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manilla2d vs HTC Home in memory terms

Hello, I was usgin joshoss V8B2 manilla2d and with some apps installed (via device update) I was left with like 10 megs free, so I tried the PDACornerPro.V27 - Build 20759 NonRBSN Josh-Abs (both greeeeeeeeat ROMS!!!!) and installed basically the same apps with the addition of HTC Home to have a nice look and feel (closer to manilla)... and ended up with around 12 megs free.... so I'm not sure which one is eating more resources.... any idea? manilla is still more unstable, right?
diego

Personally I do not feel that manila is for the hermes, until I get my touch3g I am going to run HTC home and spb mobile shell.

I am also quite interested in the study...
Currently using HTC HOme and happy with it, but if Manilla doesn't consume much more resources (In terms of RAM: for the storage we can all use a Micro SD anyway...), I would immediately switch !!!
Anybody can comment more?

I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...

I am a streamline fanatic and like to keep my resources in check. Personally, on the Hermes I think Manila eats up to many resources.
Maybe in the earlier versions there might have been some memory leaks, but I noticed that in the end, I would end up with under 20megs of ram. And if you play with Manila that would go down. HTC Home uses about 4 megs.
Also when I had Manila on, I found that Opera would crash more often, mostly due to running out of memory while it would never do such thing while running HTC Home.
Also I noticed some sluggishness on the Hermes while using Manila, which also sometimes took a little longer --5-10 seconds-- to load, depending on the ROM.
So all in all, once HTC Home is loaded, it is always almost instantaneous, while Manila would again slowdown the phone in mid-operation. And by that I mean switching from the Today Screen to let's say settings or programs.

ultramag69 said:
I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
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I believe Josh's version is stable (from what I read)

Hi guys,
I tried like 4-5 Manilla 2D builds. They all had some bugs which weren't such a pain in the ass, but they were annoying. I was using PDA Corner V25 - great rom. Several days ago I installed PDAViet's Manilla2D v20 ROM and I must admit it is great. I didn't have any problems with manilla in terms of performance. The RAM left is 21MB on boot. The overall performance of the ROM is great. All apps work as fast as on the abusalza's rom. However I haven't tested the YouTube app, since I don't use it. The only problem is the lower in call volume compared to abusalza's rom. And if you use video call, I'm not sure if it's included.

I used multiple ROMs with Manilla 2D .. im now flashing backa again to a ROM without Manilla because i had too many problems with it.. i'm used to listen a lot of music... but with manilla on my Hermie the battery is empty so fast that sometimes i don't even have the chance to lsiten to the music ( i recharge it every night.. and i usually listen to music at about 15:00 pm.. by then it's already on low battery =s
on the other hand there are some stupid buggs in it.. like youtube doesnt work... sometimes the usb-connection doesnt work.. or what also bothers me is the volume control that is removed from audiomanager... there are also some other small problems which bother me but i'm not going to spend any more time on it right now
sorry for my bad english =)
ps. if somebody finds a tool for me to change the music player in manilla ( like from audiomanager to windows mediaplayer) pm me pls..

yes, in my case, I was using Josh's version and it was very stable and had I think all functionality working...the problem was after installing some apps, and after runining for a while opening and closing things I get an error of out of memory...
is there a way to make all "Device Update" to install on storage card?
will some more space on main memory help the RAM issue?

I've tried it out a bit. I'm using update 19 from here, and the Manilla 2D Customiser. On CRC's 13.0 naked non-big storage rom, I used UC to put on all the cab files in the right order, except for the Opera and Youtube apps. Using the customiser, I have removed the internet, mapping and settings tabs, and it runs pretty smoothly. Usually between 18-20MB RAM free. This does tend to go down a bit with usage, but I tend to soft-reset daily, and its not really a problem.

been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.

SlakerBoi said:
been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
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I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.

