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Its official, 02 charge for GPRS usage.

I just got a ****ing huge bill for GPRS usage. According to 02, I have used 33986kb on GPRS last month. This has cost be £80 extra on the bill.
According to a few posts I read last month on this forum (which is complete bul****) 02 do not charge for GPRS.
Someone claimed to be working for 02 and said 02 does not charge, I mean, what the **** was that all about.
Anyone else in the same situation right now? I am already broke, this is gonna get me into serious debt now.
I mean.. WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!

80 GBP and you cry?
c'mon, you've gotta be kidding me. If thats your problem, lol
I just got a bill for 1600 euros and I couldnt care less
life's a *****, deal with it

i work for my money you ignorant prat!

Put your money where your mouth is and take that "paypal" button off of your website..
My 2 cents (the only ones you're ever gonna get)

They haven't charged for GPRS usage so far, but it's not exactly surprising that they'd make an exception for someone who uses such a high amount of data. Obviously if you're sensible and don't go too far over your allowance it's not going to be charged, but if you flaunt the system you're going to raise some flags.
The bottom line is if you aren't prepared to pay for your GPRS usage, then don't use it. If you do use it and you don't get charged it makes a nice bonus, but you can't expect something for free and then complain when it's not.

alitech said:
i work for my money you ignorant prat!
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haha, so do I
'serious debt'
80 GBP
lmfao
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frater said:
Put your money where your mouth is and take that "paypal" button off of your website..
My 2 cents (the only ones you're ever gonna get)
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ah yes and you have developed a website and spent countless hours on it too I guess?
I just think it is extremely funny someone can cry like a friggin baby over a 80 GBP bill
I am a student, I work weekends and have a limited budget yet I find time and money, which I spent out of my own pocket to help people. I dont want to get rich of it and I wont, since everyone has the same freeloading attitude like you do, but I dont want to spend truckloads on money either when the site is gonna attract more traffic
what did you do to help others btw?
lmao

If you think you can get something totally free in this world you must be from a different world... this is planet earth and we have something called Multi national companies who are greedy!
Come on... O2 giving GPRS for free... yes, they did have a promo, but you have to be responsible for your own actions... check it out with O2 first - phone them or check out their website.
If your money is worth so much to you should be responsible when you spend it.

w3rd up

£80 is over a weeks work to me as I have to work for free in a solicitors and study atop my normal job and would be crippling debt. It would take me a month to pay that off.
Anyway, as far as I was aware, we established on here that it was free, but if you go overboard 02 would clock on, and that they could choose to bill you for the lot if they want. So think yourself lucky they only charged you one months usage!
I only use about 2.5mb a month maximumand they haven't billed me yet. How did you use all that anyway? Your phone has WiFi, and in any town you're never more than 20 meters away from an unlocked network!

well i have heard of one guy getting charged for gprs but he was streaming radio and video. i think he got hit hard £300+
im on o2 and it has been a relief so far (touch wood) that i haven't been charged.
i would prefer for o2 to charge but at a fair rate, or even offer a package where for x amount you get y.

Let me get this right, you took the word of the people on here but you never checked with O2. You then proceeded to hammer your account because you thought you were getting something for nothing. It reminds me of a guy I saw in one of those "Eat all you can for a fiver" cafes, the fat bastard gorged himself like a pig at a trough and then said to his buddy "that ****ing food gave me indigestion". You have to pay the piper my friend.

Good luck to those who have not been charged (yet), but don't complain if you get a bill - if you use it you should pay for it!
I pay for my GPRS as an addition to my normal tarriff & it pains me a little to see some people getting it for free, but I suppose if I knew I could get it for free, I wouldn't be too quick to sign up to pay for it
O2 (UK) do offer a reasonable GPRS package - I pay £14.50 + VAT (=£17.04) for my O2 Data36 bolt-on to my monthly contract. It gives me 36Mb/month (more than enough for my needs) and extra data is £0.85 +VAT (=£1.00) per Mb. You'll find these tariffs under the business sections rather than the persoanl tariffs.
I know T-Mobile & Orange have similarly structured GPRS bolt-ons - prices & amounts of data vary etc, but the concept is the same.
I do think the providers are missing out by not offering a lower entry price e.g. £6 for 10Mb or similar.

