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Did you try to enter text in various applications which are not default Microsoft? I found out that on the Excalibur/Dash and might be also the same problem on all other full keyboard (landscape) Smartphones, that at those applications the....
WER
SDF
XCV
...keys are being recognized as the nummeric ones like:
123
456
789
This seems to be a bug (hopefully not a feature) at the OS.
I do see this with e.g. Smartphonenotes (quite important to me), VNC Viewer (for Remote Desktop Control) and at some Java Apps like GoogleMaps, the same is with applications based on .NET.
This is a reason why I again take my HTC p4350 (Herald) with me on the road tomorrow, because I need to control my desktop remotely and start my VPN connection to the company, in order to run the emoze client and to receive emails
Guys, believe me, for hardcore users, it is very annoying.
Did anybody hear a solution for this?
I've just tried Smartphone Notes on my Dash & it's working just fine. The default is alpha and pressing function twice shifts them the keyboard into to numeric mode.
I also noticced that. TomTom for example does not recognize these keys as letters. I have to use T9 on these 9 letters.
adhussain said:
I've just tried Smartphone Notes on my Dash & it's working just fine. The default is alpha and pressing function twice shifts them the keyboard into to numeric mode.
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adhussain please in Smartphonenotes please try to save a note which is called e.g. "Laguna" (my note for my car and you will see that you are then not able to search completely using the alpha keys. Also "A" key is then not working.
Fire00, it saves a note called Laguna just fine. 'A' key working fine as well. I dont get what u mean by search completely? I also tried Convert It! and it entered numeric where it was supposed to and in Newscopier it entered alphabets in the fields where it was supposed to. BTW in my earlier post above, i stated that i owned the Dash, where as I actually own the HTC s620, sorry.
it depends on the application, for example tomtom. it would work properly if they updated the app.
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Fire00, it saves a note called Laguna just fine. 'A' key working fine as well. I dont get what u mean by search completely? I also tried Convert It! and it entered numeric where it was supposed to and in Newscopier it entered alphabets in the fields where it was supposed to. BTW in my earlier post above, i stated that i owned the Dash, where as I actually own the HTC s620, sorry.
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What's wrong then with my already second s620 unit?
I wished it would work like you're saying.
OK let's try another one. A note in Smartphonenotes which starts with an "A".
When I press "A" on the alpha-keyboard, it does not react. The key "A" does simply not exist. But when I press the "E (2)" key, it is being recognized as an "A" according to the nummeric (T9) scheme.
The same is in TomTom, the same is in Java based apps like Googlemaps, in .NET based apps like Remote Desktop Control. The issue here is that all these applications do recognize all the keys which do have 2 functions (alpha and nummeric = wer, sdf, xcv) are treated like nummeric ones. And last but not least, the A key on the left (the first one original alpha key) does not work at all in that applications.
fire00 said:
What's wrong then with my already second s620 unit?
I wished it would work like you're saying.
OK let's try another one. A note in Smartphonenotes which starts with an "A".
When I press "A" on the alpha-keyboard, it does not react. The key "A" does simply not exist. But when I press the "E (2)" key, it is being recognized as an "A" according to the nummeric (T9) scheme.
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Note with 'A' also working fine. Sorry i dont have TomTom or a .NET based application, but applications i have work just fine.
Might there be an issue with my ROM? I can say that I'm a quite experienced WM user and wouldn't bother you with this if it was not proved. OK simply forget it, I'm waiting now for the unbranded Treo 750.
fire00 said:
Might there be an issue with my ROM? I can say that I'm a quite experienced WM user and wouldn't bother you with this if it was not proved. OK simply forget it, I'm waiting now for the unbranded Treo 750.
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No bother at all, im glad to be of any assistance. The snag is that im coming from the UIQ platform so don't have much experience on Smartphone.
Text entry issue...cont'
I have a Blackjack and Smartphonenotes installed. Also having the same problem as Fire - e.g. when I press "B", the program lists all my notes beginning with "T". Anybody with a solution? Thanks.
I have never seen anyone ask this on any of the many posts I have read and I would like to know if their is a registry tweak or some other way to make the X button bigger? It is near impossible for large fingers to hit it and this would make it easier to use without having to get the stylus out.
I would agree with you on that one. Making one-hand use easier.
Hopefully someone has a solution...
It is not a solution but ...
you can use one of the 2 "ok" hardware buttons the phone has.
The one in the left side is the one I use the most, and once you get use to the buttons and the jog wheel, will find they are very helpfull in the one hand operation of the PDA part of the device.
