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I am not sure if you guys know that you can now connect to WiFi and get better phone service. These new phones are called WiFi phones.
I was just wondering if there is a way to get the Dash to be a WiFi phone because I tend to get poor service in my area. Thank you.
wat do u mean wifi phones
Like phones that are able to connect to wifi and speak over wifi, for example instead of connecting to a tower you can connect to your wireless router and the router will act as a tower.
isnt that just SIP? like VIOP? is that what you are talking about?
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isnt that just SIP? like VIOP? is that what you are talking about?
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Looks very similar to the post i was going to leave earlier but phone crashed.
Even the ? ? ?
oh i never heard of it.. lik maybe if theres a way ill check it out
Swaney no offense dude but you are a bozo! I'm contributing to the fact by posting this but I have to enlighten you. Do me a favor and look at your last 10-12 posts and ask yourself if any of them are relevant or helpful. Instead of adding more work to the mods just think about what your posting please. Your killing me brother.
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Swaney no offense dude but you are a bozo! I'm contributing to the fact by posting this but I have to enlighten you. Do me a favor and look at your last 10-12 posts and ask yourself if any of them are relevant or helpful. Instead of adding more work to the mods just think about what your posting please. Your killing me brother.
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man w.e thanks for the tip i guess... but ill lay off cuz you are right
Rogers here in Canada offers it on certain phones. They call it Talkspot. You can use your cell phone normally but then when at home you use your wifi network to make and take calls that don't count against you minutes. currently here it is only compatable with 2 phones. BB Pearl and Nokia 6086. You could also just use somthing like Skype on you phone.
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Rogers here in Canada offers it on certain phones. They call it Talkspot. You can use your cell phone normally but then when at home you use your wifi network to make and take calls that don't count against you minutes. currently here it is only compatable with 2 phones. BB Pearl and Nokia 6086. You could also just use somthing like Skype on you phone.
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3 do one via Skype http://www.three.co.uk/personal/products_services_/skype_phone.omp
BT do it that allows you to have an internet no. and if @ connected via a HUB\Router you can recieve and make calls via internet, the only problem is can't use it with WM6.1 since the software is not compatable.
Yah I know the Pearl does it because I work at tmobile, but what I was mainly wondering was if there was like a third party application program that would allow the dash to do it since it already has the wifi built in...
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Yah I know the Pearl does it because I work at tmobile, but what I was mainly wondering was if there was like a third party application program that would allow the dash to do it since it already has the wifi built in...
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Yes Skype, Fring and numerous others.
This may prove interesting? http://www.avecmobile.com/index.php?id=900
The BT one mentioned earlier is for Dash.
no there aint a way...
jdoggraz said:
I am not sure if you guys know that you can now connect to WiFi and get better phone service. These new phones are called WiFi phones.
I was just wondering if there is a way to get the Dash to be a WiFi phone because I tend to get poor service in my area. Thank you.
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i know exactly what your talking about and to answer your question no you cant use the dash as a wifi phone t-mobile offers that service here in NYC where i live its called "T-Mobile [email protected]" ive had that service setup at my house. they send you a router and a phone and you pretty much use use your cell phone like a house phone with unlimited call to anywhere in the USA and Canada for a flat rate of 20 dollors a month. its like you said you use your mobile phone to connect to your router via wifi and you get good signal strength and you can take your phone to any Hotspot places (e.x Starbucks) and use your phone. but your limited to how far you can walk away from your router. anyways make a long story short.. when i was ordering the service they asked me what kinda phone i would like and they offered me some crappy Nokia flip phone and offered me the blackberry curve. i told them well i have the TMO dash that can also run on wifi and they told me the dash cant be used as a wifi phone i was pretty much pissed cause i had to pay for a new phone. well sorry for the long story but no the dash was not built to be used for that.
