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Hello, I was usgin joshoss V8B2 manilla2d and with some apps installed (via device update) I was left with like 10 megs free, so I tried the PDACornerPro.V27 - Build 20759 NonRBSN Josh-Abs (both greeeeeeeeat ROMS!!!!) and installed basically the same apps with the addition of HTC Home to have a nice look and feel (closer to manilla)... and ended up with around 12 megs free.... so I'm not sure which one is eating more resources.... any idea? manilla is still more unstable, right?
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Personally I do not feel that manila is for the hermes, until I get my touch3g I am going to run HTC home and spb mobile shell.
I am also quite interested in the study...
Currently using HTC HOme and happy with it, but if Manilla doesn't consume much more resources (In terms of RAM: for the storage we can all use a Micro SD anyway...), I would immediately switch !!!
Anybody can comment more?
I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
I am a streamline fanatic and like to keep my resources in check. Personally, on the Hermes I think Manila eats up to many resources.
Maybe in the earlier versions there might have been some memory leaks, but I noticed that in the end, I would end up with under 20megs of ram. And if you play with Manila that would go down. HTC Home uses about 4 megs.
Also when I had Manila on, I found that Opera would crash more often, mostly due to running out of memory while it would never do such thing while running HTC Home.
Also I noticed some sluggishness on the Hermes while using Manila, which also sometimes took a little longer --5-10 seconds-- to load, depending on the ROM.
So all in all, once HTC Home is loaded, it is always almost instantaneous, while Manila would again slowdown the phone in mid-operation. And by that I mean switching from the Today Screen to let's say settings or programs.
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I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
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I believe Josh's version is stable (from what I read)
Hi guys,
I tried like 4-5 Manilla 2D builds. They all had some bugs which weren't such a pain in the ass, but they were annoying. I was using PDA Corner V25 - great rom. Several days ago I installed PDAViet's Manilla2D v20 ROM and I must admit it is great. I didn't have any problems with manilla in terms of performance. The RAM left is 21MB on boot. The overall performance of the ROM is great. All apps work as fast as on the abusalza's rom. However I haven't tested the YouTube app, since I don't use it. The only problem is the lower in call volume compared to abusalza's rom. And if you use video call, I'm not sure if it's included.
I used multiple ROMs with Manilla 2D .. im now flashing backa again to a ROM without Manilla because i had too many problems with it.. i'm used to listen a lot of music... but with manilla on my Hermie the battery is empty so fast that sometimes i don't even have the chance to lsiten to the music ( i recharge it every night.. and i usually listen to music at about 15:00 pm.. by then it's already on low battery =s
on the other hand there are some stupid buggs in it.. like youtube doesnt work... sometimes the usb-connection doesnt work.. or what also bothers me is the volume control that is removed from audiomanager... there are also some other small problems which bother me but i'm not going to spend any more time on it right now
sorry for my bad english =)
ps. if somebody finds a tool for me to change the music player in manilla ( like from audiomanager to windows mediaplayer) pm me pls..
yes, in my case, I was using Josh's version and it was very stable and had I think all functionality working...the problem was after installing some apps, and after runining for a while opening and closing things I get an error of out of memory...
is there a way to make all "Device Update" to install on storage card?
will some more space on main memory help the RAM issue?
I've tried it out a bit. I'm using update 19 from here, and the Manilla 2D Customiser. On CRC's 13.0 naked non-big storage rom, I used UC to put on all the cab files in the right order, except for the Opera and Youtube apps. Using the customiser, I have removed the internet, mapping and settings tabs, and it runs pretty smoothly. Usually between 18-20MB RAM free. This does tend to go down a bit with usage, but I tend to soft-reset daily, and its not really a problem.
been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
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been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
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I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
When I try to update library from storage card it will start to adding files then stop. Any suggestions. It worked fine with another rom I was using.
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I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
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i really have the same problem asa u, and now i do not deside to flash any ROM that had installed the M2D, & I like Spb Shell most, cause it is nice and stable
I've had my TP2 for a week, having moved from an HD and it's pretty good. But there are a few changes I wonder if any one can comment on:
1. My HD ran at about 40-60% memory usage when running reletively few programs. In fact you could be running 10-15 without even noticing. The TP2 runs at a much higher level: 60-70%, and today ran out of functional memory when my daughter had Tilt and Bubble Breaker at the same time. Does anyone know why this might be the case? It's a bit disappointing!
