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cingular selling sx66 unlocked?

i read in some forums that cingular is selling the sx66 for 650 USD.
Are they locked?
If so, can they be unlocked?
Where can i buy one, unlocked?
thanks.

Cingular was (and may still be) selling them unlocked, assuming you can find one in stock -- demand's been quite high. I managed to pick one up 3 weeks ago, not long after they came out, and it's unlocked.
There have been some rumors over at HoFo that Cingular may start locking the SX66, but nothing concrete yet.

My SX66 came unlocked. There are also rumors that cingular is pulling the SX66. People on hofo have reported telesales calling the SX66 defective and it seems to be nolonger available on cingular's website (from my zip code)

Talked to an honest Cingular sales rep who told me they were told to tell people there was a software problem. He said he spoke to someone in corporate who told him the manufacturer didn't do something they were suppose to do before shipping. From his conversation it appeared to him they forgot to lock them. The sales rep was trying to get one for himself before they lock it up.

john said:
i read in some forums that cingular is selling the sx66 for 650 USD.
Are they locked?
If so, can they be unlocked?
Where can i buy one, unlocked?
thanks.
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I got my SX66 the other day and tried an old T-Mobile chip in it. It DID NOT seem to be locked. I am going to test it again with my sisters SIM chip, which is active.
JA

Mine came unlocked...
... and I was told that it was locked when I bought it... some of these sales people are so clueless!

I got mine unlocked.
I have heard of the locking rumors, but my opinion is that they yanked it because it had the ability to share the network connection with a laptop (or other computer). Given that the Treo650 devices have has DUN disabled, this seems more plausible
the SX66 is no longer listed online. you might be able to get it from a local store but at this point you might need to look hard.

I don't know for the SX66 (got mine unlocked in december), but Cingular has started locking their worldphones.
I bought an unlocked MPx220 in late november. I returned it early january and the new one was locked. A Cingular rep confirmed that they are locking everything now (including the worldphones, which they didn't do before).
Note that most people (including me with my MPx220) have had luck getting their phone unlocked by Cingular. You just need to send them email. Look on HoFo for more info.
So if you're planning on being a Cingular customer and just need it unlocked for the future or when you travel, it shouldn't matter because Cingular will most likely unlock it for you.
If you want to buy it and use it with a different provider, it's different. There is anecdotal evidence that you can ask a friend with a Cingular account to send the email for you and it has worked.
Laurent

I authored the info on HoFo,
Just to save you a trip, the information was written before the merger with AT&T. I do not know if their unlocking policy is the same as before, but it is worth a try. You might need to be a customer, in good standing, for a "small" period of time before you can get it unlocked.
My experience with unlocking T-mobile phones was not goof - the customer service employees did not know what they were talking about.

Which SX66? AT&T or Cingular? There is a Differnce!

I just received my new Siemens SX66 from my Cingular provider. I tried to upgrade to the 1.33.110 firmware from the Siemens Website and got an invalid Country ID Error. In Contacting Siemens, they said that I have an AT&T variant version of the SX66...
So my Question is, since AT&T does not really Exist anymore, will my AT&T Variant SX66 be supported by Siemens/Cingular?? Should I return the phone and switch to a Cingular Plan?
I dont want to be stuck with a phone I cant upgrade or be forced to toss because they get rid of the AT&T SIM Cards or something...
Thanks,
Scott<-

In a word, yes.
If there is in fact a difference, then you're likely going to continue to have problems, unless and until Siemens makes modifications to the ROM to allow your unit to update.
If you are/were with AT&T, and then got absorbed by Cingular due to the buy-out, the quickest way to an answer is to return your current unit, and then "switch" providers to Cingular and get the SX66 from them.
I hope that helps. Good luck!

Thank you for your reply.... I had a feeling that this might happen. )-;
Now after all the people I know and have spoken with at Cingular/AT&T, there is no one who will understand my issue to help me out... I'm sure of it...
Any Advice?

Yeah... scream and yell until someone listens. Talk to managers and supervisors. Talk to regional/district managers... Talk to Level 2 tech support.. Someone there MUST listen. If they don't, return everything, import a PDA2k or XDAIII from O2 via eXpansys USA and then pop your SIM in the slot. That's what I did... Cingular doesn't even know, and doesn't NEED to know what phone I'm using. They've said that much themselves.