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i know exactly what your talking about and to answer your question no you cant use the dash as a wifi phone t-mobile offers that service here in NYC where i live its called "T-Mobile [email protected]" ive had that service setup at my house. they send you a router and a phone and you pretty much use use your cell phone like a house phone with unlimited call to anywhere in the USA and Canada for a flat rate of 20 dollors a month. its like you said you use your mobile phone to connect to your router via wifi and you get good signal strength and you can take your phone to any Hotspot places (e.x Starbucks) and use your phone. but your limited to how far you can walk away from your router. anyways make a long story short.. when setting i was ordering the service they asked me what kinda phone i would like and they offered me some crappy Nokia flip phone and offered me the blackberry curve. i told them well i have the TMO dash that can also run on wifi and they told me the dash cant be used as a wifi phone i was pretty much pissed cause i had to pay for a new phone. well sorry for the long story but no the dash was not built to be used for that.
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Yah thats true, well hopefully someone might come up with a program that will allow you to do that... never know...
i know you got your hopes up...
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Yah thats true, well hopefully someone might come up with a program that will allow you to do that... never know...
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but it will never happen. i believe its more hardware then it is software so pretty much its gotta be built into the dash motherboard then again i can be wrong.
It would be nice if we can get skype on 6.1
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It would be nice if we can get skype on 6.1
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LOL, just install it.... I did
spikey911 said:
LOL, just install it.... I did
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yeah i also got skype installed
Ummm so the skype works on the new 6.1 rom. I thought that it did not work.
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Ummm so the skype works on the new 6.1 rom. I thought that it did not work.
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yeah works just fine... u need help locating the file? if so let me know ill PM u the link
I need help please. It's not my service! (TMobile) It's my TP2. The signal is w-e-a-k! I drop calls all the time in my house now. I never used to do that with my s710.
Please, someone...is there something I can change in my settings? can i download something? I need to make this signal stronger. I did not pay all this $$ to have all these dropped calls. Can I change the "radio" or something? I think I read something about that, but I am such a noob. Please, someone guide me!
Thanks
Not sure if this will help as I am in UK.
I have just switched provider and discovered I don't get signal at home so went to Settings, Communications, Phone, Advanced, Band and changed network type from Auto to Gsm.
Don't need the 3G, data connection or whatever as have pc at home and get reasonable signal with phone forced to gsm.
I appreciate the reply, but that will not work for me. I use the data connection daily.
Any other possibilities people? Please. I am so desperate.
Does anyone have a solution ? Would a hard reset help? I don't want to start from scratch.
have you tried switching back from 3G to 2G? because if you get a constant 2G signal then it pretty much sums up that 3G signal is weak in your area.
Thanks. I don't even have 3g in my area right now. So that factor is out of the picture.
Will unfortunately have to wait for HARDSPL and new radio stacks.
There are signal boosters that you can buy off the net, no idea how efficent they are though.
Cheers,
Beasty
lol, Beast, thats exactly what I was going to say, a new radio helps in many cases. At least it did when I had my Dash.
On other news, looks like T-Mo let us down again, at least US buyers. No details were posted on their site concerning the TP2, as I posted earlier that was supposed to happen today. At least not yet. Oh well, only 4 days 'til Wednesday!!!!!!
edit: And @ Beast, or anyone who knows. Does the TP2 have an external antenna port? I use a signal booster, but used to have the external antenna adapter plugged in to my Dash. My next door neighbor is getting the TP2 also but doesn't want to ditch out the $200-$300 for a signal booster. I am going to give him my old setup if the TP2 has an external antenna port.
Thanks for the replies guys. I will wait for the HARDSPL. I will also be asking someone to hold my hand at that time b/c I have never done that process before. I am new to all of this flashing this and that stuff, but willing to learn.
how in the world are all you people getting the Tp2 so early? i assume it is not from T-mobile.
Got mine through Mobile Phones Direct It's available from a number of sources, in fact, including - gasp shock horror - Amazon (link!)
I am having reception problems too. I have a TP2 and a mytouch mytouch gets 3 bars tp2 gets 1 and goes in and out of 3g.
Select tmobile employees got the tp2 about 5 weeks ago ...roughly 5 in each market
so this could be the start of many people's reception problems...i wonder what will be done about it on the HTC end? Tmobile end? SHould be interesting.