2. I used to run Phone Weaver on the HD. The TP2 can't find my personal ringtone files anywhere, no matter where I put them. The standard software can find them easily.
3. I used to have BBC iPlayer on the HD, but can't access it through the TP2. Is there a way to get it back?
Thanks for your help!
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I've had my TP2 for a week, having moved from an HD and it's pretty good. But there are a few changes I wonder if any one can comment on:
1. My HD ran at about 40-60% memory usage when running reletively few programs. In fact you could be running 10-15 without even noticing. The TP2 runs at a much higher level: 60-70%, and today ran out of functional memory when my daughter had Tilt and Bubble Breaker at the same time. Does anyone know why this might be the case? It's a bit disappointing!
2. I used to run Phone Weaver on the HD. The TP2 can't find my personal ringtone files anywhere, no matter where I put them. The standard software can find them easily.
3. I used to have BBC iPlayer on the HD, but can't access it through the TP2. Is there a way to get it back?
Thanks for your help!
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1 - 10 to 15 apps on the HD without even noticing? Hell no. That is not true.
Anyways, TP2 has the same ammount of RAM as the HD, but has less available to the user. I guess the new TouchFlo3D demands that. Your situation is strange though, because I was able to run 5 apps without a problem.
Maybe you installed something that is draining the memory. Install a good Task Manager and check what is running in the background.
2 - I don't get this. Did you install PhoneWeaver on the TP2 and it can't find the files or what?
3 - Did you access it the normal way, or did you use hacks/tweaks?
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I've had my TP2 for a week, having moved from an HD and it's pretty good. But there are a few changes I wonder if any one can comment on:
1. My HD ran at about 40-60% memory usage when running reletively few programs. In fact you could be running 10-15 without even noticing. The TP2 runs at a much higher level: 60-70%, and today ran out of functional memory when my daughter had Tilt and Bubble Breaker at the same time. Does anyone know why this might be the case? It's a bit disappointing!
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I don't have the device but i think this problem is isolated to your device. I watched a review on youtube (the greatest review i've ever seen by the way) and he had a good 10 apps running. I don't know what each app was doing but he did have them running.
Here is a link to part 2 of the review.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uONMuEeTo7A&annotation_id=annotation_342508&feature=iv
time - 3:05
how does the TP2 compare to the HD (aside of course from keyboard)? Is it faster than HD with a good ROM? Im thinking about the change...
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how does the TP2 compare to the HD (aside of course from keyboard)? Is it faster than HD with a good ROM? Im thinking about the change...
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As a former owner of the HD and a user of the TP2 (not owner though) I can safely say........... TP2 IS MUCH FASTER !!!!!! It is much better overall. HD fails @ being a phone very, very hard. TP2 is on another level compared to it.
Check out this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3903040&posted=1#post3903040
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I've had my TP2 for a week, having moved from an HD and it's pretty good. But there are a few changes I wonder if any one can comment on:
1. My HD ran at about 40-60% memory usage when running reletively few programs. In fact you could be running 10-15 without even noticing. The TP2 runs at a much higher level: 60-70%, and today ran out of functional memory when my daughter had Tilt and Bubble Breaker at the same time. Does anyone know why this might be the case? It's a bit disappointing!
2. I used to run Phone Weaver on the HD. The TP2 can't find my personal ringtone files anywhere, no matter where I put them. The standard software can find them easily.
3. I used to have BBC iPlayer on the HD, but can't access it through the TP2. Is there a way to get it back?
Thanks for your help!
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1. find that hard to believe as i too run multiple apps with my tp2 and it has never run as high as that nor run out of memory. as orelsi stated there is something draining your memory and it not down to the device
2. not really sure on that one. i use mp3 trimmer if that helps.
3. did you use bbc ipalyer app or view in opera. if you use in opera need to do 'opera:config' in address bar scroll down to user prefs and input sgh-i900 in custom user agent. if there is any text in custom user agent just add text string 'sgh-i900 at the end of it! this enables bbc iplayer mobile view in opera.
i have actually installed a stand alone bbc iplayer app and that works as well.
