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Hi ,
I´m going to try and update my HTC s620 to WM6 from Tmobile,
but,
Where can i download the HTC ROM iff i would like to revert
meaning going back to wm5?
and is this possible?
cause i allso want to be sure that when htc comes out with there rom update i can update it to theres,
cause i think the tmobile rom has a lot of screens with there logo on?
and i dont like that

I have the WM5 HTC Rom (RUU_Excalibur_HTC_WWE_1.11.405.4_4.1.13.28_02.63.90_Ship.exe). It is over 37MB in size, I don't know how I could get it to you.

http://rapidshare.com/users/7UE30C
click on the folder button

super!
thanks man!
Do you also know iff it is possible to downgrade from wm6 to wm5, in case i dont like it, or like i mentioned above?

U have to have you phone CID unlocked. then you can go WM5<>WM6 no problem. ( take it back, actually i am not sure. If you going to play only with t-mobile ROM's, then CID unlocking might not be needed).

uwashock said:
U have to have you phone CID unlocked. then you can go WM5<>WM6 no problem. ( take it back, actually i am not sure. If you going to play only with t-mobile ROM's, then CID unlocking might not be needed).
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The phone i have is from HTC it self, not Tmob.
So i know it has no simlock, i guess no cid lock too, but i dont understand cid lock will lock for that one here some where
Did anyone try to update/downgrade it allready?

I did. I have the T-Mobile Dash. It's not CID unlocked.
I downloaded WM6 and found that I couldn't use Missing Sync or send email, so I went online and downloaded the WM5 Rom from another forum (Howard I believe but I might be wrong).
It works just fine, I had no problems going back.

then ill try that, cause htc said it would not work, thanks

I tried using that Rom above but it gave me an error "Invalid Vendor ID" or something like that. I already CID unlocked (thats how I upgraded from ROgers WM 5 to Tmobile WM6). Can anyone tell me what I' doing wrong?

where can I find the tmobile wm5? i upgraded with their wm6 and would like to go back.

All this is sooooo new!!!

A quick (probably simple) question. I have a CID unlocked Orbit, thanks to imei-check. Does this mean I don't need to use the USPL software now to flash handset or must I still do this first?
Thank you for your time.

Shand359 said:
A quick (probably simple) question. I have a CID unlocked Orbit, thanks to imei-check. Does this mean I don't need to use the USPL software now to flash handset or must I still do this first?
Thank you for your time.
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If you want update Rom NBH format still need Run USPL again..!

Although it may seem redundant, I would run the USPL before loading any of the roms found on this board as a fail safe. I also have an unlock file from IMEI check and I only use that to load non-modified OEM roms like HTC/O2/Dopod etc. Also remember that you have to run the IMEI check or the USPL EVERY time you change roms. Unlocking once will only serve to load a single rom. So save the unlock utility and the IMEI code file they gave you in a file for quick access if you plan on playing the experimentation game. Also, look through the posts there was a thread on how to unbrick your IMEI-unlocked phone no matter what by doing a trick and a HEX edit involving the software you use to CID unlock your phone.

imei-check vs. USPL
there is following difference with imei-check and uspl:
imei-check recalculates and modifies cid area on your device, uspl doesn't.
with uspl, cid area and model id are ignored and not checked.
this enables to perform upgrade of any rom.
rom has to be properly signed though, if you do nbh upgrade with regular upgrade utility.
if you use pdocwrite method, then it is wise to have uspl installed before you write to doc (same for nbh upgrade. always have uspl installed first). otherwise in case of faulty upgrade it will be quite difficult to recover the device.
keep in mind, with next full rom upgrade (say factory rom upgrade, spl will be overwritten). this means you need to run uspl again, before performing upgrade.
regards.

fdp24 said:
there is following difference with imei-check and uspl:
imei-check recalculates and modifies cid area on your device, uspl doesn't.
with uspl, cid area and model id are ignored and not checked.
this enables to perform upgrade of any rom.
regards.
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@fdp24,
nice to see you alive and kickin`!
Say, does this mean I could flash the wm6 rom from the hermes (see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305940 )
into my uspl unlocked hero ?
tried it with the implemented installer without success!
greetz

Please answer me this then. Just to see if I have it right.
I have my Orbit unlocked by imei-check. I now have Bepe's WM6 installed and running great with absolutely no problems what-so-ever. Since I have unlocked my phone and flashed a new ROM onto it, do I now need to re-unlock my phone if I intend to change the ROM in the future? (Does flashing Bepe's ROM reset the CID-lock?)

