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Some thing to clear about BlueAngel

I have planned to buy O2 XDA IIs from my frnd (2nd hand for sure)
Does it comes under the name, blueangel???
also please tell me pros and cons about this dmobile device
I already own O2 xda exec, typhoon and voyager
what about this one???
cud U, experienced users please guide me....am i gonna upgrade its rom to WM6 or not??

It's a great device, you won't make a mistake It has Intel PXA263 400mhz processor (This is the only thing i don't like in blueangel. It is not so fast. If you plan to play 3d games it is not very good for this. But you can easily overclock it with pocket master to 530mhz. With this frequency it handles everything without Snow Rally - there's a little lag and you can't play Playstation 1 games even if you overclock it to 590. I got 21-23fps in Tony Hawk Pro Skater with @530mhz and Frameskip - 2), 128 ram (This is great! With so much ram you don't need real close button.But there are no applications that wants more than 32 ram, so this is not a big advantage), Big screen and the best design for games(The screen is perfect. It wouldn't be bad if there was VGA screen but QVGA is not so bad either. In web browsing the qvga resolution is a big dissadvantage. You have to scrool a lot. But now there are browsers now that supports Zoom function.With it the browsing is good even on qvga device. When Opera 9.5 comes out it will rock And the design is great for games. It's like joystick when you handle it in landscape position and there are many buttons), 64mb Flash Storage(It's not much but you don't need more. There are SD Cards for that), SD/MMC expansion slot( The bad thing here is that it doesn't support SDHC, there are no drivers for that and there won't be in future ), CIF camera (It is really badd. The image quality is similar. If you try to record video it lags. I don't know why :/ It does it wven in the lowest quality), WiFi( No problems here), Bluetooth (No problems here either), IrDA( It can't be used as a remote controller because the irda range is around 3 meters)
And finally the PocketPC comes with WM2003. You can install WM6.1 but I recommend you to wait for explode's WM6.1. His roms are the best With the new windows the pocket becmoes really fast and stable. That's all, it's a great device

dark_prince said:
I have planned to buy O2 XDA IIs from my frnd (2nd hand for sure)
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Nice choice. I recently picked up a hermes and while it is very nice, there are some things I miss from the Angel.
dark_prince said:
Does it comes under the name, blueangel???
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I don't quite understand this question. If you are asking if it was sold under the name of Blue Angel, no. Blue Angel is the HTC internal name for the phone. It was never sold by HTC directly, but to the various cell carriers who rebadged it with their own plastics and ROM/applications.
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also please tell me pros and cons about this dmobile device
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Pros:
Good CPU speed (the keiser runs at the same speed, 400 mhz)
The CPU has been around for a while, so 3rd party apps that are designed for the CPU work well.
Good physical size on the screen
Lots of storage and program memory when the extended ROM is resized/removed.
Cons:
Since it is an older platform, any MW version after 2003 is a hack. The drivers are generally ported from other phones and there are various bugs that will probably never be fixed due to a lack of hardware drivers. Everything does work, there are just various quirks.
Radio range (bluetooth, wifi, etc) are not the best. Heck, they often tend to be down right crappy.
Unless someone is able to write and release a SDHC driver for the card slot, it will never support SDHC cards, which will limit the phone to 4 gig cards. 2 gig is the official spec for SD, but there are a few 4 gig non-SDHC cards out there.
dark_prince said:
I already own O2 xda exec, typhoon and voyager
what about this one???
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I still like mine and plan on passing it to my wife or using it for testing and development if she doesn't want it.
dark_prince said:
cud U, experienced users please guide me....am i gonna upgrade its rom to WM6 or not??
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I would. MW6 is a huge improvement over 2003 and 5. The latest ROM builds out there work very well, if not 99% perfectly, and are fast.
In my opinion, Hemli releasing wm6 for the angel breathed new life into the device.
Really, I wish HTC would revive the device, make an updated version of it. The form factor, while is a bit big for a phone, is great for usability as a PDA.

jdc said:
In my opinion, Hemli releasing wm6 for the angel breathed new life into the device.
Really, I wish HTC would revive the device, make an updated version of it. The form factor, while is a bit big for a phone, is great for usability as a PDA.
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I second that! Just ditched my Hermes for my old trusty Blue Angel, which blows the pants off it! I forgot how much I loved the 3.5 inch screen!

