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I want to help get this site back up to its fine standard

I am new to this community (this may even be one of my first posts, i cant remeber) but ive read alot of what is going on.
this is no matter what people say a good site....but recently its unbearably slow which is really killing the community sharing help etc, the ftp got wiped out, im sure alot of the members who put worki into that are extremely annoyed, and finally there are so many people on the forum posing the same old 'help i did this' stuff...which leads to the conclusion that the faqs need an update.
well i am unsure of who the admin(s) are but it looks like you guys are struggling or do not have the time to solve these issues on your own.... which i can appreciate.
so i for one would like to offer some help...and im sure the older more experienced members would lend a hand too.
my initial thoughts would be to get some of you veterans to update the faqs try to incorporate the whole upgrading and downgrading as simply as possible... far too many ppl are trying 2005. o and a nice clear sign about the mda3 unlocking.
the other thing i feel is a necessary step is to make the ftp readonly to normal users and have a set of superusers with write access...these would be the people that use it the most or are well respected members...if someone other than them have something worth uploading then they need to send it to a superuser to check and do... its a minor point but it would provide some security without hindering those superusers that need to upload regularly.
finally the slowness.. i dont know whats causing it but theres a solution to every problem...if the server has a low throughput im sure i read somewhere someones company was willing to donate a dedicated server to our cause...wouldnt evev need donations with that.
well theres my 2 pence what do you guys think? i want this community to keep going..the only way thats gonna happen is by putting some effort in!
Tim

I wholeheartedly agree.
In recent months there has been a real decline in the quality of this forum, and though it's not particularly anyone's fault, there is SO much repetition and laziness by so many people who post the same questions AGAIN and AGAIN without taking the time to search first. There's fresh examples of this within the past day!
I don't know how others feel, but as far as I'm concerned there are certain rules that should be followed if a forum is to keep it's usefulness and keep to a structured order. I used to run one many moons ago so I know what I'm talking about. Firstly, people seem to post wherever they want, regardless of content. I can't count the number of times I've seen "help crashed my XDA2 going up to WM2003SE" in General or Development/Hacking. 99 times out of 100 it will be the Country ID error, something I've read about so many times I could now fix in my sleep. I can understand people's panic when this happens as it happened to me as well, but what I did was calm down, get on here and search for Country ID errors. Low and behold, DCS and edSub to the rescue and within half an hour I was back on the road to Upgradeville.
Secondly, there's been a general increase in the rudeness of people posting; from new members and old. Some think that it's OK to post half their question in the Subject, then go "anyone got any ideas?". Then when there's no response within a few hours, the same poster is back saying "no one seen this?" or with some insult about people not helping. Even I've had an odd dig the odd time, so I know how easily it happens.
Thirdly, the WM2005 interest is hacking me off. I can appreciate it if it solves the problems of those using it over 2003SE, but (and I can't believe I'M saying this) just cos it's out there doesn't mean we have to have it - especially considering the risks of such a topic. I'm no legal expert on this but I know MS have been coming down HARD on ANYONE hosting or posting screenshots / divulging information about an alpha product (AFAIK). I wish the moderators would remove this, and then emphasise, as they have done on tekguru, that they will not comment / tolerate any hosting or screenshots etc. I don't want to see this site shut down, and I've posted about it before, only to find a few days later some idiot HAS uploaded the files to the FTP. I bet it hasn't helped the recent slowness, quite aside from its illegality!!
http://www.tekguru.co.uk/phpBB2/index.php?article=5813
I agree Tim, I too would love to lend a hand where needed. I would be happy to help with constructing more up to date FAQs like on tekguru, and I completely agree that FTP needs to be readonly to all new users and most regular members also (prob inc me :shock: ). This site needs to get back on track, as it's still by far the most useful and helpsite resource for XDA/MDA/whatever and I would hate to see it go down the pan.
Ant

glad to see i'm not the only one willing to lend a hand
if we can get a few more people willing to help then it wont take very long at all to get this place going well again