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Got mine through Mobile Phones Direct It's available from a number of sources, in fact, including - gasp shock horror - Amazon (link!)
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the USA T-mobile Touch pro2?
Ah, no, not that one, sorry, didn't cotton on to your being in the USA - sorry
As to radio reception, anyone else got GPS receive problems at the moment? I've compared reception between the TP2 and my old iPAQ hw6915, and for the first fortnight, the TP2 outperformed the 6915: Now its the other way around - massively - the TP2 cannot seem to hold a lock on GPS, rendering the entire system useless.
Any ideas?
GPS Hotfix
HTC have recently issued a Hotfix for the GPS on the TP2.
Head over to the HTC support site. May fix your problems.
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how in the world are all you people getting the Tp2 so early? i assume it is not from T-mobile.
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They probably have the UK version, or Telus version, or....etc. I know the UK version will not work in the states. Well, nix that, it will work, but will not get T-Mob's 3G when and if we see 3G. (At least in my area, lol) You can only get the 2G.
On a side note, has anyone seen the T-Mobile version. I think it is ugly compared to the UK version. Da** T-Mobile, always changing things.
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Thanks for the replies guys. I will wait for the HARDSPL. I will also be asking someone to hold my hand at that time b/c I have never done that process before. I am new to all of this flashing this and that stuff, but willing to learn.
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Ah, it is not so techy. Tecky? hmm, got to think on the word there. I guess what I am trying to say is it is not a very complicated process. I was very apprehensive to flash my first ROM, but the first went so well, I don't think I could have asked for more. Just follow the guides and it should go smoothly. I flashed many ROM's on my (now gone) Dash. Let me put it in perspective though. I now own (sad to say) a BlackBerry, and with that you have to go through many complicated steps. However, I am getting the TP2, and that is one of the reasons. Flashing ROM's on the HTC device is a lot easier. After the first you will become Old Hand at it.
You should wait for the HardSPL, though, I think that is why mine went so smooth the first time. These guys are geniuses. They will have a solution before long. Listen to them and keep updated. They are willing to help, which is more than I can say for Crackberry dot com. Ooops sorry for the reference there. But you get flamed there for knowing a whole lot of nothing. Here, however, they might flame you, but lead you in the right direction.
Good luck and welcome to the Rhodium/Touch Pro2
k, thanks folks
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Thanks. I don't even have 3g in my area right now. So that factor is out of the picture.
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Errr, now I don't understand the original signal problem. If there are no 3G coverage then IMHO you'd better switch to 2G (GSM only). It will spare your battery too, I think
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Does the TP2 have an external antenna port? I use a signal booster, but used to have the external antenna adapter plugged in to my Dash. My next door neighbor is getting the TP2 also but doesn't want to ditch out the $200-$300 for a signal booster. I am going to give him my old setup if the TP2 has an external antenna port.
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No, it doesn't
Hi guys!
So, AFTER agreeing to buy a T-Mobile TP2 for use up here in Montreal on Rogers, I have now learned that it won't work on Roger's 3G band. Brutal! I thought buying the US T Mobile version would be okay.
Oh well.
Now, I have a real-world usage question, for those of you using this device on the ATT/Rogers network...
Just how bad (or good!) is the speed? I really would love a straight answer here, and I think others would, too.
With my AT&T FUZE, the phone typically jumps from H to 3G; but mostly 3G. Nonetheless, surfing is really hit & miss. Sometimes I will wait soooo long for a message with a 1MB attachment to arrive, but other times, it's pretty quick.
I do like to tether my laptop to the device quite frequently, and when I download a file using Internet Explorer, I will get about 100Kb/s, right up to 250Kb/s. I think I once saw 300KB/S while downloading a large file, but it was rare.
I do get faster throughput when I tether via USB and not though bluetooth, of course.
So, my bottom line question is... If you see a 10MB file that you wish to download while tethering, and you are an AT&T or Rogers user using a T-Mobile version of the phone, then just how good or bad is the transfer rate?
I am really looking for some real-world examples, nothing theoretical.