Rookie as well with the Blue Angel
I am getting started with the Blue angel as well (O2 Xda IIs)
I like it a lot this will probably become my best buddy during my travels
I got a couple of complementary questions about it.
I intend to use it for business purposes, mainly Internet through
Wifi and GPRS, pdf and offices documents.
I saw on this forum that you advise to change from WM 2003SE to Windows Mobile 6 (the last published by Microsoft)
-My question is: This PDA is already a bit old now, is it going to work smoothly wit the very last OS, which is designed for more recent PDAs (i.e which should be more efficient).
I mainly want to use it for Internet, wich browser do you recommend ?
Internet explorer? Opera Mobile? Opera Mini? other browser?
By the way what is the difference between Opera Mobile and Opera Mini

you should go with opera mobile, as it is better suited for pda's. opera mini is suited for java based mobile phones.

jdc said:
Really, I wish HTC would revive the device, make an updated version of it. The form factor, while is a bit big for a phone, is great for usability as a PDA.
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man i wish they would do that, or release a device with the same glorious screen but with contemporary features, all in all the blu angel is still a killer device 4 years on.

Absolutely right. I had been using the subj for 4 years in nearly extremal conditions, uprading and downgrading firmware dozen times. But, unfortunately it died as hero. Really great gadget, legend of HTC platform challenging ages.

Hi
Well with WM 6.1 it does everything I need and thats for sure I have my pick of devices and always come back to this one - and the 11i which is just about as good
I cant think of a time I have been upset with what it does or doesn't do. I intend keep one for as long as it will run....
John P

New HTC Diamond, will this be nice into trinity !

Hi all,
HTC Touch Diamond is out and u can see in these links the beatiful new touchflow 3D that will be very welcome on our trinity
TouchFlow 3D
Video
"The most important factor of this new device is HTC's new Touch Flo 3D interface. The new interface aims to compete against Apple's iPhone touch interface. From a video demonstration by MoDaCo it appears that the technology suffers from some common drawbacks to Windows Mobile's own interface and system. Occasionally freezing and not always responding to screen taps correctly. Checkout the video below to see what I am referring to. HTC has integrated Opera's mobile browser into the device and it appears to offer an improved interface for web browsing on Windows Mobile devices. A YouTube specific application features on the device almost like the iPhone equivalent."
(neowin.net)
This may be discussed on xda, sorry if dble post.

WOOOOW, ITS AMAZING..waiting for it to come to egypt )

the bad thing about HTC Diamond that its VGA not QVGA
BUT i hope that we can put the 3d home screen on P3600

Yes the Diamond looks like a nice phone, it's even smaller than a HTC Touch. BUT, it is only triband so if you live or travel to north america it won't get reception in some country areas. Even though it has 4gb of built-in memory it would have been nice if there was a microSD slot since they will soon be up to 16 and 32gb.
Otherwise I'd be the first in line for this tiny brother of the Trinity. Maybe the next model called the Raphael which is a Diamond w/keyboard will be quad band.

Aqrab said:
the bad thing about HTC Diamond that its VGA not QVGA
BUT i hope that we can put the 3d home screen on P3600
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More bad news, Diamond has 3d acceleration hardware... so i think it will be almost imposible to bring this new Touch Flo 3D to ours trinitys.... but i will try..

It's MANILA!!!
Do you remember???
was anticipated sometime ago as manila interface!!

also elia said me that manilla is too slow unlucky....

Finally HTC seem to have realized the importance of RAM amount to keep WM running smooth: 192 MB DDR SDRAM.

This interface will not come to our trinity's

aburman said:
Finally HTC seem to have realized the importance of RAM amount to keep WM running smooth: 192 MB DDR SDRAM.
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yah but you know that VGA device take more RAM than QVGA device to run any apps

our video card is not badly, but we haven't got 3d driver!
many applications 3d that they turn on our device are simulated by some dll librery.
in more we have not the codes sources....than we cannot modify the functionalities of the video card.
the problem of vga-qvga remains on second level
sorry for eng...

i am getting one in october
im off to hong kong
i am going to get one while there
can't wait......looks a great phone

Oh my God, I WANT THIS!!!!

any idea about the price and is it avilable yet?

alaaassem said:
any idea about the price and is it avilable yet?
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It will be available during June, and it will cost around 600 €.
Cheers.

ark666 said:
It will be available during June, and it will cost around 600 €.
Cheers.
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But note: No Memory Slot!
Maybe because of the 4 Gig storage memory you dont mind. but rumours say that there will be a business edititon with memory slot later...

