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And it doesn't seem to charge pat 70%. I'll leave it on the charger until it is at 100% (not 90% like some people have issues with), and then when I take it off, within 2-3 hours I am down to anywhere from 72-68%. This isn't with heavy use, for example this morning it has been off for 2 hours, it is at 75% and I did nothing with it except read one email.
Just testing things out, I charged it while the phone was off, and it seemed to discharge slower.
Is this a common thing with these batteries or is mine somehow defective?
Thanks.
Did you recalibrate the battery in your recovery? Charge to full, boot recovery, wipe battery stats, then let it run till it dies.
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Did you recalibrate the battery in your recovery? Charge to full, boot recovery, wipe battery stats, then let it run till it dies.
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I did, but I might try that again. It may not have been actually at 100% (I didn't turn it off, because I didn't know about the issue when I calibrated).
All the other threads had the answer but.....
The driver that has the stats for the 3500mah battery isn't there.
They only included the driver with stats for 1500mah.
If you want to fully charge the battery, you have to do it externally. Even with phone powered off, it may not fully do it.
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All the other threads had the answer but.....
The driver that has the stats for the 3500mah battery isn't there.
They only included the driver with stats for 1500mah.
If you want to fully charge the battery, you have to do it externally. Even with phone powered off, it may not fully do it.
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+1.
The evo can't charge the seidio or any non-htc battery properly. Get an external charger and watch your battery life increase with every charge. I don't even wipe battery stats anymore.
Compusmurf said:
All the other threads had the answer but.....
The driver that has the stats for the 3500mah battery isn't there.
They only included the driver with stats for 1500mah.
If you want to fully charge the battery, you have to do it externally. Even with phone powered off, it may not fully do it.
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That would make sense... I might ditch it then, if I can't reliably charge it 100% because the battery door is pretty hard to remove compared to the stock one and I don't want to end up breaking it one day.
Is that something that would be in the ROM? I'm just wondering if it's worth holding out hope for someone to write a driver for it in CM6 or something.
Yeah I just let it charge until it turned green, turned it off and let it charge until green again (another half hour or so), unplugged it and did it again and it is now at 89% after literally just wiping the battery stats and booting up.
Maybe I'm just being too neurotic about it. It lasts 2 days, I guess I should be happy, but with the stock battery I got 30-36 hours using CM6 and Snap, so I was hoping for more than that.
Been having similar issues did a full wipe the last Rom I loaded and now two hours after unplugged I'm still at 100% so who knows.
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That would make sense... I might ditch it then, if I can't reliably charge it 100% because the battery door is pretty hard to remove compared to the stock one and I don't want to end up breaking it one day.
Is that something that would be in the ROM? I'm just wondering if it's worth holding out hope for someone to write a driver for it in CM6 or something.
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It's hard to say if it's in the rom because the evo itself will not charge any non-htc battery correctly even when it is turned off. It seems there are both hardware and software controls to ensure nothing but the evo battery gets charged correctly.
Here is what I did about the battery door http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=786101
The fact that this battery has been out for so long, so many people have it, and HTC knows about this flaw and hasnt done anything about it is absolutely pitiful and HTC should be ashamed of themselves.
As everyone has said, the only way to get a proper 100 charge is in an external charger. The closest way to to do it in the phone is to leave the phone charging overnight, unplug it when you wake up, and plug it in about 5 minutes later to top it off. Youll get close but it still wont be true 100.
Either way, the only way to properly charge any extended battery for the evo is in a wall charger.
dang i should have canceled my order. Seidio's stupid cancellation policy made me not do it. "cancellations after 2 hrs incur a fee" Now im going to have a Evo with a pot belly and a empty stomach. BS
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dang i should have canceled my order. Seidio's stupid cancellation policy made me not do it. "cancellations after 2 hrs incur a fee" Now im going to have a Evo with a pot belly and a empty stomach. BS
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If you can get it charged properly youll be happy with it. You just have to work around HTC's dumbness.
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If you can get it charged properly youll be happy with it. You just have to work around HTC's dumbness.
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Yeah it seems like I guess it's mostly HTC's fault in this manner. I'm back on the stock battery for now. I might just keep the extended battery at ~60 (apparently the best way to store Lithium Ion) and when I plan on heading out for a weekend trip or something like that, I'll charge the battery up and put that in my phone.
For everyday use, having to remove the battery to charge it sucks.
What would be ideal is if HTC allowed you to key in the MAH of the battery you have installed in your phone or something along those lines to ensure the battery gets charged correctly . I know its a long stretch but hey I can dream ROFL . This charging bug has been the one major thing preventing me from getting an extended battery . I have toyed with the idea of getting a chinese one for cheap just to play around with and so forth but not to drop the cash Seidio wants for theirs . HTC needs to address the charging issue anyways , most users that use a wall charger for their stock batteries have reported improved battery life . Its sad when a cheap wall charger from china out performs charging a battery better than a 600 dollar phone is able to .
I dug thru the code for the battery driver. There seems to be 3-4 different driver sets, but all are 1500mah or less.
It's been many, many years since I programmed, but the structure has an array of temps, max, min MAH, charge rate, and quite a few other specifics relating to battery.
I'm not sure the logic between the charge circuit, the battery and how it knows which battery is inserted, but some of this info is parsed into the logs while it's charging.
A decent programmer could probably code and recompile this into the OS. That programmer isn't ME. I switched to engineering and networking too long ago to remember enough not to blow stuff up.
