Exact differences btw O2 XDAII ROMS 1.72.181 & 1.72.187 - Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking

The upgrade instructions from the O2 website are for v1.72.181 and say if you want the GPRS to stay on when you are making or receiving phone calls then you should use v1.72.187, but 1.72.187 is not compatible with the software they also offer for free to upgrade at the same time. What exactly is the difference between the two, and is 1.72.187 REALLY incompatible with the other software, or what? Does anyone who has v1.72.187 have experience with whether this really works or not, or what? I thought these phones only had one receiver, so how can it be tuned to receive two things at once, or is it just an automatic reconnect at the end of a phone call for the internet, etc? Does it depend upon the carrier you have for GPRS? Is the reconnection robust, or flaky? I don't want to use 1.72.187 if it isn't completely stable. And why isn't it compatible with the other software upgrades they offer at the same time, and where is the 1.72.187 upgrade, I can't find it anywhere on O2's website!?!?!

Firstly, there are minimal differences between the 2 ROMs; at present the 1.72.187 has been removed from O2's site, though I think SourceO2 still have it.
The essential difference is that 181 includes the new Blackberry client for those who want Push email etc. and 187 doesn't. There have been reports of some O2 resellers (like CPW) being unable to offer BB and Web access on the same account, which can be a problem, as the BB APN is essentially a WAP connection and won't allow POP3 email, or MSN access.
Both ROMS are compatible with the extra new programs- TrueFax, Zip and Fonix VoiceDial. The downloads of the ROM update are now IMEI checked, and the new apps check for an O2 UK V1.72 ROM.
The GPRS issue is not important for most users- the disconnect while on a phone call only operates for non standard GPRS connections. Blackberry and normal GPRS will stay connected.
As you suggest, these devices only have 1 receiver, but GPRS is a service which works on top of the normal phone signal- like you can make domestic phone calls whilst using ADSL for surfing, so essentially both are using the same signal and tranceivers.
I have used 1.72.187 since the day it was released (I chose this as I don't need Blackberry) and it has been very stable. The add-ons installed and ran OK, but I don't use Fax or voice dialling, so have since deleted them.
BTW- to use the fax software, you need to ask O2 Customer Services to issue you with a dedicated fax number on your account- this is free of charge and is added to your existing SIM card, and you just pay for calls as normal on that line.

Thanks for your information. I can't find the .187 ROM anywhere, even on source02. Anyway, I am in the middle of upgrading to the .182 ROM. Here is my situation: I have a SIM card I got from T-Mobile when I purchased an XDA I from them about 18 months ago. About 9 months ago I purchased an XDA II (new) on Ebay, the seller told me it was unlocked, it wasn't. Anyway, I found and successfully used the xda2unlock program on this web site and have been happy with it ever since, with the same SIM card and the same contract from T-Mobile. Now I am running the .182 upgrade, wish me luck!

Is .182 a T-Mobile ROM? I haven't heard of this version in UK. If your XDA II was originally not from O2, then you may not be able to access any O2 ROM's, as the downloader now checks the IMEI number for a genuine O2 device.

I upgraded the Pocket PC with no ptoblem to .182. No, as I was saying above, I purchased the unit from Ebay, it is a tru O2 XDAII. Everything is working fine.

