an unlocked device (non-AT&T branded phone) then you won't.

Would there be any chance I could know how I can unlock the 8925?

Even if you unlock the Tilt 2, it's still an AT&T branded phone. They'd recognize your IMEI number as such and force the data plan on you. The only way around this would be to either import an unlocked TP2, or use an unlocked TP2 from another US carrier. An important issue you'd have with an unlocked US TP2 is that it wouldn't be compatible with AT&T's 3g data band, so your data speeds would be stuck on EDGE.
EDIT: I should also mention that in your particular situation (since you don't want data on the phone), using an unlocked TP2 from the US would be ideal. The reason being is that it will be much cheaper than importing an unlocked phone from overseas. I suppose my initial explanation was more geared to try and clarify the general subject.

If using any TP2 it would most likely be recognised by ATT and be charged the data plan. See Hofo Nexus One thread for more details. Also some may not work on ATT 3G, for example TMO TP2 will not work with ATT 3G.

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If using any TP2 it would most likely be recognised by ATT and be charged the data plan. See Hofo Nexus One thread for more details. Also some may not work on ATT 3G, for example TMO TP2 will not work with ATT 3G.
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If it's got the 8925 branding that's specifically the AT&T version. Still not the TP2/Tilt2 though is it? Thought 8925 was the Kaiser.

The 8925 is the unofficial name of the original Tilt (Kaiser). The only place it is used is under the battery cover. It isn't called 8925 in any manuals or other official texts.

The bottom line is if ATT sells it and even if you buy a EUR version then ATT will probably still recognize the phone. They are getting smarter.
I have a code on one of my lines exempting me from the mandatory data plan since I had an HTC on that line before the rule came out, but my wife's line got dinged for this about a month ago, since then I changed to a dumb phone for her and removed the data. If I was to loose my exemption I would go to TMO.

OP, you want to post to the forum below, not the Tilt2 forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=377

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The bottom line is if ATT sells it and even if you buy a EUR version then ATT will probably still recognize the phone. They are getting smarter.
I have a code on one of my lines exempting me from the mandatory data plan since I had an HTC on that line before the rule came out, but my wife's line got dinged for this about a month ago, since then I changed to a dumb phone for her and removed the data. If I was to loose my exemption I would go to TMO.
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I currently have a Tilt 2 (from Ebay), prior it was a Kaiser (Tilt from AT&T), and before that a Blue Angel (Siemens SX66 from AT&T).
I was forced to get the PDA data plan when I got my Kaiser from them. I later told them it suffered an untimely death, switched to a flip phone, and changed the internet over to the smaller package. I put my sim back into my Kaiser and internet is working fine, I am still being charged the smaller package, and my phone comes up as the Blue Angel when I log into their web. LOL!
The only way around NOT getting the PDA plan is to NOT get the PDA from them (they've made it now mandatory). I've noticed that now they also made it mandatory to get the smaller internet/messaging package, if you get a phone from them that has a keyboard (either virtual or hard), regardless of whether you even want it. Not really the best incentive to get someone to commit to your plan or buy a device from them, is it? I'm thinking when my contract expires that I'll simply upgrade my phones on my own and keep paying the same for my service WITHOUT committing to another 2-year contract.
Getting a free or reduced price phone is just not worth spending that exorbitant amount on internet for 2 years.
Debbie

DebbieNY13 said:
I currently have a Tilt 2 (from Ebay), prior it was a Kaiser (Tilt from AT&T), and before that a Blue Angel (Siemens SX66 from AT&T).
I was forced to get the PDA data plan when I got my Kaiser from them. I later told them it suffered an untimely death, switched to a flip phone, and changed the internet over to the smaller package. I put my sim back into my Kaiser and internet is working fine, I am still being charged the smaller package, and my phone comes up as the Blue Angel when I log into their web. LOL!
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Yes, but that is not a guarantee anymore. ATT has on few and increasingly occasions been able to tell if you are using a non-branded HTC or the ATT version. You may also a grandfather clause on your line (ATT lists that as "Smartphone exclusion" under the included feature section of OLAM and my line has this as well. They will and by experience send a SMS and automatically change your data plan higher if they catch you with a PDA. If I knew an insider at ATT I would try to get the "Smartphone exclusion" on all my lines but unless you have connections......SOL. But at least my Tilt 2 is on the $10/unlim plan

Yeah, I may be grandfathered, since I've been with them so long, and I changed over to the $15 unlimited plan about 1.5 years ago. Now, things may simply not be that... well, simple.
Which is why I think I'm not going to go through the process of re-committing for another contract when this one is up (and continue to pay month by month), so they don't "catch" me down the road.
Debbie
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Yes, but that is not a guarantee anymore. ATT has on few and increasingly occasions been able to tell if you are using a non-branded HTC or the ATT version. You may also a grandfather clause on your line (ATT lists that as "Smartphone exclusion" under the included feature section of OLAM and my line has this as well. They will and by experience send a SMS and automatically change your data plan higher if they catch you with a PDA. If I knew an insider at ATT I would try to get the "Smartphone exclusion" on all my lines but unless you have connections......SOL. But at least my Tilt 2 is on the $10/unlim plan
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