I also use the same 02 bolt on package.
There is something strange in that i havent yet been charged for any over mb that I knew I had gone over And their computer is registering I am using it and logging the times , but it shows no data actually used.
sounds like a fault with their computers, but I am sure this will be fixed.

I made the mistake of using the internet on my old P800 in America. BIG phonebill.
TBH, as I said earlier, I puposely bought a phone with wifi so that I only only have to use GPRS as a last option. Seriously, ANYWHERE I have ever been, I have never had to walk more than 40 metres to get WiFi connection to the internet. Some other poor sod can pay for my usage

I was with O2 until July. I roam a lot and used the Internet a lot. I was never charged. Not even the minimum daily GPRS roaming charge listed on their website. I was lucky.
I think it may be down to your account provider. Even though the bill comes from O2, O2 has a number of account providers such as Carphone Warehouse or Tesco Mobile.
I originally signed up with BT Cellnet and my provider was Securicor Mobile.
I am not sure how account providers work but it is just a thought.

Hi
O2 were giving me free GPRS when it first went on line and it seems to still be free, though there was a period they were charging me and my bills were high, especailly for GPRS usage on my 3 and half month round the world tour when i roamed!
When we take a contract out for anything these days it is our repsonsibility to check that it suits us and if not, change. Occasionally O2 may not lead the providers with the best offers but like everything it swings in roundabouts and at the moment they seem to have good deals and popular.
Have to say that there XDA website support and updates are a bit thin.
I am with O2 and have been for 6 years without changing provider.
I was made an O2 'Select' customer which i believe they are no longer registering new customers as. This means that you are one of their top 200,000 users... did not think i would qualify.
They give me special offers like answering customer service calls 'IMMEDIATELY' and no queuing, free itemised billing, 60% discount off mobiles and accessories, new handsets before everyone else, and recently i swung a free XDA2i out of them that should have been £180.
From everyones comments above seems like our mate noddy with the £80 bill is the only one who can't manage his money! :lol:
drjrao

So erm...
how much data does msn messenger use then ?
:S
any idea how i could work out my costs on it :s ??

My Daft sister!
My dear sister uses T-Mobile. She decided that now she had broadband, she'd download Nortan Antivirus etc. She was so worried about connecting her laptop to the internet without this software, she decided that it would be more secure connecting to the internet via her GPRS enabled mobile phone to down load it! Anyway, £350 worth of GPRS later, the file still would not download all the way through. The phone account was locked out when it hit the £350 limit. T-mobile, once they'd stopped laughing were very sympathetic and agreed that she could repay them in installment over several month. She has incoming calls only and has had the GPRS disabled!

im very sorry for her, but that story is just hilarious

Using Orange sim with O2 ROM

Hi folks, this is my first post here so go easy on me, you all seem to know your stuff!
I've got an unlocked XDA Exec and I've upgraded the ROM once from the O2 website.
When I do a soft reset I see:
R.1.04.02
G.42.37.P8
D.1.13.82 WWE
I'm sure that will mean something to most of you. I assume the R stands for the radio version.
I have recently changed from an O2 PAYG sim to an Orange contract, and just want to know if there would be any benefit to changing to an Orange ROM (or iMate, Qtek etc)
(I don't need push email by the way - I'm happy to poll my gmail every 30 mins.)
P.S I am supposed to be on 3G but the little indicator at the top always says "G".
When I was with O2 it said "U" when I was in 3G range.
Any advice would be much apreciated.

Personally I'd upgrade that ROM, not for push email, but for general bug fixes and to get Radio 1.09.xx The newer ROM seems more responsive too.
As for changing to the Orange ROM, I'd say definately not. Orange have a bit of a reputation for releasing the worst versions of phone software, and unless you actually need things like line 2 there will be no benefit. The only thing you will need to do is enter the connection settings for GPRS, MMS and redirect the answermachine number.
As for the 2.5g (G) instead of 3g (U), I would be amazed if there was somewhere that O2 had 3g coverage but Orange didn't as O2's 3g coverage is still poor in comparison. Just check that under start -> Settings -> Phone -> Band that the network type is set to auto and then under Network that your current network is UMTS Orange.

