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Strange !! flashing the Schap's WM6 Pro 3.60a ROMs memory less than actual

I flashed the Schap's WM6 Pro 3.60a ROMs many times but I have the Memory indicating less than the one in screen shot of the ROM
I make hard rest many times , NO WAY
see picture attached that compare the real memory of the ROM as shown in screen shot of Schap's WM6 Pro 3.60a ROMs
and my HERMES memory directlly after flashing the ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=48580&stc=1&d=1188406997
I did not installed ANY app.
what to do ?

What's wrong with posting in the thread for Schaps rom 3.60....

Sorry for that
But can anybody explain why i have lower Memory than the original in screen shoots
again I did not install any.. just flashing the ROM and I have lower memory
thanx

You sure you did not add anything on startup? or you have a clean EXT ROM?

DaVince said:
You sure you did not add anything on startup? or you have a clean EXT ROM?
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Yes Sure Bcus I try flashing the ROM 3 times and make hard rest 2 times still
the Memo less

i used X01HT & Schap's WM6 pro 3.60a....and be the same with you...
Big Storgare only: 51.96 MBs...
Maybe X01HT only have 51.96 MBs...cannot bigstorgare anymore
(i'm VietNamese...Sorry for my English)

I have similar memory issues and have posted something in the Schaps 3.60a thread, but, errrr, cant find my post now lol...

Starfury said:
I have similar memory issues and have posted something in the Schaps 3.60a thread, but, errrr, cant find my post now lol...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1458772#post1458772

You think not truly
Even the memory is shown as less but it runs faster than any other ROMs.Try to use it in progress, some applications, they work great and faster. Furthermore, Schap is a great moderator.

winforall_xda-developers said:
Even the memory is shown as less but it runs faster than any other ROMs.Try to use it in progress, some applications, they work great and faster. Furthermore, Schap is a great moderator.
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Yeh the ROM is great and I cant remember any points where I had any problems with slowdown. I check the active apps list and close stuff I am not using regularly anyway.
Waiting eagerly for his next release and a new radio rom to fix the 1.51 problems (edit: yes I know Schaps has nothing to do with the Radio rom).
OT a sec but you think Orange will nerf Windows Live out of their version of the Tytn II?

It looks many people have this problem ,
what is your idea Schaps about this issue

Solution is simple
Guys,
In order to get the memory figures fromt the Schaps 3.60a post, you need to install the LITE version and NOT THE FULL one. Then you will get what you expect
Now for some reason I was not happy with the LITE one because it reported something like 28 MB for programs even after taking the Home weather Plugin off the today screen.
So what I did was I used the full version, dumped the rom, took out some stuff and put others in, repackaged the rom and flashed.
I got what I wanted and my program storage is up to 30MB after a soft reset and no htc home plugin in the today screen.

You can use Dinarsoft's Memaid 2 . It has 4 setups in one of its tabs you can choose of.
Memory,Extreme Memory,Speed, Extreme Speed. It changes font cashe,file system cashe values and other stuffs.
With Extreme Memory you can have these or similar values but with Extreme Speed you get a more reactive device.
Choose by your needs

Touchflo 2d Manila On Artemis Working Great

FOR WHO WANTS ORIGINAL TOUCHFLO 2D MANILA ON ARTEMIS:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425694
IT WORKS REALLY FINE AND SMOOTH ON
I HAVE AN ARTEMIS ANJA AND MOSSI ROM 6.1

i second this on yues extra-clean!
greetz
p.s. one thing i really dont fancy about those manila guys is their not displaying the version details in the cab name, this way you find various .cab version posted everywhere and never know which one it is!

this 1 is much better thn all those throttle launcher themes

... just one thing i am missing:
how to change the buttons of the bottom row- order and showing buttons-- i just dont need all of them!
greetz
p.s.. the manila dialer is cooked into yue_v9.1 extraclean !!!!

thormdac edit the file HTCHomeSettings.xml search for tabs and disable what you wont!i gonna try to make a lite version... the last cab install around 330 files to windows directory!!! insane

I haven't tried that combined package yet, but everything installed from single packages works fine on Tom's oops.

