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The Vogue has the same hardware inside than the TyTN2/Kaiser.
Can we imagine flash the Radio ROM from the Kaiser to the Vogue and get access to the wifi and the GPS options ?
or have an own cooked ROM to open the access to this ?
Any idea on this ?
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uhm ... you have right! chipset have the ability ... i have get yestersday my new working handy! i will try some cross mixes with the kaiser rom.
I am also very interested by the outcome of this tweak.
Cheers from Brussels!
The TyTN II/Kaiser is GSM, the HTC Vogue is the CMDA Touch... So the radio will not probably work...
Leon_Citron said:
The Vogue has the same hardware inside than the TyTN2/Kaiser.
Can we imagine flash the Radio ROM from the Kaiser to the Vogue and get access to the wifi and the GPS options ?
or have an own cooked ROM to open the access to this ?
Any idea on this ?
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The Vogue does NOT have the same hardware as the Kaiser. If you flash the Kaiser rom on your Vogue, you are likely to brick it.
The vogue has a Qualcomm MSM7500 chipset, where as the Kaiser has Qualcomm MSM7200 chipset. Very similar, but not the same.
Either way, I am very confident that the Vogue has GPS capiblities that may or may not be unlocked in a future rom update (possibly at the same time as a EV-DO Rev A. update comes out, but that is hearsay). I say this because the MSM7500 chipset has a GPSone unit built in. It is capable of running as an aGPS chip or a standalone GPS, if the rom allows it to, like the Kaiser's does. This chip is included due to FCC regulations for E911 service.
WiFi is another question. The MSM7500 chip does not have a wifi radio built in, but it does support one on the SDIO bus. I can't see why they would go through the trouble of adding a WiFi radio, only disable it. I suppose it is possible, but until someone gets some good pictures of the guts of the Vogue or comes out with a ROM or hack that enables WiFi, I am not inclined to believe that there is a WiFi radio on the unit.
spectec makes a wifi card, only prob is, it probably has a terrible range!
Regardless if it has terrible range or not, it would be nice if the company will get off its butt and sell that card. They have been promising about it for months and still nothing.
TS
Sorry all guys, I'm not tallking about the Vogue but about the "Touc Dual"....
Will repost in the good category...
Isn't it stated in the HTC website (http://www.asia.htc.com/Asia/SEA/products/pda_Touch_Dual/pda_Touch_Dual.html) that the chipset is Qualcomm® MSM 7200, 400MHz ???
waiting for the HTC Nike forum then...
but I am still interested whether the vogue may be enabled with GPS/Wifi as well
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Isn't it stated in the HTC website (http://www.asia.htc.com/Asia/SEA/products/pda_Touch_Dual/pda_Touch_Dual.html) that the chipset is Qualcomm® MSM 7200, 400MHz ???
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The Touch Dual is a MSM7200 chip set. But it is a GSM phone and has more in common with the Kaiser than it does with the Vogue
we will have to wait n see
Well fellows I have good news and bad news. Good news is I work for a corporate RadioShack that sells the Touch(Vogue) and am able to play with brand new, out of the box Touch's. I can find out for sure if the newer versions(which I know for a fact are EV-DO Rev A capable), are also equipped with WIFI. The bad news is that my store has been sold of them since we got them in and they have been selling out before we get any in stock leaving us with a backorder. As soon as the hype slows down and I get a chance to actually get my hands on one(I plan on buying one soon and getting rid of my Mogul very soon) and play with it I will get online and let you guys know.
When I buy my Touch, it will already be the new EV-DO Rev A model and if it is capable of WIFI, I will release a dump of the ROM for you guys to disect but until then thats the best I can do.
UPDATES will follow.
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Well fellows I have good news and bad news. Good news is I work for a corporate RadioShack that sells the Touch(Vogue) and am able to play with brand new, out of the box Touch's. I can find out for sure if the newer versions(which I know for a fact are EV-DO Rev A capable), are also equipped with WIFI. The bad news is that my store has been sold of them since we got them in and they have been selling out before we get any in stock leaving us with a backorder. As soon as the hype slows down and I get a chance to actually get my hands on one(I plan on buying one soon and getting rid of my Mogul very soon) and play with it I will get online and let you guys know.
