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"if it ain't broke, don't fix it!" Update to new R

"if it ain't broke, don't fix it!" Is Kelfords statement which keeps him from upgrading.
I have the same feeling. I am a scary type: Afraid to brick my Jasjar.
So here are some questions to all that did the job:
1. After some weeks... still runs faster then before U-day?
2. Which problems have been solved defenitely?
3. Tell me why I am a sucker not to upgrade.
Huib

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herpi said:
1. After some weeks... still runs faster then before U-day?
2. Which problems have been solved defenitely?
3. Tell me why I am a sucker not to upgrade.
Huib
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1. Yes, I feel it's faster.
2. Update is not only for bug fix.
3. Some people still use Win98. You are not alone.
qt

I have upgraded mine twice in 3 days...
First with the official orange update, and second with the same rom but radio version 1.09 using the no id method..
Both worked very well and and the latest version is faster, more reliable and much better phone wise...

3. Some people are affraid that they will lose their guaranty if the upgrade.
But what is more worse then trying to upgrade after the waranty has expired, and then find out you have a model that gets stuck in the boot screen?
If you think about that, it's even better to upgrade to check if it gets stuck in the bootscreen, and send it back for another model that doesn't have this bug.
True or not?
Or you can just choose to stay with an unstable version, never upgrade at all and have a device with all kinds of bugs, and outdated os. Just like windows 98 users ^^.

i would say, if you are afraid, why not bring your universal to the customer services of your retailer to ask them to upgrade it.

My questions about upgrading to a non-O2 ROM are:
How do I get back GPRS/3G settings, MMS and SMS settings, all that stuff that the O2 ROM has and the JasJar one doesn't?
Also, does the JasJar ROM have the AKU2 feature (since I can't currently sync with our exchange server)?

qtotter said:
i would say, if you are afraid, why not bring your universal to the customer services of your retailer to ask them to do it.
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Qtotter,
I am not that afraid. I am a software guy myself.
But I am so horribly dependent on my phone ( living in the middle of nowhere of Romania) that I consider to buy another one for the case that I am stuck.
I am continuously connected to MSN (clients and staff) All my agenda etc. etc. I have a simple Nokia as a backup. That's why I am afraid. I did an upgrade before, and all went nice. so I maybe....
Huib

herpi said:
I am not that afraid. I am a software guy myself.
But I am so horribly dependent on my phone ( living in the middle of nowhere of Romania) that I consider to buy another one for the case that I am stuck.
Huib
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Did you buy it on eBay or something? If not, all you would have to do is just to take (or send) your uni to the retailer as long as the warranty is good if it gets stuck at splash screen.

Upgrading and updating is part of evolution.
If you brick it --> RTFM

You all got your point. I just upgraded succesfully.
Thanks for your input.
Huib

herpi said:
You all got your point. I just upgraded succesfully.
Thanks for your input.
Huib
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Congrats!

To Brick or not to Brick that is the question
I can tell you personally that bricking the phone is a bad situation. However you have to ask your self if it brick doesn't that mean it was broken to begin with? I am bummed because I don't have my Jasjar but I appreciate having it more now that it is being repaired. At least make sure before upgrading that you hard reset the device, not that it matters because it all gets overwriten but you want question "is it something I did or installed?"

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sandrobber said:
At least make sure before upgrading that you hard reset the device, not that it matters because it all gets overwriten but you want question "is it something I did or installed?"
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Never thought about that. Good advice! Thanks.
qt

I'm in the "don't know enough about it" camp, but gonna give it a go sometime. Stupid question - will Sprite Back-Up reinstate you customization after an upgrade. I guess not but ....

Is the stuck in bootscreen a malfunction with the device ?
Mine is back to the shop due to this problem. I hope it's under warranty, I flashed it with the Tmob UK rom rather then the Tmob NL rom because I have everything in english and work at a international company.
So the new types don't have this bug (read: feature) so it's safe to reflash it again ?

Rick GM said:
I'm in the "don't know enough about it" camp, but gonna give it a go sometime. Stupid question - will Sprite Back-Up reinstate you customization after an upgrade. I guess not but ....
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it's like before you update ur win xp sp1, you make a backup, and after u update ur system to sp2 and restore the backup, isn't it?