This is the one thing keeping me from purchasing a hicap battery. Good to hear that it is software related though. Maybe if they got a pool going some enterprising dev will take a whack at it. Disclaimers work
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I dug thru the code for the battery driver. There seems to be 3-4 different driver sets, but all are 1500mah or less.
It's been many, many years since I programmed, but the structure has an array of temps, max, min MAH, charge rate, and quite a few other specifics relating to battery.
I'm not sure the logic between the charge circuit, the battery and how it knows which battery is inserted, but some of this info is parsed into the logs while it's charging.
A decent programmer could probably code and recompile this into the OS. That programmer isn't ME. I switched to engineering and networking too long ago to remember enough not to blow stuff up.
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im wondering if cyanogen and co can work their magic
I'm quite sure they and many others could, but not everyone has the Seidio battery, compared to the numbers of EVO users.
It's probably not worth their time and effort to bother.
What WOULD be nice is if the Seidio folks had programmers instead of just sales folks and could code their own patch for their own products.
I won't be holding my breath tho for any solution. it's ok for me, I have the external charger from my TP2 days. Plus spare batteries as well and don't mind switching when needed. I knew of the issue and was prepared for it before purchasing.
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I'm quite sure they and many others could, but not everyone has the Seidio battery, compared to the numbers of EVO users.
It's probably not worth their time and effort to bother.
What WOULD be nice is if the Seidio folks had programmers instead of just sales folks and could code their own patch for their own products.
I won't be holding my breath tho for any solution. it's ok for me, I have the external charger from my TP2 days. Plus spare batteries as well and don't mind switching when needed. I knew of the issue and was prepared for it before purchasing.
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Yeah I wasn't so much prepared for it. I heard a few things about it, but nothing solid for sure, I should have done some more research. All the reviews on websites were glowing, but I usually take that with a grain of salt.
Too bad even if Seidio had programmers, I'm on CM6 so that wouldn't help me too much haha. On my stock battery I'm getting around 24-28 hours which is plenty fine I guess. Not looking forward to when the battery starts losing its maximum charge, though.
So i don't have an external charger...but i followed the instructions via seidio...
heres what i got:
Rom: CM6 Final Stable
SetCPU: 245/1152 Conservative (Freq Step = 10)
Took phone off charger (from phone) aat 5:30AM
will post back later today with results (hopefully good)
Hi all,
my first original htc s620 battery gone, some time ago i buyed chinese battery (now gone). This is ONLY A TEST TO TRY RETRIEVE A CRAZY LI-ON BATTERY
(i mean a battery that not hold a charge).
The lithium polymer batteries suffers high temperatures. Reading around i discover exist a way to TRY in retrieve a Li-on Battery. I'm testing it and soon we will if it work or not.
I do not assume liability for damage caused by this method. This method can be easily found online. Remember that it can be very dangerous to experiment with lithium batteries.
Ok, im testing it so:
1/ Wait until your device turns off (due to ended battery);
2/ put the battery in an airtight container and place it in a freezer for 2 hours (more or less);
3/ remove the battery from the freezer and wait for it to come back naturally itself at room temperature (so keep it away from heat sources) , it can takes about 1 hour
4/ put battery on your device and recharge it for twice the normal time ( more or less 4 hours). Recharge the battery while holding the device OFF
5/ after a long charge, the battery will become usually a little hot . So remove from device , wait until it returns itself to normal temperature and then put it back in the freezer for another 2 hours.
6/ remove again from freezer, wait it back itself at normal temperature (about 1 hour) . Then put it in the device and test how long it works this time
It might recover some charge because seems low temperature (around and not too much under 0°) stabilizes cells.
ALWAYS REMEMBER TO WAIT FOR THE BATTERY RETURNS ITSELF AT NORMAL TEMPERATURE . BE SURE THE BATTERY IS NOT SUFFERING FOR FAST CHANGES IN TEMPERATURE ( IT CAN BE DANGEROUS) .THIS TEST CAN BE DONE ONLY USING A LI-ON BATTERY (ABSOLUTELY NOT ON A NICKEL BATTERY)
I'm testing it . I'm curious to know if this method can be useful.
In the next days i will put the result.
If you look for a method to measure the capacity accurately, look at my signature. Looking forward to read if there is any success (I doubt it).
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If you look for a method to measure the capacity accurately, look at my signature. Looking forward to read if there is any success (I doubt it).
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ok this is the result. I've found some changes.
After freezer treatment, seems all my two battery maintain better ( little more time) their charge segments. But the batteries did not lose the effect of "virtual memory " . This means they continue to not be fully charged, infact the device goes off several times before the it can no longer switched on. BUT as i said before, the segments charging now last longer than before.
So this method lies partially. You absolutely cannot fully recover a worn battery but...surely the ice temperature make some little changes in your battery.
i'm buying a new "extra long" chinese battery of 2200mA
@tobbie : do you think a new battery must be charged immediately ( when it will arrives) or it's better if i use the partial charge i will found on it ( before recharge)?
My experience with Chinese batteries is very bad. You will get a labeled block of bull**** not worth the postage. I have tested several in my efforts to find the best one and they ALL (no exception) perform worse than the original ones. They never keep the promise they make on the capacity.
If ever possible go for the original batteries, next best is quality replacement parts (whatever that is...) or try your luck with cheap Chinese ones if you don't care about the few bucks.