I think Admins have abandoned XDA-Developers site time ago,but in some topics I read that they were busy with the Xanadux Project(Linux port),try to ask more to Peter Poelman e Lumpistefan about admins. 8)
So,I agree partially,there is no return from hold Win2k5,we need to keep it, we are a community,we will not share it in the FTP for security but need to know more about it,reverse it. You can't stop the knowoledge! Also Win2k3SE for XDA2,it is not officially announced,but you can read plenty of posts.
Some minor things to Upgrade,Improve in this site are:
-Create a CHAT in the site: Many users will benefit to this live communication,not only posts.
-NEW Profiles: add XDA3,Magician,etc..options
-Avatars disappeared, admin told it is for couple of weeks,some months ago.
-Improve the Search engine: Did you try to search something? it will return too many post,unrelated.
-Find and fix why XDA-Developers is so slow.

heh you just reminded me...the chat thing
i thought it would be nice to do an irc channel
and thanks for the info i will email peter... if the admins are busy with xanadux thats fine (im quite interested in the project) but we could do with someone to step in and keep this place running (peter?) and to organise a team to do what we all see as the issues.
as to the legality of win mob 2005...ive never cared about legal issues personally...but from the point of view of admin it must be removed off of xda dev...if someone hosts it somewhere and links it in a foum be it on their head... but xda dev cannot host it for their own safety

tim_programmer said:
as to the legality of win mob 2005...ive never cared about legal issues personally...but from the point of view of admin it must be removed off of xda dev...if someone hosts it somewhere and links it in a foum be it on their head... but xda dev cannot host it for their own safety
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Exactly, MS have shut down sites for simply having posted screenshots, or at least told them in no uncertain terms, to remove them. To find we have uploaded installation files to this site is a big concern to me and MUST be sorted.

Count me in!
Hi all,
I've been scrounging through these forums for a while now and have learnt a lot - cheers to all with the knowledge who are willing to share. I've managed to unlock XDA 1, 2 and 2s (ok, had to pay to sim unlock MDA3 - but found the link here! ;-) ) recently as mentioned we have a painfully slow site, a simple search provides 50 pages of mostly unrelated threads, 10 pages of which are all about the same thing! I'm more than happy to help sort out some proper FAQ pages; I've cocked up on ROM flashing due to country ID too! It's a panicky situation - none of us wants a 200-400 pound paperweight! In short - count me in for hands on help, I'd love to learn more but also help the others out a bit.
Mike

well i sent a pm to peter and no reply as yet (its only been a day so im not giving up yet) but i just read another post of someone tring to get in contact and he seemed to have very little luck... im running out of ideas here i want to help but if the main ppl are not around then we cant really do much... it looks like the admin team have gone completely awol ... im almost tempted to say we should find someon willing to do free hosting (someone mentioned it in one of th forums) and mirror the site...but that defeats the idea of having one nice place... id raher fix than replace....anyone got any ideas?

unapproachable2kx said:
try to ask more to Peter Poelman e Lumpistefan about admins. 8)
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I'm far away being an admin or anything else here. :roll: I'm just a normal user as you are...
But I've talked to a few of the xda-deveolpers team at the fair cebit in the middle of march. They have lot of work, so this maybe the point why they aren't so often in the forum. And i think for 99% the community just works well without any of those "admins"...
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-NEW Profiles: add XDA3,Magician,etc..options
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The profiles (XDA and XDA II) are a special patch for the phpBB-Software. Sadly this patch do not allow more than two profiles. This is the case why only those 2 profiles exists and why the forum is splitted in seperate sections (XDA, XDA II, MAgician, Blueangel, ...)
Regards
Stefan

hey thanks for the info lumpistefan
tis a bit of a shame we cant get hold of someone able to solve the slowness and ftp issue!
with regards to the faq's im gonna try and make an introduction to the himalaya cover sim lock flashing and a few other important things in my spare time if anyone feels like working on the other hansets feel free.. my plan is to do it over next couple of weeks and post it for review make sure i cover everything.