Thanks Gajet, I'll probably upgrade to the latest O2 ROM then.
With regards to my phone Band etc - it is set to auto, GSM Band is "EGSM+DC1800" and UMTS Band is "UMTS 2100"
Under the Networks tab, my current network just says Orange.
If I look under preferred networks, there are 2 called Orange, 1 called @Orange, Orange CH and Orange F.

And you're sure the SIM is a 3g one? What phone if any did it come with? Working from memory I think Orange 3g USIMS are green and Orange 2.5g SIMs are white, they may have a g at the start of the printed number too, but that might be O2 I'm thinking of.

My sim is purple :?
I specifically asked Orange for a 3G sim, but I guess that's no guarantee they sent me one. It came with the SPV C600, which I will probably be selling on ebay when I can be bothered.
There is no "g" anywhere on the sim card - I'll just have to call Orange and find out what is going on. I've only just had my old number ported over today, if I have to do it again I won't be happy - especially as I left O2 because their customer service was USELESS.

lex_london said:
P.S I am supposed to be on 3G but the little indicator at the top always says "G".
When I was with O2 it said "U" when I was in 3G range.
Any advice would be much apreciated.
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That's because Orange are crap. They claim to have UMTS (3G) coverage in Derby but I don't have it.
Changing your ROM won't make it work, sadly. And O2 have been actively extending their 3G coverage - I started off with no 3G coverage, then I had it at work, and now I have it at work and at home.
I personally use the latest QTek ROM and it runs very nicely for me though some people say it's unstable with some software packages - though I've yet to see a reliable list of which packages these might be. Provided Linux meets with my expectations (which I consider bare minimum for 'Joe Public') I'll probably be ditching Windows Mobile altogether - in which case the ROM will be completely manufacturer- and network-independant.

lex_london said:
- especially as I left O2 because their customer service was USELESS.
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eeek Out of the Frying pan and into the blast furnace. Sorry mate all CS are crap nowadays and I'm afraid I would rate Orange as worse than O2 from personal experience.
They obviously have changed the colour schemes a bit with SIMs, but 3g USIM's were deffinately green. My suspicion is that they sent you a c600, looked at that handset and thought that you did not need a 3g USIM and have not sent you one. Defo phone em up to check, er don't be suprised if they say to upgrade to a 3g USIM costs £10, you can fight that one out with em.

lex_london said:
I left O2 because their customer service was USELESS.
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I tried to email a billing query in to O2 and they replied with bullcrap about reading usage data off the SIMcard. So I cancelled my Direct Debit and emailed them again to tell them that it would remain cancelled until the issue was resolved. 3 weeks later it was still unresolved and they had ignored all my emails. This month they tried to hit me with £43 (before VAT) of 3G data usage charges, having ignored my Welcome Browse & Download 5Mb allowance and having not updated my Usage online until after my first bill (thereby not allowing me to check my usage!!)
So I called them. They refunded the 14p for the text message to Romania as per my original billing query (I wanted to get that straight in case I find another 200 messages to Romania on my next bill and they try to use the defence that I didn't complain about the first one!), gave me £15 credit for the 5Mb of data I had been billed for wrongly, gave me a £10 "good will" refund and also provided me with an email address to make a formal complaint.

Oh dear. I didn't think anyone could be worse than O2! When I told O2 I wanted my PAC number to change my number to Orange, their "last line of defence" bloke offered me 1kb of data a month for free if I stayed with O2. I pointed out that I was already getting 1MB for free, which is actually quite a bit more. He said, "No, no kb is bigger than mb, I'm telling you!". :lol:
Anyway, I'd love it if Orange try to charge me £10 to upgrade to 3G seeing as I asked for a 3G sim in the first place. Any excuse to shout at them and get some money back!
I'll let you know how it all pans out, thanks for all the help.

lex_london said:
He said, "No, no kb is bigger than mb, I'm telling you!". :lol:
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Ever tried to talk to *any* broadband "support" people about Kbit vs Kbyte? Not a f#@king clue.
You should have asked for 1Gb!!

