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Has at&t turned off the 3g for att legacy customers (pre-cingular)?

I have an 8525 using an "old blue sim". I have been having problems connecting with the 3g network. "There is a problem connecting to the GPRS service in the roaming network you are in." I am able to make voice calls on the utms network, but I am unable to make a data connection.
I thought my phone had a problem, but I think it is ok. I have no problems connecting to the Edge signal just 3g. I have flashed my phone reflashed the roms and radio..
Is any one else having this problem?
I did call at&t and ask for help, but they would not even talk to me because they say they are not supporting "old blue" and I need to migrate to a new plan/sim.
This started about a month ago. I am not sure if flashing a rom maybe corrupted the radio?
Does this mean anything. Taken from the Hyper Core thread.
@PaY87
Yup, UMTS is one of the Third Generation (3G) mobile systems. I use Hypercore Kitchen, but I've removed the .rgu files from this rom so it won't be easy to rebuild it.
Anyone with an "old blue" sim still working on the 3g network?
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Scott

Scott, when I got my 8525 I was told I had to upgrade my sim to a 3G sim. I did and have had no problems since.
Jim

I was told they will not change my sim unless I change plans and migrate over to the new at&t. I have a great plan. I pay about 90.00 a month for two phones 1550 anytime minutes nights/weekends start at 7 and a unlimited mmode data plan on one phone. They had a great promotion at the time and I don't want to lose it.
Scott

Maddog468 said:
I was told they will not change my sim unless I change plans and migrate over to the new at&t. I have a great plan. I pay about 90.00 a month for two phones 1550 anytime minutes nights/weekends start at 7 and a unlimited mmode data plan on one phone. They had a great promotion at the time and I don't want to lose it.
Scott
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Unfortunatly for you the only way to change your SIM is to do what you said they said above. I have a friend that works at AT&T and he was tellign me about that not to long ago.
Just another Corporate manuever to capitalize gains within large companies, thats America for you
There are some great deals going on withen AT&T now and I'm sure If you talk to the right people (Store Managers, Customer Service Supervisors) they would set you up with a nice plan. don't upgrade the normal way, make sure you talk to someone and BE AGRESSIVE!!!

This might answer your problem,
The Boy Genius Report
Yesterday, December 26, 2007, 5:17:26 PM
Analog bids Adieu
Yesterday, December 26, 2007, 5:17:26 PM | Joshua Karp
2008 is going to be a sad year for anyone that still remembers the early days of mobile technology. Not only is the TDMA band, currently the massive monkey on AT&T’s back, set to go black, but it looks like the old school analog cellular network will also be put to rest. Analog has remained in use primarily due to its presence in rural areas that have yet to reap the benefits of the "shiny new" digital network. With the seemingly exponential increase in signal penetration by America’s wireless carriers, however, it seems that the analog bands have run their course. Fewer than 1% of phones currently in use are functioning on the analog network, but if you suspect that your handset might be one of them now would be a good time to check. As many as 500,000 GM On-Star-equipped vehicles will also be affected.
Link;
http://www.chicagotribune.com/servi.../friday/chi-cellular_webdec21,0,1030571.story
and
http://www.chicagotribune.com/servi...iday/chi-cellularbox_webdec21,0,6053828.story

just a suggestion but I went to a walmart that sold ATT phones and bought a new sim for $26. some change, and called att and got them to register it for me on my phone # without any problems. Now I have a 3G sim.

jonrobertd said:
just a suggestion but I went to a walmart that sold ATT phones and bought a new sim for $26. some change, and called att and got them to register it for me on my phone # without any problems. Now I have a 3G sim.
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Thanks. I never thought of that maybe I will give it a try today. You just went into a store and asked for a replacement sim paid 26 bucks and your 3g has been working with on "old blue" account?
Thanks
Scott

I too have a similar issue.
I am using a 3G sim card and have an 8525 but don't have the data connect plan. Instead since I bought the phone outright I went into the store and added the Media Net unlimited Plan. Worked flawlessly on the 3G network this past year then all of sudden last week I noticed it will only connect at EDGE. Maybe there catching on to this not sure but it seems interesting all of a sudden.
O.k. sorry for the detour back to your subject. I actually had the older sim card like you earlier this year and bought one of of eBay to upgrade. They were about half the price on there as Cingy store. Then just take in to any AT&T store and they can swap your sims, at least it could be done in the past.
Good luck.