Looks like the site is starting to get quicker again.
Well done to who ever fixed this.
Much more enjoyable browsing through the posts.
Keep up the good work.

Amphetamine dust on the cpu did the trick.

Thank you tim_programmer for starting this topic.
I am coming towards the end of a project that's been keeping me busy. Once finished, I would be happy to lend a hand also.
Whilst lumpistefan has a point about admins, I believe they are needed. Human nature dictates that while the cat's away the mice will play. Trouble is, some of the mice (the 1%) are turning into rats
As regards WM2005, although I don't agree in censorship in that we should be able to discuss it, etc., it is obvious that Microsoft are not going to tolerate very much and we (the site) are on very thin ice by allowing hosting of content and links, etc. Again, it is the admins duty to sort this out. We have pushed the envelope with stuff before, but that involved already released products.
Some of us reverse, some of us hack. We can still do that when WM2005 is released officially (in whatever language )

i agree server has got quicker...tis nice
with regards to wm2005 its only the hosting im concerned with everything else like discussing hacking reverse engineering go for it!

Ummm.... (I'm feeling like I might regret this...) it wouldn't be that hard to start an alternative website for these machines. Not that I wish to minimise the huge contribution made by xda-developers.com to the understanding and improving of these HTC devices, but if the admins on this site don't have the time to moderate it and manage it and don't respond to offers of help or support then perhaps we should form an alternative?
I'm a web developer and have worked in the past with the Minerva forum/website package ( www.project-minerva.org ) and it's very very good when you're looking for a website-in-a-box. It wouldn't be so hard to set it up and try to take some of the load off xda-developers.com while acknowledging the work that's been done here so far.
Edit - as for the site getting quicker, well it isn't for me. Just took 5 minutes to submit this post...
I don't often look at this site these days because the speed is so bad. It'll be losing regulars already I'm sure.

wow. this hasn't been posted in in forever. Sorry to revive this but there is some good info here. I want to help get this site back on track as well. I have tons of free time to dedicate as well.

Yep, got to agree. The main problem is lazyness by posters. No one reads http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4534.
There are so many infringements of 1,2,and 5.
But what can you do ? You can't just ban people, because its normally just done once or twice by somebody when they are desperate for a solution.
The problem here is, as was said higher up, the number of threads on the same subject almost makes the search useless because it is hard to find the one with the definitive answer. I try to help people but when you see a question that has been asked numerous times before you think "why should I bother, I'll have to search to point hime in the correct direction, so why can't he"
What I did suggest was that duplicated posts/repeated topics were moved to a repetition bin, and deleted after a week. But at the moment the amount of work for the mods each day would be huge.

I agree with everythig that has been said in this post, I have been browsing xda-developers for about 3 years now, altho i have only been registered about a year, as my contribution has been very little.
However i feel that my knowledge has increase greatly, mainly due to this site, and i would love to help with FAQ's, Admin, Reviews, and anything else you guys want help with. I dont have a lot of free time, but any that i do have i will gladly donate to xda-developers in the hope that we can make this site what it used to be.
I think it is obvious that something needs to be done, but at the moment we only have suggestions and unless someone steps forward with a solution that is all this post is going to be. (this sounds a bit harsh, sorry).
So here's to keeping the community alive.
Dahquim

kevino said:
Yep, got to agree. The main problem is lazyness by posters. No one reads http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4534.
What I did suggest was that duplicated posts/repeated topics were moved to a repetition bin, and deleted after a week. But at the moment the amount of work for the mods each day would be huge.
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This would be a massive task, sure, but a site this big could do with more moderators to move and delete duplicate posts. There are a lot of people who have been a member of this site for quite some time who I am sure wouldn't mind chipping in to help if they were asked, I know I would like the chance to give more back to this site after the help, support and knowledge I have gained. How many moderators do we have at the moment? Just my thoughts, I love this forum and would love to help improve it.