Good thing is that you have a reference method for comparison, so I would be glad to get your battery rundown to judge upon it.
Li-Ion batteries have no training phase and also no wear depending on charge cycles (unless deep discharged). Look up my thread on battery capacity measurement, some interesting links there.
tobbbie said:
My experience with Chinese batteries is very bad. You will get a labeled block of bull**** not worth the postage. I have tested several in my efforts to find the best one and they ALL (no exception) perform worse than the original ones. They never keep the promise they make on the capacity.
If ever possible go for the original batteries, next best is quality replacement parts (whatever that is...) or try your luck with cheap Chinese ones if you don't care about the few bucks.
Good thing is that you have a reference method for comparison, so I would be glad to get your battery rundown to judge upon it.
Li-Ion batteries have no training phase and also no wear depending on charge cycles (unless deep discharged). Look up my thread on battery capacity measurement, some interesting links there.
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you're right tobbie !! I commonly use batteries SE
ok , thanks tobbbie. I spent for 2200Ma chinese battery almost €15...but surely you're right. I expect nothing better than my last chinese battery! Anyway is not esay to find an original s620 battery, i will try again!
Thak you, i'll check you post!
I found 3 on ebay in 5 minutes:
http://cgi.ebay.de/HTC-Excalibur-S6...ries_MobilePhoneBatteries&hash=item53e038802c
http://cgi.ebay.de/S620-Battery-T-m...548617?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3f05ff2bc9
http://cgi.ebay.de/NEW-OEM-HTC-EXCA...315974?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a623dbb46
Not sure if they deliver to where you are and about the cost.
Loooooooooooooooooooool
Repair battery.
I have the original batteries in both my S620's, try this, when the phone starts switching off after a shorter period, ie less than a day, when it switches off switch the phone back on until it again switches off, repeat this until it won't switch on. Recharge and repeat the process, you should find the battery works like new, mine did.
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I have the original batteries in both my S620's, try this, when the phone starts switching off after a shorter period, ie less than a day, when it switches off switch the phone back on until it again switches off, repeat this until it won't switch on. Recharge and repeat the process, you should find the battery works like new, mine did.
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...another miracle in batteries life
I only trust measured proof. Can you supply this, e.g. a tracked run-down like suggested in the measurement thread in my signature?
There are rumors (no proof) that devices "learn" about the battery and they can be reset in learning by doing as you suggested. I have not seen anything like this happen in the devices that I own. Charging when device is switched off is done by HW only (the chip) and the shutdown is purely guided by measured voltage. No space or logic for any sophisticated memory...
I don't care if you believe me, I only wanted to help, if you don't believe it - tough. All my phones work with original batteries, believe it or not.
I don't argue that original batteries work (they do best for me as well). My doubt is about the procedure to "train" the device to recognize batteries better and consequently deliver a better duty cycle after that.
My experiences are different. A "dead" battery stays as "dead" no matter what you do to it:
deep discharge (as much as possible) + recharge: no change
freezer treatment: no change
Everyone may try himself - no harm expected. My proposal just is to put the "improvement feeling" on a metric base, so just to measure it.
The problem with subjective observation is that your normal use patterns are so much depending on the environment (location, movement, device use) that they are never so identical that you can compare one week of use with another.
This is my first post on here,but I've been lurking for ages I just bought a Mugen 3200mAh battery from MugenBattery.com.I already know about not having to condition it(lithium ion),so I ignored the instructions about cycling it and plugged it in and used it right away,and at first it seemed okay for around an hour(I didnt use it at all up to this point,just left it there until I needed it).When I went to unlock my Vibrant from suspend(pushing on the power button),the phone shut off and seemed like it was rebooting...but it just had the first screen you see(the one with Samsung and Vibrant on it) blinking on and off,even when I plugged in the charger in this state,all that popped up was a battery that also blinked on and off.The only way to get it going again was to pull and replace the battery,and it went back on again...then did this all over again when it went into suspend and I tried to unlock it.All the while,the battery stated it had around 75% power,so I have no idea what could have caused this.I put my cheep chinese 2700mAh battery back in and all was well again,so I know its the battery,not the phone.Anyone else have or seen this problem before?This is the most expensive battrery I have ever purchased for a phone at $88.00US....I hate to think that a cheep($20.00US) chinese battery has better quality control than it....
i think you need to charge it for 12 hours first.
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Thanks,you were right! An overnight charge of around 12 hours did it.This is the first phone battery I had to do that with to get them to just work at all.Seems to work just fine now Again,thank you!
Let us know how long the battery is lasting once you get a few cycles please!
Yeah, you should run the battery dry, recharge, run dry, recharge and after a few cycles your life should improve.
Will do,just need a few days to do it,its lasting a looooong time!
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Yeah, you should run the battery dry, recharge, run dry, recharge and after a few cycles your life should improve.
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NO, NO, NO. PLEASE stop spreading bad information. This will HARM the battery, and will have 0 benefit. The only "benefit" you can get from this is that the battery meter on the phone's firmware will be calibrated to show a more correct remaining %. You can achieve the same by charging the phone 100% (overnight) going to clockwork recovery and selecting 'wipe battery stats'. Calibrated or not, the battery will last the same, regardless of what % left its showing.
Again for posterity, REPEATED DISCHARGING OF LI-ION BELOW 20% IS BAD FOR THE BATTERY, IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO GET BETTER.
I am having a similar issue with a battery that I ordered off of ebay. It's 3500mah.