imei-check does permanent cid unlock. you don't need to re-unlock device again.
- some roms will not install on device, because they have different model id.
- uspl is a solution for this. with uspl installed, model id is not checked.
- if you use pdocwrite method, then you are writing directly to doc, and don't have to bother with cid and model id. however, if something will go wrong with this method, it could be not very easy to recover cid locked device. optimal in this case to have device with uspl installed, because you will not be dependent on cid and model id.
- wm6. most of cooked roms represents just an os. during upgrade, ipl and spl parts remains intact during upgrade. wich means with uspl installed, after os upgrade you don't need to install uspl again. spl version is 1.11.0000 when uspl is installed on device.
- regular factory upgrade. all parts are upgraded (ipl, spl, gsm, splash, os). uspl will be overwritten. for future upgrades you need to install uspl again.
regards,

advice needed, NOT a support issue.

I just bought a TyTN (Herm 200) and I am so excited about putting WM6 on it. I have the HK WWE official release just sitting here on my desktop.
But:
HTC is going to make a Europe edition available soon. It might even have Mobile Office 2007 on it from scratch.
I am unsure if I can later update my TyTN to the European version if i put the HK version on now. What kind of problems might I run into?
My device comes with Swedish WM5, I imagine I can update it to WWE, but what about back to swedish later on, if I should want to do that?
If it was you, would you go ahead with the update to HK and if possible switch to European version later?

Yes I would. You can always switch later - you may need to CID unlock later or use a modified RUU, but you WILL be able to change later.
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well, I am a bit hesitant to CID unlock my device since it is brand new and still under warranty. thanks for the heads up.
Will I even be able to put the HK WWE on my device without CID unlocking it?

Actually, you will probably not have to CID unlock the device at all. Oli built a custom RUU that bypasses the CID check without CID unlocking. I was juct throwing that in as a disclaimer since I have not tried it. I am SURE that it works though
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298737&highlight=custom+ruu

I can't stress this enough - put olipro 2.10 on it - this is reversible to the best of my knowledge (see vanx's guide in my sig) and this means that it doesn't need CID unlocking (thr RUU_Wrapper is not the bit that does the CID checking)
In any case, I don't very much whether or not, in the case of a warranty claim, anyone would spot the CID unlock or the SPL update (but still don't take my word for it
I've upgraded someone else's phone for them and I put olipro on which was a good job as it got interupted by his daughter pulling the cable out and it saved it from being a brick...
HTH,
Smiffy.
BTW, the cooked ROMs are so much better than the official dopod ROM - my preference is black satin or sleuth's but they're all better than the official one

OK thanks! Great info!

How to EXACTLY undo a wm6 upgrade?

Hi Everybody
My hermes is the following:
Vodafone 1605 ITA WM5
ROM: 2.07.165.1 (02/13/07)
Radio: 1.32.00.00
I don't know If I'm going to tryu the wm6 update, but, before even thinking about it, I want to make sure that I can restore it back to what it was in the beginning, in case anything goes wrong...
How can I save my Rom, radio and everything OR where can I find my exact rom and all the necessary stuff to revert it back?
I noticed a guide for wm5 downgrade, but that wolud probably only bring back wm5 in some form, and not MY wm5 and everything that comes with it...
I hope you understood what I mean
Is that even possible?
Thanks in advance

Happily, it's easy mate.
Download your original rom from the archive so you've got it to reinstall from. (Check your current versions of rom, radio, etc. to make sure it's the right one.)
When you want to downgrade, just plug in your phone and run the downloaded exe. It'll take LOADS longer for the 'old' rom to install than your upgrade to wm6 did. This is mainly because the 'old' (original) rom you download will install spl, ext rom, os, plash 1 + 2 and radio all at once.
Thats the easy way.
You could extract just the bits of the original you need to save time, but there are instructions in threads, wiki and downloads for that so I won't repeat it all here. It's Dutty's Good NBH Tool you'll be using (start your search with that if you want to go down that road).