domain expires this year!
kevino said:
Yep, got to agree. The main problem is lazyness by posters. No one reads http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4534.
There are so many infringements of 1,2,and 5.
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Yes but that's your standard problem on all forums. The underlying problem is that the administrators have abandoned us. We need a few full time mods to make everything runs smoother. A LOT needs to be updated.
One of the biggest problems i noticed with the site immediately was it's speed. The one place we can improove the sites speed almost instantly is the search. There is NO search flood control in place. There is also no limit on the minimum size of a search string. So it's capturing at the at, or, it, to, etc. searches. Id needs to have wildcards enabled. and filter out two letter searches. (maybe even three, but with the phone names the filtering might just be a pain)
Also i don't know if anyone realizes but www.xda-developers.com will expire on 12/12 of 2006. I have emailed the person that is registered under the domain name and haven't received a reply yet. If i don't soon I may just go to a third party and reserve the domain when it expires. Although there's also the problem of getting all the infinite information off this guys server which is probably sitting in his basement in the netherlands.
It would be ideal to get another server and mirror this site on it as .net or something. But i don't know if we currently have enough traffic to generate the kind of revenue needed to keep the thing paid for.
And as a side note. Does anyone know how i can download from the ftp? It just disconnects me instantly with flashfxp, firefox, or ie.
[edit] also the search needs to have more options and a "titles only" search would greatly help narrow things down. There needs to be a "README: How to search" sticky detailing boolean searches.

Dash forums?

Well guys, what forums are there for the Dash? I have been lurking around this one, modaco.com, and qusers.com. Any others I should know about?

howardforums.com is still the most active forum for the excalibur i've seen so far
under the htc, wm smartphone, and t-mobile wondows mobile subsections

Agreed, and I have yet to see a Excalibur specific forum similar to Qusers.........yet

dashusers.com...I'm working on it...need some moderators to help me out though.

I just joined Dashusers. Good to see it. I'll help if you can use me.

Thanks a lot for the support guys. I have been working a lot on getting it setup right. I am having trouble integrating the forums with it as my hosting service is being a pain in the butt. I am thinking of switching to another service altogether.
Whatever happens, it should be at least functional in a couple a days.

I finally got the forums working. You guys will need to re-register.
Thanks again for all the support.

Cool - I'll take a peek!

dashsmartzone is out there too.
There is also a forum started up called forum.dashsmartzone.com. It has a couple fairly technical Dash moderators targeting the finer points of the Dash.

To Moderators

Can you please make a new thread about HTC Cavalier, where we can address our issues about this model, insted of using HTC Excalibur thread.
Cheers

ibeqa said:
Can you please make a new thread about HTC Cavalier, where we can address our issues about this model, insted of using HTC Excalibur thread.
Cheers
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Ok i will put it to admin and the other mods - was thinking the same thing the other day.

I'll have to second this again. The Cavalier could really use it's own Thread.

We need Cavalier forum please.

Please create the HTC Cavalier/Dopod C730/HTC S630 forum.
Thanks!

OK, I repost the request to other mods.

Support to have a Cavalier forum

Strange, very strange!!!
HTC Cavalier for the moment is the best WM Smartphone money can buy and still there is no separate forum for this device. Even HTC Oxygen (technicly the worst HTC Smartphone) has it's separate forum.
Strange, very strange!!!
Cheers,

Yes why!!!
Apart from the iME problem, it is fast, new tech for the scroll and light sensor..why it is ignored?

...is it really selling well enough to have it's own area? Other than when it was released, you really don't hear that much about it.

chaznet said:
...is it really selling well enough to have it's own area? Other than when it was released, you really don't hear that much about it.
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Try google you will find your answes there. FYI, HOFO has full 41 pages on Cavalier.
Cheers