When I buy my Touch, it will already be the new EV-DO Rev A model and if it is capable of WIFI, I will release a dump of the ROM for you guys to disect but until then thats the best I can do.
UPDATES will follow.
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That sounds good ...this topic is just getting better and better everyday
- dharvey, we're holding our breath here for some updates on your side..
reasons to keep on hoping ....
Hey guys and gals,
I posted some finding worth your opinion at a different post..... I'm just avoiding a cross-post... here's the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1736538&postcount=94
mbote said:
That sounds good ...this topic is just getting better and better everyday
- dharvey, we're holding our breath here for some updates on your side..
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It's my pleasure. Think of it as my way of giving back to the community. It might be a little while though because like I said, we're constantly sold out. As soon as I can get some solid information for you guys and as soon as I buy my own, I will post a link to a ROM dump as a base for building custom ROMs but again, this might take a little time so please be patient with me.
Good luck waiting. The Rev A/A-GPS update for SPRINT Touch won't be available until Q1/Q2 2008 and won't just be available for new devices sold through Sprint. It'll be posted on HTC's support website, thus a rom dump or whatever you're talking about isn't required--people can get the rom update themselves.
--James
Isn't Q1/Q2 2008 soon coming ......If I'm not mistaken we're currently in Q4 2007..... unless their FY doesn't match CY...... please confirm!
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Good luck waiting. The Rev A/A-GPS update for SPRINT Touch won't be available until Q1/Q2 2008 and won't just be available for new devices sold through Sprint. It'll be posted on HTC's support website, thus a rom dump or whatever you're talking about isn't required--people can get the rom update themselves.
--James
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Yes they can but if I can get the dump out before that, it'll help in the mean time. And as for the EV-DO Rev A capabilities, they ARE available on the new Moguls and Touchs available through Sprint. I'm not talking about one that might have been purchased through Sprint a few months ago, I am talking about the ones we have IN OUR STORE. Why do you think I would lie about this? Did you not read my other post? Or even my signature? I am a an employee at a Corporate RadioShack and am also a Representative of Sprint. As for information I cannot obtain in-store, I can call MY Sprint Rep, Julie, and get whatever information I need. The only reason I haven't yet is because she is always busy and rarely answers her phone.
Stay positive, I'm gonna do what I can whether you care or not. This is for the others that actually DO care.
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Alright. Here is my first update as I promised. We finally got a Touch in at our store and I was able to sit down and play with it as I was selling it to a customer and I can CONFIRM that IT DOES have EV-DO Rev A capabilities but WIFI is NOT present.
After noticing this, I called my Sprint Rep Julie and asked her why, if she knew, would the Touch be left without WIFI and she said it had something to do with sales but she didn't have a lot of information. After this I contacted a close friend of mine who is an executive at the Sprint Kansas City Division Office(he will be left un-named) and asked him the same question: Will there be a ROM update for the Touch that would enable WIFI and if not, why would the Touch be left without WIFI? I told him that I knew that the chipset has WIFI capabilities but there is no USABLE WIFI on the device whatsoever. He then told me that during the later development stages of the Touch, it was decided that the internal GPS/WIFI antenna would be removed.
Having confirmed that there was in fact no internal GPS/WIFI internal antenna for the Touch and that WIFI would never be supported on the Touch, I then asked him WHY Sprint would do this to the most sophisticated Windows Mobile Touch Screen Phone ever made(aside from Apple's monstrosity). His response was simple: "We had the GPS/WIFI antenna removed to get customers to pay the extra money for the EV-DO Rev A wireless internet. Without WIFI, if customers wanted to use the internet features on their phone, they would be forced to pay the extra money for the data package or face an extremely high phone bill. Win Win situation for us."