$15 Media Net on Touch Pro 2

Currently I have the $15 Media Net Unlimited on my WM phone. If I get a Tilt 2 from ebay will I still be able to continue unlimited internet at this rate?

Possibly. Your best bet would be to keep a non-touchscreen smartphone around in case you need to call up AT&T and complain if/when they tack on the PDA Unlimited.
I'm currently using my Tilt2 with the $20 Smartphone Connect plan, and it works just fine, but I haven't gone a full billing cycle yet.

If that EBay unit is unlocked, I think you can just slide your old SIM into it and you are good it go. I swap my SIM between my old RAZR and Tilt and Tilt2 all the time. My understanding is the SIM (Subscriber Identification Module) tells the tower who you are and not which phone you are using.
Hope that helps.

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If that EBay unit is unlocked, I think you can just slide your old SIM into it and you are good it go. I swap my SIM between my old RAZR and Tilt and Tilt2 all the time. My understanding is the SIM (Subscriber Identification Module) tells the tower who you are and not which phone you are using.
Hope that helps.
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Wrong, your IMEI is transmitted to the tower as well. If AT&T sold you your phone, they'll know what device it is. They have a database of ALL of the IMEI's of all AT&T branded phones. If you got an unlocked Touch Pro 2 (not Tilt 2), you could easily get away with the $15 plan. However, the second you try sticking your SIM into a Tilt 2, it will detect your phone as a Tilt 2.

i have a tilt2 and the 15$ plan... i also had the 15$ plan on my fuze, and tilt. i had the 10$ unlimited plan on my 8525, 8125, angel, and mpx220
never had any issues.

WillardZ said:
If that EBay unit is unlocked, I think you can just slide your old SIM into it and you are good it go. I swap my SIM between my old RAZR and Tilt and Tilt2 all the time. My understanding is the SIM (Subscriber Identification Module) tells the tower who you are and not which phone you are using.
Hope that helps.
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If AT&T is the same as T-Mobile than that last statement may not be true. I'm on T-Mobile and I have a G1 and I tried to cheat the system and claim that I had lost my G1 so they could send me another one under my insurance (I know, it was wrong but at least I wasn't trying to get it FREE..I was going to pay the deductible of $130) but anyways, I put the "lost phone" claim in online (which is how T-Mo makes you put in claims now) then I had to call in a few hours later to finish the claim. (o yea, I forgot to mention that my dumb ass had taken out the SIM card and put it in an old Nokia phone I had laying around and still used the phone for a few hours after putting in the claim online before thinking maybe I should turn off the phone so they don't see "traffic" on the SIM card) The rep took some info from me then put me on hold telling me he had to check the "system." He came back on the phone and told me he couldn't put the claim in on the "G1" because at the time that I put the online claim in, the SIM card for my G1 was not in my G1 so yea..I think it is possible that they can tell what phone your SIM card is installed in.

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Wrong, your IMEI is transmitted to the tower as well. If AT&T sold you your phone, they'll know what device it is. They have a database of ALL of the IMEI's of all AT&T branded phones. If you got an unlocked Touch Pro 2 (not Tilt 2), you could easily get away with the $15 plan. However, the second you try sticking your SIM into a Tilt 2, it will detect your phone as a Tilt 2.
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what if I change the IMEI? I think i remember seeing a method to do so on this forum a long time ago

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what if I change the IMEI?
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That is illegal. I wouldn't try it.
I had been using an ebay purchased TYTN II, and had the $15 plan for almost 2 years. Never had a problem. With the purchase of my TILT 2 from ATT, they made me update the data plan.

They'll detect the Tilt 2 as your phone, but they haven't seemed to auto-update any plans that I've seen. I'm still on my Media Net plan after having the phone for a week.

Old data plans
I had a discussion with a customer service rep about this a few weeks ago. He told me explicitly that they are just looking to make sure that all new Tilt 2 users have a data plan and that people who already have a data plan (even if it's not the PDA plan) would be grandfathered in with their old plan. This is just one conversation with a customer service rep, so he may (not) have known what he was talking about. Anybody else confirm this information elsewhere?