Well I spoke to Orange today and they confirmed that I have NOT in fact been sent a 3g sim card, despite the muppet on the phone assuring me that he would send me one with my new 3g phone.
As it turns out the phone isn't 3g either. :evil:
They told me I would have to cancel my current contract, start a new one on 3g and then transfer my number (again).
I was so angry at this point that I said a rude word :shock: told them I was going to cancel my direct debit, my contract and tell everyone I know to steer clear of them.
Too harsh?
Maybe.
Fun?
Oh yes!
But now I have no idea which network to use. If anyone out there can help - I need about 200txts 60mins and minimum 20-30mb data per month, as cheaply as possible. Less than £30 would be nice, but I'm guessing unlikely.
If I can draw on some of your experiences it would be a great help.
Thanks in advance.

T-Mobile for the win at the moment I'd say.
Get a Flext tariff to suit your needs and have web and walk added onto it, that's unlimited 3G GPRS (2GB fair useage policy) £7.50 a month or if you want to use as a modem for a laptop it's web and walk pro at £10 a month extra. These data prices can't be even closely touched by any other network at the moment.
Flext 20 would allow you 200 texts, 60 mins voice and a further £2 worth of credit to use on either, add web & walk and your total bill would be £27.50 a month. If you were being cautious on the voice and text needs, there is a flext 25 which gives £60 credit to spread over voice and texts for an extra £5 a month.
OK typing this I feel sick to have to keep on paying O2 what I currently do.

Thanks Gajet, I stumbled on to the T-Mobile site and snapped up the flex, web and walk offer thing. They say in the small print that VOIP, P2P filesharing and video streaming is not allowed but email and browsing is fine, which all suits me, and apparently the reception with T-Mobile is pretty good.
How would they know if I was using VOIP though? Doesn't it all just look like data traffic to them, or can they monitor what programs you are using?
I also just spoke to O2 to see if they could entice me back with a decent offer. Needless to say, their data prices for non-business users are ridiculous compared to T-Mobile, so I politely declined, which is unusual for me - but the girl did have a very nice voice. 8)
Looks like I'm finally sorted.
This forum is great, thanks to all for your help!

Also keep in mind that instant messaging software is currently not allowed, however I believe there would be a way round that in using web based system that sends replies to you as texts.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/11/t-mobile_voip_ban_responds/

I'll probably just stick with plain old sms and email for now. It sounds like t-mob will be introducing their own IM client at some point, but to be honest I'd prefer to use google talk.
Actually, thinking about it, you can access your google talk history from within gmail, but i'm not sure if you can actually use IM from within the browser. I'll have to test it out at some point.

Quick GPS - high cost of downloading data??

Guys,
Just got a massive bill in from o2 - £191 on data.
Appears to coincide with me turning on the download automatically of Quick GPS data. Have I been stung here? What's the cost of this Quick GPS data?
Also its at 00:00 every night....I presume this is when o2 collects their data info.???
Thanks,
HPJ

You've probably been charged for GPRS connections. The file is 50kb large, so simply calculate and you'll have the answer. The best way to avoid that is to delete GPRS settings and download the QuickGPS data via WiFi or just disable the option for autodownloading data when it expires.

No the best thing to do is vote with your wallet and move to a mobile phone network with sensible data prices.
£191 is outrageous. Does it say how much data you used? I'm presuming you have no data bolt on at all and are paying top whack. Is the Orbit also auto checking emails, weather? anything else, because if thats a 50kb download every 3 days for one month with a few extra bytes for connecting, handshaking etc then you can only really be talking about half a Mb a month.
£191 for half a meg!!!!! Something is not right. Could anyone else have used the phone and downloaded anything else?

Well you're right, but I'm not saying, that the bill is only for the QuickGPS data. 50kb x 30 days is around 1,5 mb, which makes > £3 in O2. The bill is probably for using the CoPilot software and downloading maps for it while driving. Am I right ? Are you using this software ? I think the software is actually working like that, downloading the map region, in which you are at the moment. Check your e-mail settings as well, maybe it checks your mail every few minutes (!) and makes the GPRS connection every time. I'm attaching great software to handle your GPRS connections and stop them if you don't want them . Give it a try. Good idea is to install a billing software, which can track your calls, sms and data. Personally I've deleted all the GPRS settings from my mobile and I'm using only WiFi right now.

I noticed on my last O2 bill that I had a high number of connections at exactly midnight and that was before I even had an Orbit.
As did a friend of mine who does have an Orbit.
Something is not right here, can anyone else on O2UK check their bills please?