After all, according to Rogers, their 3G HSDPA network is supposed to support 7.2Mbit/s, but give me a break. File, Save As, has never been that thrilling when I tether with my FUZE. And as I mentioned, could sit forever downloading certain emails, EVEN when I see the 3G logo!
So really, please share your bottom line experience with me... Tethering and/or surfing and downloading attachments with the device.
I know plenty of you are on AT&T and Rogers with a T-Mobile Touch Pro 2, unable to use 3G.
Are you guys dying to give it back, or is it pretty darn decent?
Honest answers would be really appreciated!
Thanks!
No matter what, since you got the TmoUSA version, you're stuck with Edge speeds since it doesn't work on AT&Ts 3G bands.
if you don't like Edge, return the phone & wait for AT&T or Rogers to release it.
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Hi!
I know I am stuck with EDGE speeds, I just wonder what that really means.
The good news is that the seller gave me until tomorrow to back out, with no problem at all.
So, part of me is saying, "BACK OUT! WAIT FOR THE AT&T VERSION WHICH WILL BE OUT SOON!!", but another part is wondering... Hmm... just how slow is the EDGE version after all?
I am anxious for a new phone. (And I already ordered several accessories! )
So, I just really want to know how 'bad' or 'slow' EDGE really is!
I have 24 hours to back out of the purchase! That's why I am posting here...
I paid $415.00 for a locked version. Add a few bucks to unlock it, and it's no real steal.
I wonder just how slow EDGE is, that's all! Let's see what others have to say!
Thanks again!
well if you do stick with it, I only tethered with Edge once or twice & it was unbearable for what i was doing. If you want to use the net though, I suggest getting Opera Mini or trying Opera Mobile 9.7 with the Turbo mode. This will make browsing faster.
here's for Opera Mini & the Jbed Java manager:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398567
Wow.
If you say that tethering with EDGE is unbearable, then forget it!
I will not buy the phone, and wait for the AT&T version.
Hopefully a few others will pipe in with some info overnight!
Looks like I think I will cancel the sale.. let's see what anyone else says. Thanks as always!
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Wow.
If you say that tethering with EDGE is unbearable, then forget it!
I will not buy the phone, and wait for the AT&T version.
Hopefully a few others will pipe in with some info overnight!
Looks like I think I will cancel the sale.. let's see what anyone else says. Thanks as always!
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Without going into any technical jargon EDGE is slow and on most networks real world average speeds are between 70 to 150 if lucky. When I was with ATT I used to get anywhere from 1.5Mb to 2.1.
The difference is clear. The rumour mill has it that ATT will release their version of TP2 in October. I'd return that baby and hang in there.
On a personal note: I ditched ATT to T-Mob to get the TP2. For the first time in years I'm able to watch youtube videos with little to no buffering. Also my Slingplayer no longer stutters when in control mode.
Not a lot of word out about AT&T's version lately.
It's worth noting that there have been a lot of news stories in the past week about AT&T's network not being able to handle the load of iPhone data and being very slow.
Another thing to remember here is that AT&T doesn't necessarily mean CDMA+GSM world phone .... you may be looking at the original GSM TP2 device here, with no 3.5mm jack if/when AT&T releases theirs
On a personal note: I ditched ATT to T-Mob to get the TP2. For the first time in years I'm able to watch youtube videos with little to no buffering. Also my Slingplayer no longer stutters when in control mode.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this! I'm using TMO this time around and I love the speed for both YouTube and my Slingplayer.
I'm guessing it's too late now but it really depends on your area. You should have taken your TP2 and tested it whilst in Montreal. Different carriers give different EDGE speeds, just like different carriers give different 3G speeds. Some people get easily over 200kbps. In which case it'd be like early broadband. But yeah, just because someone in Florida gets great speeds and someone in Seattle (random examples unrelated to reported performance or anything like that) gets horrible speeds doesn't mean that your experience will reflect either one.
Oh, and comments on ATT's capabilities to handle the traffic are irrelevant here as the OP is talking about Roger's network in Montreal.
Hi guys,
Thanks to the posts so far, my choice is clear!