Sorry to sound stupid... but upgrading the Radio ROM will hard reset everything like upgrading the main ROM?
I just did the official Orange ROM upgrade. Should I now upgrade my radio, before I get too far into putting everything back?
Could someone give me a link to how I do upgrade the Radio ROM? Thanks

AndyCr15 said:
Sorry to sound stupid... but upgrading the Radio ROM will hard reset everything like upgrading the main ROM?
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No.
You can find radio roms on the net, or download a shipped rom (it is an executable archived file) and decompress it to get three rom images, one of which is a radio rom.
Refer to
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Universal
qt

Here is a link to the latest radio ROM, I installed this on my last unit, it didn't require a hard reset.
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Universal/Radio/UNI_radio_1.09.nbf.rar
The new O2 ROM is probably the way to go, it will give you 1.09.00 radio and the latest OS and ExtROMs.
Most people seem to have problems with ROM upgrades if they do a hard reset after flashing, so just finish the upgrade and poke the reset pin without the keys held in.

diamond Touch bricked

Hello,
just got a HTC diamond Touch,locked so was trying to unlock it followed the Sticky on How To Unlock step by step,but when i clicked Yes to run "EnterBootloader.exe on my phone the screen went black the connection to the phone was lost! & now it wont turn on at all
Tryed to take out the battery,hard reset,nothing worked...
I hope that some1 in this forum will be able to help me

Try hard reset... hold volume down/enter key and do a "soft reset"

mouragio said:
Try hard reset... hold volume down/enter key and do a "soft reset"
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thx m8 already tryed it....no luck

There are only two ways if you cannot get Bootloader (SPL) to run :
1. Send to RMA (gsm only : if it wasn't security unlocked)
2. Use Jtag (we only know pinouts for normal diamond yet)
Cya,
Viper BJK

thx every1 who tryed to help got the phone fixed had to send it in to htc uk only had to pay for posting it to them the rest was covered by the warranty diagnosis was main board failure? anyway back up and working 100% the only thing that it`s still locked on *range uk....has any1 ever unlocked their simlock?

OffTopic ... for unlocking read threads about that OR ask Olipro or cmonex or tupisdin

On the same topic, i have a bricked touch diamond that does not have a working bootloader. Totally dead, computer does not recognize it etc. And to make thigns worse i dont have a receit for it. Bricking happened during installing a new cooked rom over a previous cooked rom without doing a hard reset between them.
What are my options to possibly make this HTC working again? For example, can i get it JTAG'ed somewhere, or can i get it repaired somewhere (manufacturer?) even without warrenty?

Iikoo said:
On the same topic, i have a bricked touch diamond that does not have a working bootloader. Totally dead, computer does not recognize it etc. And to make thigns worse i dont have a receit for it. Bricking happened during installing a new cooked rom over a previous cooked rom without doing a hard reset between them.
What are my options to possibly make this HTC working again? For example, can i get it JTAG'ed somewhere, or can i get it repaired somewhere (manufacturer?) even without warrenty?
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Flashing a new cooked ROM over a previously cooked ROM (obviously you have hardspl and all that) wont brick. Thats weirddddd!
Im sure you tried hardreset and all that stuff right?
Can you enter bootloader at least? or tottaly dead?

Tried hard reset > no luck. Left the phone sitting without a battery for a few days > nothing. Allso can't acces the bootloader, so basically totally dead
Any ideas?

is battery charging?

As far as i can tell, no. I'll check that again later, don't habe the phone here at the moment.
To Sergio PC: i read from somewhere that you should not install a new rom without a hard reset before that. None the less, that is propably what has happened here. You think that something else has gone wrong here?

Well it seems that you indeed killed your spl.
I'm trying to jtag my diamond soon and will reply to this thread.
Cya,
Viper BJK

This is so weird. Maybe somebody flashed cdma hspl on gsm diamond. This brick phone 101%, but gsm hspl on gsm phone - this is almous impossible, unless your battery is too low (but flashing with low battery even won't start). I'm litle scarry about flashing any htc device these days. And can somebody post here DIAM100 JTAG pinout ?

viperbjk said:
Well it seems that you indeed killed your spl.
I'm trying to jtag my diamond soon and will reply to this thread.
Cya,
Viper BJK
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You mean dead as in throw it to the dogs or dead as in keep trying there is a way to unbrick it?

