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And it doesn't seem to charge pat 70%. I'll leave it on the charger until it is at 100% (not 90% like some people have issues with), and then when I take it off, within 2-3 hours I am down to anywhere from 72-68%. This isn't with heavy use, for example this morning it has been off for 2 hours, it is at 75% and I did nothing with it except read one email.
Just testing things out, I charged it while the phone was off, and it seemed to discharge slower.
Is this a common thing with these batteries or is mine somehow defective?
Thanks.
Did you recalibrate the battery in your recovery? Charge to full, boot recovery, wipe battery stats, then let it run till it dies.
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Did you recalibrate the battery in your recovery? Charge to full, boot recovery, wipe battery stats, then let it run till it dies.
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I did, but I might try that again. It may not have been actually at 100% (I didn't turn it off, because I didn't know about the issue when I calibrated).
All the other threads had the answer but.....
The driver that has the stats for the 3500mah battery isn't there.
They only included the driver with stats for 1500mah.
If you want to fully charge the battery, you have to do it externally. Even with phone powered off, it may not fully do it.
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All the other threads had the answer but.....
The driver that has the stats for the 3500mah battery isn't there.
They only included the driver with stats for 1500mah.
If you want to fully charge the battery, you have to do it externally. Even with phone powered off, it may not fully do it.
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+1.
The evo can't charge the seidio or any non-htc battery properly. Get an external charger and watch your battery life increase with every charge. I don't even wipe battery stats anymore.
Compusmurf said:
All the other threads had the answer but.....
The driver that has the stats for the 3500mah battery isn't there.
They only included the driver with stats for 1500mah.
If you want to fully charge the battery, you have to do it externally. Even with phone powered off, it may not fully do it.
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That would make sense... I might ditch it then, if I can't reliably charge it 100% because the battery door is pretty hard to remove compared to the stock one and I don't want to end up breaking it one day.
Is that something that would be in the ROM? I'm just wondering if it's worth holding out hope for someone to write a driver for it in CM6 or something.
Yeah I just let it charge until it turned green, turned it off and let it charge until green again (another half hour or so), unplugged it and did it again and it is now at 89% after literally just wiping the battery stats and booting up.
Maybe I'm just being too neurotic about it. It lasts 2 days, I guess I should be happy, but with the stock battery I got 30-36 hours using CM6 and Snap, so I was hoping for more than that.
Been having similar issues did a full wipe the last Rom I loaded and now two hours after unplugged I'm still at 100% so who knows.
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That would make sense... I might ditch it then, if I can't reliably charge it 100% because the battery door is pretty hard to remove compared to the stock one and I don't want to end up breaking it one day.
Is that something that would be in the ROM? I'm just wondering if it's worth holding out hope for someone to write a driver for it in CM6 or something.
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It's hard to say if it's in the rom because the evo itself will not charge any non-htc battery correctly even when it is turned off. It seems there are both hardware and software controls to ensure nothing but the evo battery gets charged correctly.
Here is what I did about the battery door http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=786101
The fact that this battery has been out for so long, so many people have it, and HTC knows about this flaw and hasnt done anything about it is absolutely pitiful and HTC should be ashamed of themselves.
As everyone has said, the only way to get a proper 100 charge is in an external charger. The closest way to to do it in the phone is to leave the phone charging overnight, unplug it when you wake up, and plug it in about 5 minutes later to top it off. Youll get close but it still wont be true 100.
Either way, the only way to properly charge any extended battery for the evo is in a wall charger.
dang i should have canceled my order. Seidio's stupid cancellation policy made me not do it. "cancellations after 2 hrs incur a fee" Now im going to have a Evo with a pot belly and a empty stomach. BS
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dang i should have canceled my order. Seidio's stupid cancellation policy made me not do it. "cancellations after 2 hrs incur a fee" Now im going to have a Evo with a pot belly and a empty stomach. BS
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If you can get it charged properly youll be happy with it. You just have to work around HTC's dumbness.
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If you can get it charged properly youll be happy with it. You just have to work around HTC's dumbness.
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Yeah it seems like I guess it's mostly HTC's fault in this manner. I'm back on the stock battery for now. I might just keep the extended battery at ~60 (apparently the best way to store Lithium Ion) and when I plan on heading out for a weekend trip or something like that, I'll charge the battery up and put that in my phone.
For everyday use, having to remove the battery to charge it sucks.
What would be ideal is if HTC allowed you to key in the MAH of the battery you have installed in your phone or something along those lines to ensure the battery gets charged correctly . I know its a long stretch but hey I can dream ROFL . This charging bug has been the one major thing preventing me from getting an extended battery . I have toyed with the idea of getting a chinese one for cheap just to play around with and so forth but not to drop the cash Seidio wants for theirs . HTC needs to address the charging issue anyways , most users that use a wall charger for their stock batteries have reported improved battery life . Its sad when a cheap wall charger from china out performs charging a battery better than a 600 dollar phone is able to .
I dug thru the code for the battery driver. There seems to be 3-4 different driver sets, but all are 1500mah or less.
It's been many, many years since I programmed, but the structure has an array of temps, max, min MAH, charge rate, and quite a few other specifics relating to battery.
I'm not sure the logic between the charge circuit, the battery and how it knows which battery is inserted, but some of this info is parsed into the logs while it's charging.