I will use my FUZE for the next month or so, and await the AT&T version. It would be the height of impatience for me to buy an EDGE phone, knowing that a 3G version is just around the corner.
Also, based on the pics I have seen online, another HUGE plus on the AT&T version (IF the pics are legit), is that the top row of buttons is like the FUZE... ! @ # $ % ( ), as opposed to a row of numbers. The numbers on the AT&T TP2 are in a keypad formation, which I like more.
And as for the top row of keys, I LOVE LOVE LOVE having symbols there, accessible without hitting the shift key. (IF the spy photos are true).
I cancelled the order!
The only pain in the ass is that I already ordered two cradles, 5 clear screen protectors, 5 mirrored screen protectors, 5 extra magnetic styli, 3 batteries, 2 chargers, and god knows what else! So now I have to STARE at these accessories for a month or two, until I get the AT&T version. What a tease!
Thanks for all your help!
Well, at least the ATT version version seems to be the standard build/body unlike the Tmo version which is slightly longer. That means that the accessories should fit it without any big problems (you'll have a hole for the camera that isn't on the ATT version according to the pics, but hey).
Just set your FUZE to 2G EDGE only and see how it is for yourself.
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Just set your FUZE to 2G EDGE only and see how it is for yourself.
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Yes, I thought about doing that, but I wasn't sure how to definitively set this up. Despite many years of purchasing, upgrading, flashing, cooking, and tweaking these devices, I am still a little unsure how to definitively go into each of the various modes/bands (2G/2.5G/3G) and whether or not it would be an accurate test/assessment.
I figured it would be best to get people's advice who have actually tried tethering while on AT&T and Rogers.
Settings>Phone>Band>Select Network>GSM (or something like that)
I did the same mistake.. I bought the Telus version and unlocked it. I thought that I can live without the 3G because I don't browse much. I later realised that the EDGE speed isn't enough for the music streaming I usually do. I really love the phone but I'm thinking about selling it.. I bearly used it for a couple hours and put it back in its box. Still unsure of what I'm gonna do. But my guess is if your lucky enough to be able to back out, send it back. I had to pay $500 + $25 for unlocking. Probably not gonna sell for that much and I only got to enjoy it for an hour or too
Edit: BTW the EDGE speeds ranged from 150-230 kbits/sec which is about 20-30 KB/s when downloading compared to 350-400KB/s when downloading on my Diamond on 3G.
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I did the same mistake.. I bought the Telus version and unlocked it. I thought that I can live without the 3G because I don't browse much.... BTW the EDGE speeds ranged from 150-230 kbits/sec which is about 20-30 KB/s when downloading compared to 350-400KB/s when downloading on my Diamond on 3G.
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WOW, that is exactly the answer I was looking for (or should I say, NOT looking for!)
Sorry to hear about your situation. Not cool, of course.
I did get my money back and was able to back out, no questions asked.
Downloaded at 30 KB/s is brutal. I know you are not the only one to make this mistake.
All I know is that I hope Rogers/AT&T really come out with their own version... because otherwise, I'll have tons of accessories to sell!!
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WOW, that is exactly the answer I was looking for (or should I say, NOT looking for!)
Sorry to hear about your situation. Not cool, of course.
I did get my money back and was able to back out, no questions asked.
Downloaded at 30 KB/s is brutal. I know you are not the only one to make this mistake.
All I know is that I hope Rogers/AT&T really come out with their own version... because otherwise, I'll have tons of accessories to sell!!
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Lol yeah I hope a 3G version does come out. I use the pro2 from time to time I love the RAM, keyboard and screen side of the phone but when I'm fed up with EDGE I use the Diamond. I must say though that if you need 3G for browsing primarily, the speeds are good enough especially on Opera (thumbs up for Opera). When it comes to streaming its so so..
I say if you can hold back, wait for a 3G version so you dont regret anything.
Good luck buddy.
Hello. I am wondering if someone here might be able to clear something up for me. I bought a new EVO 4G off eBay a few days ago. I called Sprint to verify the ESN is clean.