Not only is the ram thing related to the fact that the os is taking up more ram but I think I read somewhere it has some ram reserved for video playback or something like that, but if there might be a cab for the old touchflo 3d in WVGA if you want I you could probably use that instead of the new one, which would mean more ram but you would lose all the benefits of the new one
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Not only is the ram thing related to the fact that the os is taking up more ram but I think I read somewhere it has some ram reserved for video playback or something like that, but if there might be a cab for the old touchflo 3d in WVGA if you want I you could probably use that instead of the new one, which would mean more ram but you would lose all the benefits of the new one
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That would kind of defeat the prupose of the upgrade .
I noticed that the new TF2 goes deeper than the old one. You had only some icons on top of windows in the old one. Now you have TF2 almost everywhere and to find windows you would have to dig deep in the settings or menus. Pretty good for people who like TF3D.
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That would kind of defeat the prupose of the upgrade .
I noticed that the new TF2 goes deeper than the old one. You had only some icons on top of windows in the old one. Now you have TF2 almost everywhere and to find windows you would have to dig deep in the settings or menus. Pretty good for people who like TF3D.
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lol I guess so, I think that the new touchflo seems pretty nice because it makes windows mobile more touch friendly, but I haven't actually used it myself
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how does the TP2 compare to the HD (aside of course from keyboard)? Is it faster than HD with a good ROM? Im thinking about the change...
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As a business machine it's miles better, and the TF is brilliant. But comparing the two side by side I couldn't say that the overall experience is much better than the HD.
I have noticed that the ram use is much higher than on my fuze running a tf3d2 rom. But after reading around, it seems to be something that can be addressed when custom roms start rolling out for the tp2.
I am a newbie to WinMo and Android devices.
I know it is possible to run Android on HTC window mobile pre-installed device, with the matter of the non-working camera.
I wanna know actually what is process/method which can makes Android possibly runs on HTC diamond, and does it mean once we have this boot system, we can boot any Android even the latest 2.2 Froyo?
All I want is to get some knowledge which can help me to step into this area, I love software engineering and find that this forum is the one which most positive users come, so hopefully I can start building sth from sketch in here.
Many thanks in advance, and thanks for the patiences and the kindness of knowledge sharing.
Hi, as you said, it is currently possible to boot an Android system from a WinMo one. But they are some issues left, mainly the battery life. Indeed, battery drains pretty fast with Android (and the indicator is not accurate at all).
Concerning Froyo (2.2), I ran many android systems on my Diamond 100, and Eclair versions (2.1) are really very slow, that is why I am currently using a Donut version (1.6), which is pretty fast and stable. So I'm not sure the Diamond will be able to run smoothly Froyo.
Last thing: today, the only way to have a working Android is to boot on WinMo and then launch a program (Haret) which will "kill" WinMo and boot to Android from internal storage (or SD card for other devices). There is currently no way of flashing an Android as you can do with WinMo.
Hope we'll get asap a fully working Android for our WinMo's HTCs
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Hi, as you said, it is currently possible to boot an Android system from a WinMo one. But they are some issues left, mainly the battery life. Indeed, battery drains pretty fast with Android (and the indicator is not accurate at all).
Concerning Froyo (2.2), I ran many android systems on my Diamond 100, and Eclair versions (2.1) are really very slow, that is why I am currently using a Donut version (1.6), which is pretty fast and stable. So I'm not sure the Diamond will be able to run smoothly Froyo.
Last thing: today, the only way to have a working Android is to boot on WinMo and then launch a program (Haret) which will "kill" WinMo and boot to Android from internal storage (or SD card for other devices). There is currently no way of flashing an Android as you can do with WinMo.
Hope we'll get asap a fully working Android for our WinMo's HTCs
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instead i think that froyo will run well...because yesterday i saw some benchmark over the nexus one and the preformance were multiplyied by 2...and i saw the internet browsing benchmark and was the fastest browser i saw
So let's hope you are right about Froyo =)
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So let's hope you are right about Froyo =)
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i hope it too..i love android...i'm waiting for froyo and for a flashable android...i don't like a lot wm
And so do I ^^ I recently tried the Desire with Android 2.1, and I'll certainly buy one when I'll change my Diamond =)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess you are the one trying to cook a Sense XDAndroid ?
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And so do I ^^ I recently tried the Desire with Android 2.1, and I'll certainly buy one when I'll change my Diamond =)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess you are the one trying to cook a Sense XDAndroid ?