Hope it can help untill someone post or find a way to get what you are looking for...
regards
mablan
mablan said:
you can use one of the 2 "ok" hardware buttons the phone has.
The one in the left side is the one I use the most, and once you get use to the buttons and the jog wheel, will find they are very helpfull in the one hand operation of the PDA part of the device.
Hope it can help untill someone post or find a way to get what you are looking for...
regards
mablan
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Great suggestion!!!
Respect K.I.S.S. rule!
(Keep It Simple and Stupid)
Thanks
I have to admit, I don't remember about using the buttons and should get use to having them and their functions. Thanks for the tip about the two ok buttons.
But ok button don´t close programs, only minimize...
I use SPB Pocket Plus 3.2. You can assign a hardware button acting as a close button.
ezmike said:
I have never seen anyone ask this on any of the many posts I have read and I would like to know if their is a registry tweak or some other way to make the X button bigger? It is near impossible for large fingers to hit it and this would make it easier to use without having to get the stylus out.
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Try this app called 'Magic Button' (freeware) at the link below, you can map it to an application button, it only has a 71kb footprint and therefore it will not use much valuable space on your devices memory. I have not tried it on WM6 but see no reason why it should not work.
http://www.trancreative.com/mb.aspx
boz said:
Try this app called 'Magic Button' (freeware) at the link below, you can map it to an application button, it only has a 71kb footprint and therefore it will not use much valuable space on your devices memory. I have not tried it on WM6 but see no reason why it should not work.
http://www.trancreative.com/mb.aspx
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yes indeed magic button rawks.
Magic Button made the X bigger!
Installed this app and it's great. Currently on WM5 at the moment so can't say if it's WM6 compatable or not until I change back to a 6 rom.
ezmike said:
Installed this app and it's great. Currently on WM5 at the moment so can't say if it's WM6 compatable or not until I change back to a 6 rom.
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Glad it was what you wanted.
ezmike said:
I have never seen anyone ask this on any of the many posts I have read and I would like to know if their is a registry tweak or some other way to make the X button bigger? It is near impossible for large fingers to hit it and this would make it easier to use without having to get the stylus out.
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Agreed. Tapping with my index finger never works, but I AM able to hit the X button if I use my thumb with the fingerprinty side of my thumb facing out and away at an angle of about 45 degrees from 12:00 position.
I just place my finger in that position and then press down; my fingernail hits the X button spot on.
AT&T, in their typical way, pre-loaded the Tilt2 with tons of garbage bloatware. Free RAM is patheticly low, as is the roughly 100MB of storage space....
Is it possible to go about deleting stuff thats pre-installed, or is that going to require flashing a custom ROM?
Are there any ROM's available yet which keep all the critical components but remove all the garbage stuff so a user can choose to reinstall only what he wants via cab?
I sympathize with you on that. I couldn't take not being able to have more than 2 programs open without the task manager killing them. I ended up flashing to the latest NRG rom. The 2 tab opera limit was insane too.
I must say that the frustrations with doing this now include some keyboard functionality lost and the loss of the good ATT software. For instance, I can't download the ATT WiFi Hotspot software because I lost my ATT Media Mall.
Are you by chance able to post your opera proxy settings. I can try and grab the cab once I have these settings and share it with the forum.
Easiest way is to find opera.config or opera.ini and see if the settings are in there and copy to the forum. Also found if you type in opera:config in your address bar and look under proxy.
Got these settings from a FUZE forum post:
[Proxy]
Use Proxy On Local Names Check=1
HTTP Server=wireless.cingular.com
HTTPS server=wireless.cingular.com
Use HTTP=1
Use HTTPS=1
Enable HTTP 1.1 for proxy=1
Seems to have done the trick. I'll upload the ATT Wifi Cab tonight when I'm home.
Yea, I've also gone to the NRG ROM.... SO MUCH faster and so much more free RAM & ROM its insane.
its a real shame ATT loads so much junk on the phone. I know all carriers love to do that, but it just seems like the Tilt2 is particularly polluted with crapware.
Anyhow, now I'm happy...
I sure miss AT&T
Just got my TP2 a few days ago and loaded the NRG Photon rom yesterday... Soo much faster than the AT&T rom... I did forget about the AT&T Wifi software though... There anyway to get that software back? Anyone have the cabs? Just fyi, there's an AT&T Keyboard fix cab out there now, just doesn't map the OK button...
rkub said:
Just got my TP2 a few days ago and loaded the NRG Photon rom yesterday... Soo much faster than the AT&T rom... I did forget about the AT&T Wifi software though... There anyway to get that software back? Anyone have the cabs? Just fyi, there's an AT&T Keyboard fix cab out there now, just doesn't map the OK button...
