I am a newbie to WinMo and Android devices.
I know it is possible to run Android on HTC window mobile pre-installed device, with the matter of the non-working camera.
I wanna know actually what is process/method which can makes Android possibly runs on HTC diamond, and does it mean once we have this boot system, we can boot any Android even the latest 2.2 Froyo?
All I want is to get some knowledge which can help me to step into this area, I love software engineering and find that this forum is the one which most positive users come, so hopefully I can start building sth from sketch in here.
Many thanks in advance, and thanks for the patiences and the kindness of knowledge sharing.
Hi, as you said, it is currently possible to boot an Android system from a WinMo one. But they are some issues left, mainly the battery life. Indeed, battery drains pretty fast with Android (and the indicator is not accurate at all).
Concerning Froyo (2.2), I ran many android systems on my Diamond 100, and Eclair versions (2.1) are really very slow, that is why I am currently using a Donut version (1.6), which is pretty fast and stable. So I'm not sure the Diamond will be able to run smoothly Froyo.
Last thing: today, the only way to have a working Android is to boot on WinMo and then launch a program (Haret) which will "kill" WinMo and boot to Android from internal storage (or SD card for other devices). There is currently no way of flashing an Android as you can do with WinMo.
Hope we'll get asap a fully working Android for our WinMo's HTCs
damien2702 said:
Hi, as you said, it is currently possible to boot an Android system from a WinMo one. But they are some issues left, mainly the battery life. Indeed, battery drains pretty fast with Android (and the indicator is not accurate at all).
Concerning Froyo (2.2), I ran many android systems on my Diamond 100, and Eclair versions (2.1) are really very slow, that is why I am currently using a Donut version (1.6), which is pretty fast and stable. So I'm not sure the Diamond will be able to run smoothly Froyo.
Last thing: today, the only way to have a working Android is to boot on WinMo and then launch a program (Haret) which will "kill" WinMo and boot to Android from internal storage (or SD card for other devices). There is currently no way of flashing an Android as you can do with WinMo.
Hope we'll get asap a fully working Android for our WinMo's HTCs
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instead i think that froyo will run well...because yesterday i saw some benchmark over the nexus one and the preformance were multiplyied by 2...and i saw the internet browsing benchmark and was the fastest browser i saw
So let's hope you are right about Froyo =)
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So let's hope you are right about Froyo =)
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i hope it too..i love android...i'm waiting for froyo and for a flashable android...i don't like a lot wm
And so do I ^^ I recently tried the Desire with Android 2.1, and I'll certainly buy one when I'll change my Diamond =)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess you are the one trying to cook a Sense XDAndroid ?
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And so do I ^^ I recently tried the Desire with Android 2.1, and I'll certainly buy one when I'll change my Diamond =)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess you are the one trying to cook a Sense XDAndroid ?
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i was trying but i was having porblem using ubuntu(no ethernet,no wireless and some other things) so when i will resolve those problem i will start
so haret in fact is a simulator?? just to provide a simulated environment to run Android?
If I'm right, Haret isn't a simulator. It is a program which, launched under WinMo, will kill all WinMo processes and boot on internal storage with Android files. Have you ever tried it?
if you want to try it the easy way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5420781#post5420781
there is an cab to download, just install it
than you can run android
bewhare, android uses a huge amount of internetactivity ( maybe it costs money with your telephon provider )
or just for testing remove the sim card...
its the easy way to run android, for multiboot
you need to install a multibootmanager on your phone
for me there are some problems with android on the diamond,
i get sometimes time outs of some programs, but its possible to use it... and test it...
maybe some thing in settings but i tryed it only for some hours ( telephonprovier... i got only 300 minutes of mobile internet connection for free )
but remember, back up your data...
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Well Hello Fellows...
As u ppls can see on my Sig...i just returned my Htc G1 due to some keyboard issue..and i m ready to do some nasty work for my TP2 but i need some answers before doing something with my TP2..
1st-- y we need some custom rom like 6.5.5...while we are already getting everything on the stock rom..and custom roms are same as stock rom some of the difference that the apps tab icons are big(as i am seeing on Custom Rom )<---- Prove me if i m wrong about it
2nd-- i m sooooooo exited to see android on HP2 and i really appreciate the hard work of the developers but i will wait till complete rom comes out ...and my main cause was to buy that machine is to use android on it but i need some user experience.....