Right... There was a lot of info just prior to it's release, and then some reviews right after -- but it doesn't seem to have been picked up by a lot of carriers (at least here in the states). Have many of them sold?
Maybe they should create a forum for 'Other' smartphones that never really took off, and you could talk about it there?
ibeqa said:
Try google you will find your answes there. FYI, HOFO has full 41 pages on Cavalier.
Cheers
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chaznet said:
Right... There was a lot of info just prior to it's release, and then some reviews right after -- but it doesn't seem to have been picked up by a lot of carriers (at least here in the states). Have many of them sold?
Maybe they should create a forum for 'Other' smartphones that never really took off, and you could talk about it there?
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I know one thing that Cavalier is selling better than Oxygen, StarTrek, Monet and Breeze and finally it has better techical specs than any other smartphone on the market. Why carriers aren't picking it up, I really don't know and don't care as I don't buy phones with contract.
So your idea of "other" forum is good for above named phones but not for Cavalier.
There is another thing, HTC still did not anounce Cavalier for the rest of the world (except Asia), maybe this is why carriers aren't picking it up. If you want to get the device simply order it without a contract (for now). Even if this device goes on sale only on Asian Continet that does not meen that other people wont get it and that "it will not take off".
Cheers

Sounds like you're happy with it, must be a nice device.
ibeqa said:
I know one thing that Cavalier is selling better than Oxygen, StarTrek, Monet and Breeze and finally it has better techical specs than any other smartphone on the market. Why carriers aren't picking it up, I really don't know and don't care as I don't buy phones with contract.
So your idea of "other" forum is good for above named phones but not for Cavalier.
There is another thing, HTC still did not anounce Cavalier for the rest of the world (except Asia), maybe this is why carriers aren't picking it up. If you want to get the device simply order it without a contract (for now). Even if this device goes on sale only on Asian Continet that does not meen that other people wont get it and that "it will not take off".
Cheers
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I just got a Cavalier (Softbank X02HT) - Nice device - It would be nice to have a forum for it to share information about all the ins and outs.

Yes, a forum would be nice!
Thanks.
= P =

ibeqa said:
Try google you will find your answes there. FYI, HOFO has full 41 pages on Cavalier.
Cheers
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Yeah, I have been part of those 40+ pages on HoFo but that really just talks about the phone. I would like to know some new hacks and such.

My thoughts exactly. That is a user forum, not a hacker forum. I have several hacks I would like to post in that forum. For example:
After successfully unlocking the Application / security locks, I have succeeded making cleartype Japanese fonts from Meiryo (MeiryoKe), reducing size of fonts for reading and composing messages, and size of fonts for pop up menus (but not buttons).
I also succeeded to divert have incoming SMS messages get delivered to Pocket Outlook instead of the Softbank Mail application, but still have MMS (S! Mail) functionality handled by that application. (It seems that I can send outgoing SMS by either application)
I also figured out how to remap buttons and found out how to disable the Softbank Mail button on the Joggr (which was pretty annoying because I would accidentally hit it all the time, so I had to disable the entire Joggr).
I'm looking for information about how to enable Internet Connection Sharing - I haven't been able to get this working yet.

There's no forum, so I'll post here . . .
khammo01: have you posted your overall experience with X02HT anywhere yet? I'm using X01HT now -- WM6 in eigo. I'm guessing the X02HT came from Softbank already in English, right? If I switch over to the X02HT, I assume that the level of hacking I will have to do is much less than what I went through to get my X01HT working. The hacks you are mentioning are fairly minor tweaks, so am I correct in my assumption?
Thanks!

TheDaddy said:
There's no forum, so I'll post here . . .
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Well, it seems that xda-developers are gonna treat Cavalear as HTC does - as a "Bastard".
Pity...

AT&T Forums have banned all WM6 threads

I coasted over to the AT&T HTC forums today to look at all the WM5 users who are pissed about not having WM6 yet. (they should just come over here). Well turns out the Sentry has banned and locked all threads regarding WM6 and refuses and will erase every post regarding WM6 for the 8525.
WTF !
p.s. I have tiny balls.

Not logical?
ihavetinyballs said:
I coasted over to the AT&T HTC forums today to look at all the WM5 users who are pissed about not having WM6 yet. (they should just come over here). Well turns out the Sentry has banned and locked all threads regarding WM6 and refuses and will erase every post regarding WM6 for the 8525.
WTF !
p.s. I have tiny balls.
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ATT rep or mod on that forum is an idiot and a prick
thats not how you fix a problem by erasing instead of confronting the issue with wm6 release official for 8525

Well I read some guy posted pics of 2 old men having sex. Probably the same guy who's been posting AT&T Eats Babies all over other threads. Ok so ban him and erase HIS posts.
Banning all WM6 threads is pretty 1984 of them.
By the way I read on Howard forums it's coming out Oct 19th. But who knows if that's true.