Thanks for the quick reply
By "archive" do you mean this?
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Upgrades
So I guess my rom should be this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298541
It also matches my ROM and Radio version.
There's just one thing I don't understand... I looked at the WM6 guides on mrvanx.org, which show many many steps. Are you saying that I could just grab the latest original HTC exe update and launch it and it would update everything? And still only launch another exe to revert to the old stuff?
Then why do people take the risk and flash all the components separately? Just to use homemade roms?
Thanks

No, it's about the CID (area and carrier-specific idintifier) of your phone.
Your phone'll accept your old rom back because it's from the right country and carrier.
'Cooked' roms aren't the 'right' one for your phone and so you have to alter the phone so it won't care which rom you use. That's what all the messing about before installing wm6 is basically all about - to convince your phone that any CID is fine.
Similarly, I use OrangeUK as my provider and the phone 'wants' a hermes rom from them. Thusly you can't just download and use the latest HTC rom as it's not got the CID code your phone wants. Once you've used the OliPro software you'll be able to use all the roms you like.
The 'archive' is exactly what yopu found there, aye. With downloads coming in zips and rars I shouldn't have called that page the archive, soz.
As to the right rom, I wouldn't like to say, but if it's right country, carrier, radio and rom then you're laughing, download it and tuck it away safe.
Mine for example is the OrangeUK (ORANG001) one. The one with the AKU in bold. So that's been on my laptop since day one of having my hermes.

http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/
all your questions answered here!

chunkymonkey said:
No, it's about the CID (area and carrier-specific idintifier) of your phone.
Your phone'll accept your old rom back because it's from the right country and carrier.
'Cooked' roms aren't the 'right' one for your phone and so you have to alter the phone so it won't care which rom you use. That's what all the messing about before installing wm6 is basically all about - to convince your phone that any CID is fine.
Similarly, I use OrangeUK as my provider and the phone 'wants' a hermes rom from them. Thusly you can't just download and use the latest HTC rom as it's not got the CID code your phone wants. Once you've used the OliPro software you'll be able to use all the roms you like.
The 'archive' is exactly what yopu found there, aye. With downloads coming in zips and rars I shouldn't have called that page the archive, soz.
As to the right rom, I wouldn't like to say, but if it's right country, carrier, radio and rom then you're laughing, download it and tuck it away safe.
Mine for example is the OrangeUK (ORANG001) one. The one with the AKU in bold. So that's been on my laptop since day one of having my hermes.
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Ok that wes pretty clear
Let me just see if I got it right.
To go WM6:
- Upgrade CID to an unlocked version
- Either
1. Use HTC official exe upgrade, which updates ROM, ExtROM and Radio
or
2. Update Radio first and then ROM+ExtROM with a custom version
To revert to Vodafone WM5:
It's not assured that my radio can be safely downgraded (http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=27), so:
- Use Dutty's tool to extract my Vodafone ROM+ExtROM (no Radio) from the exe
- Downgrade SPL (not mandatory)
- Flash Vodafone ROM+ExtROM
Kinda?...

Yep, kinda!
But if you're planning to upgrade to WM6 with the correct VODAFONE release for your device you do not need to CID unlock your device and all that crap!
Sorry, I am not trying to confuse you!
Here an example:
Lets say you have an HTC Hermes from Vodafone UK with WM5 on there!
If Vodafone UK provides you an WM6 upgrade on their site (or if you find it in the 'archive' here in the Wiki then you do not have to CID unlock but you can run the upgrade without doing anything more than downloading the ROM and running it.
After you upgraded with the Vodafone UK WM6 you can 'downgrade' again with the Vodafone UK WM5 without any problems - even here a CID unlock is not necessary! Both ROMs contain the same CID code because of they are from the same provider.
A CID unlock is only necessary if you are planning to flash your device with ROMs which are not from your network provider, as example you want to flash a Hermes ROM from O2 UK to your Vodafone UK device. O2 UK is a different network provider and has a different CID code. Therefore your phone would refuse the upgrade and give you an error message WRONG VENDER ID!
CID unlock will trick your phone and it just does not care anymore about the VENDER ID (CID code) submitted by the ROM you're trying to flash!
The best way for you to play around with that stuff for a while might be to use SOFT_SSPL.exe to temporarely 'CID unlock' your phone. If you think that you really need it permanently CID unlocked because of you're going to flash it a lot then download the Hermes_Unlocker_3a which will do the job for you!
Please keep in mind that you will lose all data in your device when flashing!