When I plug it in it will turn off and get stuck in a boot loop on the vibrant screen, but if it is off then it won't turn on at all when plugged in. It has been plugged in for 9 hours so far and it doesn't even show the charging animation or anything.
Normal? Or is the battery defective?
Thanks.
Ok. After charging it overnight and still nothing, I'm going to assume its broken. Thanks.
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This is my first post on here,but I've been lurking for ages I just bought a Mugen 3200mAh battery from MugenBattery.com.I already know about not having to condition it(lithium ion),so I ignored the instructions about cycling it and plugged it in and used it right away,and at first it seemed okay for around an hour(I didnt use it at all up to this point,just left it there until I needed it).When I went to unlock my Vibrant from suspend(pushing on the power button),the phone shut off and seemed like it was rebooting...but it just had the first screen you see(the one with Samsung and Vibrant on it) blinking on and off,even when I plugged in the charger in this state,all that popped up was a battery that also blinked on and off.The only way to get it going again was to pull and replace the battery,and it went back on again...then did this all over again when it went into suspend and I tried to unlock it.All the while,the battery stated it had around 75% power,so I have no idea what could have caused this.I put my cheep chinese 2700mAh battery back in and all was well again,so I know its the battery,not the phone.Anyone else have or seen this problem before?This is the most expensive battrery I have ever purchased for a phone at $88.00US....I hate to think that a cheep($20.00US) chinese battery has better quality control than it....
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Not to derail, but how much weight does it add, and how well does the back cover fit on that big Mugen?
it fits good...
lincoln131 said:
Not to derail, but how much weight does it add, and how well does the back cover fit on that big Mugen?
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...and it does get a bit bulky,weight goes up to about double the amount,but it is so worth it,and then some!!I went from 6 hours on the stock battery to over 18 with the Mugen,and thats with heavy use(full brightness/live wallpaper,etc.).If you dont have access to a charger outside your home,this is a great buy,and you know the quality is there,unlike the uncertainty of the cheep chinese ones.Highly recommended!
The OS needs to learn your new battery. Just takes time and usage.
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just bought 3000 mah
just bought one from accessory geeks, it came 70% charged, and am updating battery stats after a full charge, during stat recalibration, power is iffy. will update, and am considering mugen. any suggestions?
I am not so sure about your information
Mannymal said:
NO, NO, NO. PLEASE stop spreading bad information. This will HARM the battery, and will have 0 benefit. The only "benefit" you can get from this is that the battery meter on the phone's firmware will be calibrated to show a more correct remaining %. You can achieve the same by charging the phone 100% (overnight) going to clockwork recovery and selecting 'wipe battery stats'. Calibrated or not, the battery will last the same, regardless of what % left its showing.
Again for posterity, REPEATED DISCHARGING OF LI-ION BELOW 20% IS BAD FOR THE BATTERY, IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO GET BETTER.
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I am not so sure about your information. This is what DHGate, a wholesale Chinese online store wrote about the 3000mah battery for Galaxy S [not MUGGEN!]
How to use a new battery:
1. First when you received the battery,. you need to release the power in the battery, just put it into your phone without charging.
2. After the battery power is out, please charge it about 12 hours in first three times.
3. So the battery will be actived. So you can just charge it about 5-7 hours when use in the further.
You can find the URL here:
http://www.dhgate.com/ems-free-i900...-back/p-ff8080812c87c8d9012c97f06d9410ea.html
I also recommend you to read the article "Everything You Need To Know About Bump Charging And Inconsistent Battery Drain" here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
So this a controversial matter, isn't it?
Roby
roby5167 said:
I am not so sure about your information. This is what DHGate, a wholesale Chinese online store wrote about the 3000mah battery for Galaxy S [not MUGGEN!]
How to use a new battery:
1. First when you received the battery,. you need to release the power in the battery, just put it into your phone without charging.
2. After the battery power is out, please charge it about 12 hours in first three times.
3. So the battery will be actived. So you can just charge it about 5-7 hours when use in the further.
You can find the URL here:
http://www.dhgate.com/ems-free-i900...-back/p-ff8080812c87c8d9012c97f06d9410ea.html
I also recommend you to read the article "Everything You Need To Know About Bump Charging And Inconsistent Battery Drain" here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
So this a controversial matter, isn't it?
Roby
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No controversies at all. Your info from the link is outright wrong.
Mannymal is correct on this one.
I also have this battery. By the time I got it, Team Whiskeys roms had gotten good enough to where I didn't need an extended battery for day to day use (stock battery usually has 30-40% when i go to bed), but I do use it when I travel, so I don't have to worry about using it like crazy. The battery lasts a long time, probably like 2 or 3 days if I actually tried to drain it, at least. And it's definitely adds bulk, but it's reasonably well made and feels sturdy.
My only complaint is that I sometimes cover the speaker with my finger when I want to silence it real quick, and it doesn't work with this because the cover's so far from the speaker. But that's just my weird thing.
Also, yeah, don't kill your battery. No es bueno.
What is this? How do I read?
What is this? How do I read?
I use a seido innocell battery and it works great after a few over night charges. I get about 8 hours average of talk time. The battery is pretty small compared to the one accessory greeks sell. Even though the ah battery ia twenty five dollars, that is like the entry level name brand battery, it will lady you a while longer than the cheap ones on ebay, but I don't knower about the ones on ebay although I do know about the one ag sells skies down charging after about 45 percent charging. The seido is charging pretty fast for me and is half the price of a mugen, the next battery I'm going to buy will be the nugent, not because I need it, just
Cause I want to enjoy it.