For what it's worth, someone in the AT&T forum emailed the CEO and got a call from that office. That person stated that it would be out on Oct. 19th also. Personally, I won't believe it until I see the download link.

they've reopened WM6 discussion as of 9AM this morning.

me @ att forums said:
It's funny how this board is run. Its kinda like freedom of speech in Myanmar. Well I hope AT&T knows if no official release WM6 comes out they will be refunding 100% of the money I paid for my 8525 on a basis of fraud. Thats right. The box says right on it "Coming in 2007, Windows Mobile 6 Upgrade" therefore they are in breach of contract on fulfilling their end of the sale. And before you ask, no I am not a lawyer but my wife is a paralegal and her bosses are all lawyers and say that this is in fact a BREACH OF CONTRACT issue if WM6 is not released in the next 74 days 13 hours and 20 minutes. I cant wait till T-Mobile deploys 3G, I would love to pay $20 for a data package for whatever device I use, and deal with REAL customer service. AT&T is going to be implementing a prorated ETF soon. I will be taking full advantage of this once T-Mos 3G goes live.
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Lets see how long it takes to get banned.

leoiden said:
ATT rep or mod on that forum is an idiot and a prick
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Would "prick" be Sentry's first or last name?

Ban all ATT forum references
Mod.......Please ban all references to ATT forum. Why is anyone even referencing it here ?????

angelome said:
Mod.......Please ban all references to ATT forum. Why is anyone even referencing it here ?????
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I don't understand why people want to close threads they are not interested in. If you don't want to discuss AT&T, then don't read this thread.
In the words of Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?"

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Mod.......Please ban all references to ATT forum. Why is anyone even referencing it here ?????
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After that, please ban all references to "angelome".

mdhensley5 said:
I don't understand why people want to close threads they are not interested in. If you don't want to discuss AT&T, then don't read this thread.
In the words of Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?"
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That wasnt what i meant. We all know ATT forum is a joke. We could all sit around the bar and tell lots of sad and funny stories. I dont think XDA is meant for that purpose. Also the more its discussed the more creadance you give the issue. I by no means advocate censorship. To each his own i guess.
Chears

It looks like you are getting your wish because my AT&T forum censorship thread has totally disappeared. Does the long arm of AT&T reach all the way over here?

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It looks like you are getting your wish because my AT&T forum censorship thread has totally disappeared. Does the long arm of AT&T reach all the way over here?
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it's in the off topic forum now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335566

Thanks, Jamie. You would think I would get a PM or something.

angelome said:
Mod.......Please ban all references to ATT forum. Why is anyone even referencing it here ?????
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When i first read this I thought he was just mocking ATT because they ban the mention of XDA.
Guess i was wrong

Coming to the dark side . . .
ihavetinyballs said:
I coasted over to the AT&T HTC forums today to look at all the WM5 users who are pissed about not having WM6 yet. (they should just come over here). Well turns out the Sentry has banned and locked all threads regarding WM6 and refuses and will erase every post regarding WM6 for the 8525.
WTF !
p.s. I have tiny balls.
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It takes some courage for a newer Windows Mobile user to come here since one of the top posts is a warning about unofficial ROMs. The threads warn about everything from bricking your device to your balls falling off . . . well almost to your balls falling off. Once someone decides to come to the "dark side", it takes a while to figure out what what downloads to use. The instructions were easy and the just the upgrade in radio was worth the effort.

its not over yet at the Att forums
http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&thread.id=59662
Sentry has reopened wm6 discussion but with 'conditions'

Sort of
mcorrie1121 said:
When i first read this I thought he was just mocking ATT because they ban the mention of XDA.
Guess i was wrong
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Actually it was supposed to be taken tongue and cheek. But i know some people are very sensitive.

angelome said:
Actually it was supposed to be taken tongue and cheek. But i know some people are very sensitive.
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No harm, no foul. I can be kind of testical sometimes.