Thanks again, and no, you are not confusing me
In fact, the only reason why I skipped that solution is because there's no official WM6 upgrade from Vodafone IT
Actually I like that SOFT_SSPL.exe thingy... Does it mean that my CID is unlocked just for the time of flashing or what?
And... it seems that you talk about CID and SPL like if they were the same thing... what's the difference?
Thx

Yes.
You will have to copy the soft.sspl.exe to your pda and run it from there. Just have your stuff ready for flashing before doing so.
The soft_sspl.exe is not writing anything to your ppc permanently. After flashing it is gone.
Please read the UPGRADING FOR BEGINNERS section in the Wiki carefully, even about bootloaders and all that crap before starting to flash!
TAKEN FROM THE HERMES WIKTIONARY in the Wiki section:
CID
The CID (Carrier ID) of the device is a setting which determines which carrier ROMs should be allowed to run on the device, a table of valid CIDs can be found in the wiki pages. All bootloaders (apart from HardSPL and SSPL) will only allow a ROM with the correct CID to be flashed onto the device. A device which has been CID unlocked will have 'SuperCID' which allows ANY ROM to be loaded onto the device, SuperCID also unlocks the Ext_ROM and allows it to be mounted.
SPL
See Bootloader.
SSPL
SSPL is a modified bootloader (by Des) which is loaded into RAM when run, this allows us to overwrite any aspect of the ROM, Radio or Bootloader far easier than using mtty. See the official thread for more info.

Do be aware that almost everyone ignores SSPL and upgrades their bootloader and SuperCIDs their phone with the OliPro software.
Although I always use SSPL myself, that's only because I keep a 'safety-net' copy of my own provider's most recent official ROM on my storage card. That way if I naff up the upgrade to wm6 and 'brick' my phone, I can easily restore it to out of the box condition without a PC.
(If you were thinking about using SSPL to avoid altering your bootloader - and remember you'd be going against the grain on this one - can I at least recommend you go here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_SDCardFlashing and set yourself up a HERMIMG.nbh on your microsd card before considering it? You don't want to go from all excited to gutted and no hermes.)

chunkymonkey said:
Do be aware that almost everyone ignores SSPL and upgrades their bootloader and SuperCIDs their phone with the OliPro software.
Although I always use SSPL myself, that's only because I keep a 'safety-net' copy of my own provider's most recent official ROM on my storage card. That way if I naff up the upgrade to wm6 and 'brick' my phone, I can easily restore it to out of the box condition without a PC.
(If you were thinking about using SSPL to avoid altering your bootloader - and remember you'd be going against the grain on this one - can I at least recommend you go here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_SDCardFlashing and set yourself up a HERMIMG.nbh on your microsd card before considering it? You don't want to go from all excited to gutted and no hermes.)
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Thanks for this really helpful advice!
I'll try to do some research on this option before doing anything, just to make sure that I know all the options before taking a definite road...
I still need to figure out what are the disadvantages of going HardSPL instead of using SSPL every time and if it's worth to update the radio firmware to the latest version, instead of just keeping my own.

If all radio functions seem good and reliable you could leave the radio upgrade.
On a 'new radio version' thread try to find any references from a user from your own country, region within that country and provider as regards any radio versions. each new one is simply the most recent that a provider somewhere has brought out. the latest version number by no means that any given phone on X provider in X region of X country will be improved. It could easily be worsened.
Another way to do it, and very long-winded, is to flash the latest radio and, if dissatisfied, go backward thorugh the versions till you get it performing satisfactorily.
If you're happy wwith your radio performance don't change it tbh. Just my opinion on that, some people may differ.

Gatz said:
... I still need to figure out what are the disadvantages of going HardSPL instead of using SSPL every time and if it's worth to update the radio firmware to the latest version, instead of just keeping my own.
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HardSPL will be permanently written (hard-coded) to your phone! This can be a problem if you have to mail in your phone for service! You would lose your warranty!
SSPL is just temporary for the moment. It executes from the RAM until the flash job is finished. Afterwards it is gone!
BTW: I made some experiments on my 8525:
It was not very difficult to 'undo' HardSPL! I simply took my original shipped ROM image file (nbh) and flashed it entirely with CustomRUU - afterwards HardSPL was gone.
If I ever get a new device I will use SSPL only. All you have to do, is, to copy it to your SD card and run it when you want to flash your device. That makes it only 1 more step compared to having your phone HardSPLed ...

Mmm, considering both your answers, I might go for SSPL, at least for the first time.
I thought that the official HTC update contained also a new radio version, so there should be no difference between carriers... that's a point that confuses me a bit.
I mean, are there HTC radios as opposed to Vodafone radios and so on?