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All batteries are so used it. . . .
All batteries are so used it. . . .
Dunno how to say it in English but physically my battery is getting bigger, and when on battery low, it gives me the notification and the phone just turns of on the same second.
The battery is starting to be like a balloon and and hardly fits in the phone, can anyone tell me what's happening?
btw, I'm using the stock ROM now.
Your battery is bloated. Congratulations. To fix this, there is only one solution. Change your battery.
Sent from my 4.1 running Galaxy W.
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iDelta said:
Your battery is bloated. Congratulations. To fix this, there is only one solution. Change your battery.
Sent from my 4.1 running Galaxy W.
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Thanks for the reply, but does anyone knows why did this happen? My device is 1 year old last week, it shouldn't happen that fast I guess.
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Thanks for the reply, but does anyone knows why did this happen? My device is 1 year old last week, it shouldn't happen that fast I guess.
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there are many reasons why your battery is bloated .......... one of charging too much time away from his proper time, time you charge the phone you are using (playing games) .....
sorry with my english
Correct
hazikh said:
there are many reasons why your battery is bloated .......... one of charging too much time away from his proper time, time you charge the phone you are using (playing games) .....
sorry with my english
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I use it a lot while charging specially for games, and lots if times I had to charge it while it's still have more than 40%. OK lesson learned and the new battery will be treated differently. Thanks.
Osoris said:
I use it a lot while charging specially for games, and lots if times I had to charge it while it's still have more than 40%. OK lesson learned and the new battery will be treated differently. Thanks.
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Hi, found this on eHow and as automobile electrician dealing sometimes also with batteries i cannot confirm that your battery was bloated just because of playing games an charge phone at same time. Li-Ion cells don't like to be fully discharged. When u charge them before they go out of power is the best you can do to preserve their capacity.
Don't use your phone with silicon case when gaming because it can prevent air ventilation in the phone and cause it to heat up more when placed under heavy load like when playing games.
And now what can contibute to a battery bloatup:
Battery Components
• Most cell phone batteries contain a lithium-ion mixture. Lithium is an alkaline metal, and its ion simply has more electrons than protons. The battery also contains a positive and negative electrode, and when you use the battery, the lithium ions move from one to the other, creating an electric charge. Under normal circumstances, the lithium ions can continue to absorb and dissipate energy. However, if you expose the battery to certain conditions, its chemistry can change, causing undesirable effects.
Water Damage
• Your cell phone battery is extremely sensitive to water. The plastic casing provides some protection; however, if you expose the metal electrodes to water, they can corrode and become ineffective. Water leaking into the batteries case can cause it to appear bloated. Discard such a battery immediately because the lithium solvent can be harmful if you come into contact with it. If the phone has been submerged in water, this is usually enough to cause water damage to the battery if there is not a tight seal between the battery and the phone.
Heat Damage
• The lithium solvent that carries the charge from electrode to electrode is extremely sensitive to heat. If you expose the phone to temperatures that considerably exceed 77 degrees Fahrenheit, the battery may lose its ability to hold a charge over time. This is considered normal. However, if you consistently expose it to higher temperatures, then you can cause the lithium-ion mixture to rupture the cell, which can cause the battery to appear bloated. Most lithium-ion batteries contain fail-safes that prevent them from operating in extreme temperatures, but there is no guarantee that these will work in every case.
Prevention
• Prevent damage of this sort from occurring by not exposing your phone to extreme temperatures and unsafe environments. For example, do not bring your mobile phone near pools or inside of saunas. On hot summer days, keep the phone and other electronics out of direct sunlight.
try doctor battery, its available at the store free,
bhun said:
Hi, found this on eHow and as automobile electrician dealing sometimes also with batteries i cannot confirm that your battery was bloated just because of playing games an charge phone at same time.
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But I can confirm this. I´m having actually here 4 batteries for the SGW and one of them is bloated due to heavy usage while charging the battery. This battery was my best battery but now it´s just a paperweight. It´s still working well though it´s bloated, but I´m not going to risk anything.
You can´t simply compare a car with its lead battery to this device, because in the car the battery is just needed to start the car. Once the engine is running the battery is not needed as the generator is producing enough electricity for the entire car and to charge the not needed battery.
You can even remove the lead battery completely and just connect the car to a powerfull enough source to get it started. Onec its running, you can remove the source too and it will continue to run.
With the SGW and its LI-Ion battery things are a bit different. You for example can´t simply plug in the charger and turn the device on without the battery. The battery is still neeeded to power on the device for two reasons. First is the charger might be not strong enough to offer enough power but the obvious one is, the circuit inside the phone reduces the charging current to a max. level and the voltage to be 4.2V max. It acts like a constant current and constant voltage source where the preset max limits can´t be exeeded. The real charging current and voltage are depending to the charging level and the battery resistance, but will never exeed the max limits in a proper working circuit.
Additionally this circuit is feeding the battery directly, so the current is floating first into the battery and then the battery is feeding the entire device. So at heavy usage the power offered by the circuit will be not enough to be simply passed to the device and so the battery will be stressed twice, as it´s charging and discharging at the same time.
This is still a simplyfied explanation to what is really going on, but explains a little bit why you can´t compare a car with it´s battery to this device.