3-- i want to know that difference between dual boot ..
3a --- as i saw that a dev created an app that we can directly boot android when we turn on the phone without booting in to WM...
3b---other is that 1st we need to turn on windows mobile then android ...
4--i will ask later when i get my other answers
i want to know which process is best like which process drain minimum battery and run android kinda normal speed...i know that its not that fast but come on ..
these are the main ques that are like dancing all time in my mind..Plz ignore my dictionary and answer my ques
ThankYou..
1. Different ROMs provide different experiences. For instance, the 6.5.x ROMs have a more finger-friendly navigation altogether, with the Windows Start button being at the bottom of the screen instead of the top.
Different ROMs will also give you different benefits. NRGZ ROM comes cooked with a radio app that doesn't need headphones (but of course, if you have a CDMA TP2, you won't have a radio to begin with). Deep Shine ROM makes the most of the Zoom Bar down at the bottom of the screen of your TP2. And Valkyrie's ROMs (the one I use) provides the most stability.
Note though that 6.5.x ROMs tend to be slower than most stock-ROMs.
2. You should just try Android for yourself. In my experience, Android was good. I actually downloaded the Facebook app with it, right after I downloaded the Facebook app for WinMo. So it was funny to see those two updates on my Facebook.
Regardless, sound doesn't work, and Camera doesn't work. When those two functions work, I myself will probably be using Android more than WinMo. I don't care much about BT. Look in the Android section of this sub-forum, find out for yourself.
3. Dual-boot simply allows you to boot one operating system first. So say you didn't want to boot WinMo first, then Android, the dev's app allows your to just boot Android first before WinMo. Simple as that.
Ask anything else, but take a look around first.
thanks buddy for your quick reply
well i have Vodafone Tp2..idk that is Cdma or not right now i using stock rom for windows mobile 6.5.5..that what the device says it have Sense UI i think TF3d 2.5...so i saw not much difference between my stock rom and the custom rom..and for the android ques well i was asking that which way is better ot use android like i think if i boot throught windows mobile then windows mobile will also take some ram else if i directly turn on android then android will use all the ram.and atleast runs better for this direct process and drain less battery....thats what i think and well i watched alot of videos and surfing web for this like 2weeks before asking these ques....
4---well for some games i want to use fpecse emulator...so any way to overclock the tp2..becoz i saw some of the videos of the emulator on Hd2 .. it runs the game pretty smooth...
5--App2SD..well can we use ap2sd on TP2 while using android?? <---Dump ques
4. There isn't a way (yet) to overclock your TP2. Oddly enough, Android on the TP2 is overclocked. But overclocking it via WinMo isn't possible as of current.
Regardless, playing certain games on FPSCE like FF7 works just fine. The more graphically enhanced the game is, the more the phone will lag. Every game I've loaded onto my phone (including the graphically beautiful Call of Duty 2) has worked just fine. Certain games are only in VGA, so download the WVGA fix (it's located in the "Programs to Download for your TP2" thread in the sub-section "Themes and Apps").
5. I wouldn't know about that, but if you want to put programs on your SD card, I believe they have a fix for that in the Android programs already. So, see that thread in "Android Development."
thanks mate for your quick reply .. well what about ram consuming?? speed effects.. direct android boot or android through windmo??
i know that i need to test it my self but also want to know the ppls expreience about android
Hi guys,
Sorry for another post about Android for Diamond, but I really want to know if there's someone which is actually working on Diamond, especially for a COMPLETE port of Android 2.1 and/or Android 2.2 Froyo...
I'm really tired of having Windows Mobile 6.1 (GenY D2 R5.5 rom) in my almost old device like the Diamond is... And I think Android is pretty nice and fast in it!
The latest XDANDROID cab (27 june) is great, but still remains a few things to do, such as Camera (secondary for priority), and above all Battery Drain!!
Also the overheating should not be underestimated...
Finally, like other people here in XDA, I ask you "How much time we have to wait for a full distribution?"
I know that it's not simple, as it might seem.
Thanks in advance for all your hard work!
Maybe a donation from all people here can accelerate the process!