Flashing can't start, and cant't find solution the after searching the forum

So as you can figure out from the thread title I have a problem flashing my htc diamond.
I have installed a HardSPL version 1.30 OliNex, I can confirm that becouse on the three color screen there is a text saying "1.30 OliNex".
I still have the original ROM that comes with the phone when I bought it, so this meant to be my first flashing.
I want to flash the phone with this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=593678 it is a WM 6.5 based ROM.
Because in the ROM package there wasn't a ROMUpdateUtility.exe I used it from other ROM package.
Connected via ActiveSync and followed the wizard. The phone reset and there came a gray screen with a progress bar. Now both progress bars on the phone and on the PC screen remain 0% and after a wile RUU finished with 262 ERROR Connection error, see the attached picture.
After that I tried to flash it from Internal Storage. A followed the steps according the procedure, and after the three colored screen it came the gray screen with "Loading..." message. I waited for almost 30 minutes and nothing happened.
What seems to be the problem?
I assumed about firewall disabling the connection. But I turned off the firewall and again the same story.
Then somewhere I found that there is incompatibility with the RUU and HardSPL version, but tried to flash with the same RUU that I used when I was installing HardSPL.
Then I tough that the problem is about flashing unsigned ROM on a signed HSPL, but it is not that the ROM is signed.
I am afraid to use MTTY so I don't brick my phone, because this is my first time flashing a Diamond.
I'm confused What seems to be the problem?
Any help can be welcomed.
Could this be indication of a hardware problem? When waiting for the "Loading..." message disappear the back cover warms a little.
Thanks.

1. Did you use the RUU from my thread?
2. NEVER USE AN H-SPL RUU TO FLASH ANYTHING OTHER THAN H-SPL!
3. is this a CMDA phone. IE, what network are you on?

Well no I didn't use the RUU from your thread, I've used a RUU from other ROM package.
This is not a CDMA phone I'm on T-Mobile Macedonia network. And the phone looks like this
On other Macedonian forum they told me it is a hardware problem. Can this be true?
So what do you think about my problem?

Well no I didn't use the RUU from your thread, I've used a RUU from other ROM package.
This is not a CDMA phone I'm on T-Mobile Macedonia network. And the phone looks like this
On other Macedonian forum they told me it is a hardware problem. Can this be true?
So what do you think about my problem?
EDIT: I did tried the RUU you recommended in your thread but it's the same.
I think it is in the PDA.

Configure active sync, and uncheck "allow usb connection" and try again.
For updating from internal storage you must have to copy the rom to the root of internal storage with a special name, ""diamimg.nbh"

Hmmm..
What he said... and...
Should have used one of the earlier SPLs. you only need to use the latest one if you are having problems with the older versions. I have the same diamond and used an early SPL.
Upgrade the radio rom first and go with a rom that's version 6.1 not 6.5 as most 6.5 roms now pack the Sense application.. (IMO Non-Sense, Senseless (Not enought ram or responsiveness))
Old roms here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=470757
Give olinex some cash for his Diamond Unlocker as this is the surefire way to fix it.

johnyboy_ said:
Configure active sync, and uncheck "allow usb connection" and try again.
For updating from internal storage you must have to copy the rom to the root of internal storage with a special name, ""diamimg.nbh"
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The connection between PC and PDA is made, because as I said there is a progress bar on the phone screen too.
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What he said... and...
Should have used one of the earlier SPLs. you only need to use the latest one if you are having problems with the older versions. I have the same diamond and used an early SPL.
Upgrade the radio rom first and go with a rom that's version 6.1 not 6.5 as most 6.5 roms now pack the Sense application.. (IMO Non-Sense, Senseless (Not enought ram or responsiveness))
Old roms here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=470757
Give olinex some cash for his Diamond Unlocker as this is the surefire way to fix it.
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As I understand you, you are saying to install later version of Hard SPL right?
So to install a new version of Hard SPL I just need to do the same procedure as the first time, or I have to uninstall the previous one?
And please help me which version of Hard SPL is safest to install? I'm afraid of the developer versions or maybe they aren't so scary
Are you a 100% positive it is the HardSPL?

djandreski said:
And please help me which version of Hard SPL is safest to install? I'm afraid of the developer versions or maybe they aren't so scary
Are you a 100% positive it is the HardSPL?
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Presuming from your post, you are using a signed Olinex SPL, i doubt that the rom has been signed be OliNex, the only difference with Dev is you can flash any Rom, flash the Dev one from my thread, nothing to be afraid of
Good Luck
Badwolve1

What are the steps of installing new SPL?
Do I just need to do the same procedure as the first time, or I have to uninstall the previous one(somehow)?
UPDATE: I did it, I successfully flashed my Diamond PDA! It seams that the problem was in the SPL I installed 1.40 OliNex Unsigned and it flashed like a charm. Thanks guys for the help. Now this thread can be closed, or do I have to close it myself.

Great!
Glad it all worked out