Are you going to release this rom in a single package?

zoko said:
thormdac edit the file HTCHomeSettings.xml search for tabs and disable what you wont!i gonna try to make a lite version... the last cab install around 330 files to windows directory!!! insane
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will try that!
would be nice if you could make a light version
thanx

Works but not so impressed
Tested it on YuE's clean rom, it works but that's all.
Don't find it so spectacular cause I work with SPB Mobile Shell 2.0 with Diamondskin 2.1
This Manilla thing it's a combination of Spb Mobile Shell Diamond Theme & Throttlelauncher.
BUT it would be nice to implement in any new roms, don't like the HTC Diamond home plugin in the middle of the screen... And they cannot implement the Mobile Shell 2.0 with Diamond theme as homescreen cause it's not freeware...
Only the clock is not so nice on the startup screen, but this can maybe be changed.

just installed it on my artemis touch 4.02 lite no cube rom, it took about ten minutes to install, then when i restarted it about 7 minutes for the pda to load back up, and everything was so sluggish ! I then tried to uninstall it and that took about 15 mins then gave up and said it could'nt uninstall it properly.
Thanks god i have a sprite backup to restore.
It may have been my fault though, i selected install to storage card ? or maybe it just installs to windows anyway.
oh well...

you must install to the device, even though it lets you choose.

oh well i cant even restore, so i have to reflash again, what a pain

i tend to agree,
even on my rocket fast yue extraclean, i feel extremely slowed down (in comparison to without it) in trade for which gain?- optics? hope we can lighten this baby down
greetz

corky said:
just installed it on my artemis touch 4.02 lite no cube rom, it took about ten minutes to install, then when i restarted it about 7 minutes for the pda to load back up, and everything was so sluggish ! I then tried to uninstall it and that took about 15 mins then gave up and said it could'nt uninstall it properly.
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The same for me (with an extralight rom and installing Manila 2d in device).
It works but.......very slowwww.
I unistalled it (correctly) but starting time after soft reset was too long: only solution a hard reset.

What about RAM consuption... What can you tell me about it?

I'm also uninstalling it, Spb Mobile Shell with Diamondskin 2.1 is much nicer to work with...
I haven't experienced any slow down of my P3300 with this either...
The Manilla 2D is still in beta, maybe some programmers can speed it up so that rom-builders can cook it in their roms.

HI,
I don't know why your manila 2d is slow , I only can suppose that must install a wm 6.1 diamond rom based , for example i get the anja and mossi on it , or must look for some rom similar
My manila 2d it is fast and works really well, anyway before installing it I uninstall all gui stuff like SPB shell
I installed manila on memory device and not on sd card
I have 14 MB ram free once manila is working , and is working well

i second to the past users' comments
i have tom's oops black 1.0 installed, and i've installed manilla on my device.
everyone should agree that touchFLO 3D aka manilla wasnt actually designed for artemis.. bt it was targeted for diamond which has higher ROM, higher RAM and a higher processors with a graphics device to assist its processes. it would be slow on any device with 128MB ROM and 64MB RAM and a 200MHz processor.
however, its not that slow.. i have 15MB free after Manilla is up and running after power-on.. i can use other applications fine.. bt surely the startup is slow.. takes a bit of patience heheh..
anyway its nice work from another xda developer.. i greatly appreciate ur work...
i've been using manilla on my artemis since it was launched for artemis.. im happy abt it..
hope that somebody can make it less bloating, more efficient, faster and more usable with better customizations..
xda developers rules!

thormdac said:
i tend to agree,
even on my rocket fast yue extraclean, i feel extremely slowed down (in comparison to without it) in trade for which gain?- optics? hope we can lighten this baby down
greetz
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how about reflashing but this time with 8mb pagepool ?

From where can I download Touch flo Manilla 2D or 3D even for my artemis (arte110)?

Looking for the fastest manila 2d ROM

Hello because the low RAM on trinity im looking for the simpliest ROM (Only basic apps) with manila2D.
I tried a lot of roms and the fastest was cme 0.9 BETA which has a lot of issues.
Can someone help me?