Launch in Italy
In Italy it will be available 15 june 2008 at 699 euros....not bad i think :-D
http://www.mobilestyle.it/htc_touch_diamond_garanzia_italia.phtml
Cheers
Florin

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yah but you know that VGA device take more RAM than QVGA device to run any apps
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Folks pls note the battery is really low only 900amh as i know

Monday, 14th July, 590 Eur here
Hope that's true about business edition with slot mem card
but I wonder how much more will cost...

I too have read somewhere that HTC Diamond doesn't have memory-card slot ...this seems very disappointing.

wm7 compatible with diamond?

Is there any info about this? will wm7 be compatible with our devices?

Probably not. HTC never released WM 6.1 for the original Touch.

im sure we will get it
by hook or by crook

makeveral said:
Is there any info about this? will wm7 be compatible with our devices?
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Have you seen any device that is compatible? Have you seen minimum requirements? All that is known about WM7 are some screenshots and some basic features.
So until it is released noone knows if any current device will be compatible.
What an useless thread.

MarcLandis said:
Have you seen any device that is compatible? Have you seen minimum requirements? All that is known about WM7 are some screenshots and some basic features.
So until it is released noone knows if any current device will be compatible.
What an useless thread.
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calm down man just asking if theres any info lol

makeveral said:
calm down man just asking if theres any info lol
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patience is a virtue...
and
ignorance is bliss!!!
first njoy what you have in ur hand m8 still a few seasons to pass before we get photon on our devices
tc and god bless

there was a video a while back with wm7 running on the Touch Duel
video link
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/05/11/new-windows-mobile-peeped-in-microsoft-live-mesh-video/
so this obviously means it is compatible on HTC DIAMOND TOO
(considering its not as powerful as the diamond)

Why wouldn't wm7 be compatible? Maybe slower, if wm7 is heavier, but I'm rather sure it would run... even if some features (like multi-touch screen) are not working.

WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
As I can read, this won't be compatible with our Diamond due to HW limitations...

MarcLandis said:
Have you seen any device that is compatible? Have you seen minimum requirements? All that is known about WM7 are some screenshots and some basic features.
So until it is released noone knows if any current device will be compatible.
What an useless thread.
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As you can see, not so useless thread

So which phone is actually compatible with WM7 ??
Any HTC ????

nop...
jaja i remember this thread! so rude xD

sjauquet said:
As you can see, not so useless thread
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+1
I'll rather see HTC Sense running in our diamonds but I guess anything should be better than WM5-WM6x. All nice developements are made by xda cookers or HTC itself not by M$.
Hope next year would be an interesting cooking year

What are you waiting now?

You now know what is this WP7 in much more detailed.
OS characteristic, apps, marketplace, hardware requirements, upcoming models.
What now?
What more do you want to know?
For me ...
I want to see HTC device of Windows Phone 7 series!
It better to be HD3, and it should be much more powerful than HD2 spec wise.
I want the best of the best hardware, so my sacrifice of WP7 limitation will be paid-off.
- 4.3" screen size
- super responsive multitouch
- 1+ GHz Snapdragon
- very (very) long battery live (to compensate no multitasking!)
- 32 GB internal storage (to compensate no sd card)
Update:
I gave up ... I ordered Android phone (HTC Desire).
Too many limitations and restrictions.
The more I think, it became clear that WP7 is not my right choice, at least for its first release.
I will wait the next release, WP7.1 or WP8

I need to see a real device with 4"+ screen, and, most certainly, jailbreak.

Waiting for the HD3-announcement as well and game developers announcing their support for WP7!

i want everything you do besides that 4.3 screen plus a slide out keyboard & i wanna know more about browsers and video players & what kind of battery life should we expect on average from these devices

I'd like to see a Touch Pro 2 like device (ie: made totally like the TP2) but with the following guts:
-3.6" Screen, AMOLED or not, don't really care for a device this small.
-Snapdragon CPU, 1 or 1.3 ghz
-1Gig Ram
-64Gig of memory. I have about 40 gig of music on my Zune software xD

How about a HD Pro device...
which I see as a HD2 with keyboard! That would be sickness!