I was shocked to hear this. Every other Windows Mobile based touch screen phone made by HTC has had WIFI and or GPS capabilities. It's rather disappointing to hear this coming from a Sprint Executive but at the same time, can you honestly blame the nations largest wireless cell phone provider with the worst customer service for doing something like this? It's almost expected in my opinion.
Update complete. Sorry for the bad news folks.
Hi all, I just got my vogue last week and have been fiddling with it ever since. I didn't like the fact that it didn't have WiFi. I heard that Spectec was working on a Micro SD WiFi but no one seemed to know were to buy it. I thought I would make it easier to find this information. Forgive me if this is already posted. I'm going to play test dummy and buy one of these soon. Pictures will come soon if all goes well!
Link to Micro SD WiFi Card
how do you plan on fitting your back cover on after that is inserted?
I will probably have to cut the side a little. I'm not sure yet. Ill know when it arrives what must be done.
Do you have a data plan? If so, then why not buy a phone with wifi?
WiFi would usually give faster connections if one was available. Also Why not? It seems like a fun thought.
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I will probably have to cut the side a little. I'm not sure yet. Ill know when it arrives what must be done.
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Yeah, you can always do something about that...
but what about storage space?
I don't think you need to cut the side. you can leave that side flap open and still have the back cover on. Although depending on how far that flap sticks out, I think solution would be prone to snapping it. you'd have to cacoon it somehow.
WiFi on the phone is pointless if you have a data plan. The newer models HTC Diamond and TouchPro have WiFi. But also think about the battery drain you would have when using WiFi.
True, I could just upgrade, or use my data plan for everything, but something about having wifi seems fun. If for anything, just to have it.
NFSFAN said:
WiFi on the phone is pointless if you have a data plan. The newer models HTC Diamond and TouchPro have WiFi. But also think about the battery drain you would have when using WiFi.
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Even with a data plan, it's not pointless if you travel out of country and want to use your Vogue.
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Even with a data plan, it's not pointless if you travel out of country and want to use your Vogue.
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Second that. It is necessary for travelling out of country - can then use for browsing, VOIP calling, etc.
I had been in contact with SpecTec for several months now and their Vogue "tester" was unable to get the SDW-823 to work with the Vogue. I said let me have on let me give it a shot to see if I can get it working and they shipped one to me which arrived today.
I've been playing with it and have gotten it installed (drivers, etc) and it phone picks it up however it can't find any wifi networks. I'm standing about 15' away from an access point which my laptop is connected to.
I've got some more playing to do and am going to try some 3rd party apps but I'm not really sure why it can't pick up any networks at this point.
I'll post a couple pictures here after while and let you see how much it stick out the side of the phone.
sticks out a little bit...
Nice, I haven't been able to buy mine yet, but soon I will.
I need help please. It's not my service! (TMobile) It's my TP2. The signal is w-e-a-k! I drop calls all the time in my house now. I never used to do that with my s710.
Please, someone...is there something I can change in my settings? can i download something? I need to make this signal stronger. I did not pay all this $$ to have all these dropped calls. Can I change the "radio" or something? I think I read something about that, but I am such a noob. Please, someone guide me!
Thanks
Not sure if this will help as I am in UK.
I have just switched provider and discovered I don't get signal at home so went to Settings, Communications, Phone, Advanced, Band and changed network type from Auto to Gsm.
Don't need the 3G, data connection or whatever as have pc at home and get reasonable signal with phone forced to gsm.
I appreciate the reply, but that will not work for me. I use the data connection daily.
Any other possibilities people? Please. I am so desperate.
Does anyone have a solution ? Would a hard reset help? I don't want to start from scratch.
have you tried switching back from 3G to 2G? because if you get a constant 2G signal then it pretty much sums up that 3G signal is weak in your area.
Thanks. I don't even have 3g in my area right now. So that factor is out of the picture.
Will unfortunately have to wait for HARDSPL and new radio stacks.
There are signal boosters that you can buy off the net, no idea how efficent they are though.