Also, the batteries for the SGW do not offer it´s own protection circuit. The only circuit that protects the battery is build in into the phone.
So the best advice that can be given here is to avoid heavy usage while the battery is being charged. Better charge it first, use it then and recharge when not in use.
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Lithium is an alkaline metal, and its ion simply has more electrons than protons.
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I´m not sure where you digged this out, but this is simply not the full truth. In neutral stage each element is having as much electrons as much protons it has. Ions are either having temporaly more or less electrons. They can be ionized positive or negative.
In a normal Li-Ion battery it´s the anode that consists of lithium and is having positive lithium ions, so less electrons than protons.
In a lead battery both, the anode and the cathode consist of lead. One is positive ionized and the other one negative.
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But I can confirm this. I´m having actually here 4 batteries for the SGW and one of them is bloated due to heavy usage while charging the battery. This battery was my best battery but now it´s just a paperweight. It´s still working well though it´s bloated, but I´m not going to risk anything.
You can´t simply compare a car with its lead battery to this device, because in the car the battery is just needed to start the car. Once the engine is running the battery is not needed as the generator is producing enough electricity for the entire car and to charge the not needed battery.
You can even remove the lead battery completely and just connect the car to a powerfull enough source to get it started. Onec its running, you can remove the source too and it will continue to run.
With the SGW and its LI-Ion battery things are a bit different. You for example can´t simply plug in the charger and turn the device on without the battery. The battery is still neeeded to power on the device for two reasons. First is the charger might be not strong enough to offer enough power but the obvious one is, the circuit inside the phone reduces the charging current to a max. level and the voltage to be 4.2V max. It acts like a constant current and constant voltage source where the preset max limits can´t be exeeded. The real charging current and voltage are depending to the charging level and the battery resistance, but will never exeed the max limits in a proper working circuit.
Additionally this circuit is feeding the battery directly, so the current is floating first into the battery and then the battery is feeding the entire device. So at heavy usage the power offered by the circuit will be not enough to be simply passed to the device and so the battery will be stressed twice, as it´s charging and discharging at the same time.
This is still a simplyfied explanation to what is really going on, but explains a little bit why you can´t compare a car with it´s battery to this device.
Also, the batteries for the SGW do not offer it´s own protection circuit. The only circuit that protects the battery is build in into the phone.
So the best advice that can be given here is to avoid heavy usage while the battery is being charged. Better charge it first, use it then and recharge when not in use.
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Sorry if it souded as i would compare a Li-Ion to a lead battery. I was actually not doing that. By that i meant that i understand somewhat of batteries. I've learned about batteries (how different types work) back in school. All Li-Ion based batteries have their own protecting circuit. It is not depending on the phone. This circuit built in every Li-Ion based battery prevents it from beeing overcharged, wich would result in the battery exploding. It also gives the phone a limited feedback on battery charge status, and perhaps somewhat potecting the battery to be fully drained wich would result in irreversible damage to the cells. I agree with you that it is better to charge when not using them, but in real life this is not easy to do when you (by what cause ever) want or have to use your device. I am not a gamer so i am not using my phone that way.
Since i am using my phone lots of times plugged on a charger, making phonecalls and doing other stuff like email, surfing the web, watching videos and so on, and never get close to that issue (battery is almost 2 years old) i still don't think that that would be the biggest problem.
On hot days is it not recommended to use our devices with heavy loads, ofcourse you could climb into the fridge (may not be a problem then), and it is also advised to avoid humidity. That's all i know for now, that it would contribute to a bloated battery.
Sorry if i unattendedly caused some confusion.
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Sorry if it souded as i would compare a Li-Ion to a lead battery.
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No problem, I´m just trying to clarify this
but with this I have to disagree
bhun said:
All Li-Ion based batteries have their own protecting circuit. It is not depending on the phone. This circuit built in every Li-Ion based battery prevents it from beeing overcharged, wich would result in the battery exploding. It also gives the phone a limited feedback on battery charge status, and perhaps somewhat potecting the battery to be fully drained wich would result in irreversible damage to the cells
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Not all Li-Ion batteries have their own protection ciurcuit. Only the protected ones. Do a search on google about protected and not protected Li-Ion batteries.
In cellphones most batteries are not protected ones because of the circuit taking to much space and so incrasing the battery size a lot. Therefore the protection circuit gets moved into the phone but the battery itself is not protected at all. In most batteries the feedback you will only get is the temperature. It´s mostly a simple thermistor either being somwhere close to the battery or inside the battery. The rest is calculated by knowing the capacity and monitoring the voltage and current drain.
So the only circuit you will find in not protected batteries is the one for reading the thermistor, if there is one build in. But this circuit will not protect the battery against a short circuit.
Just to not confuse about this. There are of course protected batteries for cellphones as long the circuit can fit into the part where the connections are.
But the truth is this circuit can fail to disconnect the battery from a short circuit and there are even batteries with fake protection. So there is a pcb with a circuit, but this is just fake and doing nothing.
However regarding this discussion about bloated batteries it doesn´t matter the battery has a protection circuit or not. The protection circuit only disconnects the battery if a short circuit occurs or the battery voltage drops below 3V.
Buy a new battery.
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iDelta said:
Your battery is bloated. Congratulations. To fix this, there is only one solution. Change your battery.
Sent from my 4.1 running Galaxy W.
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That is the best answer for your problem, maybe to alot of overcharge :angel:
Does anyone have any direct experience (not hearsay) or a link to anyone who has actually done actual testing on any replacement batteries.