When I try to update library from storage card it will start to adding files then stop. Any suggestions. It worked fine with another rom I was using.

thunda_chunky said:
I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
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i really have the same problem asa u, and now i do not deside to flash any ROM that had installed the M2D, & I like Spb Shell most, cause it is nice and stable

Alltel WM6.1 ROM, my impression

I haven't seen too much about this and just upgraded so I thought I'd post some of my thoughts on it:
ROM Version 3.10.671.1
ROM Date 9/22/08
Radio Version 3.42.30
Found it at software.alltel.com (which redirected to HTC's site)
Speed seems a little faster than my stock ROM.
Battery life is noticeably better. Before it was terrible, now it lasts a full day.
It includes threaded text messages. So far I love this...always envied it on my wife's BlackBerry.
Enables built in GPS. I activated the 30 day trial and it seems to work well. I don't like the actual software as much as iGO 8 that I've been using with an external bluetooth GPS, but its still decent.
****I'd love to know if I can use the internal GPS with iGO? I poked around a bit but couldn't see any way to do it with this vanilla ROM. If someone knows something I'm all ears.
The CUBE didn't change at all (still sucks)
The weather program still doesn't cover my city which is terribly irritating (useless)
Comes with Opera 8.65 bundled. It loads slow initially but seems decent other than that.
SO...if I could get the internal GPS working with iGO 8, and get my Weather database fixed, I'd be pretty happy.
I'm not opposed to trying one of the ROMS on here, but am usually overwhelmed by all the choices. If anyone has a suggestion based on my comments above, I'd love to hear it.

FLAWLESSVW said:
I haven't seen too much about this and just upgraded so I thought I'd post some of my thoughts on it:
ROM Version 3.10.671.1
ROM Date 9/22/08
Radio Version 3.42.30
Found it at software.alltel.com (which redirected to HTC's site)
Speed seems a little faster than my stock ROM.
Battery life is noticeably better. Before it was terrible, now it lasts a full day.
It includes threaded text messages. So far I love this...always envied it on my wife's BlackBerry.
Enables built in GPS. I activated the 30 day trial and it seems to work well. I don't like the actual software as much as iGO 8 that I've been using with an external bluetooth GPS, but its still decent.
****I'd love to know if I can use the internal GPS with iGO? I poked around a bit but couldn't see any way to do it with this vanilla ROM. If someone knows something I'm all ears.
The CUBE didn't change at all (still sucks)
The weather program still doesn't cover my city which is terribly irritating (useless)
Comes with Opera 8.65 bundled. It loads slow initially but seems decent other than that.
SO...if I could get the internal GPS working with iGO 8, and get my Weather database fixed, I'd be pretty happy.
I'm not opposed to trying one of the ROMS on here, but am usually overwhelmed by all the choices. If anyone has a suggestion based on my comments above, I'd love to hear it.
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Im new here as of tonight but let me throw in my two cents about iGo. Never used it but have seen lots of posts of users that do. I like Tom Tom 7. You shoudl, however be able to use iGo with the internal GPS. Its not a windows setting per se, but a setting in the GPS program. Somehow you told it to use the external GPS so you should be able to have it look for GPS internally. WM6.1 has a built in virtual device. Point your application at this, usually com 4 or select "Windows Managed"
Let me know how it works out as I am noew to the vouge, coming from the TITAN. Couldnt handle the lack of memory. Finally drove me insane so I called VZW and they are sending me out a 6900, should be here tomorrow. Scouting out kitchens, GPS fixes, etc.

GPS Hacks
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=36377
My Custom Alltel ROM
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=33359

I would agree with the initial post. Everything seems faster...love the threaded messages...and the battery does last noticeably longer. I have applied the battery registry tweak to see if I can get any more out of it.

conflipper said:
GPS Hacks
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=36377
My Custom Alltel ROM
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=33359
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Bumping old news. But Cons rom is flat out the BEST alltel rom out there.

I agree get Con's ROM you will not regret it.... Go with the Manilla.....