A decent programmer could probably code and recompile this into the OS. That programmer isn't ME. I switched to engineering and networking too long ago to remember enough not to blow stuff up.
This is the one thing keeping me from purchasing a hicap battery. Good to hear that it is software related though. Maybe if they got a pool going some enterprising dev will take a whack at it. Disclaimers work
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I dug thru the code for the battery driver. There seems to be 3-4 different driver sets, but all are 1500mah or less.
It's been many, many years since I programmed, but the structure has an array of temps, max, min MAH, charge rate, and quite a few other specifics relating to battery.
I'm not sure the logic between the charge circuit, the battery and how it knows which battery is inserted, but some of this info is parsed into the logs while it's charging.
A decent programmer could probably code and recompile this into the OS. That programmer isn't ME. I switched to engineering and networking too long ago to remember enough not to blow stuff up.
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im wondering if cyanogen and co can work their magic
I'm quite sure they and many others could, but not everyone has the Seidio battery, compared to the numbers of EVO users.
It's probably not worth their time and effort to bother.
What WOULD be nice is if the Seidio folks had programmers instead of just sales folks and could code their own patch for their own products.
I won't be holding my breath tho for any solution. it's ok for me, I have the external charger from my TP2 days. Plus spare batteries as well and don't mind switching when needed. I knew of the issue and was prepared for it before purchasing.
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I'm quite sure they and many others could, but not everyone has the Seidio battery, compared to the numbers of EVO users.
It's probably not worth their time and effort to bother.
What WOULD be nice is if the Seidio folks had programmers instead of just sales folks and could code their own patch for their own products.
I won't be holding my breath tho for any solution. it's ok for me, I have the external charger from my TP2 days. Plus spare batteries as well and don't mind switching when needed. I knew of the issue and was prepared for it before purchasing.
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Yeah I wasn't so much prepared for it. I heard a few things about it, but nothing solid for sure, I should have done some more research. All the reviews on websites were glowing, but I usually take that with a grain of salt.
Too bad even if Seidio had programmers, I'm on CM6 so that wouldn't help me too much haha. On my stock battery I'm getting around 24-28 hours which is plenty fine I guess. Not looking forward to when the battery starts losing its maximum charge, though.
So i don't have an external charger...but i followed the instructions via seidio...
heres what i got:
Rom: CM6 Final Stable
SetCPU: 245/1152 Conservative (Freq Step = 10)
Took phone off charger (from phone) aat 5:30AM
will post back later today with results (hopefully good)
This is my first post on here,but I've been lurking for ages I just bought a Mugen 3200mAh battery from MugenBattery.com.I already know about not having to condition it(lithium ion),so I ignored the instructions about cycling it and plugged it in and used it right away,and at first it seemed okay for around an hour(I didnt use it at all up to this point,just left it there until I needed it).When I went to unlock my Vibrant from suspend(pushing on the power button),the phone shut off and seemed like it was rebooting...but it just had the first screen you see(the one with Samsung and Vibrant on it) blinking on and off,even when I plugged in the charger in this state,all that popped up was a battery that also blinked on and off.The only way to get it going again was to pull and replace the battery,and it went back on again...then did this all over again when it went into suspend and I tried to unlock it.All the while,the battery stated it had around 75% power,so I have no idea what could have caused this.I put my cheep chinese 2700mAh battery back in and all was well again,so I know its the battery,not the phone.Anyone else have or seen this problem before?This is the most expensive battrery I have ever purchased for a phone at $88.00US....I hate to think that a cheep($20.00US) chinese battery has better quality control than it....
i think you need to charge it for 12 hours first.
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Thanks,you were right! An overnight charge of around 12 hours did it.This is the first phone battery I had to do that with to get them to just work at all.Seems to work just fine now Again,thank you!
Let us know how long the battery is lasting once you get a few cycles please!
Yeah, you should run the battery dry, recharge, run dry, recharge and after a few cycles your life should improve.
Will do,just need a few days to do it,its lasting a looooong time!
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Yeah, you should run the battery dry, recharge, run dry, recharge and after a few cycles your life should improve.
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NO, NO, NO. PLEASE stop spreading bad information. This will HARM the battery, and will have 0 benefit. The only "benefit" you can get from this is that the battery meter on the phone's firmware will be calibrated to show a more correct remaining %. You can achieve the same by charging the phone 100% (overnight) going to clockwork recovery and selecting 'wipe battery stats'. Calibrated or not, the battery will last the same, regardless of what % left its showing.
Again for posterity, REPEATED DISCHARGING OF LI-ION BELOW 20% IS BAD FOR THE BATTERY, IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO GET BETTER.
I am having a similar issue with a battery that I ordered off of ebay. It's 3500mah.
When I plug it in it will turn off and get stuck in a boot loop on the vibrant screen, but if it is off then it won't turn on at all when plugged in. It has been plugged in for 9 hours so far and it doesn't even show the charging animation or anything.
Normal? Or is the battery defective?
Thanks.
Ok. After charging it overnight and still nothing, I'm going to assume its broken. Thanks.