Ideally, something like what Richard Lloyd has done on youtube to test 18650 batteries.
*** As we can use the google machine, please refrain from links saying "this battery sucks" or "this is the best ever!". Reviews on amazon, ebay, aliexpress and others can be bought for pennies.
It would be great to see someone doing math and using electrical measurements, not what an app reports. ***
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So, two-ish years later and my unlocked HTC 10's battery is starting to go.
I'm using the latest build of Leedroid's rom and no, it is not the rom.
I have replaced batteries in the past and feel like I should give it a shot even though HTC made it a b*tch to change.
Why I'm asking: I changed the battery on a past phone and it worked pretty well for 6-ish months. Then, it exploded and cracked the lcd and g glass screen.
So, trying to avoid that.
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Facts (as I understand them):
We cannot get a real / genuine HTC 10 battery.
HTC does not sell them.
Anything labeled as such is most likely a Chinese fraud or an actual HTC 10 battery that failed their internal inspection process.
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Does anyone have any experience with the replacement batteries that are for sale on Aliexpress?
Part number: B2PS6100
Brands (stickers?):
Cameron Sino 3000mAh
HSABAT 4300mAh
Ciszean 3000mAh
LOSONCOER 4300mAh
XINBONG 4000mAh
Dxqioo 3000mah
etc....
What buyer did you get your best / working battery from? Details please!
Has anyone ever gotten a reading of more than 3000mah that lasts?
I've read on oneplus forums that many replacement batteries often only provide ~80% of the real battery when new and fully charged (mAh).
Many have concluded that batteries that fail their inspection process are not properly recycled and are being re-branded and sold under new names / stickers.
Comments welcome, hopefully my caveats at the beginning didn't scare off everyone.
Thanks in advance!
Mine is also 18 months old and looking for some alternatives . Hope somebody gonna help us.
I've done mine got it from repairbase.co.uk but haven't done any tests on it other than what an app called acubattery which estimates it's capacity as 2868. I've never fully charged it got it set to only go to 75% in the hope that it'll last longer than the original.
Ref the actual swap it wasn't that bad,
I heated the screen on a microwaved wheat bag
used some suction cup pliers to lift the screen
Cut the glue with a guitar pick
Made a simple diagram on a bit of cardboard to stick the screws in.
I took all the tape off completely stored on a bit of greaseproof paper and was really careful with the screen ribbon.
I replaced my own battery.
I replaced my own battery. I bought it off of ebay from a seller in the US. My phone used to have random boot loops now that no longer happens.
It was difficult. Heating the display and pulling off is a problem. I actually broke my display and severed my ribbon cable for the sim. I replaced those parts and battery change was successful. Now the only issue is the adhesive is not sticking that great. Nothing that affects anything. I just see how the screen slightly gives just a little bit. I do not recommend the double stick tape. Get the special glue!!! Something with a 7000 in the name.
I will be reheating a gluing it in the future. I dread working on this phone. Although I am not a professional I think I did a pretty good job. Other phones are much easier to repair.
I DID NOT notice a super improvement in battery life. My new battery was now back to "Ok" battery life instead of terrible no more bootloops at 20% or when camera is open. There is a problem with the HTC 10 with the cpu using to much, along with wakelocks and wifi. I really wish HTC would address these issues.
I installed LEEDROID have not switched kernal yet. I have getting over 4hours and 30 minutes of on screen time. If I change the kernel and throttle the cpu I may be able to get a little more. The goal is 5 hours.
I am NOT an EXPERT. I am a smart individual through trial and error that can figure many things out. I like to get the most out of my technology I'm not ready to get a new phone. My phone is primarily used for Audiobooks, Youtube, web browsing, texting.
i wanted to replace my battery... but after watching this video i've lost all my motivation ^^
as soon as my battery starts to crash at low percentage i'll take another look at it ^^
Anything labeled as such is most likely a Chinese fraud or an actual HTC 10 battery that failed their internal inspection process.
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Oh.... and i always tought these batteries are from the same manufacturer as the original one but somehow stolen/bought directly at the manufacturing site and sold by private persons.
It is really hard to distinguish a real battery from a fake...
But to know if your battery is full/new or not the only way is an external discharge test.
I've tought about buying one of these https://www.ebay.ch/itm/ZB2L3-Batte...560532?hash=item25e6002a94:g:ag4AAOSwmnFZ4hxs
But it says 3A ... which is a bit much for this poor phone battery.
Having a functioning temperature sensor is critical to the stability and safety of the battery. If you've replaced your battery, use an app like Accubattery to verify the following: an existing thermistor will read a fluctuation in temps anywhere from 20-50C based on usage and ambient heat. Most (all?) of the batteries sold online have only a resistor which will send various inaccurate readings to the phone, typically 25C while charging, and a jump to 35-38C while unplugged (if the plugging/unplugging makes no sudden difference, try putting your phone in the freezer, or going between idle and heavy use to test).
If your replacement battery has an accurate temp sensor, please add to the discussion by telling us where you purchased it.
i bought HSABAT 4300mAh from aliexpress,i replaced the battery .will share with you guys here the results
Shame it's so much effort to change battery my wifes phone always turns off at around 21% now and she doesn't like any of the newer phones most are too big this htc 10 was the max she would go to.
My guess is that a lot of people are going to try in the coming 2-6 months as their battery starts to weaken.