I would definutly recommend this ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=472178
its Team CV93+Oggi (CE OS 5.2.21014.1.6.0) Manila2D and there is a ultra-lite version, I have been using it for about a week (full ROM) and it is fast - stable and im sure the lite versions will be even faster.
Sorry I cant give more details

PDAViet TRINITY WM6.1 ROM V44 - Build 20748.1.4.0 (Manila2D) is mine tip, download and password is PhamQuang

Snake_A said:
Hello because the low RAM on trinity im looking for the simpliest ROM (Only basic apps) with manila2D.
I tried a lot of roms and the fastest was cme 0.9 BETA which has a lot of issues.
Can someone help me?
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Hi Snake_A.
The simplest Manila2D ROM (i.e. with the lowest number of potentially not needed add ons) that I have found is nosedive's latest:
[ROM][WWE][4/2/2009]n073e+i (CE OS 5.2.20769 build20769.1.4.5) [ONLINE]
It's faster than any others I have tried and has no issues (apart from psshut not letting you turn the device competely off). Bear in mind that speed on any Rom will depend on what you add after the flash. Reducing the number of Manila2D tabs (using m2Dc customiser) and switching off Manila2D during use of applications like TomTom and Internet Exploring does help.
Chanvi's pre-Iolite/Footprint ones are excellent too, but have more add ons (which you may not need, depending on personal preference). (Chanvi leads the way in Iolite/Footprint experimentation, but so far they seem to use more memory than previous versions.)
Both the above cooks are very active in the Trinity forum and always answer any problems. There are other great cooks who are also opening doors with their work and well worth testing their Roms, but if you are after simplicity and stability, I recommend nosedive or chanvi at the moment.
Hope this helps you and others,
Mattster.

I'm starting to miss Manila2D... I hope some updated Manila2D Roms come out soon.

Mattster_spv said:
I'm starting to miss Manila2D... I hope some updated Manila2D Roms come out soon.
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try cooking the latest 6.5 build from chanvi's kitchen. it has the jade 1.2 M2D OEM!

philocritus said:
try cooking the latest 6.5 build from chanvi's kitchen. it has the jade 1.2 M2D OEM!
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Hi Philocritus.
I have been thinking of trying that, but to tell you the truth I don't like the iconic start menu in Windows 6.5. I prefer the list format start menu of 6.1.
I have just flashed the 21042 6.1 full manila ROM from chanvi's Kitchen. Do you know how it compares to the latest 6.5 build?
Mattster.

Mattster_spv said:
Hi Philocritus.
I have been thinking of trying that, but to tell you the truth I don't like the iconic start menu in Windows 6.5. I prefer the list format start menu of 6.1.
I have just flashed the 21042 6.1 full manila ROM from chanvi's Kitchen. Do you know how it compares to the latest 6.5 build?
Mattster.
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Mattster my friend, welcome back..
I have tried both 6.1 and 6.5 in various options. Summary:
1. 6.1 or 6.5 makes no difference as far as speed. It is all CPU/clocking dependent. they both slow down the same with heavy graphics, and suffer the same behavior. It's all in the hardware..
2. Size of page pool makes a difference for speeds. But it is a trade off between free RAM and speed. It is depending what your needs are. again- 6.1 or 6.5 is not making a difference . Some claim 6.5 is slower, but really in order to say that one needs to compare apples with apples. two different ROMS are , by definition, apple and orange.
3. Try WM6.5 by Chanvi. Give it 72 hours before you give up on the bee hive you hate. After you get used to it, and to the slick movement of it, you will have hard time going back to the dull WM6.1 menus.
4. You will have to forget about 'dirty Harry' pose with the stylus in the mouth. Menus are SOOOOOOO finger friendly my stylus is rusting in its place inside the phone. No WM6.1 has this kind of GUI. Not even if artificially trying to add finger friendly menus. Even the X button on the upper right is thumb friendly !
5. Enjoy both worlds. Home2 now has an applet and theme that looks exactly as M2D. I have it installed on home2 and it's fun, not mentioning I go from analog to digital clock on the home tab in a flick of a finger. If you like the idea of home2 than install WM6.5 IE6Ultralite cause you really don't need CHome or M2D in the ROM. You will be surprised to get 28M free RAM and 79M free storage that way, and a phone faster than ever..
bigE