HPJ said:
Guys,
Just got a massive bill in from o2 - £191 on data.
Appears to coincide with me turning on the download automatically of Quick GPS data. Have I been stung here? What's the cost of this Quick GPS data?
Also its at 00:00 every night....I presume this is when o2 collects their data info.???
Thanks,
HPJ
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No the data should show on your bill at the exact date and time. As you can see from my bill I have strange data useage and this is from APRIL before I had my Orbit (only had it 2 weeks)

leez said:
Well you're right, but I'm not saying, that the bill is only for the QuickGPS data. 50kb x 30 days is around 1,5 mb, which makes > £3 in O2.
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Actually QuickGPS only updates once every 3 days, not daily.
leez said:
The bill is probably for using the CoPilot software and downloading maps for it while driving. Am I right ? Are you using this software ? I think the software is actually working like that, downloading the map region, in which you are at the moment.
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No CoPilot has all the maps it needs stored on your Memory Card. I don't think Copilot has any Traffic report update capabilities, and even if it did, you'd likely have to subscribe to them, so your CoPilot uses NO GPRS data at all.
Your bill is plain Wrong, you need to challenge it!!

Data is amazingly expensive. T-Mobile charge 73p per KB. Thats right, PER KB!!! But only to a max of £1 a day. You could do what I did and go for web'n' walk. which is just £7.50 a month and its unlimited data usage. Good for push email, quickgps and tomtom traffic.
O2 give you a whole 100kb in their monthly plans, which is nothing, they then charge £10 for 20mb. T-mobile still on top here.
Vodafone also do a £7.50 package but its only for 150mb (T-Mobile do have a cap but its 1gb!). If you dont have a data plan its... £2 per MB.
Data will cost you if you dont have some pre-arranged data plan. The unlimited use was the sole reason I went for T-mobile.

I got my data package about six years ago, £25 gets me unlimited free off-peak calls to landlines and O2 mobiles and I get 60 cross network minutes. And unlimited data. And as I get through about 400MB a month I won't change my tarriff even though they say I have to! I just tell them I will go elsewhere.

Unless you have a very good O2 tariff (which would only happen by mistake) vote with your feet - I did, after ten plus years of great service their (O2) GPRS charges are nothing short of a joke - a bloody expensive one I might add.
I decided the T-Mobile web-n-walk at £7,50 PCM for 1GB is fine, I have it on both phones so its possible to do whatever I want internet based and never spend anymore than the basic tariff.
Take up you bill with O2 as something is clearly wrong, if they have supplied the device and it is downloading data of its own accord the problem is theirs not yours so get them to scrub the bill.
Consider putting the SPB GPRS Monitor software on the phone so you can track what the device is doing and exactly when, time/ date, etc - Mike

You dont need these updates, i stopped them from downloading and it takes a few more seconds to get a valid GPS Signal, but costs alot less.

Guys only just been able to read the replies....I think something is seriously wrong.
Here are the stats:
- used Co-pilot less than 5 times since getting Orbit.
- have push email on. Get probably 20 emails / day. Its turned off between 22:00 and 07:00 anyway
- have SPB Shell - weather updates?
- rarely use IE
That's it. Something ain't right.....copy of the bill attached.

HPJ said:
Guys only just been able to read the replies....I think something is seriously wrong.
Here are the stats:
- have push email on. Get probably 20 emails / day. Its turned off between 22:00 and 07:00 anyway
That's it. Something ain't right.....copy of the bill attached.
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Push email uses a hell of a lot of data. At our place we reckoned bout 20MB a day... just on polling etc. (push is a misnomer).
I think that's likely to be your culrpit...

It never used to cost alot....I've used puch email (in the same manner with the same amount of emails) for over 12 months now....
Just called o2....someone is looking into it.
I'll take this opportunity to suggest checking your bills just in case...I don't normally check mine, however could hardly miss the size of the last one.....

push, theres your culprit right there. Push works by your phone constantly telling the server its IP address and that its still on. This polling costs data. Depending on your provider depends on how much your charged.
Some providers do the right thing and charge you based on how much data you use in that month. Some others try and be sneaky and charge you a fix cost per session i.e your phone does the tiny poll and they charge you the min cost of lets say 20p. A few seconds later you do the same and your charged again.
Happend with me in my last workplace while on Vodafone.
Get a dataplan, if you plan on doing ANY form of net access be it push, QuickGPS, traffic info for sat nav then you need a data plan or yourll be very poor indeed.