Turn on SMS over IMS?

Can someone tell what was the default setting on the Turn on SMS over IMS? Should that feature be on or off and what does it do in general thanks?

You don't have to start another thread just because your first one didn't get answered...
Swiftkey'ed on my CM9 Galaxy Nexus

Thanks for the info that helped alot.

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Thanks for the info that helped alot.
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OP, it's a pain asking on message boards,people get all defensive when they don't know the answer!
The only semi-useful info I could find was at code.google.com - (I'm a new user, can't post URL's)

Herman76 said:
You don't have to start another thread just because your first one didn't get answered...
Swiftkey'ed on my CM9 Galaxy Nexus
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This whole site has a great deal of unhelpful, self righteous twats. Top it off with the stupid posting restrictions for new users and you have a pretty damn unfriendly place for noobs. I should have known from the snarky video I had to watch just to join that this was an exclusive Android guru only place. It sucks that people come here to chat and get help with issues and this is the kind of responses they get. Good job. :thumbdown:
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app

chasmanz28 said:
Can someone tell what was the default setting on the Turn on SMS over IMS? Should that feature be on or off and what does it do in general thanks?
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The default setting is off.
IMS = IP Multimedia Subsystem
IP = Internet Protocol
SIP = Session Initiation Protocol
With setting off, SMS is sent/received over 1x circuit switched connection
With setting on, SMS is supposedly sent/received over a SIP session over IP (e.g. LTE)
I'm not sure if one is better than the other or what advantages/disadvantages either would have.

Is IMS even functional? I know it will be for VoLTE, but what about now?

Xfanatic said:
This whole site has a great deal of unhelpful, self righteous twats. Top it off with the stupid posting restrictions for new users and you have a pretty damn unfriendly place for noobs. I should have known from the snarky video I had to watch just to join that this was an exclusive Android guru only place. It sucks that people come here to chat and get help with issues and this is the kind of responses they get. Good job. :thumbdown:
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I 100% agree with this.

Herman76 said:
You don't have to start another thread just because your first one didn't get answered...
Swiftkey'ed on my CM9 Galaxy Nexus
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Look at this dudes signature, you can tell he's a corn ball.
Anyway, I was curious about this too because sms over ims is supposed to be available when volte launches, which hasn't yet (volte is voice and sms coming over LTE). Right now only data comes over LTE. Voice is still 1x with some other convoluted ehrpd stuff.
Anyhow, any luck with this? Did you give it a try? I imagine your data usage would go up since text would go against your data usage.

Xfanatic said:
This whole site has a great deal of unhelpful, self righteous twats. Top it off with the stupid posting restrictions for new users and you have a pretty damn unfriendly place for noobs. I should have known from the snarky video I had to watch just to join that this was an exclusive Android guru only place. It sucks that people come here to chat and get help with issues and this is the kind of responses they get. Good job. :thumbdown:
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Finally, someone whom sees it how I do. It's sad to see that this still happens. Every since the BB days and mIRC chat all the way up until now it continues. Forums are meant to help the "Noob" or "Lam3r" if any of you are old enough to remember that term. If you want to help then great, but if not then I would love for these fat, anti-social dorks to do something other than harass and discourage the young ones (and the older) who wish to learn.
If everyone could follow that philosophy as a general rule. Kind of like Open Source software, it's done for a cause, something greater than one's self. If forum users (not naming any in particular) would open their minds and allow a bit of tolerance for the unknowing rather than providing links to this, this and this (which sometimes is the easiest way to resolve and issue or answer a question). But god forbid if someone doesn't use the search feature.
I understand that answering the same questions over and over again is annoying. But rather than push that person off with another link or trolling comment just think back to when you were that "Lam3r" or that "N00b" noone wanted to help back in the 90's and how frustrating it was.
None of us started out this life knowing anything about software development, computers and networking, telecommunications, etc. But when a forum is created, watch out....everyone is an expert and "you are an idiot" if you have a simple question to ask. N00b's, don't let these loser's discourage you. Keep looking for your answers on XDA and you will find someone willing to help. There are tons of super cool members here.
And again, I'm with you 100% Xfanatic....
Deuces.