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had to jump through some hoops to get it downloaded, I attached the cab in this post;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4748989&postcount=6
I have installed it, but haven't actually tried it out yet at a hotspot.
For you folks that installed the NRG rom: Did you find a keyboard .cab for the Tilt2 that is 100%?
The existing keyboard cab fixes 98% of the issue.
The two buttons that dont map correctly are
1) OK button on the keyboard
2) PTT buton (below the volume on the side)
Both can be fixed by using Keyboard Config controller (do a search). I've been able to remap the PPT button, just waiting on someone to explain what to map the OK button to.
So ya, its a 2-step process but it can be 100% correctly functioning with the NRG or any other custom rom
I will be getting Tilt 2 & selling in Dec 1st week
Anyone who Dont want to Pay Full price can buy from me for Cheaper
Cos I will be buying HD 2
If anyone Interested
rajuabju said:
The existing keyboard cab fixes 98% of the issue.
The two buttons that dont map correctly are
1) OK button on the keyboard
2) PTT buton (below the volume on the side)
Both can be fixed by using Keyboard Config controller (do a search). I've been able to remap the PPT button, just waiting on someone to explain what to map the OK button to.
So ya, its a 2-step process but it can be 100% correctly functioning with the NRG or any other custom rom
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I also used Keybaord Config to remap thoses buttons but I remapped ok to ctrl so I could do copy and paste.
areilly said:
had to jump through some hoops to get it downloaded, I attached the cab in this post;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4748989&postcount=6
I have installed it, but haven't actually tried it out yet at a hotspot.
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Thanks for the cab areilly, haven't been able to try it out yet, but will let you know if it works when I do...
ilordvader said:
I will be getting Tilt 2 & selling in Dec 1st week
Anyone who Dont want to Pay Full price can buy from me for Cheaper
Cos I will be buying HD 2
If anyone Interested
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How much cheaper?
rajuabju said:
The existing keyboard cab fixes 98% of the issue.
The two buttons that dont map correctly are
1) OK button on the keyboard
2) PTT buton (below the volume on the side)
Both can be fixed by using Keyboard Config controller (do a search). I've been able to remap the PPT button, just waiting on someone to explain what to map the OK button to.
So ya, its a 2-step process but it can be 100% correctly functioning with the NRG or any other custom rom
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I remember reading somewhere else that people were mapping the OK button to some command like "Go Back" which some felt was the closest approximation to the OK button. As for the PTT button, a lot of people (including myself on the stock ROM) have mapped to the camera.
pinoymutt said:
I remember reading somewhere else that people were mapping the OK button to some command like "Go Back" which some felt was the closest approximation to the OK button. As for the PTT button, a lot of people (including myself on the stock ROM) have mapped to the camera.
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I mapped my PTT to screen rotate.
I'm finding that even with the latest cab, you still have to remap your bottom row function shortcuts. However, the biggest bother is that on the unlock screen and certain other applications, the top row is still read as the default TP2 number row. Perhaps we're still missing some settings.
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I mapped my PTT to screen rotate.
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I did this myself at one point, but then had to do a hard reset. Now I don't have screen rotation as an option in the Settings -> Personal -> Buttons dialog, and I can't remember what I might have done to enable it. Help! (please)
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OK, either I'm blind or I did something, 'cause now the option is there.
i found a solution for the "ok" key..
you map the "ok" key first for anything on the Keyboard control/config program, update config, then uncheck the box and update again...
THEN, download AEB button Plus and install that, press add new key, press the ok key, and map that to "ok/close"... soft reset, and you're good to go, just dont mess with "ok" button on keyboard control program and you're good to go...
i also mapped long press on the "ok" key to open notes,
okay, folks, we're in business. a very kind soul named pyromosh has written software named Crud Scraper - automatic uninstaller. it does all the work for you. here's the link:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=587637
ruxp1n said:
okay, folks, we're in business. a very kind soul named pyromosh has written software named Crud Scraper - automatic uninstaller. it does all the work for you. here's the link:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=587637
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Yes Crud scraper works very good
here is the active link forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=587637
and here is a page of all the Crapware and what it does how big and how to manaully remove it - http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UninstallingTilt2Software
I have tried all three cabs below with zero success! Yes, these cabs remap if that the letters on the hardware keyboard but do nothing for the top row and symbols in blue. I can live without remapping the OK key if thats such a feat but need all other keys at least to be mapped the way they are suppose to be, they way they look on the hardware keyboard. Im sure many other users here will agree with me on this and hopefully others will pitch in as well.