NoWorthWhile said:
I'd like to see a Touch Pro 2 like device (ie: made totally like the TP2) but with the following guts:
-3.6" Screen, AMOLED or not, don't really care for a device this small.
-Snapdragon CPU, 1 or 1.3 ghz
-1Gig Ram
-64Gig of memory. I have about 40 gig of music on my Zune software xD
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You cannot have more than 32 GB memory, as I recall.
Btw., you don't need 1 GB RAM - this is just a dumbphone without multitasking, so there's no need for that much RAM.

pilgrim011 said:
You cannot have more than 32 GB memory, as I recall.
Btw., you don't need 1 GB RAM - this is just a dumbphone without multitasking, so there's no need for that much RAM.
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True, as computers don't really need 24GB of ram...
What do you mean, we can't have more than 32 GIGS? Oo

i want an HTC with 4,5" amoled screen with true multitouch this time, preferably at least more than 2 registred fingerpoints.
Also, i'd like to see dedicated gaming buttons... still, nothing beats hardware input to play games, ofcourse, combine it with the multitouch touchscreen and you have a killer device. Maybe they can fiddle a qwerty keyboard between the d-pad and the action buttons. or only give us a d-pad on the left side of the keyboard and the action buttons we can assign with the qwerty keyboard. add some shoulder buttons, that could also function as a camera shutter. maybe a front camera... not that i make use of videocall, but fun to be use in games, sorta project natal on a mobile device. example game could be... a catapult. with the back camera you scan your surroundings and when you find your target, act if you were pulling the rubber band and virtually release a bunch of fun to your friends face, or something like that. have algorythm recognize windows and virtually catapult a rock into the window....
yeah... some useless app... but hey, if we copy apple, we should copy some lame apps too

*LOL* ... You made me laugh
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yeah... some useless app... but hey, if we copy apple, we should copy some lame apps too
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JAmerican said:
which I see as a HD2 with keyboard! That would be sickness!
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+1!!!
A thin hardware keyboard device would be awesome!

HTC HD3 rumor :
http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_pho...wp7_phones_and_an_htc_hd3_rumor-news-1513.php

Well, that HD3 rumor is such obvious bull**** it's not even funny.

orb3000 said:
+1!!!
A thin hardware keyboard device would be awesome!
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Don't you mean extremelyfuckingsnappable!

I'll be buying nothing until someone can confirm a compatible fart app.

I'm looking for something like my Touch Pro2 form factor wise. As long as it has a nice 5 row QWERTY and made by HTC I'm game. I don't mind the screen size but if they made it bigger I'd have no complaints.

I want to know if any kind of Navigation Software will be delivered along with WP7 if none will be included, which Software will be available for it as soon as the new HD3 gets available in the end of this year.

How 'bout a plain old HD2 Pro thats WP7 compaitble?

WhyBe said:
How 'bout a plain old HD2 Pro thats WP7 compaitble?
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How 'bout a plain old HD2 with Android?
Sucks that the Desire has a smaller screen and only one LED, but I have ordered one and will replace my HD2 with it.

Windows 7 on TouchPro2

Seems like a dumb question, but does anyone know where I can get it for the TouchPro2?
Thanks for any input

Uhm, ahem....yes.
Do you mean Windows Phone 7 perhaps? If that is the case then no, you cannot and likley never will (save for some truely herculean effort by some xda dev) be able to get that running on your TP2.
If you meant regular Windows 7, you might want to pick up a laptop...

Well, I had Windows Mobile 6.5 atm, and I was just wanting to upgrade to 7. Is this possible?

Norman67x said:
Well, I had Windows Mobile 6.5 atm, and I was just wanting to upgrade to 7. Is this possible?
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"7" isn't going to be released for months yet, and even when it is, there won't be an official version for the TP2, the only way you'll be able to get it is if some xda developers manage to stuff it into this hardware, which is well below the minimum specs MS has said 7 will require to run.

Currently of course no because WP7 is not out for any phone yet.
But as I said even in the future this is unlikely as WP7 has strict hardware requirements (specifically the 1ghz snapdragon cpu and capacitive multi-touch screen) that the TP2 does not meet. It is perhaps conceivable that someone here will manage a hacked port with minimal functionality at some point, but I doubt if it would ever be complete or usable.
If you had an HD2 on the other hand, I'd say there's a good chance of being able to upgrade at some point.

Oh, maybe putting windows 7 in there was the wrong word. Is there anyway to update to the latest version of windows? Cause I installed something, and it said I needed the later version of it. Any ideas?