Cheers,
Beasty
lol, Beast, thats exactly what I was going to say, a new radio helps in many cases. At least it did when I had my Dash.
On other news, looks like T-Mo let us down again, at least US buyers. No details were posted on their site concerning the TP2, as I posted earlier that was supposed to happen today. At least not yet. Oh well, only 4 days 'til Wednesday!!!!!!
edit: And @ Beast, or anyone who knows. Does the TP2 have an external antenna port? I use a signal booster, but used to have the external antenna adapter plugged in to my Dash. My next door neighbor is getting the TP2 also but doesn't want to ditch out the $200-$300 for a signal booster. I am going to give him my old setup if the TP2 has an external antenna port.
Thanks for the replies guys. I will wait for the HARDSPL. I will also be asking someone to hold my hand at that time b/c I have never done that process before. I am new to all of this flashing this and that stuff, but willing to learn.
how in the world are all you people getting the Tp2 so early? i assume it is not from T-mobile.
Got mine through Mobile Phones Direct It's available from a number of sources, in fact, including - gasp shock horror - Amazon (link!)
I am having reception problems too. I have a TP2 and a mytouch mytouch gets 3 bars tp2 gets 1 and goes in and out of 3g.
Select tmobile employees got the tp2 about 5 weeks ago ...roughly 5 in each market
so this could be the start of many people's reception problems...i wonder what will be done about it on the HTC end? Tmobile end? SHould be interesting.
RogerStenning said:
Got mine through Mobile Phones Direct It's available from a number of sources, in fact, including - gasp shock horror - Amazon (link!)
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the USA T-mobile Touch pro2?
Ah, no, not that one, sorry, didn't cotton on to your being in the USA - sorry
As to radio reception, anyone else got GPS receive problems at the moment? I've compared reception between the TP2 and my old iPAQ hw6915, and for the first fortnight, the TP2 outperformed the 6915: Now its the other way around - massively - the TP2 cannot seem to hold a lock on GPS, rendering the entire system useless.
Any ideas?
GPS Hotfix
HTC have recently issued a Hotfix for the GPS on the TP2.
Head over to the HTC support site. May fix your problems.
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how in the world are all you people getting the Tp2 so early? i assume it is not from T-mobile.
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They probably have the UK version, or Telus version, or....etc. I know the UK version will not work in the states. Well, nix that, it will work, but will not get T-Mob's 3G when and if we see 3G. (At least in my area, lol) You can only get the 2G.
On a side note, has anyone seen the T-Mobile version. I think it is ugly compared to the UK version. Da** T-Mobile, always changing things.
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Thanks for the replies guys. I will wait for the HARDSPL. I will also be asking someone to hold my hand at that time b/c I have never done that process before. I am new to all of this flashing this and that stuff, but willing to learn.
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Ah, it is not so techy. Tecky? hmm, got to think on the word there. I guess what I am trying to say is it is not a very complicated process. I was very apprehensive to flash my first ROM, but the first went so well, I don't think I could have asked for more. Just follow the guides and it should go smoothly. I flashed many ROM's on my (now gone) Dash. Let me put it in perspective though. I now own (sad to say) a BlackBerry, and with that you have to go through many complicated steps. However, I am getting the TP2, and that is one of the reasons. Flashing ROM's on the HTC device is a lot easier. After the first you will become Old Hand at it.
You should wait for the HardSPL, though, I think that is why mine went so smooth the first time. These guys are geniuses. They will have a solution before long. Listen to them and keep updated. They are willing to help, which is more than I can say for Crackberry dot com. Ooops sorry for the reference there. But you get flamed there for knowing a whole lot of nothing. Here, however, they might flame you, but lead you in the right direction.
Good luck and welcome to the Rhodium/Touch Pro2
k, thanks folks
cabranscom said:
Thanks. I don't even have 3g in my area right now. So that factor is out of the picture.