Just looking for a simple cab to install so when i flash a custom rom that i can have FULL use of my hardware keyboard on my att tilt2, no more and no less. I have no knowledge in this stuff or id do it myself rather then provide stickies of a cab that does only half the job!
Since half the keyboard is already remapped, i will start the donation/bounty at $10USD and will add more if this can be done quick. If there's multiple people in on creating this for the community then i will be sure everyone truly involved gets a fair share as well.
Im no techy, just an end user but don't see this task to be complete rocket science.
What the hell !!! The symbols in blue???? Those are controled with the funtion key (FN) on the keyboard.
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What the hell !!! The symbols in blue???? Those are controled with the funtion key (FN) on the keyboard.
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Yes of course they are. Im saying not only to remap the keys in white but also the ones controlled by the FN key, the symbols in blue. I dont believe my description is hard to understand. Simply look at an att tilt2 hardware keyboard, now have it work as it should, thats it! Not asking for anything else, just for all the keys on the hardware keyboard to work as they do when you first turn it on using the stock rom. Need a cab so it will work on custom roms since were not here to run stock roms.
Dont really know how else i can spell it out? Maybe take a picture of the att tilt2 hardware keyboard and post it?
I use the first one you list and all of my Keys work fine on my AT&T Tilt 2.
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I use the first one you list and all of my Keys work fine on my AT&T Tilt 2.
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Are you saying the top row works fine and every blue symbol key in conjuction with the FN key works fine as well? What rom are you running? Makes no sense to me. Making me think i have one bunk device since ive tested this with a fresh flash without installing anything else.
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Yes of course they are. Im saying not only to remap the keys in white but also the ones controlled by the FN key, the symbols in blue. I dont believe my description is hard to understand. Simply look at an att tilt2 hardware keyboard, now have it work as it should, thats it! Not asking for anything else, just for all the keys on the hardware keyboard to work as they do when you first turn it on using the stock rom. Need a cab so it will work on custom roms since were not here to run stock roms.
Dont really know how else i can spell it out? Maybe take a picture of the att tilt2 hardware keyboard and post it?
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I put that second script, install the cab (MortScript) then run the script file. soft reset and your good.
Some applications are weird and they swap the keys back to the original TP2 settings, but its very rare. It seems to work fine for me other than that. OH and when trying to use the hardware keys when dialing for a phone call its not right.. But I don't really use that anyways.
DuMnUt101 said:
I put that second script, install the cab (MortScript) then run the script file. soft reset and your good.
Some applications are weird and they swap the keys back to the original TP2 settings, but its very rare. It seems to work fine for me other than that. OH and when trying to use the hardware keys when dialing for a phone call its not right.. But I don't really use that anyways.
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What rom are u using including build? I used the mort pacakge just as u described after a fresh flash of nrgs latest rom of build 23518 on wm6.5.3 standard sense 2.1 and nothing bro! Only keys that work right for me are the letter keys, comma, period, and question mark. Well FN, shift are also mapped correctly as well. Every key on the top row is numbers 1-0 and the blue symbol keys are all over the place! This is killing me!
No, you dont need to explain. I understood your post and as you can see, i am on a custom rom with the tilt 2 and all my buttons work perfect, except for the OK key. I also use the first cab in your OP. As for dialing, as pointed out by a respose here, have no clue if mine works that way. I use the onscreen dialer.
Something must be wrong with your phone!!!!
Im using NRGZ's Leo Rom the 21885 version from 12/31.... It could be an issue with the 23518 builds. The OK button has never worked but dont really need it. I would try it on a 21885 build and if it doesnt work it sounds like device specific. You also could flash a Stock Rom back on then back to a Custom one sometimes some of the previous system files arent removed correctly I have heard.
I have an att tilt 2 as well, and after flashing any rom other then att my keyboard is all wrong also, mainly the top row, and the Fn keys. Its pretty funny though without a remap, my shift key works as the FN key, and my OK key works as a shift key, which I find funny. But attached is the cab I always have used every time, and every key with the exception of the OK key works, I have tested this 1,000,000 times. If this cab doesnt work (Which I think could be the third cab in your list but not sure), then you have a bad keyboard.
