Please excuse..I am very impressed by the massive amount of knowledge available here, but I was unfortunately not able to figure out the simple picture ( not your fault----my fault.)
Is there more or less a consensus, on which ROM is the best and why?
criteria could be: max RAM left, stability, speed? are there major differences or are you more talking details and preferences?
I have the MDA Pro (got it for 3 months testing for free from t-mobile). I have to reset not far from 10times a day. I start out with a maximum of 15 Megs of RAM after each reset, and they are reduced to 10, 8, 6 nothing...very soon..after opening and shutting a few apps. e.g. I have 10 available, open PIE, and there you go, only 2 left....how can one live with this? Is my device behaving very differently from what you are used to?
also: would a RAM upgrade not be interesting? do 64 more MB really consume that much more energy? ( I am online with UMTS all the time, which drains the battery anyway, but i would guess in comparison the additional RAM consumes much less than that, no? so if i can run say 3 hours with umts on and 64megs it will run 2h45 with UMTS and 128 MB...what do you think?)
Please be so kind to reply..I tried to investigate the answers myself, but I really was not able to get the picure..I like the device and plan to get one for my vodafone card (is the VPA 4 ROM good?) but it is partially a real nightmare....
cheers,
Andy
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hi, i just wanted to say that my findings after yesting wm5.0 this week that after using my device the same way i used it on wm2003se, that at 12.00pm my battery is usually on about 20% , using wm5 i now have 65% left doing the same thing. i do have backlite on low, and im not sure if it has anything to do with patches, but its better than wm2003se, an its only a beta copy. lol.
anyone else having bettery battery life using wm5.0?
p.s, i am still waiting for someone to explain the difference between rom and ram that wm5.0 uses.
I am seeing better battery life, but nothing I can put a number too.
Also, GPRS works everytime. No resets required.
If only bluetooth worked right!
even by Bluetooth works perfect, i havent got bt headset, so havent tried, but i dont need one so even if it didnt work, i wouldnt care, lol.
if u have that mamiach patch, for backlight and stuff, u will see the old icon for battery and at gives u the % of battery. and today plugins for battery meters also work, i have tried a few, and they seem to work.
but i use o2 plus, and that runs perfect, hell, i might even be Brave enough to try o2 active, lol, i can always reflash if it fooks up!
WM5 RAM and ROM... (for joey jojo)
The difference between RAM and ROM (for any computer) is that the ROM (Read Only Memory) must be flashed to change state. This means that data stored/flashed to the ROM is persistent and is not affected by a loss of power. It can only be altered by a flash operation, but can be read at any time. RAM (Random Access Memory) can be written, read, stored only with power applied. This means that RAM is cleared whenever power is lost.
What this means in terms of WM5 is that your personal data and programs are written (flashed) to ROM, which is not affected by battery (or backup battery) failure. Since this information does not require any changes to be used (a program is loaded into RAM when it is run, so it occupies ROM until called by the user), it is not necessary for it to occupy RAM space for storage. This means that RAM is used to run the OS and programs, not to store your PIM data or programs.
This explanation is in layman's terms and is not applicable to all operating systems, but does describe in general terms how RAM/ROM work in PDA's.
Hope this offers some insight into memory function...
Mick...
Mine installed like a dream and seemed to last about the same but now its bein cained big time bcause iv overclocked it to make it run smoothly. just ordered a better battery
And battery life matters a lot less now! I can run it to the ground without fear of loosing any data!
In addition to what mwheeler2 said, under 2003SE there was what was known as the 72 hour rule, meaning that manufacturers were obliged to make sure that even when the battery reads 0% and the device shuts off there is still enough power to keep the ram contents stored for a period of 72 hours, so in other words a large proportion of the battery capacity was used just to store the data in RAM, although dont ask me if that includes the backup battery as well!
But don't just take my word for it, read for yourself:
http://buzzdev.net/index.php?option=com_newsfeeds&task=view&feedid=12&Itemid=64
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Mine installed like a dream and seemed to last about the same but now its bein cained big time bcause iv overclocked it to make it run smoothly. just ordered a better battery
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Can you tell me how you overclocked it? or refer me to the right post?
i dont seem to have any different battery life with my 1490 mAh. But I just put an order in for a 2400 mAh, can't wait to see how this baby runs
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Can you tell me how you overclocked it? or refer me to the right post?
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@Dilipc: might be what you're looking for: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27976
Hi, I have an old Axim X50V that i don't know what do with. My mom was using it for Skype and its been working ok but now that we have a dedicated skype phone and i have Touch Pro I don't know what to do with it.
I had it upgraded to WM 6.0 but the performance was really poor due to some kind of slow ram problem. I don't want to give the unit away and was planning on using it as a dedicated PMP with its huge vga 3.7 screen and the possiblilty of 32GB with it's two flash slots but even that wasnt working to well. i was trying videos but sometimes it would slow down to a crawl and suddenly be back to normal again. i was using it for opera in bed but even that wa impossible at times.