I went to two at&t stores today. I asked if I could have a replacement sim. No problem untill they looked at my account. It had "old blue" written all over it. Both stores said that they were unable to give me a new sim. One guy even showed me the computer screen. The only link that worked on the whole page was the UPGRADE button. They could not even change it even if he wanted to. He also said he has not seen an "old blue" account in about 2 years.
According to the salesman if you lose your sim they will not replace it. You will have to sign up for a new plan and contract.
It was a good idea thought it was going to work.
Any other ideas?
Thanks
Scott

Maddog468 said:
I went to two at&t stores today. I asked if I could have a replacement sim. No problem untill they looked at my account. It had "old blue" written all over it. Both stores said that they were unable to give me a new sim. One guy even showed me the computer screen. The only link that worked on the whole page was the UPGRADE button. They could not even change it even if he wanted to. He also said he has not seen an "old blue" account in about 2 years.
According to the salesman if you lose your sim they will not replace it. You will have to sign up for a new plan and contract.
It was a good idea thought it was going to work.
Any other ideas?
Thanks
Scott
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I think you have to come to terms that you need to upgrade....sorry thats just how it is...blame Bush....9/11 was an inside job

I think your right there is not much I can do. I cannot complain I still have a great plan (price wise) even with the "edge" service.
Scott

I went to my local At&t shop told then my reception sucks, droped calls ect. The replaced mine and my wifes sim with a new 3g no questions

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I went to my local At&t shop told then my reception sucks, droped calls ect. The replaced mine and my wifes sim with a new 3g no questions
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How long ago was this? Did you have an "old blue sim". I have had this sim for almost 5+ years maybe even longer. Did you go to a store or did you call and talk to someone from tech support?
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Scott

I have an extra 3G sim card, they sent it with a new phone, but no information is attached with it since we just used the old sim card in the new phone. Would an att store program it for one of you guys?

eagercrow said:
I have an extra 3G sim card, they sent it with a new phone, but no information is attached with it since we just used the old sim card in the new phone. Would an att store program it for one of you guys?
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They had a pile of 3g sims there. The sales guy even showed me on the computer he tried clicking on replacement sim and nothing would happen. He clicked over the whole screen the only link that worked was upgrade. Saw it with my own eyes. The sales guy thought that all of these sims or accounts have been closed for years.
Thanks for the offer.
Scott

Maddog468 said:
They had a pile of 3g sims there. The sales guy even showed me on the computer he tried clicking on replacement sim and nothing would happen. He clicked over the whole screen the only link that worked was upgrade. Saw it with my own eyes. The sales guy thought that all of these sims or accounts have been closed for years.
Thanks for the offer.
Scott
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Word yo, not much you can do with a Blue account. I work at an AT&T authorized retailer, and the only real option is upgrading.
One thing though, before you bite the bullet: I'm pretty sure you don't need a 3G sim to access 3G. Look over on Howard Forums (you might be better off asking this question there), but there are people even with old 32k and 64k sim's working just fine. But that doesn't mean AT&T isn't blocking it. See if you can use someone elses SIM card in the phone to connect to 3g (if it's a newer "Orange" card, make sure you have the correct internet settings).

irockash said:
Word yo, not much you can do with a Blue account. I work at an AT&T authorized retailer, and the only real option is upgrading.
One thing though, before you bite the bullet: I'm pretty sure you don't need a 3G sim to access 3G. Look over on Howard Forums (you might be better off asking this question there), but there are people even with old 32k and 64k sim's working just fine. But that doesn't mean AT&T isn't blocking it. See if you can use someone elses SIM card in the phone to connect to 3g (if it's a newer "Orange" card, make sure you have the correct internet settings).
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The 3g service was working fine untill about week or so ago. I travel quite a bit to New York and it happened up there first. When I would get home to Ft.Lauderdale everything was fine up till about week ago. So the "old blue" would get 3g service but I am thinking this is not the case anymore.
The howard forums have a lot of information. I need to get some time and really go through and read their site. Thanks for the info I never been on that forum.
Anyone out there have a old blue sim that is still working on the 3g network?
Scott

According to my friend, it works fine. Do not upgrade unless you have to, and don't give up your grandfathered plan. IIRC, The type of sim does not control connection speed or method, but only access to the network overall.... That being said, if you do loose your old pre-cingular Blue sim, they will not give you a new one without a new plan, so don't loose it.
Further, ATT doesn't (currently) screen for tethering or use of PDA phones with data plans made for phones, so no worries there.