Let me know what do you think.
Iperzampem0 said:
Hi guys,
I'm really tired of having Windows Mobile 6.1 (GenY D2 R5.5 rom) in my almost old device like the Diamond is... And I think Android is pretty nice and fast in it!
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Try to use wm 6.5.x it is a step to the right direction if you like android finger friendly behaviour and you could try to use wm 6.1 with Sense 2.5+ CoOkie home tab for this - but this combination is a little bit memory intensive.
But wm 6.5.x with for example S2U2 are easily usable, with good speed, pretty stable and battery usage was solved - no significant draining. Try to use for example BsB or Ralphussion roms etc.
Mbiba
Or..
I wouldn't waste the space on android until it's battery shortcommings have been fixed. There is an android app that makes the phone behave in a similar manner like the I-Phone one for WM. This is a good compromise until everything on android works.
You should know there's a second thread with 2.2 versions of Android:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692
Thanks for the answers! I'll wait patiently for an Android build to solve all the currennt issues... If someone has many effort, write it here.
Any good news about Eclair 2.1 or Froyo 2.2 on Diamond with good battery life!?
It seems not
I'm sure there's some thread somewhere about this, but I haven't found one after searching quite a while.
What ROMs are people using for Windows Mobile before loading XDAndroid? Searching Android Rom doesn't seem to work very well and I've tried several other options.
I'm looking for a lighter rom, but I'd like to have 6.5.3 so when I can't use XDAndroid (like when I need speakerphone or camera) then I'll still have a system I like.
If there's already a thread somewhere for this sorry, please point me at it.
There's been some debate about whether or not the ROM effects Android at all. I'm of the belief that the particular ROM you're running has NO bearing on Android whatsoever. There are others who say differently... But I've run the "lightest" ROM possible - basically boots WinMo enough to immeidately kick off Haret...and I found no difference in performance.
This was on my original TP, but the concept should be the same.
So, I just run EnergyROM. But, try it out - let us know what you think. Install a light ROM and see if there's a difference... I don't think there is, and the placebo effect plays very greatly into this without some hard numbers on performance differences. Since WinMo is booted out of memory, I honestly don't think the ROM effects Android at all.
I was thinking more along the lines of space still left in storage, but depending on how the roms are done and how much you install I guess the rom isn't a huge difference.
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I was thinking more along the lines of space still left in storage, but depending on how the roms are done and how much you install I guess the rom isn't a huge difference.
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Hrm... Either I'm misundertsanding you, or you're misunderstood
Android runs entirely off of the SD card presently. So whatever space is leftover from flashing the ROM, it won't really matter... because currently Android doesn't touch the space that a WinMo ROM takes up. Make sense?
Using Energy Rom here and the reefer BLAZIN build runs great parallel to it. Although I also believe The winMo rom you are running makes no difference.
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Hrm... Either I'm misundertsanding you, or you're misunderstood
Android runs entirely off of the SD card presently. So whatever space is leftover from flashing the ROM, it won't really matter... because currently Android doesn't touch the space that a WinMo ROM takes up. Make sense?
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This is not entirely true that it has no effect. On the HD2 it really matters what kind of winmo rom you use. Don't ask me why, but with some winmo roms you hear a robot voice when calling.
So it could be possible that it also has some effect on our tp2, but I don't think that is the case for us because I never heard anyone about it.
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This is not entirely true that it has no effect. On the HD2 it really matters what kind of winmo rom you use. Don't ask me why, but with some winmo roms you hear a robot voice when calling.
So it could be possible that it also has some effect on our tp2, but I don't think that is the case for us because I never heard anyone about it.
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Are you talking about the NAND bootloader for the HD2 or the SD card haret method...?
Besides, I've never experienced anything like this, and I tried A TON of ROMs on my TP1 to figure out if there was any difference. My conclusion was there was no difference. Granted WinMo initializes some things for Android, so it is still necessary, and some settings within WinMo will affect Android... but I don't think the ROM itself whether it's light or heavy will affect the performance of Android. I assume that's what we're talking about...
Slight OT but i just need to ask.....if i do finally get Android to run on my TP2 and it boots up fine. Assuming i install 10 applications from market. After i do a reboot, would the apps and it's setting stay? Or will i get a fresh android OS again?