PAinguINx said:
Finally, someone whom sees it how I do. It's sad to see that this still happens. Every since the BB days and mIRC chat all the way up until now it continues. Forums are meant to help the "Noob" or "Lam3r" if any of you are old enough to remember that term. If you want to help then great, but if not then I would love for these fat, anti-social dorks to do something other than harass and discourage the young ones (and the older) who wish to learn.
If everyone could follow that philosophy as a general rule. Kind of like Open Source software, it's done for a cause, something greater than one's self. If forum users (not naming any in particular) would open their minds and allow a bit of tolerance for the unknowing rather than providing links to this, this and this (which sometimes is the easiest way to resolve and issue or answer a question). But god forbid if someone doesn't use the search feature.
I understand that answering the same questions over and over again is annoying. But rather than push that person off with another link or trolling comment just think back to when you were that "Lam3r" or that "N00b" noone wanted to help back in the 90's and how frustrating it was.
None of us started out this life knowing anything about software development, computers and networking, telecommunications, etc. But when a forum is created, watch out....everyone is an expert and "you are an idiot" if you have a simple question to ask. N00b's, don't let these loser's discourage you. Keep looking for your answers on XDA and you will find someone willing to help. There are tons of super cool members here.
And again, I'm with you 100% Xfanatic....
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I agree with you about agreeing with Xfanatic...and Lam3rs should not get discouraged because there really are good people out there!
On the topic - this reminds me of the setting in older phones (maybe began with the first few colour phones?) of using GPRS for SMS. Never really understood if it had any advantage/disadvantage and it was disabled by default. I didnt see any change in performance if it was on or off, and also couldn't see a notable change in data usage but it was harder to track back then...

ishaang said:
I agree with you about agreeing with Xfanatic...and Lam3rs should not get discouraged because there really are good people out there!
On the topic - this reminds me of the setting in older phones (maybe began with the first few colour phones?) of using GPRS for SMS. Never really understood if it had any advantage/disadvantage and it was disabled by default. I didnt see any change in performance if it was on or off, and also couldn't see a notable change in data usage but it was harder to track back then...
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How old are the phones you're referring to?

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How old are the phones you're referring to?
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Before phones were smart.

Haha! some like the P900 I still have a lot of respect for and it was probably as smart as todays phones with less gimmick
I was talking about phones from around 2002 or 2003...Nokia 7250i for example
This user's guide I found for the phone has the setting listed as one of the features - http://dl.owneriq.net/4/41149a6d-d289-4d77-b932-7006a2d469d8.pdf

IMS
wikipedia is your friend ref: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Multimedia_Subsystem .. option remains relevant for new phones ie Nexus 4 etc. Sometimes registration is required to enable.
Rob

T-mobile definitely utilizes LTE(SIP - see above for definition) for sending texts. Not sure about other carriers.
Edit: I just tested on and off with or without registration, and really don't experience any noticeable difference regardless of how it's set. None the less, its apparently active on T-Mobile network.

Really?
You guys are all such a big help for people aren't you. this comes up in the top of a lot of SMS/IMS search results and you people are arguing over internet politics. juts fricken help people or move along okay? I gave up on trying to find my answer in this muck!

Cry babys
Dj_Dvkane said:
You guys are all such a big help for people aren't you. this comes up in the top of a lot of SMS/IMS search results and you people are arguing over internet politics. juts fricken help people or move along okay? I gave up on trying to find my answer in this muck!
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AGREE!
I wish I found my answer in this thread as I found during my friend Google search.
Instead I wasted my time reading blah blah blah Cry Babys blah!

I cant get 4g on my sony xperia m2 and when i got to network operators no 4g shows up please help