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This is my first post on here,but I've been lurking for ages I just bought a Mugen 3200mAh battery from MugenBattery.com.I already know about not having to condition it(lithium ion),so I ignored the instructions about cycling it and plugged it in and used it right away,and at first it seemed okay for around an hour(I didnt use it at all up to this point,just left it there until I needed it).When I went to unlock my Vibrant from suspend(pushing on the power button),the phone shut off and seemed like it was rebooting...but it just had the first screen you see(the one with Samsung and Vibrant on it) blinking on and off,even when I plugged in the charger in this state,all that popped up was a battery that also blinked on and off.The only way to get it going again was to pull and replace the battery,and it went back on again...then did this all over again when it went into suspend and I tried to unlock it.All the while,the battery stated it had around 75% power,so I have no idea what could have caused this.I put my cheep chinese 2700mAh battery back in and all was well again,so I know its the battery,not the phone.Anyone else have or seen this problem before?This is the most expensive battrery I have ever purchased for a phone at $88.00US....I hate to think that a cheep($20.00US) chinese battery has better quality control than it....
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Not to derail, but how much weight does it add, and how well does the back cover fit on that big Mugen?
it fits good...
lincoln131 said:
Not to derail, but how much weight does it add, and how well does the back cover fit on that big Mugen?
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...and it does get a bit bulky,weight goes up to about double the amount,but it is so worth it,and then some!!I went from 6 hours on the stock battery to over 18 with the Mugen,and thats with heavy use(full brightness/live wallpaper,etc.).If you dont have access to a charger outside your home,this is a great buy,and you know the quality is there,unlike the uncertainty of the cheep chinese ones.Highly recommended!
The OS needs to learn your new battery. Just takes time and usage.
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just bought 3000 mah
just bought one from accessory geeks, it came 70% charged, and am updating battery stats after a full charge, during stat recalibration, power is iffy. will update, and am considering mugen. any suggestions?
I am not so sure about your information
Mannymal said:
NO, NO, NO. PLEASE stop spreading bad information. This will HARM the battery, and will have 0 benefit. The only "benefit" you can get from this is that the battery meter on the phone's firmware will be calibrated to show a more correct remaining %. You can achieve the same by charging the phone 100% (overnight) going to clockwork recovery and selecting 'wipe battery stats'. Calibrated or not, the battery will last the same, regardless of what % left its showing.
Again for posterity, REPEATED DISCHARGING OF LI-ION BELOW 20% IS BAD FOR THE BATTERY, IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO GET BETTER.
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I am not so sure about your information. This is what DHGate, a wholesale Chinese online store wrote about the 3000mah battery for Galaxy S [not MUGGEN!]
How to use a new battery:
1. First when you received the battery,. you need to release the power in the battery, just put it into your phone without charging.
2. After the battery power is out, please charge it about 12 hours in first three times.
3. So the battery will be actived. So you can just charge it about 5-7 hours when use in the further.
You can find the URL here:
http://www.dhgate.com/ems-free-i900...-back/p-ff8080812c87c8d9012c97f06d9410ea.html
I also recommend you to read the article "Everything You Need To Know About Bump Charging And Inconsistent Battery Drain" here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
So this a controversial matter, isn't it?
Roby
roby5167 said:
I am not so sure about your information. This is what DHGate, a wholesale Chinese online store wrote about the 3000mah battery for Galaxy S [not MUGGEN!]
How to use a new battery:
1. First when you received the battery,. you need to release the power in the battery, just put it into your phone without charging.
2. After the battery power is out, please charge it about 12 hours in first three times.
3. So the battery will be actived. So you can just charge it about 5-7 hours when use in the further.
You can find the URL here:
http://www.dhgate.com/ems-free-i900...-back/p-ff8080812c87c8d9012c97f06d9410ea.html
I also recommend you to read the article "Everything You Need To Know About Bump Charging And Inconsistent Battery Drain" here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
So this a controversial matter, isn't it?
Roby
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No controversies at all. Your info from the link is outright wrong.
Mannymal is correct on this one.
I also have this battery. By the time I got it, Team Whiskeys roms had gotten good enough to where I didn't need an extended battery for day to day use (stock battery usually has 30-40% when i go to bed), but I do use it when I travel, so I don't have to worry about using it like crazy. The battery lasts a long time, probably like 2 or 3 days if I actually tried to drain it, at least. And it's definitely adds bulk, but it's reasonably well made and feels sturdy.
My only complaint is that I sometimes cover the speaker with my finger when I want to silence it real quick, and it doesn't work with this because the cover's so far from the speaker. But that's just my weird thing.
Also, yeah, don't kill your battery. No es bueno.
What is this? How do I read?
What is this? How do I read?
I use a seido innocell battery and it works great after a few over night charges. I get about 8 hours average of talk time. The battery is pretty small compared to the one accessory greeks sell. Even though the ah battery ia twenty five dollars, that is like the entry level name brand battery, it will lady you a while longer than the cheap ones on ebay, but I don't knower about the ones on ebay although I do know about the one ag sells skies down charging after about 45 percent charging. The seido is charging pretty fast for me and is half the price of a mugen, the next battery I'm going to buy will be the nugent, not because I need it, just
Cause I want to enjoy it.
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All batteries are so used it. . . .
All batteries are so used it. . . .
Just got it in the mail - had pre-ordered it from Mobile Fun about two weeks ago.
Someone else posted pics already, but couldn't find the thread - here are my own.