Can Carrier Identify What Type of Device I Have After I Unlock it?

The question is the title... can T-Mobile identify that I have a T-Mobile branded Touch Pro II after I unlock it with the OliNex unlocker? Do they verify the type of phone off of the IMEI or is it something different? I'm on a grandfathered $5.99 T-Zones plan that works fantastically, but I don't want to have to pay $25 bucks a month for a data plan if I buy my wife a TP2 from T-Mobile. Anyone know how to get the TP2 to work on T-Mobile on the new $10/month plan?

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The question is the title... can T-Mobile identify that I have a T-Mobile branded Touch Pro II after I unlock it with the OliNex unlocker? Do they verify the type of phone off of the IMEI or is it something different? I'm on a grandfathered $5.99 T-Zones plan that works fantastically, but I don't want to have to pay $25 bucks a month for a data plan if I buy my wife a TP2 from T-Mobile. Anyone know how to get the TP2 to work on T-Mobile on the new $10/month plan?
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I know the only way to avoid this on ATT is to get a non ATT version, The carriers scan for imei and if it is in their data base then they can tell, if it is not then they cant tell what device it is

No matter WHAT phone you have, whether it is from China or not, phone companies can see your IMEI and it usually tells them what phone you have.
I have the $5.99 T-zones since April 2009 and I purchased my TP2 in December. So far, I have seen my account online show that I am using a TP2 about 6 times.
What I do is just change it to show it is a Motorola V3, but it will change by itself again.
It doesn't seem like it matters at this point, so you should be safe. This is coming from a guy that uses quite a lot of data per day

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No matter WHAT phone you have, whether it is from China or not, phone companies can see your IMEI and it usually tells them what phone you have.
I have the $5.99 T-zones since April 2009 and I purchased my TP2 in December. So far, I have seen my account online show that I am using a TP2 about 6 times.
What I do is just change it to show it is a Motorola V3, but it will change by itself again.
It doesn't seem like it matters at this point, so you should be safe. This is coming from a guy that uses quite a lot of data per day
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I am currently using my TMO branded TP2 on an old T-zones plan and it works perfectly. When I put my wife's SIM in the TP2, it gives me the error, "This device is not compatible with your data plan." She has the $10 data plan for her AT&T branded Tilt (which their system cannot identify). So my question is, is there a way around paying $25.00/month for data with a T-Mobile branded phone?
Maybe I could modify my IMEI somehow to one of my old phones that I don't use any more, or to the IMEI of my wife's Kaisers since we won't be using it any more. Is there any way to do that?
Please don't refer to Vijay's post. It's been done 1000 times and he actually makes a point in his post that it is obviously something the developers here would consider because it was done for the Wizard already. It's not because I have a stolen phone so don't even suggest it.
Does anybody know a solution?

HTC Tilt 8925 phone on eBay

Right now I am using a basic Nokia 6030. If I buy an HTC Tilt 8925 off of eBay, do I have to buy the data plan from AT&T even if it is unlocked?

How does have anything to do with Touch Pro 2 ROM development?

I have no idea, sorry!

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To answer your question, from what I've read and heard, yes. However, if you have an unlocked device (non-AT&T branded phone) then you won't.

Would there be any chance I could know how I can unlock the 8925?

Even if you unlock the Tilt 2, it's still an AT&T branded phone. They'd recognize your IMEI number as such and force the data plan on you. The only way around this would be to either import an unlocked TP2, or use an unlocked TP2 from another US carrier. An important issue you'd have with an unlocked US TP2 is that it wouldn't be compatible with AT&T's 3g data band, so your data speeds would be stuck on EDGE.
EDIT: I should also mention that in your particular situation (since you don't want data on the phone), using an unlocked TP2 from the US would be ideal. The reason being is that it will be much cheaper than importing an unlocked phone from overseas. I suppose my initial explanation was more geared to try and clarify the general subject.

If using any TP2 it would most likely be recognised by ATT and be charged the data plan. See Hofo Nexus One thread for more details. Also some may not work on ATT 3G, for example TMO TP2 will not work with ATT 3G.