I don't think it is push email, I don't use it after ten at night. Why is the hook-up at EXACTLY midnight? My mate has the same, MIDNIGHT connects and he does not use push email.
I think there is a major problem with O2s billing.

Guys,
Do not know if this helps I've recently managed to get O2 to agree on ;
O2 200
Unlimited Data
200 extra free texts (o2 treat)
and £120 credit on my account for £55 per month .
As I could not move to another provider (Have more than one handset).
It took a while and a lot of explaining, cross comparing tariff's etc but it can be done.

thanks for the heads up guys... i didnt realise it was soooo expensive!!!
Code:
01/05/07 12:09:22 mobile.o2.co.uk 12009 21.421 P
03/05/07 05:35:33 mobile.o2.co.uk 339 0.661
05/05/07 06:11:13 mobile.o2.co.uk 3374 6.579
09/05/07 04:56:56 mobile.o2.co.uk 509 0.993
10/05/07 01:28:54 mobile.o2.co.uk 2601 5.072
11/05/07 04:28:00 mobile.o2.co.uk 157 0.306
13/05/07 05:42:44 mobile.o2.co.uk 1539 3.001
16/05/07 06:16:22 mobile.o2.co.uk 4076 7.948
17/05/07 15:17:08 mobile.o2.co.uk 591 1.152
18/05/07 00:00:00 mobile.o2.co.uk 2351 4.584
20/05/07 22:32:10 mobile.o2.co.uk 193 0.376
22/05/07 14:10:42 mobile.o2.co.uk 44 0.086
26/05/07 02:09:58 mobile.o2.co.uk 40 0.078
28/05/07 03:31:39 mobile.o2.co.uk 204 0.398
30/05/07 18:17:19 mobile.o2.co.uk 42 0.082
31/05/07 12:22:08 mobile.o2.co.uk 39 0.076
Total Volume 28,108
Total Cost £52.81
no more gprs phone porn for me!

yeah but thats the point....I am absolutely certain it never used to be this expensive. I am sure o2 have cocked something up.
Anyway they are still looking into it.....will let you know when I get a response.

Guys
Maybe this little app will help some of your issues:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310087
At least with this you can completely dictate when you allow a GPRS connection and then maybe even match this against your bills ?
Just a thought really.
I use this to ensure that only WiFi is being used as I dont have an O2 data package due to it being a rip off !

Did I Have Free Internet on T-Mobile Dash?

Today I upgraded my OS to Kavana 6.1 release. I love it.
I hardly ever (read: pretty much never) use the internet on the phone, but with the old T-Mobile official Dash 6.0 system (not hacked), I used to be able to access the internet and I thought I was charged on a per usage basis (but never really checked). In any case, I know for a fact I could access the internet on the old OS and I don't pay a monthly charge for it and it's not part of my plan.
So after I upgraded today, I could not get access to the internet at all. Checked the settings in the phone, checked T-Mobile's website, everything was set up right, but kept getting an error.
So I flashed back to the T-Mobile official release, and once again, I could access the internet. Checked all the settings, wrote them down, flashed back to Kavana. No internet.
Called T-Mobile. Didn't tell them I flashed to Kavana, but told them I suddenly didn't have internet access and asked for help. They said I don't have internet access because I don't pay for it, and T-Mobile does not have per data usage access, and there was nothing they could do unless I wanted to pay $20/month.
Can anyone tell me why this might have been and how I can get back the access I used to have?
As an aside....any way to get T-Zones working without paying for internet access (don't have time to search right now, yes I'm lazy, too!)
Thanks in advance for responses.

Jesus Gixxum, is it that time of the month for newbs. I've heard of this before at Howard Forums when I first got my dash. It's kinda an error on Tmobiles Part. It worked for some in the past like almost a tease when they first got there Dash's. The people eventually lost the free internet. It's like in Office Space when they fire Milton. They fixed the glitch at payroll. So, in either case be happy your weren't charged per kb. No there is no free way to get Internet even with Tzones. The cheaper way is the 5.99 Hack. (USE THE SEARCH) But personally if you want weather and newsfeeds etc. constantly updating. Pay the 19.99 or miss out.
Good luck in your decision or oh I don't have your Swingline stapler.