Note, the case acts as a battery charger, and starts delivery electricity as soon as you put the phone in. There is no switch on it. I'll have to see in the coming days, but it looks like it's necessary to only put the pack on when you need it.
Things I fear but may be unfounded:
it won't be practical to leave the case on at all times
need an extra charger to charge them seperatly and efficiently
I hope I'm wrong, and hope I can just keep it on at all times, and charge both the battery and phone at the same time using one charger.
Thanks to Eiraku posting in this thread, I was able to find the original thread for this battery pack:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1110441
Mods please feel free to merge subjects.
Here are more pics
Isnt it a bit harmful to always have the battery at 100% charge level and even have trickle charge, they should have implemented a switch or at least some control mechanism to have it start charging only at around 50-80%
I think you're right, and indeed, the case start charging the phone even if the phone's battery is full.
From the manual:
"When not in use, remove your phone from the power pack."
Kinda of a let down. But I'm still happy to have it for my asian trip at the end of the week - electricity will sometimes be a luxury.
The purpose of this case is kinda moot if it does not have a switch and cant be kept in use.
Thanxs for the pics...I ordered this case from expansys a month ago and am still waiting on it to ship. Looks great.
So what is the purpose of this button
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So what is the purpose of this button
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There IS no such button. Only the battery tester button (which is useless).
Cost cutting, Samsung? You delayed the battery pack to remove that freaking power toggle?
Personally I can't wait for PowerSkin to come up with something better (OR that urban legend official 2000mah internal extended battery with new cover to come out). But as of rite now, I'll take what I can get.
To OP: thanks for the nice pics. They're much better than mine anyway. And welcome to the club!
There is indeed a button as indicated on the pic you have there, but on mine, it doesn't quite look like that. There is no marking on it or next to it - it's a simple push button which function is to indicate battery level. When you push it, the battery indicator will light up green, blue or red according to its energy level.
The pic you have may be a prototype or maybe a different version other people are going to get?
Without power toggle
I will cancel the order
Guys,
Surely just because there is more power available behind the standard battery, doesn't mean the phone will suddenly start drawing more power from it?. A car doesn't consume more petrol when the tank is full... how would this be any different to putting a ...say 2000 mAH battery (if it becomes available) instead of the original OEM battery??..
More mAH added by the sleeve should give extra run time...
Riz
I'm no electrician, but I like the full tank analogy.
Imagine the tank is full, but let's say I keep pouring fuel in the tank while the engine is running ... kinda of a waste as the extra fuel will spill - not to mention the danger.
So the question here, if the energy or extra energy delivered by the battery isn't being consumed, is it wasted? Is there danger if there is "spillage" in the form of heat? This phone can already get incredibly hot it you use it as a GPS for an extended period of time.
I'm still concerned about what the manual says about removing the pack when unused.
Actually, I have all confidence that this is a "smart" charger, in the sense that it will only top up the internal battery as necessary.
Using it as an "extender", I have no issues getting 3-4h extra on really heavy, constant screen on 3g surfing. It didn't even get hot at all, so power was NOT needlessly drained.
As a "charger", I got from 6% to about 42% from a fully charged extpack. In this config, the case did get quite warm, which indicated that it was quickly expending its reserves to charge the SGS2.
For a 1300-ish mah pack, this is more then consistant performance in my book, from my experinces from owning multiple iPhone 4 batt cases.
Only issue is with the lack of power toggle, there's much less flexibility allowed. You can't choose to keep the extpack as an emergency reserve UNLESS you take it out.
Also, it only takes in 700ma (the Samsung charger is rated at 750) and gives out 650ma, which means that in the event that you are charging a fully depleted extpack and say a 50% power left SGS2, the charging of the extpack will take FOREVER (phone first, then case).
But charging the SGS2 takes forever to begin with, so...
I'm no electrician myself...
But... about the car engine.... there are fuel governor controllers which only allow enough fuel as is needed to enter the combustion chamber...
but.... we talk of batteries... the way electrons work.... my understanding is...
flow of electrons is decided by the potential differnece available for them to travel across.. the higher the potential difference... the more electrons would flow...
So, lets say... the SGS2 has a power consumption of 100 milli-amps (based on whatver the volgtae rating is).... a 100 mah battery would run it for 1 hour... a 500 mah battery would run it for 5 and so on....
Adding a battery in parallel.... would not increase the power consumption from the original spec'd power requirement of 100 milli-amps... it'll just increase the total amperes available to run the device... so.... more ampere-hours available... hence longer hours available to run the phone
Quite simply, it is similar to leaving your phone connected to the charger... I'm sure most of do this every night for the duration of the night....
leave the phone connected to the charger... i.e.
Ars Technica has a good article on batteries. It basically says this thing should have a power button!
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...-is-the-best-way-to-use-an-li-ion-battery.ars
"On the other end of the spectrum, keeping a Li-ion battery fully charged is not good for it either. This isn't because Li-ion batteries can get "overcharged" (something that people used to worry about in The Olden Days of portable computers), but a Li-ion battery that doesn't get used will suffer from capacity loss, meaning that it won't be able to hold as much charge and power your gadgets for as long. Extremely shallow discharges of only a couple percent are also not enough to keep a Li-ion battery in practice, so if you're going to pull the plug, let the battery run down for a little bit. "
I believe that the phone, like the iphone, and most laptops, don't fully throttle their devices on battery. So maybe when it's plugged in it would use more power thinking that it's tethered into the wall. I had that issue with my iPhone 4. I had a battery case for it. The phone itself could last me say, 6 hours on its 1400 mah battery. When I put the 2000 mah battery back on it, before the battery pack died, was only 5 hours. So my phone consumed 2000 mah in 5 hours, while on the internal (smaller battery) it consumed it within 6 hours. Hmm... That's not right. So, then I investigated it and while plugged in the phone went into "performance mode"
Is that at all possible on THIS phone as well? hehe.