Scann69 said:
Slight OT but i just need to ask.....if i do finally get Android to run on my TP2 and it boots up fine. Assuming i install 10 applications from market. After i do a reboot, would the apps and it's setting stay? Or will i get a fresh android OS again?
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You'll only get a "fresh" Android OS if you delete your data.img file. So yes, the apps will stay
I've ran Stock Verizon ROM and Mighty ROM. No difference when Android is booted since HARET unloads the memory space WinMo is using.
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I've ran Stock Verizon ROM and Mighty ROM. No difference when Android is booted since HARET unloads the memory space WinMo is using.
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try energy titanium. really you wont notice much difference tho. but homeboys right, placebo effect could help ya out
I an considering the Android OS for my TYTN II, but cant seem to find any info of the Android OS vs. the WM 6.5 ROMS.
I now run Josh's MEGARAM ROM...and it is ok. But I really like Android.
Is it worth it?
do all functions work?
It's been over a year since I last used it, but back then it was good enough that I used it exclusively.
I seem to remember their was a problem with the autofocus on the camera, and the occasional bug to do with the speaker phone.
Performance was fine - it felt faster than windows mobile.
I'd give it a go - you can install it onto your SD card and boot it from WM without effecting your WM install.
Instructions are on this forum somewhere.
I run Android exclusively and, up until recently, android on our phones was plagued with different problems, especialy data loss/corruption.
That has been fixed with a new kernel, RIL update (fixes radio issues) and other tweaks. The kernel fixes don't apply to haret users AFAIK, but android has progressed quite a bit on our Kaisers in one year.
I had been running Scoots CM 7.1.0 for almost a month before going back to Froyo. I couldn't be without a camera for those "suprise" events...lol.
Smooth, fast, stable, fun... thats my observations.
Is Gingerbread very slow? Donut or Froyo? I don't use my camera so much, but I want/need a (decent)snappy device.
I have tried both a Froyo variant and a Gingerbread variant on my Diamond but for me its not usable at all .. It lockups every 30 seconds for like 1 minute. Just when my devices screen goes black i am barely able to turn it back on again.
Now im not complaining about the devs work here, dont take it that way.. I just want to know if its supposed to run this way or if its something i do wrong?
Da9L said:
I have tried both a Froyo variant and a Gingerbread variant on my Diamond but for me its not usable at all .. It lockups every 30 seconds for like 1 minute. Just when my devices screen goes black i am barely able to turn it back on again.
Now im not complaining about the devs work here, dont take it that way.. I just want to know if its supposed to run this way or if its something i do wrong?
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try to install android rom on your device's internal storage and use GenYDualBoot to be able to run it from windows !
Hakim Rahman said:
try to install android rom on your device's internal storage and use GenYDualBoot to be able to run it from windows !
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Is it usable on a day to day basis or is it still heavily in development? Can't find that much information on it to be honest.
Lipinsky said:
Is it usable on a day to day basis or is it still heavily in development? Can't find that much information on it to be honest.
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I have two 2 months applying it to my Htc diamond {dual boot = Eto.Y 2.4a WWE + XDAndroid FRX07.1 (on internal storage)}
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Is it usable on a day to day basis or is it still heavily in development? Can't find that much information on it to be honest.
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The usability has definitely increased over the years but it is still more a concept than a real operating system as the hardware and software dont work together very well. This is because there are no official kernels, drivers or anything provided by HTC. The xdandroid team has done an incredible work to get android running on this device, but they couldnt find a way to properly get android on the NAND because the storage is too small. Thats also why you have to start it via windows mobile and cant directly boot to it, it runs out of the SD Card. So you will never achieve a nice performance as long as the OS isnt located on the NAND. The lags and force closes you are certainly experiencing derive from this problem. The device itself would definitely have the power to run android at an acceptable performance.
As far as I know the development has ceased. If you search the corresponding threads you will find the statement of the devs. Here is were you can look:
Froyo, Gingerbread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951981
Froyo 07: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951811
Gingerbread 0A: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692
wiki: http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Main_Page
blog: http://southcape.org/category/android/
yeah development seems to be halted, its nice to play with, but not as main os for day to day use