BigE said:
...You will have to forget about 'dirty Harry' pose with the stylus in the mouth. Menus are SOOOOOOO finger friendly my stylus is rusting in its place inside the phone. No WM6.1 has this kind of GUI. Not even if artificially trying to add finger friendly menus. Even the X button on the upper right is thumb friendly !
Enjoy both worlds. Home2 now has an applet and theme that looks exactly as M2D. I have it installed on home2 and it's fun, not mentioning I go from analog to digital clock on the home tab in a flick of a finger. If you like the idea of home2 than install WM6.5 IE6Ultralite cause you really don't need CHome or M2D in the ROM. You will be surprised to get 28M free RAM and 79M free storage that way, and a phone faster than ever..
bigE
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Hi bigE.
Thanks for the feedback. Most informative as always, and much appreciated. Funny you should mention the "Dirty Harry" look. I am somewhat famous for it in the office, and I tend to chew on my stylus continually...
On holiday, I had Manila2d and spb shell both turned off, and as a result I now find it irritatingly slow going back to them! I'll follow your suggestion this weekend: home2 with WM6.5 IE6Ultralite.
Is it worth me trying to cook home2 (it's freeware, no?) into the ROM using Chanvi's kitchen? Maybe you've done it already?
Mattster.

Best ROM that I ever have tested (and I have tested a lot of them) is:
[ROM][WWE] Windows Mobile 6.1 5.2.20270.1.3.1 Ver. 0.4.7.5 (Updated: 2009.04.04) by osavioro
Memory foot print with Home, Messages, E-mail, Settings and Programs tabs enabled in Manila2D:
Storage:
Total: 43.67MB
In Use: 23.67MB
Free: 20.00 MB
Program:
Total: 48.68MB
In Use: 29.56MB
Free: 19.12MB
iGO8 works like a charm. Fast with lot of usefull applications. Dont forget to install Manila customizer so you can disable unwanted tabs and save some memory.
No problems at all.

Mattster_spv said:
Hi bigE.
Is it worth me trying to cook home2 (it's freeware, no?) into the ROM using Chanvi's kitchen? Maybe you've done it already?
Mattster.
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Worth trying, if you know how.. I didn't. One comment though- there is a non official release of the home2 free (you need to do some reading) where Joel made the home2.exe file use storage memory to dump graphics files. that made home2 work in 90% speed it was before, but free RAM is 4-5M bigger. If you think of cooking home2 I would like to know how you do it.. I have no clue how to take a cab and add it into the kitchen..
bigE

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Worth trying, if you know how.. I didn't. One comment though- there is a non official release of the home2 free (you need to do some reading) where Joel made the home2.exe file use storage memory to dump graphics files. that made home2 work in 90% speed it was before, but free RAM is 4-5M bigger. If you think of cooking home2 I would like to know how you do it.. I have no clue how to take a cab and add it into the kitchen..
bigE
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I gave up on home2 since it sucked the battery dry in one day! plus it was a very memory hungry app... maybe just maybeeeee i'll return to it when that exe is stable.
miss home1 btw... 1.2 was in my opinion on of the best UI around, and still is my favorite behind m2d

Trinity ROM WM6.5 (BETA-V46) CHO HTC TRINITY

Hi,
I found this new rom from PDAVIET.
Here's the link:
http://rapidshare.com/files/203587319/TRIN_WM6.5__3_00_707_46__B21169.rar
Password: PhamQuang
Who wants to try?

Beta 47 just posted...
If anyone is interested...
http://rapidshare.com/files/205688353/TRIN_WM6.5__3_00_707_47__B21169.rar
Same password as above.

Have you tried the rom yet?
Any chance of some more info and screen shots?
Cheers