I'm not big on the whole battery switch, so, I'm skipping this case. I wrote power skin and let's see if they release one for the SGSII. I'd love it if they did
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I believe that the phone, like the iphone, and most laptops, don't fully throttle their devices on battery. So maybe when it's plugged in it would use more power thinking that it's tethered into the wall. I had that issue with my iPhone 4. I had a battery case for it. The phone itself could last me say, 6 hours on its 1400 mah battery. When I put the 2000 mah battery back on it, before the battery pack died, was only 5 hours. So my phone consumed 2000 mah in 5 hours, while on the internal (smaller battery) it consumed it within 6 hours. Hmm... That's not right. So, then I investigated it and while plugged in the phone went into "performance mode"
Is that at all possible on THIS phone as well? hehe.
I'm not big on the whole battery switch, so, I'm skipping this case. I wrote power skin and let's see if they release one for the SGSII. I'd love it if they did
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There's also the fact that a battery directly wired to the device will always perform better per mah vs an externally mounted battery. Heat loss through the external connector, yada yada.
If you're afraid of "performance mode" (which I also think some phones have), just use SetCPU to override it, like I do.
I'm hoping PowerSkin comes up with something soon too - as a case, the ExtPack has really crappy all round protection, especially on the front (getting the SGP Glas protector because of this).
i'd go for the case only without the battery.... it looks quite dangerous...
while on charger when the battery is reaching 97% , turn on/off/ the phone
multiple times , each time taking a 2 mins break u will notice the charging takes longer and the percentage is always stuck at 97% - 99%...
another form of bump charging for wp7..basically the phone will take longer to cut off charging at 100%
post yr results here if u saw improved battery life
you will find this quickly damages the long term battery life of your battery
Well that isn't so bad as batteries aren't expensive anymore. Just 12€ or so.
this would probably work for any phone not just HTC but you are basically tricking the phone into over charging the battery which weakens the lifespan of the battery, all for a few extra minutes of battery life, not worth it.
Yea, this is terrible, destructive, downright negligent advice.
Yes, not good. I work with battery chargers and Li battery characteristics and you will actually age and get less capability very shorty doing this so you won't get those extra charge lengths for long (you do this maybe 20 times and you will in worse shape after that than someone just doing normal charge).
Magpir said:
while on charger when the battery is reaching 97% , turn on/off/ the phone
multiple times , each time taking a 2 mins break u will notice the charging takes longer and the percentage is always stuck at 97% - 99%...
another form of bump charging for wp7..basically the phone will take longer to cut off charging at 100%
post yr results here if u saw improved battery life
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are you kidding me??
I already told him to stop posting bs like this and telling people to damage their batteries this way, this thread should be locked.
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Yea, this is terrible, destructive, downright negligent advice.
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Hah, this coming from the guy that advocated doing that.
u understand yr cause of concern....this will not wear out the battery faster...unless batteries that u use do not have rapid discharge capabilities eg. Iphone poly battery.
In this case it will wear out the battery faster
basically the battery wears out the same rate as all other batteries...
the cells degradation occurs each time u charge...
and modern batteries do not overcharge...some like HTC batteries will discharge rapidly to 80%
basically u are just charging the remainder of the cells
Quote me where I advocated doing that.
Please do a post search on me and you'll see that we've had this discussion in the Vibrant forums already, where I stated it was dangrous.
What I do advocate is keeping your phone on a charger whenever possible (bump charging).
I do not advocate tricking the phone into overcharging. No one wants a battery to blow up in their face, you know...
Or maybe you're confusing a confirmation of that working with an advocation that it's okay to do it? In that case, your school district obviously failed. It has nothing to do with what I stated on these forums or otherwise.
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Magpir said:
u understand yr cause of concern....this will not wear out the battery faster...unless batteries that u use do not have rapid discharge capabilities eg. Iphone poly battery.
In this case it will wear out the battery faster
basically the battery wears out the same rate as all other batteries...
the cells degradation occurs each time u charge...
and modern batteries do not overcharge...some like HTC batteries will discharge rapidly to 80%
basically u are just charging the remainder of the cells
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The issue doesn't come from fear of wearing the battery down. It comes from fear of a device blowing up or catching fire on someone who is overcharging it. There is enough evidence even on youtube of batteries going haywire. This is a risky tactic to achieve basically no noticeable increase in battery life.
The HD7 in a high 3G coverage are (full bars, 3+ Mbps download speeds) gets ~4 hours of battery life under heavy use (mostly browsing, reading Pulse Reader Articles, and checking Social Networks now and then - no Music or video - so really it's only heavy in the fact that the phone didn't sleep a lot, should be called more moderate if anything... Phone shows 67% battery left with 2 hours projected uptime). Overcharging your battery won't change that terrible battery life into good battery life. It'll only make it 5 minutes less terrible.