Questions about memory (yes I have read the various tips)

Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).

cirrob said:
Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
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I can't offer any magic bullets here for you I'm afraid, but I just wanted to say that I think the blame can be squarely placed on Sense, as opposed to wm6.5 so much. Not to say that 6.5 is some kind of streamlined OS, but just try using the phone for a day, or even just a few hours, with Sense turned off, and this will become obvious.
I know that's not terribly insightful, but in problem solving you always want to divide and conquer, so you can at least know which of those two ways to direct your efforts. I wish you luck, honestly...I think there's a lot more TP2 owners out there who experience it exactly as you do, if not worse. My personal experience on my recent upgrade to a stock 6.5 ROM is slightly better than yours, but no more than 10%, and I'm fastidious about manual memory management (through pretty much the same methods you've listed). The only other thing I do that I don't see a lot of other users here doing, that I believe helps me sidestep other lagging issues, is keeping my sms folders trimmed at all times...as in, no more than 45-50 messages in there live at any given time. Will your memory load decrease if you do the same? I dunno, it's just the only other thing I could think of that you haven't already mentioned

Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?

RedRamage said:
Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
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On most TP2's yes....there were a few carrier ROMs (like the first tmobile WM6.1 ROM) that had the precursor to Sense, aka TF3D, but most carrier's ROMs either came with Sense or have now been upgraded to it.

Thanks Sirphunkee for your response. After several days of searching and finding no one able to give any sort of real answer to the massive memory consumption sense uses, I have sence reverted her phone back to the stock rom at her request (I dont blame her: 66-73% consumed when ideling is simply not acceptable by any standards). If al she were doing is running the homescreen plugin (sense) I guess this might be fine, but she actually uses the tp2 for other things than just looking at it and scrolling from tab to tab.
After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.

cirrob said:
After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
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I'm glad you got something that works the way you want...but 8 programs running at once?! I assume that you're not joking...?
I'm sure that the reason you couldn't find much help on how to free up memory to the level you want is because nobody else needs to run that many programs at once.
Just curious: what 8 programs would a person need to run at the same time? And it's not useful with "only" 3 or 4 programs running simultaneously?
Of course, it's none of my business...I've just never heard of wanting to run that many programs simultaneously. I don't even do that on my PC at work (engineering R&D).
FWIW: My phone (running the ROM in my sig) boots at about 62% memory used and slowly grows. I run cleanRAM when memory use gets well above 70% (even though the phone still seems to perform fine at that level). That usually brings it down by about 15MB. Eventually cleanRAM can't do enough and I soft-reset. I don't find it difficult or inconvenient to do a soft-reset since it only takes a couple of minutes. I find that an acceptable compromise to avoid having to use the inconvenient 6.1 with 2.1. After running 6.5.5 for the past 4 or 5 months I can't even go back to regular 6.5.
YMMV...and obviously does!

Honestly, when my phone (Tilt 2) wakes me up in the morning with the alarm, I immediately do a soft reset while I evacuate fluids and brush teeth. It is good for the day. I tend to hover around 60%.
But I am running the stock Tilt 2 rom which is still 2.1

Don't want to make any form of advertising or spam, but I honestly think that you should try my Hybrid ROM. Sense 2.5 and WM6.1 improves the used memory a lot. Now I have fixed all important incompatibility bugs, so it's reliable and much faster then any other Sense 2.5 rom. If you don't care about the WM6.5 eye-candy and you're prepared for some stylus use, try it.

cirrob said:
I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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So there's a tool to convert the iPhone marketplace to Android marketplace? Neat.

Honestly mine does great runnin latest energy rom with the ssk and push internet + memory leak mod. have weather animation disabled and also turned off animation on cookie tabs. amazingly quick. my memory runs bout 60% idle.. which is great compared to what it was on the stock att rom. energyrom 4/17/10 6.5 with sense 2.5