Beta 47 initial review
Although i am not a big fan of M2D, and V47 is M2D rom, I am going to give it a try. I am running it for few minutes only, so i can't give any real feedback, besides the obvious. First- WM6.5 (M2D off) takes about 28M RAM, and since the page pool is set to 6M, there are only 48M RAM to begin with. This gives only 20M of free RAM. Kind of low than i want, but considering WM6.5 it was expected. With M2D on (as set as default) there are only 12M free RAM. That is BEFORE trying to have anything else, or changing tabs...
Phone wakes up with wrong time and date (not a big deal) , and finds the right network nice (I am in the US). One graphic bug is obvious- task manager and X button are too big, and cover the clock on the top right corner of the upper bar.
Free memory (applications) after installation (nothing added) is 48.22M total, of which 4.74M are taken. Pretty low, considering other roms with 70M. I guess M2D and the new WM are bigger.
I have changed page pool to 4M, gaining extra 2M RAM, and it seems to be stable and fast enough for my needs. 51M RAM, of which 18.55M free with M2D on, and 20M RAM.
The next step I took was trying to sync time using the tool called 'Synchro time'. As soon as I did, a pop-up message told me the rom is a 7 day trial, and right after that I have a 'screen of death' on my phone telling me: "that concludes the beta test of the software..."
I don't know if this is because of the time sync or not. I had to hard reset the phone and start all over, hoping it will not happen again that soon..
I let M2D run, not doing anything on the phone. After 15 minutes I was left with 12M of free RAM. I have installed SKTools, set shadow RAM cleaning, and optimized for maximum memory. Soft reset the phone and it starts with 18.46M free RAM with M2D, 20.51M without. Too low for my taste. using free-up RAM by SKTools gives 23M free if M2D is off.
As for the bee-hive shape of WM6.5 - I find it annoying. applications change location on you, and there is not logical sequence where they will be. I had to scroll 3 pages to find an application, and the scroll isn't smooth. Also- on pop-up windows - the OK button on the top right is missing, but pushing the corner where it suppose to be do close them up.
I am installing email accounts, and will let you know how it goes.. I don't think i will keep it, because it is a memory hog rom, although stable and performance is not too bad.
BigE

Test is over... after 1 hour
Ok folks, memory management of this rom is horrible. I don't know if it WM6.5, or the M2D, but for sure it is impossible to have only 8M RAM free after one hour of use. All i have done was connect to an exchange server, and have made nothing else. Kept the phone aside and looked at memory after an hour. Dropped from 18M to 8M and I think after enough time it would have crashed. it seems memory leaks.
I would be very afraid to leave home with this rom. first it 'expire'. Then it leaks memory, and third the WM6.5 is not my cup of tea at all. I hate the bee-hive and the way it moves on the phone. Only way to organize it is to create folders and move shortcuts around. WM6.5 has some nice tabs and scroll bars, but it does not justify the rest. IMHO it is a draw back from WM6.1 , even if 6.1 isn't perfect at least it works and I know how to work around the bugs. 6.5 is not for trinity, I am afraid...
Ah, there are also at least one shortcut (getting started) that does not work for me (error message trying to run).
Well, it is BETA for a reason, but knowing PDAViet, I would say he tried the impossible and was almost doing a good job. As for myself- i am back to FinixOver 3.7UL and pointui2 as plugin. Quick, 30M free RAM, nice animation and stable like I need. RAM do not leak, and phone is running smooth.
Was it a complete waste of time to try? No, I have learned some good lesson. Will be very suspicious with other WM6.5 roms..
BigE

Additional feedback
Agreeing with all BigE said above, I add:
1) No video call in dialer.
2) "getting started" app does not work.
3) The "titanium" today plug-in is having many of Manilla-2d functionality with (a little) less memory consumption.
4) Uniting advanced power and backlight setting to one screen is (at last) very well welcomed.
5)memory...memory...memory.

I concur with the above findings. It is unfortunately not very responsive. I guess the overhead is too much for our Trinity.
The ROM lags terribly. However, I still appreciate the effort made by PDAViet.

Hello guys
Why so negative ?? WM 6.5 is the futur , i am on my own Rom wm6.5 build 21169 FRA since 4 days and iam very glad and happy , it's sure that interface and use method are completely new , i like it now more than M2D , i will share with you all as soon as i translate it to wwe , original is in CHS , if you want .

chanvi93 said:
Hello guys
Why so negative ?? WM 6.5 is the futur , i am on my own Rom wm6.5 build 21169 FRA since 4 days and iam very glad and happy , it's sure that interface and use method are completely new , i like it now more than M2D , i will share with you all as soon as i translate it to wwe , original is in CHS , if you want .
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sounds great!!, loking forward for your www release

chanvi93 said:
Hello guys
Why so negative ?? WM 6.5 is the futur , i am on my own Rom wm6.5 build 21169 FRA since 4 days and iam very glad and happy , it's sure that interface and use method are completely new , i like it now more than M2D , i will share with you all as soon as i translate it to wwe , original is in CHS , if you want .
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I agree with u chanvi93.
I'm waiting 4 your next wwe release.
Thanx master.