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Quote me where I advocated doing that.
Please do a post search on me and you'll see that we've had this discussion in the Vibrant forums already, where I stated it was dangrous.
What I do advocate is keeping your phone on a charger whenever possible (bump charging).
I do not advocate tricking the phone into overcharging. No one wants a battery to blow up in their face, you know...
Or maybe you're confusing a confirmation of that working with an advocation that it's okay to do it? In that case, your school district obviously failed. It has nothing to do with what I stated on these forums or otherwise.
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The issue doesn't come from fear of wearing the battery down. It comes from fear of a device blowing up or catching fire on someone who is overcharging it. There is enough evidence even on youtube of batteries going haywire. This is a risky tactic to achieve basically no noticeable increase in battery life.
The HD7 in a high 3G coverage are (full bars, 3+ Mbps download speeds) gets ~4 hours of battery life under heavy use (mostly browsing, reading Pulse Reader Articles, and checking Social Networks now and then - no Music or video - so really it's only heavy in the fact that the phone didn't sleep a lot, should be called more moderate if anything... Phone shows 67% battery left with 2 hours projected uptime). Overcharging your battery won't change that terrible battery life into good battery life. It'll only make it 5 minutes less terrible.
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they can only blow up by removing their circuit protection
If you say so
Batteries still overheat, catch fire, and in rare cases blow up. Overcharging them is risky. Yes, it's rare, but would you want to be that 1 in 10,000 case where it does do that, in your pocket or something?
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u understand yr cause of concern....this will not wear out the battery faster...unless batteries that u use do not have rapid discharge capabilities eg. Iphone poly battery.
In this case it will wear out the battery faster
basically the battery wears out the same rate as all other batteries...
the cells degradation occurs each time u charge...
and modern batteries do not overcharge...some like HTC batteries will discharge rapidly to 80%
basically u are just charging the remainder of the cells
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1.) This will wear out battery faster, why? You are fooling the sensor to charge the battery more.
2.) You can overcharge batteries, don´t know where you found out you can´t. The only good thing is, that the modern phones cut out charing when battery is full and is running on charger (to keed battery charged).
3.) My battery is not rapidly discharged to 80%, I charge it up 100%, and it stays there, when your battery quickly discharges to 80%, that´s your problem from experimenting with charging.
Again - STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THEIR BATTERIES, I told you numerous times, you always act like you invented something, you didn´t, modern batteries use more advanced techniques to help them prevent from being damaged, overcharged, deeply discharged, etc. So stop telling people how to fool these sensor and stress the battery.
Thank you
Hey guys,
I wouldn't recommend this advice as well.
As for me, I bought a second battery 1600mAh.
I use this battery as my primary battery, now I get 30-40% more time on my HTC HD7, and actually can go a whole day with 2G only. While before the phone dies before the end of the day.
While my original battery I keep fully charged sleeping in my wallet, so if the 1600mAh is fully depleted and I'm away from a charging station, I quickly replace and resume working on my phone. This method gets me through a whole day of work+games+social.
I don't remember the price of the 1600 battery but it costed me 10-15 Euros I think.
I believe this is most practical than carrying an attached battery to your phone which results in a gigantic phone in your hands. Or overcharging the OEM battery and probability of having it blow up.
What do you think guys?
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Actually maybe edited and left as a warning for anyone who searches for this method or thinks of doing this method.
Xenohart said:
Hey guys,
I wouldn't recommend this advice as well.
As for me, I bought a second battery 1600mAh.
I use this battery as my primary battery, now I get 30-40% more time on my HTC HD7, and actually can go a whole day with 2G only. While before the phone dies before the end of the day.
While my original battery I keep fully charged sleeping in my wallet, so if the 1600mAh is fully depleted and I'm away from a charging station, I quickly replace and resume working on my phone. This method gets me through a whole day of work+games+social.
I don't remember the price of the 1600 battery but it costed me 10-15 Euros I think.
I believe this is most practical than carrying an attached battery to your phone which results in a gigantic phone in your hands. Or overcharging the OEM battery and probability of having it blow up.
What do you think guys?
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may u give mroe details about the 1600 mah battery?
brand size and where u bought it??
This is the one I bought:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1600MAH-HIGH-CAPACITY-BATTERY-REPLACEMENT-HTC-HD7-/130497652694?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e624427d6#ht_2154wt_1139
I found similar hits on ebay USA, but the writing on the battery is different (Even though they are the same brand).
You can search ebay yourself for a similar looking battery to the one I posted.
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This is the one I bought:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1600MAH-HIGH-CAPACITY-BATTERY-REPLACEMENT-HTC-HD7-/130497652694?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e624427d6#ht_2154wt_1139
I found similar hits on ebay USA, but the writing on the battery is different (Even though they are the same brand).
You can search ebay yourself for a similar looking battery to the one I posted.
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does it really last longer???
Does anyone have any direct experience (not hearsay) or a link to anyone who has actually done actual testing on any replacement batteries.
Ideally, something like what Richard Lloyd has done on youtube to test 18650 batteries.
*** As we can use the google machine, please refrain from links saying "this battery sucks" or "this is the best ever!". Reviews on amazon, ebay, aliexpress and others can be bought for pennies.