The thing is, I don't have any intention to activate this phone, rather I bought it as a toy, and because upon coming back to the US for a vacation a few weeks ago, I finally saw what it looks like in person and I had to have it (Yes, I like smartphones). Of course ironically it FINALLY released in Japan just days after I left but that's besides the point.
Anyway, I have the WiFi turned on and the phone has found my location for the HTC Sense weather widget, however the internet won't load and when I try to connect to Google to use the Marketplace and such, it says there is an error communicating with the servers, and that my phone might not be set up for data provision.
Someone please tell me that Sprint hasn't locked down this such that you can't even use the Wi-Fi until it's activated. Though I suspect that is indeed the case...
...and IF that is so, then am I correct in the understanding that flashing it with some custom ROM would solve the problem? I have never rooted a phone before, though I do own a number of unlocked ones (Nexus S, Xperia Play, etc) and so I had intended to try it out with this, since I can never actually use this as a phone. But perhaps it might be more of a necessity than I had expected.
Not sure if this will help you, but if you flash Warm Z, or any other of the froyo/sense 2.2 ROMs, during setup it will ask you if you want to use it on the data network or only on wifi.
Since you don't need 4g anyway, I would recommend checking it out. One of my favorite ROMs.
Rooting links:
This one is harder, but you will know more when you're done:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829045
Easier/know less:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=787304
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Hello. I am wondering if someone here might be able to clear something up for me. I bought a new EVO 4G off eBay a few days ago. I called Sprint to verify the ESN is clean.
The thing is, I don't have any intention to activate this phone, rather I bought it as a toy, and because upon coming back to the US for a vacation a few weeks ago, I finally saw what it looks like in person and I had to have it (Yes, I like smartphones). Of course ironically it FINALLY released in Japan just days after I left but that's besides the point.
Anyway, I have the WiFi turned on and the phone has found my location for the HTC Sense weather widget, however the internet won't load and when I try to connect to Google to use the Marketplace and such, it says there is an error communicating with the servers, and that my phone might not be set up for data provision.
Someone please tell me that Sprint hasn't locked down this such that you can't even use the Wi-Fi until it's activated. Though I suspect that is indeed the case...
...and IF that is so, then am I correct in the understanding that flashing it with some custom ROM would solve the problem? I have never rooted a phone before, though I do own a number of unlocked ones (Nexus S, Xperia Play, etc) and so I had intended to try it out with this, since I can never actually use this as a phone. But perhaps it might be more of a necessity than I had expected.
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I can't say this with confidence, because my Evo hasn't been deactivated before, but as far as I understood it, you should be able to connec to WiFi, whether the phone is activated or not. You shouldn't need to be activated to use WiFi. When you connected to the WiFi network, did it connect successfully and show good signal strength?
How about formatting the phone and then turning on airplane mode and then wifi. It should work fine
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
Yes, being a used phone, I would highly recommend do a factory reset on it first. That way it will be clear of anything the previous owner might have done to it.
And yes, the phone will work on wifi only without a data plan, just make sure the phone is in airplane mode all the time, then turn the wifi on.
I had that happen to me with a old android when I did a factory rest you should have wifi but you can't use the market or gmail without a data plan from sprint at least I could not but I had a Samsung moment and it was rooted with a costume ROM on it I've never had my evo turned of so IDK..... If thats the case you can use other ways to get apps like Amazon or applanet thats what I did anyway......
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Thanks to everyone who provided assistance. A few things:
1. The phone was actually still sealed. The security stickers were still on the phone and the manual, and even the battery was still unopened. Furthermore the phone itself still had the plastic sheet over the screen in perfect condition (something I've not even got from so-called new unlocked phones) so unless the seller went through really great loops to make it look new, it is apparently new. Though I will format the memory just incase.
2. I turned on Airplane mode as everyone suggested, and then when I turned on WiFi it let me connect to the Android Marketplace actually.