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Blackberry for XDA2s

Has anyone got any news on this topic, 02 say January?
How about a search on this site? A great number of us have been using BB service since 1.72.181 came out.
BB for Blue Angel... not XDAII
Dear k_kirk,
I believe that houssie was looking for BB for Blue Angel (since he posted his question on the BA forum), not for the XDAII serie (an 1.72 is clearly an XDAII rom).
I am looking for that too.
You're right of course. Apologies to Houssi & all offended.
I've been in touch with O2 who advise they are planning on a ROM upgrade at the beginning of next year to include Blackberry Support for the XDA IIs.
I was in a store in Glasgow and they advised to download the XDA II rom as this is effectively the same(!) but needless to say I didnt download it and sought advice from O2 Data support.
T-Mobile are only pushing Blackberry on the RIM devices at present, no idea if they are planning on extending to the MDA and Orange are just trialling Blackberry with the business customers at present - again no information on the SPV.
On a sidenote, it took almost 6 phone calls to various "customer service" individuals until I got a definitive answer.
Also, does anyone know if Vodafone are releasing their version anytime soon as the Company I work for use Vodafone and I'm pretty sure they'd be interested in it.
Thanks
D
justa little note that i have a xda2 device with blackberry on it. could someone tell me what its for?
numanoids said:
T-Mobile are only pushing Blackberry on the RIM devices at present, no idea if they are planning on extending to the MDA and Orange are just trialling Blackberry with the business customers at present - again no information on the SPV.
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FWIW, T-Mobile DE just released the BlackBerry Connect software for their MDA II's, so hopefully that's a good sign for the rest of the T-Mobile international companies!
whufc77 said:
justa little note that i have a xda2 device with blackberry on it. could someone tell me what its for?
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Its 'push' software for email, it'll send your mail rather than having to dial up and sync with your mail account
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Blackberry and XDA IIs
Is there an alternative to Blackberry for the XDA IIs in the meantime. I was using BB on my XDA and is was excellent - having just upgraded to the IIs, and found no Blackberry I'm in a slight dilemma.
celtic
See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=14927
Unfortunately, the demo its offering appears to be scheduled retrieve rather than push - although if you go onto the smartner website, O2 UK is listed as being a partner. Strangely enough there's nothing on the O2 website about them or the service.
I've signed up to the demo and it seems ok, although I'm not convinced.
Oh and the demo will only allow you IMAP or Pop3 access, no desktop client or anything for corporate email.
Maybe once O2 offer it properly it will be a proper push service.
Have you looked at O2's xmail? Again its a retrieval service, although they're offering a 3 month free trial and it will hook into your existing exchange environment by way of a desktop connector - downside is that your pc has to be on permanently for the service to stay connected.
http://www.o2.co.uk/xmail
Cheers
Ok, I'll give the smartner a bash - got to be worth trying for three monthst - by then, maybe BB will be available on the IIs
Thanks
Ahhhhh.....seems to work....interesting.
Only allows one email account though :-( Shame!!!!
Give xmail a bash - its not restricted to O2 customers from what I've read in the [email protected] on the pages, and you can add up to two other accounts to that for it to poll them for you.
Just about to test it meself, I'll let you know what happens - problem [email protected] got is that my SSL certificate is self signed and their servers dont like it - time to enable non-ssl comms i think.
Added my home email to the xmail profile, but it still only accesses the part of the setup thats connected to the desktop connector.
It is possible to access the other mail via the web portal, but not much point since I can just configure it via pocket inbox.
Roll on Blackberry
Tried xmail when it first came out - was a bit flaky to say the least. And of course you needed the desktop client to be running for your XDA to get the mail!!!! Which is no good for me.
Like you say - bring on the BB rom update - cannot be that far away now really - especially as it works on the XDA II - how different can it be!!!!!
t-mobile releases blackberry for MDA III
t-mobile has released an update to the MDA III with blackberry i"m using it and it's great note that the rom is 1.22.01GER I tried loading the cab to the english 1.22.00 wwe but it doesn't work. iT DOES DOWNLOADING OF ATTACHMENTS and calendar updates over the air.
I take it you have subscribed to a T-mobile blackberry data plan?
Oooooo sounds interesting...not sure I want to learn German though for the use of Blackberry!!!!!
Yes, the 02 version on XDA II will do attachments too - very cool indeed.
We just need 02 to get themselves into gear and release a rom update!
Not sure if you've seen it elsewhere on the site, but apparently O2 havent arranged a support contract with RIM, so until they do I suspect we may be waiting.
But if they can do it for the XDA II then they must have something in place for it!!!!!
I have emailed a few people I know at 02 this evening to try and establish what the state of play is.
Quite frankly the more I think about it, I can see me sending the IIs back to them within 14days!!!