Just to give you a quick up date. I flew in from Boston today. My phone had no problems using 3g in up in Boston.
I guess now ATT has the abilty to turn off the 3G in certain areas for us old customers. I know for sure 3G does not work with my old blue in New York area and Ft.Lauderdale area, but worked fine up in Boston today.
So I am not even sure even if I was given a new "3G" sim that it would allow me access to the 3G network.
The fight continues for me trying to get a new sim without changing my plan.
Scott

Can Carrier Identify What Type of Device I Have After I Unlock it?

The question is the title... can T-Mobile identify that I have a T-Mobile branded Touch Pro II after I unlock it with the OliNex unlocker? Do they verify the type of phone off of the IMEI or is it something different? I'm on a grandfathered $5.99 T-Zones plan that works fantastically, but I don't want to have to pay $25 bucks a month for a data plan if I buy my wife a TP2 from T-Mobile. Anyone know how to get the TP2 to work on T-Mobile on the new $10/month plan?

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The question is the title... can T-Mobile identify that I have a T-Mobile branded Touch Pro II after I unlock it with the OliNex unlocker? Do they verify the type of phone off of the IMEI or is it something different? I'm on a grandfathered $5.99 T-Zones plan that works fantastically, but I don't want to have to pay $25 bucks a month for a data plan if I buy my wife a TP2 from T-Mobile. Anyone know how to get the TP2 to work on T-Mobile on the new $10/month plan?
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I know the only way to avoid this on ATT is to get a non ATT version, The carriers scan for imei and if it is in their data base then they can tell, if it is not then they cant tell what device it is

No matter WHAT phone you have, whether it is from China or not, phone companies can see your IMEI and it usually tells them what phone you have.
I have the $5.99 T-zones since April 2009 and I purchased my TP2 in December. So far, I have seen my account online show that I am using a TP2 about 6 times.
What I do is just change it to show it is a Motorola V3, but it will change by itself again.
It doesn't seem like it matters at this point, so you should be safe. This is coming from a guy that uses quite a lot of data per day

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No matter WHAT phone you have, whether it is from China or not, phone companies can see your IMEI and it usually tells them what phone you have.
I have the $5.99 T-zones since April 2009 and I purchased my TP2 in December. So far, I have seen my account online show that I am using a TP2 about 6 times.
What I do is just change it to show it is a Motorola V3, but it will change by itself again.
It doesn't seem like it matters at this point, so you should be safe. This is coming from a guy that uses quite a lot of data per day
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I am currently using my TMO branded TP2 on an old T-zones plan and it works perfectly. When I put my wife's SIM in the TP2, it gives me the error, "This device is not compatible with your data plan." She has the $10 data plan for her AT&T branded Tilt (which their system cannot identify). So my question is, is there a way around paying $25.00/month for data with a T-Mobile branded phone?
Maybe I could modify my IMEI somehow to one of my old phones that I don't use any more, or to the IMEI of my wife's Kaisers since we won't be using it any more. Is there any way to do that?
Please don't refer to Vijay's post. It's been done 1000 times and he actually makes a point in his post that it is obviously something the developers here would consider because it was done for the Wizard already. It's not because I have a stolen phone so don't even suggest it.
Does anybody know a solution?

HTC Tilt 8925 phone on eBay

Right now I am using a basic Nokia 6030. If I buy an HTC Tilt 8925 off of eBay, do I have to buy the data plan from AT&T even if it is unlocked?

How does have anything to do with Touch Pro 2 ROM development?

I have no idea, sorry!

Thread moved.
To answer your question, from what I've read and heard, yes. However, if you have an unlocked device (non-AT&T branded phone) then you won't.

Would there be any chance I could know how I can unlock the 8925?

Even if you unlock the Tilt 2, it's still an AT&T branded phone. They'd recognize your IMEI number as such and force the data plan on you. The only way around this would be to either import an unlocked TP2, or use an unlocked TP2 from another US carrier. An important issue you'd have with an unlocked US TP2 is that it wouldn't be compatible with AT&T's 3g data band, so your data speeds would be stuck on EDGE.
EDIT: I should also mention that in your particular situation (since you don't want data on the phone), using an unlocked TP2 from the US would be ideal. The reason being is that it will be much cheaper than importing an unlocked phone from overseas. I suppose my initial explanation was more geared to try and clarify the general subject.