WM6.5
Chanvi93,
Your roms are superb, no doubt, and you are right I am judging WM6.5 by one rom I tried and did not like. So let's hope what we have tried and failed isn't because of 6.5.
Can we hope for super lite WM6.5 rom ? I have tried yours, and have to admit, I liked them much but m2d isn't the right plug-in for me, especially after using pointui home2. So a naked WM6.5 rom WWE sound promising.
looking forward for your rom
BigE

chanvi93 said:
Hello guys
Why so negative ?? WM 6.5 is the futur , i am on my own Rom wm6.5 build 21169 FRA since 4 days and iam very glad and happy , it's sure that interface and use method are completely new , i like it now more than M2D , i will share with you all as soon as i translate it to wwe , original is in CHS , if you want .
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Thanks for that Chanvi, I was indeed getting depressed reading this thread! Looking forward to your 6.5 build. Have you decided if you are going to include footprints or not? From what I can see, Iolite / Footprint is asking a lot of our humble Trinities. Previous Manila version has better performance maybe?
Mattster.

Trinity ROM WM6.5 (BETA-V47) CHO HTC TRINITY
Trinity ROM WM6.5 (BETA-V47) CHO HTC TRINITY
ON 05/03/2009
ROM WM6.5 V47 CHO HTC TRINITY
BETA VERSION - CORE 21169
HTC Iolita
Manila2D
FIX , MMS
LINK :-
http://rapidshare.com/files/205688353/TRIN_WM6.5__3_00_707_47__B21169.rar
PASS :- PhamQuang

arnooo said:
Trinity ROM WM6.5 (BETA-V47) CHO HTC TRINITY
ON 05/03/2009
ROM WM6.5 V47 CHO HTC TRINITY
BETA VERSION - CORE 21169
HTC Iolita
Manila2D
FIX , MMS
LINK :-
http://rapidshare.com/files/205688353/TRIN_WM6.5__3_00_707_47__B21169.rar
PASS :- PhamQuang
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Sorry but, sms are not working....

Mattster_spv said:
Thanks for that Chanvi, I was indeed getting depressed reading this thread! Looking forward to your 6.5 build. Have you decided if you are going to include footprints or not? From what I can see, Iolite / Footprint is asking a lot of our humble Trinities. Previous Manila version has better performance maybe?
Mattster.
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Hello
It's done in my threat , 2 versions : Full with Footprint components and Lite without .
Footprint is a great soft for great traveller as me , i use it daily in work , don't need Manila for it so it don't use more ram if you don't launch .
@BigE
Super lite in wm 6.5 is not very good because some short cut and little softs are necessary for use .

not for this thread but anyways
have just flashed Chanvi's 3/8 Wm6.5 lite rom. I will report my testing on his thread, as this one is for PDAViet rom.
See you there in few hours I guess.
BigE

someone can upload some screenshot???

Trinity ROM WM6.5 (BETA-V47) CHO HTC TRINITY
Great Rom , but there is some memory leak, so phone must be often reboot ...

can run with P3600i from standart ROM???

yeh, copyr image file to your SD card and power+camera+reste you will get it flash. but memory arrangement is not that good.
this only from what i did.
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can run with P3600i from standart ROM???
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SPB Mobile Shell 3 / diamond theme?

Hi,
I haven t flashed my diamond yet.
But yesterday I installed the spb 3 and it s amazing.
I even think it s faster...
Well, so my questions:
is there a diamond theme for spb3.0?
i ve seen there s one for 2.1, but it s not working on 3.0
Should I put a ROM for my diamond?
I want it to be as fast as possible (and possibly the touch screen to be more sensitive)
Which ROM would you advise me? (and can it be compatible with SPB3?)
I m not asking how to do it, just the latest ROMS avail that are faster and smoother.
i haven t properly understood how i can see what is inside each rom.
basically i want GPS working, i want tasks and calendar, internet and wifi and radio.
maybe a better video player cause the ones i have do suck.
That's it, thanks guys!

EDIT:
i have WM 6.1 how should I update to 6.5? is it easy? free?
i can t update weather data with SPB MS 3.
I have internet, it works.
but when I click UPDATE it does nothing...