It would be great to see someone doing math and using electrical measurements, not what an app reports. ***
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So, two-ish years later and my unlocked HTC 10's battery is starting to go.
I'm using the latest build of Leedroid's rom and no, it is not the rom.
I have replaced batteries in the past and feel like I should give it a shot even though HTC made it a b*tch to change.
Why I'm asking: I changed the battery on a past phone and it worked pretty well for 6-ish months. Then, it exploded and cracked the lcd and g glass screen.
So, trying to avoid that.
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Facts (as I understand them):
We cannot get a real / genuine HTC 10 battery.
HTC does not sell them.
Anything labeled as such is most likely a Chinese fraud or an actual HTC 10 battery that failed their internal inspection process.
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Does anyone have any experience with the replacement batteries that are for sale on Aliexpress?
Part number: B2PS6100
Brands (stickers?):
Cameron Sino 3000mAh
HSABAT 4300mAh
Ciszean 3000mAh
LOSONCOER 4300mAh
XINBONG 4000mAh
Dxqioo 3000mah
etc....
What buyer did you get your best / working battery from? Details please!
Has anyone ever gotten a reading of more than 3000mah that lasts?
I've read on oneplus forums that many replacement batteries often only provide ~80% of the real battery when new and fully charged (mAh).
Many have concluded that batteries that fail their inspection process are not properly recycled and are being re-branded and sold under new names / stickers.
Comments welcome, hopefully my caveats at the beginning didn't scare off everyone.
Thanks in advance!
Mine is also 18 months old and looking for some alternatives . Hope somebody gonna help us.
I've done mine got it from repairbase.co.uk but haven't done any tests on it other than what an app called acubattery which estimates it's capacity as 2868. I've never fully charged it got it set to only go to 75% in the hope that it'll last longer than the original.
Ref the actual swap it wasn't that bad,
I heated the screen on a microwaved wheat bag
used some suction cup pliers to lift the screen
Cut the glue with a guitar pick
Made a simple diagram on a bit of cardboard to stick the screws in.
I took all the tape off completely stored on a bit of greaseproof paper and was really careful with the screen ribbon.
I replaced my own battery.
I replaced my own battery. I bought it off of ebay from a seller in the US. My phone used to have random boot loops now that no longer happens.
It was difficult. Heating the display and pulling off is a problem. I actually broke my display and severed my ribbon cable for the sim. I replaced those parts and battery change was successful. Now the only issue is the adhesive is not sticking that great. Nothing that affects anything. I just see how the screen slightly gives just a little bit. I do not recommend the double stick tape. Get the special glue!!! Something with a 7000 in the name.
I will be reheating a gluing it in the future. I dread working on this phone. Although I am not a professional I think I did a pretty good job. Other phones are much easier to repair.
I DID NOT notice a super improvement in battery life. My new battery was now back to "Ok" battery life instead of terrible no more bootloops at 20% or when camera is open. There is a problem with the HTC 10 with the cpu using to much, along with wakelocks and wifi. I really wish HTC would address these issues.
I installed LEEDROID have not switched kernal yet. I have getting over 4hours and 30 minutes of on screen time. If I change the kernel and throttle the cpu I may be able to get a little more. The goal is 5 hours.
I am NOT an EXPERT. I am a smart individual through trial and error that can figure many things out. I like to get the most out of my technology I'm not ready to get a new phone. My phone is primarily used for Audiobooks, Youtube, web browsing, texting.
i wanted to replace my battery... but after watching this video i've lost all my motivation ^^
as soon as my battery starts to crash at low percentage i'll take another look at it ^^
Anything labeled as such is most likely a Chinese fraud or an actual HTC 10 battery that failed their internal inspection process.
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Oh.... and i always tought these batteries are from the same manufacturer as the original one but somehow stolen/bought directly at the manufacturing site and sold by private persons.
It is really hard to distinguish a real battery from a fake...
But to know if your battery is full/new or not the only way is an external discharge test.
I've tought about buying one of these https://www.ebay.ch/itm/ZB2L3-Batte...560532?hash=item25e6002a94:g:ag4AAOSwmnFZ4hxs
But it says 3A ... which is a bit much for this poor phone battery.
Having a functioning temperature sensor is critical to the stability and safety of the battery. If you've replaced your battery, use an app like Accubattery to verify the following: an existing thermistor will read a fluctuation in temps anywhere from 20-50C based on usage and ambient heat. Most (all?) of the batteries sold online have only a resistor which will send various inaccurate readings to the phone, typically 25C while charging, and a jump to 35-38C while unplugged (if the plugging/unplugging makes no sudden difference, try putting your phone in the freezer, or going between idle and heavy use to test).
If your replacement battery has an accurate temp sensor, please add to the discussion by telling us where you purchased it.
i bought HSABAT 4300mAh from aliexpress,i replaced the battery .will share with you guys here the results
Shame it's so much effort to change battery my wifes phone always turns off at around 21% now and she doesn't like any of the newer phones most are too big this htc 10 was the max she would go to.
My guess is that a lot of people are going to try in the coming 2-6 months as their battery starts to weaken.
Phone is great. Processor is fast enough and camera is great.
My hope is that we can gather real info and start to get good intel on these battery brands (?).