The sad story of the reducing Desire

About 3 months ago (end of march?) I upgraded from my old trusty Hero to the new HTC Desire, and as everyone who has had the joy of owning one I've been very happy with it, specially after (with the unvaluable help of XDA) I managed to iron out some of its quirks.
My only issue with it is that lately I keep getting the annoyng taskbar icon and message that says that there's no more space available on my phone and that I should delete some more apps to free some more space.
I constantly kept reducing the number of my apps every few days, renouncing to some I was quite fond of, and eliminating all double functions even though I liked to have the possibility to choose, but the space keeps getting smaller and smaller, not because I install more apps , but only because I update the apps I already have.
Every time I update my apps the newer versions apparently take more space than the ones they substitute, so that nearly every time I update I am forced to erase at least one of my apps.
Soon I'll have space for only one super-updated app !
I have noticed that the "no more space" icon & message pops up every time the free space goes under 10% and after the latest updates I have only 9% ( 13 mb) left.
The problem is that now I have just the absolutely necessary apps, those I feel I just can't do without.
All in all , including all the original apps and programs that came with the phone and that it's impossible to erase, I've got 128 icons on my menu.
Is that many?
I'm pretty sure that I had more in my old Hero.
On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5) that frees memory and even speeds up the phone, does anyone knows of an equivalent program for Android 2.1?
Or maybe of some way to get some free space by some other method, like moving something to the mem card, or getting rid of some useless stuff?
Please?
This thing is getting relly frustrating.

No way to solve this issue barr flashing a FroYo rom or installing APPS2SD
Easier to install a FroYo rom but they are still buggy.

PlexusXXX said:
About 3 months ago (end of march?) I upgraded from my old trusty Hero to the new HTC Desire, and as everyone who has had the joy of owning one I've been very happy with it, specially after (with the unvaluable help of XDA) I managed to iron out some of its quirks.
My only issue with it is that lately I keep getting the annoyng taskbar icon and message that says that there's no more space available on my phone and that I should delete some more apps to free some more space.
I constantly kept reducing the number of my apps every few days, renouncing to some I was quite fond of, and eliminating all double functions even though I liked to have the possibility to choose, but the space keeps getting smaller and smaller, not because I install more apps , but only because I update the apps I already have.
Every time I update my apps the newer versions apparently take more space than the ones they substitute, so that nearly every time I update I am forced to erase at least one of my apps.
Soon I'll have space for only one super-updated app !
I have noticed that the "no more space" icon & message pops up every time the free space goes under 10% and after the latest updates I have only 9% ( 13 mb) left.
The problem is that now I have just the absolutely necessary apps, those I feel I just can't do without.
All in all , including all the original apps and programs that came with the phone and that it's impossible to erase, I've got 128 icons on my menu.
Is that many?
I'm pretty sure that I had more in my old Hero.
On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5) that frees memory and even speeds up the phone, does anyone knows of an equivalent program for Android 2.1?
Or maybe of some way to get some free space by some other method, like moving something to the mem card, or getting rid of some useless stuff?
Please?
This thing is getting relly frustrating.
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Wait until 23 June.. I got some info.. Froyo for HTC Desire will coming

PlexusXXX said:
...On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5)
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OT: how do you like your Desire compared to the HD2?
I have the HD2 and I think the phone hardware is great, love the screen and the RAM and ROM. So far the best phone I have ever had, and I have had a lot.
I would love to try Android (would love to have it on a phone with the HD2 specs - and ATT )

...On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5)
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OT: how do you like your Desire compared to the HD2?
I have the HD2 and I think the phone hardware is great, love the screen and the RAM and ROM. So far the best phone I have ever had, and I have had a lot.
I would love to try Android (would love to have it on a phone with the HD2 specs - and ATT )
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I came from HD2 as well and I have to agree that HD2 hardware is far more superior than the Desire. The build quality is good, large screen is gorgeous.
However, I prefer Android so much more than Winmo. Glad that I made the switch.
Sent from my HTC Desire

myth1001 said:
I came from HD2 as well and I have to agree that HD2 hardware is far more superior than the Desire. The build quality is good, large screen is gorgeous.
However, I prefer Android so much more than Winmo. Glad that I made the switch.
Sent from my HTC Desire
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it seems to be THE OS everyone is going to. I will wait until 2.2 gets on a phone that I can use with ATT, and that might only be a month away.