If you want latest 6x windows find your fav ROM n flash it. 6.5 is at 21901 and 6.5.5 is at 23563. I dont think a higher number is a later build between the two. 21xxx ROM's in my opinion r more stable. Its all in taste

What did you install? You probably just need the latest version of the .NET Compact Framework, which you can grab here.

I would like to know where to get Windows 7 OS on my Touch Pro 2. I need it because it will support my graphics card better.

rorytmeadows said:
I would like to know where to get Windows 7 OS on my Touch Pro 2. I need it because it will support my graphics card better.
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C'mon rory, let's not be rediculous now...you know the only way to get more out of your video card on the TP2 is to use liquid cooling

sirphunkee said:
C'mon rory, let's not be rediculous now...you know the only way to get more out of your video card on the TP2 is to use liquid cooling
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Also looking for Touch Pro 2 drivers for my 5.25 floppy drive.

Rory, why don't you design a HTC HD4 that has WP7 or higher, HTC TouchFlo 3.5 or higher, CDMA-GSM- WiMax, 100GB LAN, 1GB RAM, 1GB ROM, 32 GB Storage, support for up to 10TB Micro SDXC Card, full 1080P video, Holographic Display, at least a 2 GHZ Quad core CPU, USB 3.0 or higher, HDMI, Bluetooth 2.0 or higher, 2 GB video card, full sliding and tilting keyboard, and a 10,000 MAH battery. And while you are at it, have it cooled with Liquid Nitrogen and Liquid Helium. Then maby this might satisfy your needs. And yes I know this is a wise crack, but all in fun though.

gd761 said:
Rory, why don't you design a HTC HD4 that has WP7 or higher, HTC TouchFlo 3.5 or higher, CDMA-GSM- WiMax, 100GB LAN, 1GB RAM, 1GB ROM, 32 GB Storage, support for up to 10TB Micro SDXC Card, full 1080P video, Holographic Display, at least a 2 GHZ Quad core CPU, USB 3.0 or higher, HDMI, Bluetooth 2.0 or higher, 2 GB video card, full sliding and tilting keyboard, and a 10,000 MAH battery. And while you are at it, have it cooled with Liquid Nitrogen and Liquid Helium. Then maby this might satisfy your needs. And yes I know this is a wise crack, but all in fun though.
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I did last week, but I couldn't put Windows Phone 7 on it because I made it with 4 buttons instead of 3.

mrbox23 said:
If you want latest 6x windows find your fav ROM n flash it. 6.5 is at 21901 and 6.5.5 is at 23563. I dont think a higher number is a later build between the two. 21xxx ROM's in my opinion r more stable. Its all in taste
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is wm6.5.3 & wm6.5.5 officially launch for tp2?
i am from malaysia, my tp2 is now running wm6.5.
i am thinking whether to upgrade my tp2 to wm6.5.3.
is wm6.5.3 funtioning well with tp2?
can i switch back to wm6.5 if i found wm6.5.3 is not funtioning well with my phone?
thanks
garf

gd761 said:
Rory, why don't you design a HTC HD4 that has WP7 or higher, HTC TouchFlo 3.5 or higher, CDMA-GSM- WiMax, 100GB LAN, 1GB RAM, 1GB ROM, 32 GB Storage, support for up to 10TB Micro SDXC Card, full 1080P video, Holographic Display, at least a 2 GHZ Quad core CPU, USB 3.0 or higher, HDMI, Bluetooth 2.0 or higher, 2 GB video card, full sliding and tilting keyboard, and a 10,000 MAH battery. And while you are at it, have it cooled with Liquid Nitrogen and Liquid Helium. Then maby this might satisfy your needs. And yes I know this is a wise crack, but all in fun though.
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All of these are useless if the phone can't make coffee.
If you don't know what I mean, check http://www.pomegranatephone.com/

josemald said:
All of these are useless if the phone can't make coffee.
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I don't know about 'make' coffee, but my TP2 stirs coffee pretty well...

R3dF1v3 said:
I don't know about 'make' coffee, but my TP2 stirs coffee pretty well...
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That doesn't supply a solution for the need of liquid cooling. Stir iced tea with it instead.

Norman67x said:
Seems like a dumb question, but does anyone know where I can get it for the TouchPro2?
Thanks for any input
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Well Norman, If you have learned anything from this I hope that it's do your research on your own before coming out and asking something that... well, as you can see is a little goofy to ask. Even searching windows 7 on tp2 in google you would have seen its not possible right now.