I don't think changing the battery is particularly easy, but it can be done. (See YouTube)
That being said, I don't want to have to do it more than once.
I hope more people chime in, because I guess many have already and many more will be doing it.
mortmaru said:
Shame it's so much effort to change battery my wifes phone always turns off at around 21% now and she doesn't like any of the newer phones most are too big this htc 10 was the max she would go to.
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alicine said:
i bought HSABAT 4300mAh from aliexpress,i replaced the battery .will share with you guys here the results
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I am planning to buy the same..... hope you have a positive feedback about it..
Bareq said:
I am planning to buy the same..... hope you have a positive feedback about it..
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let me finish first tests , i will share results asap.im planning to do coming weekend.
Hi there, finally I got possibility to check battery performance which I bought from aliexpress.when I compare it with my brothers 2 years old HTC 10 ,battery is better than his phone. I did HTC battery test.mine was 92% but his was 80% .
I didn't experienced yet daily use. I will update u.
alicine said:
Hi there, finally I got possibility to check battery performance which I bought from aliexpress.when I compare it with my brothers 2 years old HTC 10 ,battery is better than his phone. I did HTC battery test.mine was 92% but his was 80% .
I didn't experienced yet daily use. I will update u.
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yo dawg, any news? i'm very eager to read it.
peace
Hey @alicine. I'm really curious about the battery and want to buy it. I have some questions and would really appreciate if you could answer them.
1) Has it exploded yet?
2) Is it the advertised 4300 mAh capasity?
3) How did you make it fit inside the shell? Is it the same dimensions as the 3000 mAh ones?
4) How long does it take to charge & does it still support fast charging?
5) How many hours of SoT are you getting now? (which ROM you're in that would help too)
Thanks in advance.
Tips from experience on M7
One thing about lithion batteries . . . they lose a bit of capacity just sitting on the shelf as matter of simple, natural deterioration. So to a certain extent, the newer the better.
When I replaced the battery on my HTC One M7 it was a similar challenge. My approach to buying a battery was to look closely at the photos and see what the date was on the battery for sale as it should be printed on it. (Some of the sellers don't even know that.) I tried to get the most plausibly recently made battery, within reason. By that I mean, I was concerned that for an older phone there might not be any batteries recently manufactured for it, so a very recently dated battery might be fraudulently remarked/re-dated. If I wasn't sure I queried the seller to find out if they knew what the battery's date was.
I'm not sure my theory is correct about which date battery to shoot for, but I'm still going with that line of thinking
Hi, what about the battery performance with daily use?
@numpaque
I'm not sure what the question is there - batteries lose charge as you use them, then need recharging.
What do you want to know again ?
sgokan03 said:
Hey @alicine. I'm really curious about the battery and want to buy it. I have some questions and would really appreciate if you could answer them.
1) Has it exploded yet?
2) Is it the advertised 4300 mAh capasity?
3) How did you make it fit inside the shell? Is it the same dimensions as the 3000 mAh ones?
4) How long does it take to charge & does it still support fast charging?
5) How many hours of SoT are you getting now? (which ROM you're in that would help too)
Thanks in advance.
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1-No its not exploded yet, its working very well
2-I guess no , because im having same SoT as i get it when i first buy the phone
3-I removed the screen first,then one by one other compenents.Dimensions are the same
4-Its takin 50-60 mins to charge from %5 to full
6-Stock rom 4-4.5 hours depend on the use
I sent my HTC-10 in for battery replacement through the official service in Germany. This was approx. 6 weeks before my warranty ran out.
Battery performance was really bad with SOT of around 2 hrs, and random shut downs at 20-40% battery capacity.
After 2-3 weeks it came back, and according the delivery paper the battery has been replaced.
But regrettably no improvement could be notified.
So I sent it back again and got it back within approx. 1 week. This time they had replaced the side keys on the Phone, but even this time I could not find any improvement of the battery performance.
So I claimed it a third time, and sent it to the official service again. But now my 24 months warranty was gone….However they still accepted this as a Warranty claim and when I got my phone back after approx. 2-3 weeks it had a new battery, and a new screen.
Since then, the battery performance is good and my phone works more or less like a new one.
I get SOT between 4-5 hrs and no more shut downs and boot loops using stock Oreo.
hansing
hansing said:
I sent my HTC-10 in for battery replacement through the official service in Germany. This was approx. 6 weeks before my warranty ran out.
Battery performance was really bad with SOT of around 2 hrs, and random shut downs at 20-40% battery capacity.
After 2-3 weeks it came back, and according the delivery paper the battery has been replaced.
But regrettably no improvement could be notified.
So I sent it back again and got it back within approx. 1 week. This time they had replaced the side keys on the Phone, but even this time I could not find any improvement of the battery performance.
So I claimed it a third time, and sent it to the official service again. But now my 24 months warranty was gone….However they still accepted this as a Warranty claim and when I got my phone back after approx. 2-3 weeks it had a new battery, and a new screen.
Since then, the battery performance is good and my phone works more or less like a new one.
I get SOT between 4-5 hrs and no more shut downs and boot loops using stock Oreo.
hansing
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got the same issues and replaced battery from official htc service.
well sot was around 3h when i first bought it.now its 4h and battery still 48%.
frined buy it from the same shop 1 week after me and he still got 4h+ sot.so i guess some devices sold with deflected battery?