News on T-Mobile MDA III (UK) Rom Update

rI am told by a reliable and senior source within T-Mobile UK that they are shortly releasing a further ROM Upgrade. Thank heavens for that :wink:
And before everyone says that they have already upgraded etc.. this is of specific importance to:
1 Those who don't feel comfortable puting a different ROM on; or
2 Those like me who use Blackberry which won't work with any radio other than 1.0 and 1.6 (unofficial confimation).
Anyway watch this space because I am told end of June will be
the date. Please also pass on this news through the other fora as a lot of users are posting wanting to know about T-Mobile MDA III updates.
Thanks
J
Thanks for that info - I wait in anticipation.
Do you know any details of what issues the new ROM will address? Does it have WMP10?
MDA Unlocked ?
Jiggy
I notice your signature mentions Tmobile MDA III Unlocked.
Havin just got one yesterday I want to look to doing bloody everything on it.
Firstly, use it a a phone.
2nd - Sync it with my Mailbox on Our Exchange 2003 server which is fully accessible from the Internet. - I' think i understand that to access this server, i need to use GPRS (and also seen how expensive it is - 7.50perMb).
But what/why do i see all this unlocking terminology on these boards.
I assume there are benefits ? if so could you tell me what.
Thanks in advance.
David.
The "Unlocked" simply refers to the phone being either locked to a single provider (E.g. TMobile etc) or able to accept SIM cards from any telecoms provider. If you put a different telecom providers SIM card in your phone it either works or displays a locked message with a request to put an unlock code in.
A great number of supplied Blue Angels (And other XDA type devices) are being shipped locked to the provider who supplies it. For people who are travelling abroad and use foreign SIM cards or people who simply want to swap SIM card for a different provider are stopped from doing so.
This I feel is a very annoying situation as most providers lock you into a 1 year contract if the phone is subsidised and then refuse to provide an unlock code for that year. This is unacceptable and is simply a money generating exercise in these situations (Providers will tell you it is to stop people purchasing the phone and then disappearing with it without paying but they can block the IMEI number of the phone to stop this anyway!)
Hopefully that answers your question and allowed me to have a little rant!
Jiggy
Thanks. Totally agree with your comments.
David.
MDA III Updates/Unlocked
As regards the post quering my device being unlocked - T-Mobile UK will unlock one of its devices for £15 after 1 month's use. They did not make me wait for 12 months (the term of my contract). I happily paid this, as it is a relatively modest amount, compared to buying out the contract :shock:. They are one of the cellcos in the UK who will do this.
On the updates thread I will keep everyone updated. My contact as much as admitted that they view this site as a helpful way of getting the updates to end users. So unofficial Kudos, as always, to xda-developers
Regards J
Re: MDA III Updates/Unlocked
Jiggy said:
My contact as much as admitted that they view this site as a helpful way of getting the updates to end users. So unofficial Kudos, as always, to xda-developers
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So he has worked out were he can download the cabs to install in the T-mobile Ext Rom, think he will be able to download a radio version that is newer?
I can also confirm this as the nice man at t-mobile who assisted me with enabling blackberry last friday told me that there is a patch coming soon., and that we should be informed by service message
MdA III user
LOL and Bump I like your thinking MDA III User . Good to hear from you haven't spoken in ages. You never know they may just about have taken the hint. :lol:
I am one of those high maintenance customers but I spend a fair amount so they humour me!!
J
Hi,
does anyone know what level the update will go to as I am unsure whether to wait for it or just go ahead and upgrade to 1.40 now cos I really cant be bothered to do it twice if the tmobile one is going to be better somehow :?
Any help would be appreciated
i spoek to t mobile last week while sorting out my mda 3 and they said that they thought the update would be about in september. She said that they were currently doing testing on it before the release.
however, she promised me that when available it woud be published here!
www.t-mobile.de/blackberry_solution/support/english
username: tmobileuk
password: tmukbbcorp
Currently they have the rom i am running.
Keep your eyes peeled for it!
Thanks for the link I have updatred wiki
Any more news on this subject??
T-Mobile have gone silent
My contact at T-Mobile has gone silent on me. Despite voice mails and emails requesting an update on a) what is in and b) release date of an update. Never a good sign :?
Can all T-Mobile customers start bugging them with me as this is the only way to raise the priority of this issue.
We still do not have WMP10 or an updated radio stack (you cannnot use BB connect with anything other than 1.0). Although with the no sound problem on certain ROMs perhaps we should be thankful!
Stength and safety in numbers on this one :wink:
I've been checking this link weekly since this thread began with no joy. Now even the link no longer works! I gues this won't be happening then!
it works
you should go on connect and then mda3 then rom upgrade and download it

I surrender! I can’t take it! Can U Help?!