If using any TP2 it would most likely be recognised by ATT and be charged the data plan. See Hofo Nexus One thread for more details. Also some may not work on ATT 3G, for example TMO TP2 will not work with ATT 3G.

wpbear said:
If using any TP2 it would most likely be recognised by ATT and be charged the data plan. See Hofo Nexus One thread for more details. Also some may not work on ATT 3G, for example TMO TP2 will not work with ATT 3G.
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If it's got the 8925 branding that's specifically the AT&T version. Still not the TP2/Tilt2 though is it? Thought 8925 was the Kaiser.

The 8925 is the unofficial name of the original Tilt (Kaiser). The only place it is used is under the battery cover. It isn't called 8925 in any manuals or other official texts.

The bottom line is if ATT sells it and even if you buy a EUR version then ATT will probably still recognize the phone. They are getting smarter.
I have a code on one of my lines exempting me from the mandatory data plan since I had an HTC on that line before the rule came out, but my wife's line got dinged for this about a month ago, since then I changed to a dumb phone for her and removed the data. If I was to loose my exemption I would go to TMO.

OP, you want to post to the forum below, not the Tilt2 forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=377

wpbear said:
The bottom line is if ATT sells it and even if you buy a EUR version then ATT will probably still recognize the phone. They are getting smarter.
I have a code on one of my lines exempting me from the mandatory data plan since I had an HTC on that line before the rule came out, but my wife's line got dinged for this about a month ago, since then I changed to a dumb phone for her and removed the data. If I was to loose my exemption I would go to TMO.
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I currently have a Tilt 2 (from Ebay), prior it was a Kaiser (Tilt from AT&T), and before that a Blue Angel (Siemens SX66 from AT&T).
I was forced to get the PDA data plan when I got my Kaiser from them. I later told them it suffered an untimely death, switched to a flip phone, and changed the internet over to the smaller package. I put my sim back into my Kaiser and internet is working fine, I am still being charged the smaller package, and my phone comes up as the Blue Angel when I log into their web. LOL!
The only way around NOT getting the PDA plan is to NOT get the PDA from them (they've made it now mandatory). I've noticed that now they also made it mandatory to get the smaller internet/messaging package, if you get a phone from them that has a keyboard (either virtual or hard), regardless of whether you even want it. Not really the best incentive to get someone to commit to your plan or buy a device from them, is it? I'm thinking when my contract expires that I'll simply upgrade my phones on my own and keep paying the same for my service WITHOUT committing to another 2-year contract.
Getting a free or reduced price phone is just not worth spending that exorbitant amount on internet for 2 years.
Debbie

DebbieNY13 said:
I currently have a Tilt 2 (from Ebay), prior it was a Kaiser (Tilt from AT&T), and before that a Blue Angel (Siemens SX66 from AT&T).
I was forced to get the PDA data plan when I got my Kaiser from them. I later told them it suffered an untimely death, switched to a flip phone, and changed the internet over to the smaller package. I put my sim back into my Kaiser and internet is working fine, I am still being charged the smaller package, and my phone comes up as the Blue Angel when I log into their web. LOL!
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Yes, but that is not a guarantee anymore. ATT has on few and increasingly occasions been able to tell if you are using a non-branded HTC or the ATT version. You may also a grandfather clause on your line (ATT lists that as "Smartphone exclusion" under the included feature section of OLAM and my line has this as well. They will and by experience send a SMS and automatically change your data plan higher if they catch you with a PDA. If I knew an insider at ATT I would try to get the "Smartphone exclusion" on all my lines but unless you have connections......SOL. But at least my Tilt 2 is on the $10/unlim plan

Yeah, I may be grandfathered, since I've been with them so long, and I changed over to the $15 unlimited plan about 1.5 years ago. Now, things may simply not be that... well, simple.
Which is why I think I'm not going to go through the process of re-committing for another contract when this one is up (and continue to pay month by month), so they don't "catch" me down the road.
Debbie
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Yes, but that is not a guarantee anymore. ATT has on few and increasingly occasions been able to tell if you are using a non-branded HTC or the ATT version. You may also a grandfather clause on your line (ATT lists that as "Smartphone exclusion" under the included feature section of OLAM and my line has this as well. They will and by experience send a SMS and automatically change your data plan higher if they catch you with a PDA. If I knew an insider at ATT I would try to get the "Smartphone exclusion" on all my lines but unless you have connections......SOL. But at least my Tilt 2 is on the $10/unlim plan
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[Q] GoPhone... Will a Glide work?