The $5.99 Tzones plus the proxy hack is the best option.

Pig Vomit said:
Today I upgraded my OS to Kavana 6.1 release. I love it.
I hardly ever (read: pretty much never) use the internet on the phone, but with the old T-Mobile official Dash 6.0 system (not hacked), I used to be able to access the internet and I thought I was charged on a per usage basis (but never really checked). In any case, I know for a fact I could access the internet on the old OS and I don't pay a monthly charge for it and it's not part of my plan.
So after I upgraded today, I could not get access to the internet at all. Checked the settings in the phone, checked T-Mobile's website, everything was set up right, but kept getting an error.
So I flashed back to the T-Mobile official release, and once again, I could access the internet. Checked all the settings, wrote them down, flashed back to Kavana. No internet.
Called T-Mobile. Didn't tell them I flashed to Kavana, but told them I suddenly didn't have internet access and asked for help. They said I don't have internet access because I don't pay for it, and T-Mobile does not have per data usage access, and there was nothing they could do unless I wanted to pay $20/month.
Can anyone tell me why this might have been and how I can get back the access I used to have?
As an aside....any way to get T-Zones working without paying for internet access (don't have time to search right now, yes I'm lazy, too!)
Thanks in advance for responses.
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Yeah back in 07 when I first got my Dash for about 2 months I had free internet too. But that was when I was still using 5.0 Wow. 5.0. That was a year ago. Lol. It sucks how I meet people with the Dash that don't know what they can do with it. I knew this guy that had his phone for months and didn't know he had WiFi. We were on a college campus with free wifi everywhere.

taylor_b92 said:
Yeah back in 07 when I first got my Dash for about 2 months I had free internet too. But that was when I was still using 5.0 Wow. 5.0. That was a year ago. Lol. It sucks how I meet people with the Dash that don't know what they can do with it. I knew this guy that had his phone for months and didn't know he had WiFi. We were on a college campus with free wifi everywhere.
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It was more than 2 months. It was pretty much the entire time I've owned the phone (about 15 months), but like I said, I never use the net through my phone (I work in a car and it's got a mounted laptop with HSDPA internet connectivity). So it's not worth 5.99 to me, much less 19.99. I don't frequent the forums much since I switched to Dash from MPx220 so wasn't sure if this had been brought up before. Seems like since I can flash back to T-Mo 6.0 and have free access there should be some way to hack it, but that's not something I'm capable of myself. Just thought I'd throw it out there for discussion in case people weren't aware.

It's either like this: Keep the faster ROM and pay 6 bux a month or go back to the T-Mobile branded ROM for free net. Dude I know you can afford 6 dollars a month. If it's really that serious I'll send it to you... PSYCHE! But seriously you can easily scrape that up in 30 days. Either way you'll be stealing from the provider but I guess it wouldn't be as bad if you paid a little. I've never had the 20 dollar a month one but I think it's faster. That's what some people say.

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It's either like this: Keep the faster ROM and pay 6 bux a month or go back to the T-Mobile branded ROM for free net. Dude I know you can afford 6 dollars a month. If it's really that serious I'll send it to you...
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Ok, here's my address:
Cheap Bastard
1313 Mockingbird Lane
Munsterville, Transylvania, 66666
Nah, I like the sliding screen and faster ROM. Besides, it's not about me! Just trying to help.

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It's either like this: Keep the faster ROM and pay 6 bux a month or go back to the T-Mobile branded ROM for free net. Dude I know you can afford 6 dollars a month. If it's really that serious I'll send it to you... PSYCHE! But seriously you can easily scrape that up in 30 days. Either way you'll be stealing from the provider but I guess it wouldn't be as bad if you paid a little. I've never had the 20 dollar a month one but I think it's faster. That's what some people say.
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Nope not true, its the same speed whether you use the T-Zones plan and do the proxy configuration or instead use the 20 dollar plan, you will not notice any difference in speed.

Well then what would be the point in paying the 20 dollars?