With JTAG, yes

Exactly. RMA or JTAG.
For the latter one I need to code an app and verify that my jtag pinouts work.
The first option is however the best if you aren't quite good in soldering cables to small pads.
Cya,
Viper BJK

You need to send to warrenty... Your Diamond is death!!!!
I have same problem and send to repair and change all mainboard, new IMEI.
You kill the phone!!!!

hellonasty said:
You need to send to warrenty... Your Diamond is death!!!!
I have same problem and send to repair and change all mainboard, new IMEI.
You kill the phone!!!!
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Damn, that sounds quite bad. So do you happen to know why would this totally kill the phone rather than just mess up the nand flash that could be saved with JTAG. What i've been reading about the way that nand flash memory is written, when you scren up the write and you dont have hardcoded bootloader, then there is nothing to "channel" the new data (new rom) throught the usb/motherboard/other circuitry. So here comes JTAG to the rescue as it can reprogram the flash using only four wires connected directly to the chip and some clever sounding techniques that happens inside the chip...
Then again, i might be totally wrong here because my knowledge about inner workings of a modern ic chip is slim to none. But never the less, i still keep on hoping that there would be a way to save my touch, maybe even by sending it to someone with better knowledge and equipment to JTAG it (and pay a hefty compensation for it offcourse).
Any idea how much does the service cost to change the whole mainboard?
Ps. my english is not that great, especially on the techincal vocabulary. So i hope you all can still at least partially understant what i am trying to say...

You are absolutely right. Only SPL is bricked, thus you only need to write spl to nand. You can do so using jtag.
Cya,
Viper BJK

About the charging, even that is'nt working...
How about the JTAG'n, does anyone or any place do it for money, besides actual service. Anyone here willing to help me?

In Desperate Need of Shipped ROM for HTC Touch Diamond

Hi I have recently tried to flash my Touch Diamond ROM, messed the hell out of it and, the only way to fix it is to flash it with the original stock ROM that it came with. Could anyone please help me with this.
HTC Touch Diamond P3700
Rom SPL 1.93
CID HTC_017
The phone was not branded straight from the manufacturer.
The problem is that I tried to flash the phone without doing hard SPL
Cleaned the whole phone and the only thing working now is the connection to the computer Trough mtty. I tried using other ROMS but they stop at 1% and gave me a vendor incorect error or something.

just download it from htc site

I tried but when I select the Serial number it says that the update is not for my phone and doesn't let me download it. and the ones that they have are only updates.

Does anyone have a valid Serial Number that i can use to download update ROM from HTC?

Have you tried any official roms posted around here? like this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410720

I did that but it started to load the roam into the phone and crashed at 1%,
it gave "Invalid Vendor Id" error and it turns off. Is there like a unversal HTC rom that at very least gets me access to the NANd Memory
I just want to HArd_spl the phone and install a new ROm
Dont even care about the original ROM any more

ekirakosyan said:
I did that but it started to load the roam into the phone and crashed at 1%,
it gave "Invalid Vendor Id" error and it turns off. Is there like a unversal HTC rom that at very least gets me access to the NANd Memory
I just want to HArd_spl the phone and install a new ROm
Dont even care about the original ROM any more
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Try that one HT828GN27034 and let me know the result.

Oh very nice, thank U very much, I'll try it right now.

All of the Upgrade ROMs just give me invalid Vender ID error message
Doesn't make sense to me though, i tried flashing the Phone With Hard-SPL but for some odd reason it hangs at 0%.
Is my phone dead for good or there might be a way to fix this issue

did u installed OLINEX first?
If ur phone is in 3 color screen try to install Olinex 1.4 and after that flash it with stock ROM.

No thats the thing, I Just Cleaned the phone with Mtty and tried to flash it with WM6.5. but after the cleaning nothing really work out. and i cant even go back to the the old Rom cose I did not back it up.

ekirakosyan said:
No thats the thing, I Just Cleaned the phone with Mtty and tried to flash it with WM6.5. but after the cleaning nothing really work out. and i cant even go back to the the old Rom cose I did not back it up.
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not even hard reset? did u tried?

yeah man i tried hard reset too, that was no go, I wish there was a way to remove the CID Lock

ekirakosyan said:
yeah man i tried hard reset too, that was no go, I wish there was a way to remove the CID Lock
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What windows are you using?

I am using windows 7, but i tried the same process on vista and XP, same result, the phone connects to the pc, and right as i try to load one of the ROMs from HTC's website, the thing crashes at 1% and says invalid vendor ID error.
IS there a universal ROM that can be loaded, or my phone is bricked for good?

Perhaps you want to have a look here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Upgrades
Succes!

Oh wow this place has every ROM type but mine, so not fare, u think if i download and try every one of these other ones I might have some sort of luck?
I used HTC's MTTY and figuered that My CID is HTC__017, and the 1.93 Spl
and mine is not listed there.