I have used this cab with, the stock EU rom, nrgz roms, valkyrie's roms, Arks roms.
I have remapped my keyboard layout easily by editing the keyboard txt-file....was no big problem....every row is listed in his file, and you can put in whatever letter/symbol you want....
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Sorry for hijacking the thread a little. I've got a dilemma here, I'm about to change my physical keyboard (in fact the whole casing) for the one that has tilt2 layout (or maybe just the casing leaving the old keyboard untouched). How do you Tilt2 guys manage without the "Ctrl" key?!!!
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Sorry for hijacking the thread a little. I've got a dilemma here, I'm about to change my physical keyboard (in fact the whole casing) for the one that has tilt2 layout (or maybe just the casing leaving the old keyboard untouched). How do you Tilt2 guys manage without the "Ctrl" key?!!!
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Most people will think you are crazy, most tilt2 people want the standard tp2 keyboard. but to your question: since the ok button doesnt work, I mapped "OK" using keyboard config to be a CTRL button
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I have remapped my keyboard layout easily by editing the keyboard txt-file....was no big problem....every row is listed in his file, and you can put in whatever letter/symbol you want....
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Is it the ATT keypad.dll? and you just open it with a text editor like notepad or something? I have been searching and it seems like that is what I should be looking for but I just want to make sure. Thanks in advance.
Sorry Deeznuts, but either you aren't explaining it right (which I think you are) or (more likely) there is something wrong. I have a Tilt 2\ATT and the keyboard fix cabs do work in every ROM I have installed. (With the exeption of only about three blue keys like the shortcut to mail or the internet.) There is either something wrong with your device or the ROM that you are using. I suggest you start over with a different ROM to test your keyboard, maybe use a stock ROM to be sure. There is also a prog called Rhodium Keyboard Control (RhodiumKbdControl_GSM.cab) that might be of use. Good luck.
I've been using the Tilt2HWKeyboard.cab and all the symbols and numbers work fine.
OK button does not work, sometimes it launches opera, other times i get error message with something about start.exe
FN+Left arrow (supposed to be calendar) Launches opera
FN+Down arrow (supposed to launch internet browser) does nothing
FN+Right arrow (supposed to turn on wifi) opens up comm manager.
I don't mind that those are off, but would prefer the OK button to work and also PTT button does not work at all.
I'm down to put in $10 as well to get a cab that has the full use of the HW keyboard + PTT button
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I have remapped my keyboard layout easily by editing the keyboard txt-file....was no big problem....every row is listed in his file, and you can put in whatever letter/symbol you want....
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I was looking at that text files, and it appears to be mapped correctly, but the top row is still messed up for me and the blue function keys are not correct either.
Can you post how you modified the text file please?
Mine works fine. I used instructions from a certain thread. I first installed the Tilt2HWKeyboard cab. I then installed a cab called SdkCerts. Then I installed a cab called RhodiumKbdControl_GSM.
$20 for 1 single step install at&t tilt2 keyboard ALL BUTTONS MUST WORK INCLUDING PTT AND OK BUTTON I DONT CARE IF IS A MORT SCRIPT A CAB OR XML
Hes NOT CRAZY lol
I have the same exact issue. ive tried different cabs to no change except . ? , still sont know where the hell at symbol is... I GOT 10 usd for a working cab or a soloution where every key works as should...besides a stock re flash!
What apps are you running bro? Im running the apr8 nrg rom too. idk! dont make sense to me. but even when i ran stock rom keys would switch to this configuratio noccasionally in txt msging!
i would close all the way out of txt and open it back up and keys back to normal. Im seriously about burned out on hunting fixes for these damned phones, stock and otherwise. Ive owned every HTC w a slide keyboard that att offered since 8125 (wizard)
and played hunt and fix on every single one. seriously, what other product would u pay 400 plus dollars for and then spennd countless hours searching for fixes just to make it work properly
Hi.
I have a norwegian touch pro 2, which means my keyboard is a bit "strange"and have theese weird æøå buttons. I don't need those to work, but my Fn key, neither my ctrl key (which is placed where your Fn key is placed at the lower left) will not give me access to any Fn function keys like / ! () etc. Is this a know issue? Is there a way for me to fix this?
Ps. Thanks a lot for porting Android to TP2. Except for this and GPS all my needs are satisfied, and Android is so much better to use than WM6.5. So thanks a bunch guys, going to make a small contribution as soon as I get my first paycheck next month
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Except for this and GPS
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Whats wrong with your GPS?