Yes its free.
Yes its easy.
Run hardspl on ur diamond, and download one of the roms in this forum, then connect ur phone via activesync, start the program.
Then ur set to go.
Sry if that was a little hard to read, but i just woke up

ok thanks.
so you're telling me that WM6.5 comes preshipped inside some ROMS, is that correct?
Any ROM compatible with SPB MS3 and super light (but with GPSToday, Tomtom, Coreplayer or similar, wifi and some extra apps?)
Cheers

iorga1 said:
Hi,
I haven t flashed my diamond yet.
But yesterday I installed the spb 3 and it s amazing.
I even think it s faster...
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Flash ANYTHING else than the stock ROM and you will see about speed and smooth... And THEN compare it with SPB...
iorga1 said:
ok thanks.
so you're telling me that WM6.5 comes preshipped inside some ROMS, is that correct?
Any ROM compatible with SPB MS3 and super light (but with GPSToday, Tomtom, Coreplayer or similar, wifi and some extra apps?)
Cheers
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Win 6.5 is NOT OFFICIAL YET, so you can't have it in "preshipped" roms. What;s' out there is leaked betas.
Fast 6.1 Rom - Nataly (check Pietrucci's benchmarks), comes with kitchen so you can set it up the way you want.
Fast 6.5 rom - well, they are not THAT fast and consume more memory.
If you have manila CFC compressed, and a fast rom, then SPB doesn't offer any real advantages. It's just something different. I tried it, and, hmm... came back to TF3D. it's functional, smooth, etc. I tried to put out "i got used to it" factor, as you can get used to spb shell too. it's just that I didn't found any real (speed or memory) reasons to use SPB. And fork extra money for it on the top of it... TF3D is free after all....
As well, when it comes to the applications -you install what you want, don't expect to have tomtom in rom, apart from other things it's illegal.... ROM is a base. then you customize it (in kitchen ) or install what you want after.
Good luck in search for optimum config!

thanks for your answer.
ok so basically you're telling me SPB is not that fast compared to ROMs avail out there, and its functionnality is not that evident.
I like it a lot (though no way to update weather)
And my ROM is 1.93.,,,, radio 1.25... so it s not that outdated, is it?
which ROM should I put in order to have at least the same than what I have?
Cause it seems ROM development was huge some time ago, and you guys had the HTC diamond a long time ago... mine has 4 months, and this means it might come shipped with an already decent ROM. I wouldn t like to flash it with an older ROM and see some features/apps disappear... do you see what I mean?
Am I wrong? cause the google entries only show roms from 2008... is there anything newer out there?

SPB is just a today app, u can still use spb after installing new rom.
Belive me, if u install other roms like Energy ROM, it will be faster, smother and better.
After installing new rom just install SPB again.
Even if it looks like its older roms here, it aint.
Hope this answer will help you.
Cheers mate!

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thanks for your answer.
ok so basically you're telling me SPB is not that fast compared to ROMs avail out there, and its functionnality is not that evident.
I like it a lot (though no way to update weather)
And my ROM is 1.93.,,,, radio 1.25... so it s not that outdated, is it?
which ROM should I put in order to have at least the same than what I have?
Cause it seems ROM development was huge some time ago, and you guys had the HTC diamond a long time ago... mine has 4 months, and this means it might come shipped with an already decent ROM. I wouldn t like to flash it with an older ROM and see some features/apps disappear... do you see what I mean?
Am I wrong? cause the google entries only show roms from 2008... is there anything newer out there?
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I STRONGLY suggest the use of searh feature:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Upgrades
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512505
It helps ENORMOUSLY....
And in general - from the posts above I would suggest that you do first some reading. there's a lot of decent FAQ's here, as well as tutorials. Just read for 2 -3 evenings. It will be VERY beneficial to you, I hope.
After all, none of us was simply born with the knowledge.. And all of us had the 1st day with diamond, then some time on this forum, and then a lot of things became self-explanatory...
Good luck!

thanks guys
i read all this info a long time ago, did not upgrade, so I forgot a lot.
But I understand the ideas and the vocabulary
You said 2 things:
- upgrade the HTC site ROM. ok but it is not recognised when I type in my serial number. cause telefonica movistar SPN is a bit annoying for this.
as far as i remeber my readings, this would be solved when hardspl and ROM flashed.
- the numbers taht appear on the table, do not correspond to mines. So I guess this means I should get one of those, and try to proceed to the upgrade.
Is is worth? (i think it s better to get rid of that annoying logos and themes and crappy heavy processes shipped in the movistar ROM and grab the ENERGY one, or another one like Rhodian (have to read)
Anyway thanks for your answers.
I ll try to flash the ROM. First have to make a backup.
also i might have a dump of the ROM for guarantee purposes, done few months ago
cheers,