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i was trying but i was having porblem using ubuntu(no ethernet,no wireless and some other things) so when i will resolve those problem i will start
so haret in fact is a simulator?? just to provide a simulated environment to run Android?
If I'm right, Haret isn't a simulator. It is a program which, launched under WinMo, will kill all WinMo processes and boot on internal storage with Android files. Have you ever tried it?
if you want to try it the easy way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5420781#post5420781
there is an cab to download, just install it
than you can run android
bewhare, android uses a huge amount of internetactivity ( maybe it costs money with your telephon provider )
or just for testing remove the sim card...
its the easy way to run android, for multiboot
you need to install a multibootmanager on your phone
for me there are some problems with android on the diamond,
i get sometimes time outs of some programs, but its possible to use it... and test it...
maybe some thing in settings but i tryed it only for some hours ( telephonprovier... i got only 300 minutes of mobile internet connection for free )
but remember, back up your data...
Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for the absolutly best way to get the ultimate performance from my device. Whether its the Orange ROM (WM6.5) or some wee glitch with my phone, ive had issues. I find Sense slow and buggy and have been plagued with freezes and having to rest several times every day. Battery performance has been poor and in general a fantastic machine just wasnt cutting the mustard (even went back to my Kaiser for a while).
The problems seem to be common enough tbh.
Anyway with just a few differences my machine has become the chalk against the previous cheese. A hard rest and forgetting about Sense was the start. Ive replaced it with SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.5. Combined with obvious backlight time adjustments, and a few 'Advanced Config' tweaks, my Touch Pro 2 has just become a different machine!
Much more smooth and resets just arent necessary.
Ive sacraficed Opera for the latest Opera Mini. More than adequate for my purposes and the interface is actually handier to use for people whos internet access is concentrated on just a few sites/ forums.
Im not on here advertising SPB by the way, just what ive found myself!
Unless you are a massive super user, i dont find the need for OCT or the like. I use MSM most of the day, regular Opera Mini, heavy SMS and occasional Word Mobile and find hte above arrangement brilliant.
Has anyone else any suggestions in the same vein that can help even more?? I am, and im sure most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
Q
I prefer CHT with OCT. My device absolutely flies. When it begins to lag a bit after using more than 5 apps, I just CleanRAM custom. Works like a charm. I have found that the device will work at maximum performance when installing everything to the Storage Card. Having all the RAM available for the OS keeps it faster for me. It seems that there is a performance difference when you have 70Gb as opposed to 50Gb. CleanRAM really is the greatest thing for this device.
I tried SPB Shell a few months ago, but I think CHT is much better. Theres way more customization and I find it easier to navigate. You just put your favorite apps in 3 pages. The Shell had things needlessly in different locations and into sub categories. It just didn't suit me.
use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05
Quincey113 said:
Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for
.... .....
most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
Q
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uncleswoop said:
use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05
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lol
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I was trying to use a modded HTC Home plugin with HTC Home Customizer but ran up against too many problems, so I've returned to Sense for now. I'm hoping to flash a new ROM sometime soon, once I've reinstalled XP and 7 on my PC (I've only got Vista left as running normally, and dislike it too much to rely on it). I've also installed SPB shell on my wife's Acer e200, so was considering it, but I want to finish running some tests with the graphics drivers available here, with sense vs. sense turned off and some minor media playback issues first.
oh, i should have said. flashing is pretty much ur only way to improve what you want.
soooo.... if flash is a no go... new device maybe?
Is one rom preferable to another to make android run faster on the fuze?
Or should you just make sure certain settings are turned off or adjusted?
I appoint you to find that out!
Seriously though, I don't favor any ROM over the other. I have tried stock and custom and find no differences in the stability arena.
On the settings then has anyone experienced better battery life or better anything by turning off or adjusting anything on win6.5? Like if you installed a gamer version of xp it could help games to run better because certain settings and such are turned off or modified. I guess I don't really understand how much of win6.5 is running in the background and if it makes any difference.
That's just it, this isn't a mod nor an app, it's a full fledged OS. So, 0% of winmo runs when you run haret.exe. It's like when you boot into ubuntu (assuming you've done so) from a liveCD and not a VM/virtual machine.
Additionally, there are some settings that CAN be applied before you run haret, that affect Androids' performance because it shares some of those settings. In some cases it may be considered a work around but keep in mind, XDAndroid was never intended to be run ALL of the time.