This is a known issue, I've had it but it seems to have gone. While I have no 100% sure cure I will try to give you some advice, hopefully it will solve the problem.
Question (please reply) : does your phone take a lot (I mean A LOT) of time to power down? I ask this because I feel there's a problem with the Desire's shutdown routine, it should clear some cache and old/obsolete data during shutdown but sometimes it fails.
Back to your problem, you have 2 options: try to force the phone to do the right thing and reclaim space OR restore to factory default and reinstall everything. Of course, second option is a little bit painful but as you have already been forced to uninstall most of the apps you'll have less to reinstall after a full wipe.
As for first option:
- try to power down / reboot your phone several times in a row; be patient, let it do it's thing, don't pull the battery out.
- power down your phone then power up by keeping MENU key pressed until it boots up: this will force it into safe mode (it only loads apps installed in the ROM, not the ones you added later). Can't really tell you why/how this helps but it solved my problem and it doesn't hurt to try. After booting into safe mode check the amount of space you have: should be OK now. Power down the phone and power up normally.
- check your apps (Settings, applications, manage applications) to see which ones take so much space. Maybe it's the browser cache, maybe Gmail storage or whatever. After taking care of one or more of them (e.g. clear browser cache) reboot your phone (power it down as it should, not by pulling battery out, to allow it to do it's shutdown routine).
I really hope this helps, I know how frustrating it can be. Froyo can't come soon enough! Or some real/safe root method.

I have been experiencing similar problems (although far less extreme), I tried starting in safe mode, clearing the browser cache and restarting, my free memory went from 74Mb to 105Mb but this change only showed up after the restart.

Thanx for the the prompt answers and the suggestions which I am trying right now.
I did'nt think about emptying the the browsers' caches because I thought that this kind of data would be kept in my capacious 16GB sd card.
I'm gonna do it right away because I use 3 browsers: Opera as default, but also Xscope and Dolphin which are really great to watch flash videos and I love watching long BBC documentaries in my spare time.
Besides I just noticed that Xscope automatically clears its cache on exit (if the option is activated) and Dolphin stores it on the memo card (also if the option is checked).
As for your questions.
1) No, my Droid switches off (and on ) very fast, much faster than my old Hero or my old N97, or my old Omnia, faster than my old HTC HD, and even slightly faster than my (actual) HTC HD2.
I guess it's thanks of the snappy Snapdragon CPU.
2) I do feel a bit silly having 2 phones but after having tried a Hero I just had to buy one and once I did I immediatly became a true Android convert.
I use Gmail, Gdocs, Gcalendar as my basic programs and iGoogle is my startpage , moreover the choice of free apps on Android market is without equal (i know because my wife insists on using iPhone 3GS, and now she even bought a 27" iMac hoping to get the same seamless sync'ing I get with my google apps on PC and my Android phone).
But no matter how much I love Android, the HD2 ,( which I had since september 2009) is just too good to let it go.
Forget about all the great Android Apps, but to watch pics, vids, to read e books and downloaded PDF pages, and also to listen to music it has no equal (in my opinion).
The camera and videocam (after applying the latest firmware and the fixes found here on XDA) are better than those on the Desire.
The voice dialing for the HD2 just works (thanx to dutty's work) also via BT headset and headphones, while the Desire's best voice dialing app (choice dialer) still tends to suck and the lack of a dedicated "call" button makes things even worse .
For one like me, who spends most of his waking time driving a car , voice dialing is a must; and the one Dutty fixed for the HD2 is just great.
Last but not least I bought that beautiful HD2 active holder for table and car (which does not fit the Desire) and I also bought CoPilot sat nav for the HD2 which works perfectly too.
As an excuse for having 2 phones usually I say that I need one for business and one for private use and maybe sometimes it's true too.
I usually keep the Desire in my pocket and the HD2 in my car or briefcase.
In any case because of my job, most of the time (nearly always actually) I am obliged to find space in my briefcase for a good bridge camera, a little vidocam, a dictaphone, and my netbook with accessories and peripherals, plus assorted gizmos according to the specific situation at hand, so the HD2 doesn't really change much in terms of weight.
Unfortunately the only phone that maybe would be able to substitute both my phones would probably be the HTC EVO but it seems like this beauty will never make it to our decadent european continent.
So I look forward to be able to buy the Dell Streak (mini5) and I really hope that next month , once hopefully I'll finally manage to wrap my fingers around it, I will not end up carrying 3 phones.
What do you think?
I'm a desperate case?