Actually, can I ask one more question, though unrelated. I want someone to confirm this:
I have two different contract carriers with me here roaming (Docomo and Softbank), both on Android Phones (the Xperia Play unlocked and Desire HD locked respectively). I have the mobile data transmission set to off (no roaming), however the actual phone service is on roaming. Every time I turn on the phones I receive messages from the carriers about roaming charges for data. I want to confirm that if the data roaming is OFF, and it is on Wi-Fi always, there are no charges for anything other than if I were to make a phone call, is this correct? I am 99.999% sure this is true, but part of me is really worried about returning and seeing a $10,000 bill.
but you can't use the market or gmail without a data plan from sprint
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Yes you absolutely can. To the phone, a wifi connection is the same as a 3g connection, its just a way to access the internet.
I want to confirm that if the data roaming is OFF, and it is on Wi-Fi always, there are no charges for anything other than if I were to make a phone call, is this correct?
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You could still get charged for any texts/picture mail you receive, as those still go through the regular phone radio, not the data radio.
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Yes you absolutely can. To the phone, a wifi connection is the same as a 3g connection, its just a way to access the internet.
You could still get charged for any texts/picture mail you receive, as those still go through the regular phone radio, not the data radio.
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Drat...I've received a number of those actually, but all from the carriers themselves which I think might be free of charge.
Japan basically doesn't do SMS/MMS thus it's really not an issue. And while Softbank does to an extent, I can't seem to actually receive any while here, as it actually keeps saying I have undelivered mail.
But I am happy everyone here mentioned the Airplane Mode detail as I had no idea you could use Wi-Fi in it. I had been angry because there seemed like no way to shut off the cellular radio and that provided a solution.
Sorry if I seem paranoid, but I literally received a bill for $5400 last December due to a carrier mistake (and they actually had the nerve to accuse me of using an overseas phone when I CLEARLY was using a locked one) and ever since I have been scared about getting another. Currently Docomo is the only carrier in Japan that will allow unlocked phones to be used, though in doing so you are thus accepting that your data transmission charge will be capped at $120 a month instead of the normal $75 for its sanctioned (locked) products. But Japan is so far behind with smartphones I can't stand to use any of them.
Just a few days ago, Verizon was having a sale on their site. Get a free KIN TwoM with a 2 year contract. I think its because they've almost emptied their inventory of KINs,but there's still some left. Apple usually clears out inventory of phones by reducing them to $99. After their inventory is cleared, what will happen? I want to know what you guys think.
I think that they should sell the phone for 50$ and they would still get cash for it (nobody wants it in responsability rofl). the 2 year contract for this phone idea just made me laugh.
And yes, we all know about expiring date: soon.
Honestly i think there will be a higher demand, i was the first one in my area to own a Kin device and now all of my friends who don't want a data plan want the kin. It's the closest to a smartphone without a dataplan and is by far the BEST feature phone verizon has. I look at the reviews and laugh at all the people b*tching about this phone. Why would they be complaining when it's a cheap and very good feature phone? people complain about everything these days.
Let me explain: Original creation, aka Microsoft doesnt make more Kin OS related shipments, Sharp doesnt create more phisical devices and Verizon thinks that it sucks (and hides it). Unless you can do magic, the only devices you will see are stock or refurbised.
They are just cleaning the dust for it. Also, i just pointed at 2year contract thing, too much time imo.
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Let me explain: Original creation, aka Microsoft doesnt make more Kin OS related shipments, Sharp doesnt create more phisical devices and Verizon thinks that it sucks (and hides it). Unless you can do magic, the only devices you will see are stock or refurbised.
They are just cleaning the dust for it. Also, i just pointed at 2year contract thing, too much time imo.
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yeah, I saw that it is Out-of-Stock on Verizon. Its a shame that this phone is basically dead. Even as it is, I believe that this is Verizon's best feature phone. The addition of wi-fi just makes it kick ass. And a 600-MHz processor? Damn that's fast for a feature phone. I think that given time and if rumours spread that the device can run homebrew apps and a CFW (made by our community) this phone would spread like wild-fire.
I just received to Kin TWOm's this morning from Verizon. Me and my wife both had upgrades due so she ordered them. I love the phone to be honest. Just wish It was hacked & could play games.