I’ve had enough. I can’t take it anymore. I have a Blue Angel—an IMATEPDA2K unlocked device for goodlink push e-mail and to work as a converged device.
The device has not worked since mid July. I have tried EVERYTHING to get this device to work on T-mobile’s network. I’m not a novice. I’ve used every HTC device made. I started with PDAs in 1994 with Sharp. I’ve had an HP 690, a PPCPE XDA-I the current XDA-II, and the bottom line is this: I NEED MY GOODLINK PUSH E-MAIL TO WORK AND IT DOESN’T!!!
If you are connected in the USA to the t-mobile GPRS network at internet3.voicestream.com, then the phone will not recieve or place a call. You will get the e-mail, but no phone calls. If you use internet.2.voicestream.com, then you cannot connect to data, but can make phone calls once the data connection fails.
The device is incapble of suspending gprs to take a call or make a call and re-establishing gprs connectivity for push blackberry/goodlink e-mail after a gsm call.
I'll convert it to cdma if anyone has had a positive experience, but it does mean giving up the use in Europe. (Note--if you're in Europe you probably don't have the same issues as the devices are carrier supported there more than here. T-mobile does not suppport this device in the USA, but they do support it in Europe).
I have started with the original shipped ROM certified with goodlink. I have a warranty exchange. I have upgraded to 1.40 and cooked the ROM and downgraded the caller id version to build 1.17. I have then again downgraded the ROM version to the shipped version.
NOTHING—and I mean NOTHING will make this device stable. I give up. I surrender. I am returning this device to the manufacturer and calling American Express (I bought the device from “On the go Solutions” in Chicago as an unlocked device that Dovid Feldman SWORE would work with goodlink and T-mobile!) and telling them it does not work as advertised and I want my money back under the buyers assurance program.
Here’s what I learned: everyone in my company who has a standalone goodlink handset and a standalone cell phone is fine. Everyone who uses a converged device—be it TREO or HTC—is screwed.
I spend on average three hours a day, four to five times a week rebuilding this device from scratch and the phone portion still doesn’t work. When I can’t get my e-mail or make a phone call, it’s not a thousand dollar handset—it’s a brick.
If you can make this thing work and make it work with goodlink on t-mobile or any other network, and I can get my push e-mail I want to hear from you. My company is about to consolidate and we’re going to buy hundreds of handsets and contracts for mobile professionals. Reliability and serviceability matters.
I am sending this device back and getting my money back. A thousand dollars is too much for a device that is a lousy phone, a worse e-mail delivery handset and that needs to be rebuilt form scratch every 24 hours.
I don’t mind doing my own development and tech support, but I expect… no, I DEMAND the device remain stable for longer than 24 hours.
If you think there’s a way to make an HTC device work with push e-mail I want to hear from you—and not on this forum—at Richard.d’[email protected]
If this device can work, I want to know. If it’s just not stable or possible to do push technologies on this, I want to know that too.
Please let me know soon as I will send the device back soon, and get my money back.
I am willing to but locked versions, on Verizon or Sprint for CDMA, T-mobile or cingular on GPRS and GSM, unlocked versions if they work.
I have used goodlink version 3.7, and ROM version 1.40, the original ROM version and cooked the ROM downgrading the caller ID to eliminate the gprs disconnect problem. Nothing works. Nothing.
The device will not connect to T-mobile gprs (sometimes this is network related), and when it DOES it will not receive or make phone calls. EVER. The phone call simply fails to make the call and will not receive or transmit calls. A hard reset and setting all parameters again (DAILY) is the only remedy (and no I've flashed the ROM and re-installed the ROM upgrades three times today, and the problem persists).
I’d rather carry eight devices on my belt that all do ONE THING well.
A lot of money rides on this decision. If you can help, I want to hear from you.
I dont think it is really up to this forum to convince you one way or the other. Having read your text I would have no hesitation in returning the device and also scatching HTC from your list of future providers of phone/pda technology. Your experience speaks for itself, the device isnt fit for the purpose, send it back and find something that does work for you.
Not looking to be convinced--looking for a fix...
I take your point, but I am not looking to be convinced. My intent is to find out is there is a work around that people simply don't advertise.
If there is indeed a stable ROM version for this pupose--push goodlink e-mail and telephony on a GSM GPRS network I haven't seen it. I'm willing to use it, I just don't think it exists.