OF course not, you are like me and other Desire users... I'm not sorry i bought the phone and even thought that i wouldn't mind having such little space for apps, but really - we have so many apps and can't installed it because of the limited space...
This is also HTC fault because they have to win money, but for what we pay for the Desire and others, we really shuld have bigger internal space (1GB was enough for now).
Froyo will surely solve our main problems, and i also have 2 phones...
I will replace my simple Nokia when WP7 will be released at the end of the year, since i will never have an Apple device bought my me.
The i will have the two best: Android and WP7 - and i know that WP7 won't suffer from another annoying thing on Android: platform fragmentation. I'm sure that all WP7 devices will be automatically updated to latest versions of the OS which not occur with Android phones.

W7 looks poised to be a winner, however in my opinion Sense UI and the changes that HTC made to win mobile 6.5 for the HD2 , are so good that I really don't thik that this particular device needs a different OS.
HTC managed the incredible feat of making win 6.5 good, easy and a plasure to use.
In fact probably when (if) an upgrade for the HD2 will become available , I don't think that I will rush to install w7, which (as all new OSs) will probably see the light burdened with all sorts of bugs, glitches, and childhood diseases, while the newest ROM for HD2 coupled with Sense UI is eminentely stable, and just... good.
What win would need to compete with android is the so called "ecosystem" or "environment" : apps (specially free apps) and integration with cloud services, like Android does with Gmail, Gmaps (with sat nav), Gdocs, Gtalk, Gcalendar, Gtranslate, etc. etc.
I mean, have you seen the Windows marketplace? It's pathetic.
Even OVI market for my old N97 was better than this and I remember that it relly sucked.
They even removed the few free apps there used to be.
As good as W7 will turn out to be, one thing no OS can do is fixing this kind of structural weaknesses in the win "ecosystem".

I think it's for HTC's own good to update the Desire as soon as possible since potential buyers could go out to buy a Nexus if they wait too long.
With the Hero-update, it's another story I think because there were some issues and I think performance was one of them. And that way, HTC managed Hero users to go out and buy the Desire.
But this time, they can't do that move since the Desire is their top-device and the Nexus is a rival although they created the device. HTC would rather people buy the Desire than the Nexus of course.

PlexusXXX said:
W7 looks poised to be a winner, however in my opinion Sense UI and the changes that HTC made to win mobile 6.5 for the HD2 , are so good that I really don't thik that this particular device needs a different OS.
HTC managed the incredible feat of making win 6.5 good, easy and a plasure to use.
In fact probably when (if) an upgrade for the HD2 will become available , I don't think that I will rush to install w7, which (as all new OSs) will probably see the light burdened with all sorts of bugs, glitches, and childhood diseases, while the newest ROM for HD2 coupled with Sense UI is eminentely stable, and just... good.
What win would need to compete with android is the so called "ecosystem" or "environment" : apps (specially free apps) and integration with cloud services, like Android does with Gmail, Gmaps (with sat nav), Gdocs, Gtalk, Gcalendar, Gtranslate, etc. etc.
I mean, have you seen the Windows marketplace? It's pathetic.
Even OVI market for my old N97 was better than this and I remember that it relly sucked.
They even removed the few free apps there used to be.
As good as W7 will turn out to be, one thing no OS can do is fixing this kind of structural weaknesses in the win "ecosystem".
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Well its been a long time since I have played with any winmo device, but I believe ms will make things right with wp7. They already announced new live wave 4 and hotmail support for POP3 and a lot of new techs. Also the so called ecosystem is going great, wp7 will have Xmas and xbox games on it (you will be able to play the very same games on mobile, xbox and pc). The new demos I have seen are amazing and done in very little time, and this is great for developers. One thing that I should expect is, although I like the new OS aspect, they intend that all devices should look the same. This is good for the final user, but for me, an enthusiastic user, I would want to make it more customized. Maybe latter on we will see this happening, but I will bet wp7 will rock! If only Nokia would put all their potential in making great phones with Android and wp7, that would be also great! Fingers crossed