Hi,
Because speed is important, My suggestion is BsB ROM Specially Version J.(Windows Mobile 6.5)
Version L is slightly slower (Because of 10mb pp instead of 16mb-not big difference)
I'm using BsB ROM+SPB Mobile shell V3 and it works like a charm.
Good Luck!

When it is about speed, a review "works like a charm" is, how to say, highly subjective
I recommend the benchmark thread by pietrucci - so far this is the only objective test of many diamond roms.. and according to that, 6.5 is not that fast...
Sorry - that's what the benchmarks say...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406640

mjaxa said:
When it is about speed, a review "works like a charm" is, how to say, highly subjective
I recommend the benchmark thread by pietrucci - so far this is the only objective test of many diamond roms.. and according to that, 6.5 is not that fast...
Sorry - that's what the benchmarks say...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406640
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I agree, but I must say that SPB 3 with a standard rom is a lot faster than any rom with TFLO that I've tested.

mjaxa said:
When it is about speed, a review "works like a charm" is, how to say, highly subjective
I recommend the benchmark thread by pietrucci - so far this is the only objective test of many diamond roms.. and according to that, 6.5 is not that fast...
Sorry - that's what the benchmarks say...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406640
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Hi,
Thanks for the benchmark, but i have to say :
1) Bsb 6.5 ROM isn't in benchmark . i also can't see Energy WM6.5 ROM in this benchmark. These two are fastest available 6.5 ROMs for diamond (in my opinion)
2) in my personal experience, spb mobile shell 3 on Bsb ROM, is faster than any Other 6.5 or 6.1 ROM.(specially if you change pp to 16mb-default is 10).
3)I think Bsb ROM is Quick because of Excellent Memory Management. with Mobile shell 3 running, i have more than 50MB free Memory after Boot(pp=10MB) and without SPB More than 61MB.
Give it a try, i'm sure that you won't be disappointed.
Good Luck!

OK, you may be right, but still, in order to say "is fast" you need to compare it to hard data. If you want to bother you should install SPB Benchmark and run it on this ant that rom, and ONLY then you will really see.
Having said that, at the end it doesn't really matter. What matter's is user comfort/feeling
And about memory - so you say "i have more than 50MB free Memory after Boot(pp=10MB) and without SPB More than 61MB." hmmm. In my configured rom (including extra apps like lumos, keyboard switcher, etc) after reset I have 56MB free. Without TF3d 64MB. So... this is rather standard for me Nothing special here...
But ultimately it comes to personal preference. I like Nataly, because there is kitchen and I can "trim" the ROM to my personal taste. Of course, the speed and LOTS of memory doesn't hurt...

SPB Benchmark Results for BsB 6.5L + SPB Mobile Shell
mjaxa said:
OK, you may be right, but still, in order to say "is fast" you need to compare it to hard data. If you want to bother you should install SPB Benchmark and run it on this ant that rom, and ONLY then you will really see.
Having said that, at the end it doesn't really matter. What matter's is user comfort/feeling
In my configured rom (including extra apps like lumos, keyboard switcher, etc) after reset I have 56MB free. Without TF3d 64MB. So... this is rather standard for me Nothing special here...
But ultimately it comes to personal preference. I like Nataly, because there is kitchen and I can "trim" the ROM to my personal taste. Of course, the speed and LOTS of memory doesn't hurt...
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Hi,
I agree that it comes to personal preference Completely.
SPB benchmark Results : (first after a full day working , second after soft reset)on BSB6.5L + SPB Mobile Shell 3 Running
Keep it in mind that Nataly is WM6.1 and BsB is WM6.5.
1)
Spb Benchmark index 741.55
CPU index 1766.19
File system index 344.06
Graphics index 3551.07
2)
Spb Benchmark index 765.9
CPU index 1776.53
File system index 359.16
Graphics index 3336.17
I also attached XML Result Files.
Good Luck!