Phone is great. Processor is fast enough and camera is great.
My hope is that we can gather real info and start to get good intel on these battery brands (?).
I don't think changing the battery is particularly easy, but it can be done. (See YouTube)
That being said, I don't want to have to do it more than once.
I hope more people chime in, because I guess many have already and many more will be doing it.
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Shame it's so much effort to change battery my wifes phone always turns off at around 21% now and she doesn't like any of the newer phones most are too big this htc 10 was the max she would go to.
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i bought HSABAT 4300mAh from aliexpress,i replaced the battery .will share with you guys here the results
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I am planning to buy the same..... hope you have a positive feedback about it..
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I am planning to buy the same..... hope you have a positive feedback about it..
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let me finish first tests , i will share results asap.im planning to do coming weekend.
Hi there, finally I got possibility to check battery performance which I bought from aliexpress.when I compare it with my brothers 2 years old HTC 10 ,battery is better than his phone. I did HTC battery test.mine was 92% but his was 80% .
I didn't experienced yet daily use. I will update u.
alicine said:
Hi there, finally I got possibility to check battery performance which I bought from aliexpress.when I compare it with my brothers 2 years old HTC 10 ,battery is better than his phone. I did HTC battery test.mine was 92% but his was 80% .
I didn't experienced yet daily use. I will update u.
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yo dawg, any news? i'm very eager to read it.
peace
Hey @alicine. I'm really curious about the battery and want to buy it. I have some questions and would really appreciate if you could answer them.
1) Has it exploded yet?
2) Is it the advertised 4300 mAh capasity?
3) How did you make it fit inside the shell? Is it the same dimensions as the 3000 mAh ones?
4) How long does it take to charge & does it still support fast charging?
5) How many hours of SoT are you getting now? (which ROM you're in that would help too)
Thanks in advance.
Tips from experience on M7
One thing about lithion batteries . . . they lose a bit of capacity just sitting on the shelf as matter of simple, natural deterioration. So to a certain extent, the newer the better.
When I replaced the battery on my HTC One M7 it was a similar challenge. My approach to buying a battery was to look closely at the photos and see what the date was on the battery for sale as it should be printed on it. (Some of the sellers don't even know that.) I tried to get the most plausibly recently made battery, within reason. By that I mean, I was concerned that for an older phone there might not be any batteries recently manufactured for it, so a very recently dated battery might be fraudulently remarked/re-dated. If I wasn't sure I queried the seller to find out if they knew what the battery's date was.
I'm not sure my theory is correct about which date battery to shoot for, but I'm still going with that line of thinking
Hi, what about the battery performance with daily use?
@numpaque
I'm not sure what the question is there - batteries lose charge as you use them, then need recharging.
What do you want to know again ?
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Hey @alicine. I'm really curious about the battery and want to buy it. I have some questions and would really appreciate if you could answer them.
1) Has it exploded yet?
2) Is it the advertised 4300 mAh capasity?
3) How did you make it fit inside the shell? Is it the same dimensions as the 3000 mAh ones?
4) How long does it take to charge & does it still support fast charging?
5) How many hours of SoT are you getting now? (which ROM you're in that would help too)
Thanks in advance.
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1-No its not exploded yet, its working very well
2-I guess no , because im having same SoT as i get it when i first buy the phone
3-I removed the screen first,then one by one other compenents.Dimensions are the same
4-Its takin 50-60 mins to charge from %5 to full
6-Stock rom 4-4.5 hours depend on the use
I sent my HTC-10 in for battery replacement through the official service in Germany. This was approx. 6 weeks before my warranty ran out.
Battery performance was really bad with SOT of around 2 hrs, and random shut downs at 20-40% battery capacity.
After 2-3 weeks it came back, and according the delivery paper the battery has been replaced.
But regrettably no improvement could be notified.
So I sent it back again and got it back within approx. 1 week. This time they had replaced the side keys on the Phone, but even this time I could not find any improvement of the battery performance.
So I claimed it a third time, and sent it to the official service again. But now my 24 months warranty was gone….However they still accepted this as a Warranty claim and when I got my phone back after approx. 2-3 weeks it had a new battery, and a new screen.
Since then, the battery performance is good and my phone works more or less like a new one.
I get SOT between 4-5 hrs and no more shut downs and boot loops using stock Oreo.
hansing
hansing said:
I sent my HTC-10 in for battery replacement through the official service in Germany. This was approx. 6 weeks before my warranty ran out.
Battery performance was really bad with SOT of around 2 hrs, and random shut downs at 20-40% battery capacity.
After 2-3 weeks it came back, and according the delivery paper the battery has been replaced.
But regrettably no improvement could be notified.
So I sent it back again and got it back within approx. 1 week. This time they had replaced the side keys on the Phone, but even this time I could not find any improvement of the battery performance.
So I claimed it a third time, and sent it to the official service again. But now my 24 months warranty was gone….However they still accepted this as a Warranty claim and when I got my phone back after approx. 2-3 weeks it had a new battery, and a new screen.
Since then, the battery performance is good and my phone works more or less like a new one.
I get SOT between 4-5 hrs and no more shut downs and boot loops using stock Oreo.
hansing
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got the same issues and replaced battery from official htc service.
well sot was around 3h when i first bought it.now its 4h and battery still 48%.
frined buy it from the same shop 1 week after me and he still got 4h+ sot.so i guess some devices sold with deflected battery?