Necroman_AI said:
Well its been a long time since I have played with any winmo device, but I believe ms will make things right with wp7. They already announced new live wave 4 and hotmail support for POP3 and a lot of new techs. Also the so called ecosystem is going great, wp7 will have Xmas and xbox games on it (you will be able to play the very same games on mobile, xbox and pc). The new demos I have seen are amazing and done in very little time, and this is great for developers. One thing that I should expect is, although I like the new OS aspect, they intend that all devices should look the same. This is good for the final user, but for me, an enthusiastic user, I would want to make it more customized. Maybe latter on we will see this happening, but I will bet wp7 will rock! If only Nokia would put all their potential in making great phones with Android and wp7, that would be also great! Fingers crossed
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MeeGo/Maemo > Android > Windows Phone 7

'Optimising' the Touch Pro 2 (WITHOUT FLASHING!)

Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for the absolutly best way to get the ultimate performance from my device. Whether its the Orange ROM (WM6.5) or some wee glitch with my phone, ive had issues. I find Sense slow and buggy and have been plagued with freezes and having to rest several times every day. Battery performance has been poor and in general a fantastic machine just wasnt cutting the mustard (even went back to my Kaiser for a while).
The problems seem to be common enough tbh.
Anyway with just a few differences my machine has become the chalk against the previous cheese. A hard rest and forgetting about Sense was the start. Ive replaced it with SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.5. Combined with obvious backlight time adjustments, and a few 'Advanced Config' tweaks, my Touch Pro 2 has just become a different machine!
Much more smooth and resets just arent necessary.
Ive sacraficed Opera for the latest Opera Mini. More than adequate for my purposes and the interface is actually handier to use for people whos internet access is concentrated on just a few sites/ forums.
Im not on here advertising SPB by the way, just what ive found myself!
Unless you are a massive super user, i dont find the need for OCT or the like. I use MSM most of the day, regular Opera Mini, heavy SMS and occasional Word Mobile and find hte above arrangement brilliant.
Has anyone else any suggestions in the same vein that can help even more?? I am, and im sure most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
Q

I prefer CHT with OCT. My device absolutely flies. When it begins to lag a bit after using more than 5 apps, I just CleanRAM custom. Works like a charm. I have found that the device will work at maximum performance when installing everything to the Storage Card. Having all the RAM available for the OS keeps it faster for me. It seems that there is a performance difference when you have 70Gb as opposed to 50Gb. CleanRAM really is the greatest thing for this device.
I tried SPB Shell a few months ago, but I think CHT is much better. Theres way more customization and I find it easier to navigate. You just put your favorite apps in 3 pages. The Shell had things needlessly in different locations and into sub categories. It just didn't suit me.

use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05

Quincey113 said:
Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for
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most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
Q
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uncleswoop said:
use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05
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lol
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I was trying to use a modded HTC Home plugin with HTC Home Customizer but ran up against too many problems, so I've returned to Sense for now. I'm hoping to flash a new ROM sometime soon, once I've reinstalled XP and 7 on my PC (I've only got Vista left as running normally, and dislike it too much to rely on it). I've also installed SPB shell on my wife's Acer e200, so was considering it, but I want to finish running some tests with the graphics drivers available here, with sense vs. sense turned off and some minor media playback issues first.

oh, i should have said. flashing is pretty much ur only way to improve what you want.
soooo.... if flash is a no go... new device maybe?