Hey, I have the EXACT same problem. My diamond is the US 3G Unbranded phone (DIAM110, CID=HTC__017). I've both called and emailed HTC asking for the ROM, but they say that they do not have it. The only way to get it would be to request it from the vendor you bought it from. I got mine as a gift so I can't really do that. Oh, and if you want them to flash it for you, you have to pay like $160. Not cheap. And you know HTC, they'll make up that your main board's fried, and ask you to pay $300. If you have WARRANTY, send ASAP. Mine expired a week ago.
As for flashing random ROMs, most likely this will not work (although you can try). The way your phone determines if it's allowed to install the ROM is by looking at the beginning of the file. If you open up the NBH with an editor, you can see and even change the ID. The problem is, HTC "signs" the file with a 2048 RSA key (2^2048), and if you even change one digit then the signature will be invalid.
So yes, I have the exact same problem, my thread is at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623320, so if you have any luck, or I do, check out that thread.
At this point, the only things that are left to do are to beg HTC or a vendor for the ROM update (I might find HTC developer's mailing address and ask them); find a way to get into Soft SPL, or in other words load into memory a bootloader that would allow flashing of unsigned code; or find a vulnerability that would allow flashing unsigned code (has been done with Trinity).
Also you can try contacting Olipro, cmonex, and pof, but I so far have had no luck.
Hopefully we'll find something.
~codeslicer

Hey man, thanks for the reply, we are pretty much on the same exact boat, am gonna try to contact HTC see if my warranty is still up, and the phone i got it as a gift, I don't have a recipt of a proof of purchase, what do u think i should tell them. And if that doesn't work, I think I am going to try every single 1.93 ROM
in this site.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Upgrades
And also what is your CID. if its HTC_017 then its not here, but there are a lot of them in here so u might get some luck.
let me know how it goes man.

I think i have the solution
can u please confirm clearly as what has happened , hope i have the specific solution .

Going back to Stock ROM, but my screen is dead.

Hi all. I'm sending in my TP2 for warranty repairs on the screen. Screen is black, won't show anything, but the touch functionality works.
Anyways, I need to flash it back to Stock ROM, but am not sure what will happen if I cannot see it. If it works without having to interact with the phone, I should be ok, but if it bricks, I won't even be able to tell!
I don't think I will even attempt at relocking the SPL or bothering with the Radio, mainly because neither are available in Stock versions.
My question is, what is everyone's experience with not flashing back to a full Stock device for warranty repairs? Anyone ever gotten charged? Did Tmobile even notice
Thanks!

Try MyMoblier to Remote Control your phone.
Dave

I guess that would work since MyMobiler installs by itself via Activesync. Still wondering if I should go through all the trouble though...

I've read HTC refuse to service (or charge) if they find the OliNex SPL.
And rumour has it, they are actively looking for it.
Dave

Ok thanks. Just what I was looking for. I will go ahead and try and relock the SPL via MyMobiler. However, what should I relock it to since a Stock SPL isn't available? I know this probably belongs in the HardSPL thread, but do you know if an AT&T SPL would work ok for a T-Mobile phone?

dagawa said:
Ok thanks. Just what I was looking for. I will go ahead and try and relock the SPL via MyMobiler. However, what should I relock it to since a Stock SPL isn't available? I know this probably belongs in the HardSPL thread, but do you know if an AT&T SPL would work ok for a T-Mobile phone?
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Any of the Stock SPL's should be OK.
Dave

Well for some reason I cannot get MyMobiler to install by itself. Is there any other to view via PC or install a program without being able to see your screen?

Try this one:
Pocket controller

Thanks Orb! That actually worked. Luckily I knew where to press to authenticate a cab install... After installing my stock ROM I was able to use Pocket Controller to step through all the start-up procedures which were actually preventing me from relocking it back to a Stock SPL. Thanks againt
PS I would highly recommend AGAINST trying to take your device back to Stock with a dead screen. it's a pain in the butt!!

Afrter fake HardSPL, Phone is dead

I've mistakenly upload HardSPL from Mega-Touch2 ...
Phone is not react on nothing
i've try soft and hard reset, phone is dead ...
is there any solution ?

JFH said:
I've mistakenly upload HardSPL from Mega-Touch2 ...
Phone is not react on nothing
i've try soft and hard reset, phone is dead ...
is there any solution ?
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Use it as a paperweight?
Seriously, though, the only way to recover from that, if it won't do anything, is a JTAG recovery. See if any of your local electronics dealers can do it for you. Otherwise, it might be better for you to get a new one...

i've try to do something with mtty usb
but "ub port can not open".
i disabled usb connection in w7pro

JFH said:
i've try to do something with mtty usb
but "ub port can not open".
i disabled usb connection in w7pro
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It isn't going to work. You have the wrong SPL flashed to it. The SPL is what loads up EVERYTHING in the device and makes it all play nicely together. You won't be able to recover via USB. JTAG is the only option, but it isn't something you will be able to do, I would imagine.

service said,procesor is fake
they said, "we try few times with 3 different recovery tools, in 75% phone go down"
is this possible, procesor is death ?