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Errr, now I don't understand the original signal problem. If there are no 3G coverage then IMHO you'd better switch to 2G (GSM only). It will spare your battery too, I think
skyline247 said:
Does the TP2 have an external antenna port? I use a signal booster, but used to have the external antenna adapter plugged in to my Dash. My next door neighbor is getting the TP2 also but doesn't want to ditch out the $200-$300 for a signal booster. I am going to give him my old setup if the TP2 has an external antenna port.
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No, it doesn't
I see alot of people talking of GPS on this phone, I see that GPS is not listed on T-Mo site for TP2.
Does this phone have Internal GPS ABLE or do I have to link an External GPS device?
it's internal
Yes it does have GPS. Been using that feature on all my GPS type apps. Loving it!
I had the same concern before I bought mine. None of their advertising had anything about GPS. I thought they disabled it because it didn't seem logical not to advertise it.
T-Mobile just wants to push the MT3G Android phone, so they're totally ignoring the TP2. It's just crazy? The TP2 is a way better phone - Surprize! I'm using TomTom Nav 7 with mine and it's just beautiful!
Thank you, I am now sold!
Now that I know it has GPS I am Ordering soon.
BTW, Found that I can buy this for 149.99 Through the same promo as the Wing had Prev. (Windows Mobile) on the Corporate phone number!
Is any one brave enough to perform this mode on their new SGN II?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32593285#post32593285
I believe the little metal shield near the microSD slot is Sprint SIM-chip - it in the same spot as SIM slot on other versions of SGN II and it looks similar to the one in the above Motorola phone.
There is a dual SIM adaptor for this phone here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952770
so theoretically it could be used to split the connection with Sprint SIM-chip and another real full size SIM
I would love to see the same thing. I was thinking about moving to the Galaxy Note 2 until I read about the embedded SIM. I hope Sprint backs away from this trend or at least someone can hack the Note to allow for SIM switching.
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I would love to see the same thing. I was thinking about moving to the Galaxy Note 2 until I read about the embedded SIM. I hope Sprint backs away from this trend or at least someone can hack the Note to allow for SIM switching.
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If someone can show the pcb board I will start to see if the sim slot can be modded back on to the phone but its looking like i have to wait to get my own to see if i can mod it
internals taken with an S3 and shared via s-beam :good:
http://imageshack.us/a/img254/186/20121030103739.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img12/5797/20121030103720.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img685/9834/20121030103733.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img259/1346/20121030103716.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img141/9830/20121030103704.jpg
Some are slightly blurry but hope this helps, btw this thing comes apart just like the S2
Nice photos, can you make a video to show exactly where the sim card is and how it's embedded? Is it soldered or is it just built into the pcb board?
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Nice photos, can you make a video to show exactly where the sim card is and how it's embedded? Is it soldered or is it just built into the pcb board?
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You will not see a real SIM card if that is what you expect yo see - It's an ASIC microchip.
the "SIM-chip" is clearly visible one of the posted pictures:
http://imageshack.us/a/img259/1346/20121030103716.jpg
It is right next to the white letters SPH-L900
And as you can see it is almost the same as in Motorola Photon phone in the original thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32593285#post32593285
First picture on the right (also has 880120000 on top) - just a different version
That original thread has couple videos with removal procedure, it would be exactly the same here.
Darkendvoid88, Thank you for posting pictures!!!!!
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Very daunting but at least I know it's theoretically possible. If only this was more practical!
It appears that you'd have to have the phone taken apart just to use the foreign sim card, which is impractical. Maybe it could be stuffed below or above the battery, of course assuming the little wires could fit through some crevice or crack somewhere in the back. Otherwise, this type of hack basically just makes it possible to find your favorite foreign sim card, stick it in and close the device back up.
When I traveled around Germany and the UK this summer, it was super convenient to just switch to the new sim when I needed but I don't see that this will be possible even with this type of hack. Damn!
The op just has it set up like that because the photon is sealed and has a "non removeable" back. There is little to no room for the sim reader. An extended battery back might make this easier for us. Also if anyone has ever taken apart an S2 there is a clip next to the battery terminals. Ours is the same dissassembly process and that clip could be broken off to allow for easy wire routing.