It seems that the Glide is only an AT&T-branded phone. Has anyone used one with GoPhone? Thought about picking up an unlocked one on eBay but I don't want to encounter the same "Invalid SIM card" issue I encounter when I put my GoPhone SIM card into my unlocked AT&T-sourced Skyrocket. Thanks for any info!

I can't say for certain, but I don't see why not. I use my phone with the T-Mobile monthly 4g plan and everything works fine. I do however, only have an EDGE/2g speed data wise due to the frequencies, but the phone was designed for AT&T so that wouldn't be a problem for you.

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I can't say for certain, but I don't see why not. I use my phone with the T-Mobile monthly 4g plan and everything works fine. I do however, only have an EDGE/2g speed data wise due to the frequencies, but the phone was designed for AT&T so that wouldn't be a problem for you.
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Appreciate the reply, narume. I think that the issue arises from this:
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Let me know if you ever get that working.
What i THINK is that any phone that comes out of AT&T's clutches are in their system (both imei and with carrier iq) so once it you pop a sim into it and the information is matched to a device in their system they know what can and can't be allowed for the device. With international devices they don't have those IMEIs (which is why they always want the imei from you so they can match it in their system)
Your note is international...they can't "match or track it" so to their system it's just another random dumb phone
Your skyrocket is a known LTE/HSPA+ device to the system so it says no cheap data for you
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So...assuming that this reasoning is correct, if AT&T knows that it's their phone they will have blocked its IMEI from being able to access data through GoPhone. And I would need 3G access in order to use it on my MicroCell. Anybody...?

Any at&t phones will work on go phone, and you can use a microcell as well, your phone still uses the 3/4G signal to connect for calls and texts. Also to get data to work for pictures, and mms you just need to call them and they will send you the apns, my nephew in law has an atrix 2 on a microcell with pic messaging working great. They also have a solstice 2 (dump phone) on the microcell, both go phones.
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If you're getting Invalid SIM, you may have a locked SIM card, something AT&T started doing with their prepaid a while back. New prepaid accounts have the SIM locked to the phone it was purchased with for ~3 months, after that I believe you have to either call or visit a store to have the lock removed.
Other than that, there's no reason it shouldn't work, but do remember that AT&T will see it as a smartphone. This means with their new prepaid plans, if you're using the 10 cents a minute plan you'll be unable to use data at all. If you're using one of the flat amounts per month, like the $25 or $50 plans, you'll need to purchase a data package (even though the $50 is SUPPOSED to include unlimited internet, smartphones aren't eligible).
I previously used a Motorola Flipside on AT&T's prepaid, before this change I was using the 10 cents a minute plan, with 1000 texts a month and buying a 500mb data package, then rolling over unused data each month with the 10mb package, and everything worked the same as if I was on postpaid - text, mms, internet, etc.

Thanks all! I'm 1½ months into my prepaid service. I'll check with AT&T after 3 months have passed and see if they can remove the SIM lock.

You might go ahead and call customer service anyway, who knows, you may get lucky. 3 months was what a rep told my friend a year or so ago, but that may have changed or may not have been the rule at all. Alternatively, you can go into a local store and purchase a new sim (or purchase one on ebay) and have them transfer your account over to it, just make sure they give you a regular sim and not a go-phone sim.
I just tested my captivate glide with the sim I was using in my flipside. It seems to read the sim just fine, though obviously I'm not still a prepaid customer so I can't make any real calls with it. I've also used it on a T-Mobile MyTouch 3G that was unlocked, briefly, when I was working on the flipside. Once you have the sim lock removed I expect you'll have no problems using it in any unlocked or AT&T locked phone.

If you use the 50 dollar plan and use the wap.cingular apn it will use data just set that up before you put in your sim, and do call they should unlock it for you, if not tell them you will be going to straight Talk at&t phones work locked on them since it's a part of at&t just ran by walmart.
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I have two Glides that I activated in June. NEITHER WAS SIM-LOCKED, ever.
Both are the newer 4G SIM, not the older one that says 3G on it. Got em from eBay for about $2.75 each. Both were activated online, about 3 weeks apart.
The first one, I activated with an IMEI of a Glide that broke and was able to use the SIM on a different Glide and other phones, even the Pantech Burst and got 4G. I activated it as 10c plan, then moved it to the $50 unlimited.
The second one was activated with 0000... generic IMEI with the 10c plan, and just like the first one, I was able to use the SIM on any GSM phone I have in the house (and that's quite a few).
APN: wap.cingular - only the name is needed, no userid, etc.

[Q] I Don't Want To Pay for a DATA PLAN!