I would downgrade it to WM2003SE but i would lose alot of the newer software that only works with WM5 and above. and the annoying problem of losing all data when the unit was drained of battery.
I read a long time ago about upping the ram to 128mb using somekind of faster bga memory or something like that so i searched and found the cheapest place was expansys-usa which charges $117 to do the upgrade.
Is this something that i can do myself? Im pretty ok with the soldering iron and magnifer or is it really small and requires professional work?
also would this change in ram still cause the same problems with the slowdowns or would it completely solve the problem?
or should i look elsewhere for a better dedicated pmp? like $199 for a hx4700
any chance of getting abdroid working on this thing?
hmm perhaps i might have misunderstood the problem maybe it was the rom and not the ram that is slow
i heard somewhat suggest that some kind of ramdisk method helped the problem can anyone explain this to me?
dont sound like an ram issue
you have to understand that if it came with wm2003
it used ram for storage and one could adjust it
but with wm5 flash was used for storage and flash being much much slower
then ram
pagepool was interduced as cache it was a part of the ram used for that spc purpos
so imho i would look into changing the pagepool size as adding more ram will
not fix the issue of pagepool being absent or too small
Am the guinea pig in the office as the only one with TP2 and have been comparing phones. On opening and closing applications the phone does take much longer than the iphone and also on browsing (20+ secs to load a page with four bars not wifi). Anyone else experienced this?
Have undertaken a hard reset which has improved speed slightly. In memory have about 53% in use but no programmes running (storage has 40mb in use and 251 free and 7GB available on micro sd).
Is this speed normal or is there something I can do to speed it up?
Thanks
There are so many reviews of this device, there's no need to ask this.
If you compare it to the fruitphone, you will probably get flamed around these parts...
If you read reviews or have used other Windows Mobile devices before, you will notice that the TP2 is faster than most other Windows Mobile devices.
Pocketnow did a browser comparison which may be useful to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yau110KWf0
Personal tip: disable plugins and javascript in Opera. At least for me, this doesn't affect my browsing experience negatively. In fact, the pages load significantly faster and I don't have to deal with flash based ads.
according to speed booster my pro2 is slower than my universal.
huh?
Hey everyone, brought an iPhone 3G about 6 months ago off ebay thinking it was an amazing phone and in some respects it is, but the horrible internal specs have got to me and now reaching the end of my contract I am looking at the HTC Desire.
I have read that battery life can be bad but I am use to that with my 3G, not even a full charge can last me a full day where I am no where near a point i can charge my phone and when I am round friends I charge it overnight, so am use to the bad battery life, but is it better or worse than the 3G's
My biggest concern is also slow down, on paper the Desire should not face much slow down due to the high processor speed and high amounts of RAM but has anybody faced slow downs with the device and if so when and where e.g running 2,000 apps simultaneously or having the device on for days on end.
This last question may not be answerable but I'll give it a go. Mobile devices have lasted about 12 months maximum, due to my current financial problems I am looking at the T-Mobile £15 P/M contract which suits me perfectly but am not sure whether to go 18 or 24 month, is there anybody like me that cannot hold onto 1 phone longer than 12 months and how do you feel with the Desire, I know bigger and better phones will come out, but do you feel like you could last 2 years with this device?
Thanks in advance
Naughty_Ottsel
This last question may not be answerable but I'll give it a go. Mobile devices have lasted about 12 months maximum, due to my current financial problems I am looking at the T-Mobile £15 P/M contract which suits me perfectly but am not sure whether to go 18 or 24 month, is there anybody like me that cannot hold onto 1 phone longer than 12 months and how do you feel with the Desire, I know bigger and better phones will come out, but do you feel like you could last 2 years with this device?
Thanks in advance
Naughty_Ottsel
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I'm the same as you but if any phone is gonna last me 2 years this will be it
Naughty_Ottsel said:
Hey everyone, brought an iPhone 3G about 6 months ago off ebay thinking it was an amazing phone and in some respects it is, but the horrible internal specs have got to me and now reaching the end of my contract I am looking at the HTC Desire.
I have read that battery life can be bad but I am use to that with my 3G, not even a full charge can last me a full day where I am no where near a point i can charge my phone and when I am round friends I charge it overnight, so am use to the bad battery life, but is it better or worse than the 3G's
My biggest concern is also slow down, on paper the Desire should not face much slow down due to the high processor speed and high amounts of RAM but has anybody faced slow downs with the device and if so when and where e.g running 2,000 apps simultaneously or having the device on for days on end.
This last question may not be answerable but I'll give it a go. Mobile devices have lasted about 12 months maximum, due to my current financial problems I am looking at the T-Mobile £15 P/M contract which suits me perfectly but am not sure whether to go 18 or 24 month, is there anybody like me that cannot hold onto 1 phone longer than 12 months and how do you feel with the Desire, I know bigger and better phones will come out, but do you feel like you could last 2 years with this device?