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Not too be noob-ish, but this is possible, right? Because if not I just wasted $300 :/
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The op just has it set up like that because the photon is sealed and has a "non removeable" back. There is little to no room for the sim reader. An extended battery back might make this easier for us. Also if anyone has ever taken apart an S2 there is a clip next to the battery terminals. Ours is the same dissassembly process and that clip could be broken off to allow for easy wire routing.
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looks like the sim reader would go right in same place as the GSM sim version either trim the sprint case to model it the same as the GSM sim version or buy a GSM sim replacement case.
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looks like the sim reader would go right in same place as the GSM sim version either trim the sprint case to model it the same as the GSM sim version or buy a GSM sim replacement case.
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You can't simply replace the chip with SIM card slot. You will lose Sprint LTE. To make it right you's need to solder a dual SIM adapter instead of the chip, then solder chip back in to micro SIM slot of the adapter and use the regular SIM slot for other SIM you might want to use. The software that comes with an adaptor will help you switch between chip and the SIM
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looks like the sim reader would go right in same place as the GSM sim version either trim the sprint case to model it the same as the GSM sim version or buy a GSM sim replacement case.
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No u are exactly correct that chip controls sprint lte access but the good news is a secondary sim slot can be placed directly over it without much case modification you just have to wire it up and remove the metal block from the pcb cover Case also wireless charging is definitely in play due to the pcb is wired for it a lot of hardware modification promise
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leond said:
You can't simply replace the chip with SIM card slot. You will lose Sprint LTE. To make it right you's need to solder a dual SIM adapter instead of the chip, then solder chip back in to micro SIM slot of the adapter and use the regular SIM slot for other SIM you might want to use. The software that comes with an adaptor will help you switch between chip and the SIM
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I am not a fan of the Iphone, but my wife has the 4s and I was able to call sprint to have them unlock the phone so we can use it overseas with another sim card. With that being said is the Iphone the only phone that has the slot to easily take out the card and replace it with another card if traveling overseas?
I wonder if the pcb boards or internals used in the Verizon version could be swapped out for Sprint? It would be pretty interesting if a Verizon version of this phone just required a transplant of the LTE sim chip.
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I am not a fan of the Iphone, but my wife has the 4s and I was able to call sprint to have them unlock the phone so we can use it overseas with another sim card. With that being said is the Iphone the only phone that has the slot to easily take out the card and replace it with another card if traveling overseas?
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Well, the GNII doesn't have that ability :/
The original Photon has a removable sim. Not sure about sprints unlocking policy on that device though.
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The original Photon has a removable sim. Not sure about sprints unlocking policy on that device though.
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I own this Photon and it worked well since it's unlocked for foreign sims but it won't see an update beyond 2.3 since Motorola won't upgrade it. GN2 is the phone I want to upgrade to but this embedded sim is my biggest problem with it.
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No u are exactly correct that chip controls sprint lte access but the good news is a secondary sim slot can be placed directly over it without much case modification you just have to wire it up and remove the metal block from the pcb cover Case also wireless charging is definitely in play due to the pcb is wired for it a lot of hardware modification promise
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Randy, Are you saying saying there is no need to remove the chip just solder wires from it's legs to SIM slot and switch with software?
Exactly someone would have to unlock it software wise but a simple soder hack and some super glue will allow it to be used directly on top of chip with wires straight to the right connections.. The chip cannot I repeat cannot be removed it manages the sprint frequency of lte and International roaming to remove it would take away ur ability to have lte but the positive is its not that locked down from what I'm hearing its a simple mod hardware wise. also the wireless hack is super super easy I don't understand why sprint left the tech for wireless charging in and routed correctly but removed the access to them. Go figure as soon as I get a device ill do some tinkering
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I have to tear it down again tomorrow when I get to the store as I screwed up the rubber grommet that goes around the headphone jack (covering the hole atm). So if you guys need any more pictures of the chip / insides I'd be happy to oblige.