JFH said:
service said,procesor is fake
they said, "we try few times with 3 different recovery tools, in 75% phone go down"
is this possible, procesor is death ?
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I've already said that your problem is that you flashed the wrong SPL. The device is dead. Get a new one.

Think of this as an opportunity to get a new phone and a lesson learned.
I gave my old broken Nokia to my nephew and he plays with it all the time. Silly kid thinks he can make calls from it.

JFH said:
service said,procesor is fake
they said, "we try few times with 3 different recovery tools, in 75% phone go down"
is this possible, procesor is death ?
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This is the ugly truth that you have to face with it. I'm sorry to hear that.
Try a new phone right now, use the old dead one as a paperweight like others have said.

Replace the mainboard, you bricked the device.

Okay, i can not understand this guy.
Can someone translate to proper english if you understand?
What has he done?

ryannathans said:
Okay, i can not understand this guy.
Can someone translate to proper english if you understand?
What has he done?
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He flashed the Hard SPL from the HTC Mega (Touch 2) to his HTC Rhodium (Touch Pro2). Doing this bricked his device. The only solution is to either J-TAG it to recover directly, replace the mainboard, or replace the whole device. Since the OP flashed the wrong SPL, I am assuming that he is probably not qualified or capable of J-TAG or mainboard replacement (I mean no offense to the OP). This is why I simply stated that he just get a new one.
The moral of the story is to read carefully before doing any of this stuff for this very reason. He now has a $300 paper weight.

cajunflavoredbob said:
He flashed the Hard SPL from the HTC Mega (Touch 2) to his HTC Rhodium (Touch Pro2). Doing this bricked his device. The only solution is to either J-TAG it to recover directly, replace the mainboard, or replace the whole device. Since the OP flashed the wrong SPL, I am assuming that he is probably not qualified or capable of J-TAG or mainboard replacement (I mean no offense to the OP). This is why I simply stated that he just get a new one.
The moral of the story is to read carefully before doing any of this stuff for this very reason. He now has a $300 paper weight.
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Ahh, makes sense now.
As long as you sit in the right forum you should be fine OP

Didnt realise there was no way to recover it once it is bricked. I tend to be really careful but I still worry when flashing my phone. Makes me scared to do it on my next phone now knowing its game over if I do something wrong.

fade2black101 said:
Didnt realise there was no way to recover it once it is bricked. I tend to be really careful but I still worry when flashing my phone. Makes me scared to do it on my next phone now knowing its game over if I do something wrong.
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You'll be just fine if you read carefully before flashing. The OP's problem was that he flashed a SPL from a completely different device. If he had done something wrong with the Rhodium software, then we could have helped him recover. As long as you stick to stuff to your device, you should be fine.

fade2black101 said:
Didnt realise there was no way to recover it once it is bricked.
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That's what a brick is, a paperweight. Useless and unrecoverable, that's the main point in calling it a "brick". Some have defined a brick as unrecoverable w/o opening up the phone. And some use terms like "semi-brick". But the "semi-brick" distinction in particular seems silly. If you can recover from it fairly easily, than its not a brick. You just hit a roadbump,and then you figured it out.
The OP is screwed because he messed with the SPL, and as cajun said, the SPL is what loads EVERYTHING else. If you are just flashing ROMs and whatnot, even a bad flash is easy to recover from. As long as you can get into bootloader, you're fine. Just flash a known good ROM.

redpoint73 said:
That's what a brick is, a paperweight. Useless and unrecoverable, that's the main point in calling it a "brick". Some have defined a brick as unrecoverable w/o opening up the phone. And some use terms like "semi-brick". But the "semi-brick" distinction in particular seems silly. If you can recover from it fairly easily, than its not a brick. You just hit a roadbump,and then you figured it out.
The OP is screwed because he messed with the SPL, and as cajun said, the SPL is what loads EVERYTHING else. If you are just flashing ROMs and whatnot, even a bad flash is easy to recover from. As long as you can get into bootloader, you're fine. Just flash a known good ROM.
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Is this covered in the warranty? lol

I can recover hard bricked phones including the TP2 and many other devices using JTAG. PM me with any questions about a bricked Tp2.