Thanks in advance
Naughty_Ottsel
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2 Years this phone will still be top-range. Phone hardware is getting to that point where the hardware isnt the deciding factor no more, the speed of the 1Ghz snapdragon can already do 90% of the things you ever wanted to do with your phone, HD recording...HD Playback, quick smooth transitions (what am i missing?), with a good enough battery life. the speed of the 1ghz snapdragon is VERY fast so much that the new snapdragon that is proposed to be released 1.3Ghz single core and 1.5Ghz Dual Core (most likely a netbook CPU) just seem like overkill for phone uses.
So if in 12 months time HTC release ... HTC Unbelievable with a 3.8inch AMOLED Screen and 500mb RAM/ROM with a 1.3Ghz Snapdragon......I will feel no envy
And as you know, if its software thats the deciding factor...then seeing as you know about xda-devs.com your almost certainly gonna be on the latest updates. Heck i had my G1 since launch and it never felt a day old next to the Hero...I even had friends a HTC Hero looking at my G1 with a HTC Legend Rom..lol
Note: I will never get a 2 year contract personally tho lol
Naughty_Ottsel said:
I have read that battery life can be bad but I am use to that with my 3G, not even a full charge can last me a full day where I am no where near a point i can charge my phone and when I am round friends I charge it overnight, so am use to the bad battery life, but is it better or worse than the 3G's
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The Desire's battery life will be more superior compared to the iphone 3GS, the Desire uses a 1400 mAH battery capacity, while the 3GS only has a 1219 mAH battery. Another advantage that the Desire has it that you can buy another battery and replace it.
My biggest concern is also slow down, on paper the Desire should not face much slow down due to the high processor speed and high amounts of RAM but has anybody faced slow downs with the device and if so when and where e.g running 2,000 apps simultaneously or having the device on for days on end.
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One thing you need to note, which is the same as all unrooted android phones, is that currently you can't store apps on the memory card. It's something google apparently are looking to address. This is something that could potentially slow down your device. The Desire can also perform multi-tasking, something that the 3GS cannot do, but its in the pipeline for the new iphone 4G.
This last question may not be answerable but I'll give it a go. Mobile devices have lasted about 12 months maximum, due to my current financial problems I am looking at the T-Mobile £15 P/M contract which suits me perfectly but am not sure whether to go 18 or 24 month, is there anybody like me that cannot hold onto 1 phone longer than 12 months and how do you feel with the Desire, I know bigger and better phones will come out, but do you feel like you could last 2 years with this device?
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Hard to say at the moment until it can be rooted to unlock its full potential. Once it is rooted, many enhancements can be made and many of its current problems will hopefully be resolved.
Taken from another thread:
"Paul Apr 4 2010, 22:21
A quick update - I will have extremely limited Internet access for the next 2 weeks, so there won't be any further progress from me on rooting the Desire until I am fully back online on the 20th April.
The current Desire root status is that I DO have root access in a method that I believe can be replicated on other devices (I have a retail T-Mo device and i've had no issues), however HTC have implemented some rather sneaky protection methods that prevent writing of data to key partitions (boot, recovery, system etc.) which prevent us from enabling custom ROMs etc.
Aside from hoping an engineering SPL (and a way to flash it!) emerges, I do have a number of approaches I plan to try that I hope will unlock the last piece of the Desire puzzle, so don't give up hope just yet... progress IS being made.
P"
I was watching a video review of the LG G3 by The Nerd Herd, and the guy said, and even showed that the LG's skin constantly used over 2 gigs of RAM all the time. Here's the link with timecode, so you can see the part where he talks about it: YouTube.
I want to buy the phone, but 2GB version is my only option and I'm a little bit worried after seeing this. Is this version noticeably slower than the 3GB version? How bad is it?
I also wanna mention that I will install a custom software for sure, probably the CloudyG3, or Cyanogenmod, or something close to stock Android, so I won't stick with LG's firmware.
It really isn't bad at all, I have had this phone since Kitkat and at maximum the RAM will go as up as 80% percent. It never passes it and it usually is at 56% percent with a GB free for use of the 1.8 it shows. I love this phone and actually the only problem I have is the fact that it overheats and it scares the hell of me but it never throttles or anything
In this moment, and for current android versions, 2GB is more than enough. I've read an article about tests with both G3 versions, and 3GB version was 5% or so faster, unnoticeable in real life usage. Before I bought my phone, I had same dilemma, so I've investigated a lot and asked oppinions from some professionals, and I am convinced that 3GB is not needed in this moment ;
I can't tell you exactly how much RAM I'm using, but it's really not going to be that much. If I've got a lot of stuff open and I'm constantly doing things, sure I'll get the odd slow down, but it runs smoother than a baby's bottom, and that's coming from someone who is incredibly picky with their system (My old S3 had over 200 custom flashes... oops).