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I just received to Kin TWOm's this morning from Verizon. Me and my wife both had upgrades due so she ordered them. I love the phone to be honest. Just wish It was hacked & could play games.
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if you're connected over wi-fi, I do believe that you can play Java games. But, being a feature phone, there's not much you can ask for. Hopefully we can get things moving along and get past the write-protection on this device.
Right now my Data is blocked so I dont have Net access. I dont want to get charged for fee's but as it looks all over the net today there are a ton of users losing hope that this thing will ever get hacked.
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Right now my Data is blocked so I dont have Net access. I dont want to get charged for fee's but as it looks all over the net today there are a ton of users losing hope that this thing will ever get hacked.
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Why can't Microsoft just understand that this project was a failure. And since they're not going to continue the project, they might as well hand it over to the community. The community knows what it wants, and the community can develop their own software so the phone becomes better. All this phone needs is custom applications, that will solve problems of games, tools, and entertainment (youtube and what not).
If we all make a petition or something like that, pressuring Microsoft to give us a minute of their attention. Maybe then, they might give us some sort of code or access to the phone.
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If we all make a petition or something like that, pressuring Microsoft to give us a minute of their attention. Maybe then, they might give us some sort of code or access to the phone.
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We're starting a petition on the Kin TwoM Programming FaceBook Page.
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Right now my Data is blocked so I dont have Net access. I dont want to get charged for fee's but as it looks all over the net today there are a ton of users losing hope that this thing will ever get hacked.
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It doesn't matter if your data is blocked when you connect via Wi-Fi. Verizon can't stop you from accessing Wi-Fi networks they don't own, they can only block you from using their 3G network for data (besides your calls, texts, etc).
I didnt know that I thought no matter what if you connect any data through the phone even with Wifi some how this will get to verizon & I will be charged for Data. Verizons data plans are trash so I dont want to get data with them
No, if Verizon could charge me for using my own Wi-Fi, I would be throwing stones through the windows at their corporate headquarters. Just use "Wireless Controls" under "Settings", and turn Wi-Fi on. Select a network to connect to, if it doesn't automatically find one, you can go to "other" underneath the Wi-Fi pane and find a network manually.
See I did not know that because Im just really getting into phones so this is my really first true phone. I called verizon twice & asked this same question "If I disable my Data plan" can I connect through Wifi on someone elses network & not get charged.
Both people said If i disable my Data Plan (which I dont currently have anyways) They said I would I would be charged no matter what if I connect through Wifi. Maybe thats just an attempt to force to purchase a data plan.
@4LC4PON3
You can just put your phone in airplane mode and then turn on wifi. This way, there's no chance you'll get charged while using wifi.
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Both people said If i disable my Data Plan (which I dont currently have anyways) They said I would I would be charged no matter what if I connect through Wifi. Maybe thats just an attempt to force to purchase a data plan.
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Simple Answer: You don't get charged for wi-fi and they can't charge you for data if it is deactivated
Explanation: That is a complete lie and whoever you were talking to must both be complete idiots. Verizon has NO way to know if you're using wi-fi or not. If they charged anyone for using wi-fi, no one would buy a smartphone from Verizon. And, if you disable your data, they cannot charge you for it. If no data is being sent to Verizon's network, then there are no charges, makes sense right? And, if you're on wi-fi which does not belong to Verizon, how would they know? Wi-fi is a short-range frequency and they would not even be able to tell if it is activated unless they put a chip in every single device that is wi-fi enabled to track it, which they do not. BUT, if you have a weak wi-fi signal, your device might drop the wi-fi connection and just hop over to 3G. Or, if you use a Verizon wi-fi zone (airports, hotels, etc) then they can charge you.
@Iggy95
I read that if you put your phone in airplane mode then you cannot send or receive pics when txting.
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@Iggy95
I read that if you put your phone in airplane mode then you cannot send or receive pics when txting.
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Airplane mode disables the 3G (Verizon) connection. You can't send or receive phone calls, SMS (text), or MMS (pics/videos). Airplane mode is the same thing as turning your phone off, as far as Verizon's visibility of it.