So check this out.... I am an AT&T user and back when the HTC HD2 came out for T-Mobile I bought it from a friend when they signed up for a new contract. Got an unlock code from Ebay and have been using it for the past 2 years without having to have a data plan, never got added automatically to my plan like i have heard happen to others? And I'm wondering why? Is it possibly cuz its a T-Mobile phone? Or is it cuz I still have an old "Cingular" SIM card? I am curious about this because right now, Wally World has a special sale on the phone at $249, plus a $100 gift card, which will bring the phone down to $150 basically, so a pretty damn good deal for a phone just out on the market. And I'm plan on getting it this week, I was wondering if any of you would be able to tell me if at some point if i was able to get a T-Mobile version of the Samsung Note 2 if i could slip my SIM card into it and then be able to cancel my DATA plan, if i told them i went back to a Motorola Razr or something, which worked when i got my HD2? Or will AT&T be able to see that i have a smartphone? Is it the newer smaller SIM card, that will tell AT&T that I have a smartphone, or will the phone it self be what sends info to the servers or whatever that tells AT&T I have a smartphone? Or do you think this method of getting a T-Mobile phone and using an AT&T SIM card will work and I won't get stuck with a DATA plan? Everywhere I go has Wi-Fi so I have no need for the Data plan it will be going to waste.

The newer phones, including this one, use a micro-SIM.

I think it is because you have a phone that is not sold by AT&T that they can't tell what it is, so you would probably be forced to get a data plan if you get the AT&T Note II. I would think that regardless of the sim card you have it would still report your phone model to the network, but I really don't know anything about that, so hopefully others can chime in.
I have been using an unlocked Xperia Pro on AT&T and they don't seem to have a clue what it is or even that it is a smartphone, so I could probably do whatever I want with the data plan.
If you got the international version of the Note perhaps you would not have to have a data plan.

acey_zero said:
I think it is because you have a phone that is not sold by AT&T that they can't tell what it is, so you would probably be forced to get a data plan if you get the AT&T Note II. I would think that regardless of the sim card you have it would still report your phone model to the network, but I really don't know anything about that, so hopefully others can chime in.
I have been using an unlocked Xperia Pro on AT&T and they don't seem to have a clue what it is or even that it is a smartphone, so I could probably do whatever I want with the data plan.
If you got the international version of the Note perhaps you would not have to have a data plan.
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I'm wondering if it has something to do with the IMEI? If it isn't listed in there network or something? Maybe I will be alright? I don't know... But back when I got the Tmobile HD2 I went from a Motorola Razr to the HD2 just fine and wasn't automatically enrolled into a data plan, like some others people on at&t were that got the same phone. I don't know how I wasn't, but I'm happy I wasn't and was hoping to find out how to avoid it again. Everywhere I go has Wi-Fi, I don't need to throw away, $15 to $30 extra a month when I'm not even going to use the Data network very often. I have been going just fine with my HD2 with no data plan, just using Wi-Fi.

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The newer phones, including this one, use a micro-SIM.
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Right, I know I'll have to get a new SIM card and that is what kinda worries me, I don't know anything about the SIM cards. I was just curious if my older "Cingular" SIM card is what was helping keep me stay under the radar of them not knowing I have a smartphone, or if its because, the HD2 phone I have is from Tmobile and not in their system, so it can't recognize it? I went from a Razr to the HD2 and it still shows as a Razr in my account. An when I get the Note 2 phone, hopefully from Tmobile sometime, I was hoping I can still get away with not having to add a Data plan if i can find out how to avoid it...

Its all in the IMIE ... I was using a Galaxy Nexus overseas on a dumb phone plan because they didnt have the IMIE in system they couldnt tell it was a smartphone but they have cracked down on it now. Only phone that seem to be making it through the loop hole is overseas ones that are not very popular. If you switch to the AT&T version you will 100% be put on data plan if you choose a note 2 from say Rogers there is a slight chance you could sneak under the radar and not need it but for how long no one really knows.

I've seen people come in with T-Mobile phones or international phones and they don't register as a smartphone with the IMEI. So no data is required with unlocked phones.
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hiii_imkris said:
I've seen people come in with T-Mobile phones or international phones and they don't register as a smartphone with the IMEI. So no data is required with unlocked phones.
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Do you work at an AT&T store or something? Just curious, cuz it kinda sounds like it from the way you worded that reply. I've read on other threads that AT&T does checks or sweeps every now and then, that might detect a smartphone? Have you heard about that before, not sure what they meant by that?