You're all kinda missing the point of this thread, not that your posts aren't appreciated. It's not how or whether to use the T-Zones hack, it's that the official T-Mobile 6.0 OS 1.22.531.4 allows free internet, and by reinstalling that OS I get it back. Just wondering if anyone can shed any light on why that is, and perhaps figure out how to get it to work with 6.1. I suspect it DID have something to do with T-Zones, as I could access T-Zones to check my minutes, etc., with the old system, but not with 6.1.
I don't care enough about internet on the phone to pay for it, but it was nice to know that it was there and available in an emergency just in case....
BTW, I'm in Southern California.

You were not getting FREE internet. You were geing charge per KB. T-Mobile has a page showing the configuration needed to get MMS and internet to work. jdoggraz has a link to the page in his sig.

nhung said:
You were not getting FREE internet. You were geing charge per KB. T-Mobile has a page showing the configuration needed to get MMS and internet to work. jdoggraz has a link to the page in his sig.
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Tried them, don't work. T-Mobile says they don't have a per KB charge for data.

Don't know how or why, but I am on flexpay, had internet for the first 3 months (the full 19.99 one) only for the rebate, cancelled it as I don't use it that much. They don't charge me anymore and it still works. Going on my 4th full month of all internet working without being charged for it, I called them multiple times to make sure I wasn't being charged and it wasn't activated and they insisted I must have been on a free wi-fi signal. Despite me knowing how to turn wifi on and off, and being in the dead center of a call center that blocks wifi and has no residences or other businesses within 4-500 meters...
I'm also on my 2nd rom, was on WM6 from here, think it was the HTC one, now using one of Kavanas, just using the regular settings. I really think it's a glitch in their billing/provisioning system.

Is Google Maps realy that expensive?

I have Flat rate from my company can surf the internet acording them how much i want for 3 euro for 24 hours
"How much i want" is not realy how much i want
after just 6 hours they said i gone over the limit of 10MB and had to pay another day even if i had like 18 Hours left of internet
The reason i found out Google maps
just loading a street was like 3Mb or more
So is google maps realy that expensive to use?
I might limit my mobilnet to newspapers,email and weather
the phone company is just robbing me
3 euro a day for like what 10MB
they dont even warn you that they going to charge you more
They cant even tell you how much MB you spent
just that you spent way to much and will be double charged
Now i try to check how much money i spent and the web is down
company even charge you money to see how much the bill is
half euro every 24 hours
and i paid it and i cant even see the bill on the web
I calling them now been on wait for 20 minuts
Telefonica must be the worst company in the world for mobile phone
i will switch company soon
anyway to the question Google Maps realy expensive?

i havent seen my blackberry pearl use nearly that much per page, but i dont have my htc fuze yet. Get an unlimited data plan, it is well worth it.

My phone company only have 1 Plan no unlimited plan it sucks
whats worst they dont even tell you is limited until you ask
so my only option is check what other companies have
i am with the spanish state company telefonica
anyway the question is about the Google maps
and yea i was like zooming on my street and got like 3000kb loading

Thats bad. Are there better networks then with unlimited?
Here in Finland I got unlimited 384kbps 9.8e/month
had 512kbps for a while but this is enough since this runs internet radios etc fine.
When I ordered my HD I put that 512 speed for my contract, used for 2 days when my HD came, then I got message from network that I have used 157 euros amount of data. Called them that what the heck and they fixed it and gave me 30euros of free calltime
Had used 60mb or something without contract.

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Thats bad. Are there better networks then with unlimited?
Here in Finland I got unlimited 384kbps 9.8e/month
had 512kbps for a while but this is enough since this runs internet radios etc fine.
When I ordered my HD I put that 512 speed for my contract, used for 2 days when my HD came, then I got message from network that I have used 157 euros amount of data. Called them that what the heck and they fixed it and gave me 30euros of free calltime
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I know there is networks that has triple the price
but i dont know if they unlimited
i think my network is the most expensive in the world
I will keep hands clear off Google maps until i change network

I got through to the 24 hours custumber service after waiting 35 minuts on line.
the answer "Sorry sir the Experts have office hours from 9-22" So much for the 24 hours service
They gave me a claim number and asked me to used it tomorow to get futher answer.
I was just lucky is like impossible to get any custubmber reply after 23.00 even if is 24 hours service.
is the typhical network abusing custumbers just because they big thing