02 XDA Exec in the UK

...does anyone know if and when 02 are going to release a new ROM for the Exec?
I've had mine running now for a while with the Blackberry Connect software and it's not what you call stable. The service stops for no reason, or hangs or simply wont connect, I have to reset frequently.
I used an 02 Mini-S for a while and that was rock solid... shame the Exec isn't.
Thats the million dollar question.
Various posts about this with no answer.
I emailed O2 a week or 2 ago asking the very same thing. I did get an answer which basically said they don't know with no plans. O2 Cust service said they usually know a few months in advance but haven't heard anything.
How long is a peice of string????
mrbrightside1977 said:
Thats the million dollar question.
Various posts about this with no answer.
I emailed O2 a week or 2 ago asking the very same thing. I did get an answer which basically said they don't know with no plans. O2 Cust service said they usually know a few months in advance but haven't heard anything.
How long is a peice of string????
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...our company got them just as they'd released the Blackberry Connect update, got that hot off the press straight from 02.
It's not such a bad piece of kit, the only wobbles I have are with the BB functionality and the phone... but then again as I said previously, the Mini-S was faultless...
davidUK said:
...our company got them just as they'd released the Blackberry Connect update, got that hot off the press straight from 02.
It's not such a bad piece of kit, the only wobbles I have are with the BB functionality and the phone... but then again as I said previously, the Mini-S was faultless...
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Guess your company should of pressured O2 into confirm/agreeing upgrade commitment contract etc...
Sorry, I wished O2 were better ie they release some great phones/PDA devices but still think of them as 12 month contract phones. Don't see the big picture.
Company I work for (one of the big banks in the UK) where trialing the XDA EXEC but couldn't really get what they wanted from O2.
Shame as all IT guys love the machine - just software was a bit pants.
mrbrightside1977 said:
Guess your company should of pressured O2 into confirm/agreeing upgrade commitment contract etc...
Sorry, I wished O2 were better ie they release some great phones/PDA devices but still think of them as 12 month contract phones. Don't see the big picture.
Company I work for (one of the big banks in the UK) where trialing the XDA EXEC but couldn't really get what they wanted from O2.
Shame as all IT guys love the machine - just software was a bit pants.
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...feel enclined to agree... it would have been useful to be able to browse the web on them, but they tell us as we're on a Blackberry tariff Internet access is unavailable... tried several technical work arounds to no avail.
Odd really, previously we had some T-Mobile MDAIII's with Blackberry functionality and we could browse the web with them quite well.
We were hoping for some kind of Terminal Services remote control of our services over a VPN of some description with the Exec..but the lack of Internet access on them put a stop to that.
I don't think, this is a problem specifically with the O2 company. I beleive the entire HTC Universal device provider whether O2, IMate, TMobile, QTEK, etc... HAS NO PLANS OF RELEASING ANY ROM UPDATE FROM NOW ON. Why? To them, our device is a thing of the past. They are concentrating more on their current NEW or UPCOMING devices.
cktlcmd said:
I don't think, this is a problem specifically with the O2 company. I beleive the entire HTC Universal device provider whether O2, IMate, TMobile, QTEK, etc... HAS NO PLANS OF RELEASING ANY ROM UPDATE FROM NOW ON. Why? To them, our device is a thing of the past. They are concentrating more on their current NEW or UPCOMING devices.
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...I'll not be too impressed if thats the case. I think the latest 02 device is the Orbit, looks ok, only seen it on the website though.
davidUK said:
...feel enclined to agree... it would have been useful to be able to browse the web on them, but they tell us as we're on a Blackberry tariff Internet access is unavailable... tried several technical work arounds to no avail.
Odd really, previously we had some T-Mobile MDAIII's with Blackberry functionality and we could browse the web with them quite well.
We were hoping for some kind of Terminal Services remote control of our services over a VPN of some description with the Exec..but the lack of Internet access on them put a stop to that.
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We decided to scrap the BlackBerries in favour of Mini S and Execs. That effectively brings in Exchange Push E-mail synchronisation, Phone Service and Internet access as well... not to say you can install GPS Sat Nav on them and other good things.
Granted, I had to understand how to make a Certificate Based Authentication to comply to the Corporate Policy, and having strong password is a real pain in the proverbial -- but still it beats all devices.
My only grudge against Exec is not so much free RAM; as a result Navigon MN|5 requires a reboot beforehand if you're going somewhere far - to prevent nasty surprises during the trip (esp. considering the goddam strong password which you can't enter with your finger...)
cktlcmd said:
I don't think, this is a problem specifically with the O2 company. I beleive the entire HTC Universal device provider whether O2, IMate, TMobile, QTEK, etc... HAS NO PLANS OF RELEASING ANY ROM UPDATE FROM NOW ON. Why? To them, our device is a thing of the past. They are concentrating more on their current NEW or UPCOMING devices.
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... Which is really SHAME, because there are so far NO "New" or "Upcoming" Phone Edition devices with VGA screen... Universal is one of a kind. Granted there are VGA devices with GPS - but no phone; or nice phones with GPS - but only QVGA or even 240*240 screen.
We've paid shedload of money and... once again guys, tough, go buy another one. ARRRRGHHH!!!!
Or shall we?
Screw this.
I guess during the Christmas holidays I'll just go and try one of the ROMs that can be found here - got nothing to lose and all to gain, and a good experience of flashing ROMs on previous XDA II Himalaya.
If these hold Push E-mail updates, screw the O2 updates altogether.