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If using any TP2 it would most likely be recognised by ATT and be charged the data plan. See Hofo Nexus One thread for more details. Also some may not work on ATT 3G, for example TMO TP2 will not work with ATT 3G.
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If it's got the 8925 branding that's specifically the AT&T version. Still not the TP2/Tilt2 though is it? Thought 8925 was the Kaiser.

The 8925 is the unofficial name of the original Tilt (Kaiser). The only place it is used is under the battery cover. It isn't called 8925 in any manuals or other official texts.

The bottom line is if ATT sells it and even if you buy a EUR version then ATT will probably still recognize the phone. They are getting smarter.
I have a code on one of my lines exempting me from the mandatory data plan since I had an HTC on that line before the rule came out, but my wife's line got dinged for this about a month ago, since then I changed to a dumb phone for her and removed the data. If I was to loose my exemption I would go to TMO.

OP, you want to post to the forum below, not the Tilt2 forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=377

wpbear said:
The bottom line is if ATT sells it and even if you buy a EUR version then ATT will probably still recognize the phone. They are getting smarter.
I have a code on one of my lines exempting me from the mandatory data plan since I had an HTC on that line before the rule came out, but my wife's line got dinged for this about a month ago, since then I changed to a dumb phone for her and removed the data. If I was to loose my exemption I would go to TMO.
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I currently have a Tilt 2 (from Ebay), prior it was a Kaiser (Tilt from AT&T), and before that a Blue Angel (Siemens SX66 from AT&T).
I was forced to get the PDA data plan when I got my Kaiser from them. I later told them it suffered an untimely death, switched to a flip phone, and changed the internet over to the smaller package. I put my sim back into my Kaiser and internet is working fine, I am still being charged the smaller package, and my phone comes up as the Blue Angel when I log into their web. LOL!
The only way around NOT getting the PDA plan is to NOT get the PDA from them (they've made it now mandatory). I've noticed that now they also made it mandatory to get the smaller internet/messaging package, if you get a phone from them that has a keyboard (either virtual or hard), regardless of whether you even want it. Not really the best incentive to get someone to commit to your plan or buy a device from them, is it? I'm thinking when my contract expires that I'll simply upgrade my phones on my own and keep paying the same for my service WITHOUT committing to another 2-year contract.
Getting a free or reduced price phone is just not worth spending that exorbitant amount on internet for 2 years.
Debbie

DebbieNY13 said:
I currently have a Tilt 2 (from Ebay), prior it was a Kaiser (Tilt from AT&T), and before that a Blue Angel (Siemens SX66 from AT&T).
I was forced to get the PDA data plan when I got my Kaiser from them. I later told them it suffered an untimely death, switched to a flip phone, and changed the internet over to the smaller package. I put my sim back into my Kaiser and internet is working fine, I am still being charged the smaller package, and my phone comes up as the Blue Angel when I log into their web. LOL!
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Yes, but that is not a guarantee anymore. ATT has on few and increasingly occasions been able to tell if you are using a non-branded HTC or the ATT version. You may also a grandfather clause on your line (ATT lists that as "Smartphone exclusion" under the included feature section of OLAM and my line has this as well. They will and by experience send a SMS and automatically change your data plan higher if they catch you with a PDA. If I knew an insider at ATT I would try to get the "Smartphone exclusion" on all my lines but unless you have connections......SOL. But at least my Tilt 2 is on the $10/unlim plan

Yeah, I may be grandfathered, since I've been with them so long, and I changed over to the $15 unlimited plan about 1.5 years ago. Now, things may simply not be that... well, simple.
Which is why I think I'm not going to go through the process of re-committing for another contract when this one is up (and continue to pay month by month), so they don't "catch" me down the road.
Debbie
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Yes, but that is not a guarantee anymore. ATT has on few and increasingly occasions been able to tell if you are using a non-branded HTC or the ATT version. You may also a grandfather clause on your line (ATT lists that as "Smartphone exclusion" under the included feature section of OLAM and my line has this as well. They will and by experience send a SMS and automatically change your data plan higher if they catch you with a PDA. If I knew an insider at ATT I would try to get the "Smartphone exclusion" on all my lines but unless you have connections......SOL. But at least my Tilt 2 is on the $10/unlim plan
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