O2 XDA Orbit on T-Mobile Web'n'Walk - Possible?

I have a CID unlocked XDA Orbit, and was looking at the T-Mobile Web'n'Walk contract packages.
I have spoken to T-Mobile, who assure me the Web'n'Walk contract will ONLY work with certain (ie their own) T-Mobile Web'n'Walk compatable handsets.
They have stated this is because to the the Web'n'Walk connection can only be made using the Web'n'Walk application (included with compatable handsets) and is the only way to connect, and that manual settings for this particular package are not available.
But as my phone is unlocked, would flashing with a T-Mobile ROM (from the MDA compact for example) fix this problem? Come to think of it, would installing the Web'n'Walk application (from a T-Mobile extended rom) work?
Has anyone tried this? How was it done? Or is T-Mobile simply talking out of their hat!
Also, what do you guys (and gals) think of the Web'n'Walk service, is it any cop?
T-Mobile know nothing.
There is no T-Mobile application. There wasn't one on my MDA Compact III when I bought it from them, and there certainly isn't now I'm using Tupisdin's WM6 3.5 ROM. The device uses the standard Pocket Internet Explorer, or will happily run Opera Mobile.
You don't need to flash a ROM, the O2 one will work fine with the right settings, but a WM6 ROM is better, if you are happy to flash it anyway.
Web and Walk is great, all you can eat data and no hunting for WiFi hotspots, I just wish the Artemis was 3g. Roll on the Polaris.
Oh and the Manual settings that "Aren't available" are on their website, you just enter a valid T-Mobile phone number and look for setting up MMS manually, it will take you to a page that lists the GPRS and MMS settings.
(Edit: Back off T-Mobile or I shall taunt you some more)
Cheers!
Thanks for an excellent, quick and concise response!
I can confirm this as well.
I'm using a Orbit on the Flex 20 with Web N Walk. If your looking to save then T-Mobile to a Sim Only deal for £7.50 a month and unlimited data for another £7.
Personally I'm about to switch to O2 then back to T-Mobile after a couple of months to take advantage of the deal.

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