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The long story short is that even though its been out on the International Galaxy S3 for over three months, they don't even have a roadmap for when it will be released in the US.
Once you decipher the PR-speak, it becomes pretty apparent that they don't have current plans to release the update in the US, and more than likely will never release it for our devices.
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The long story short is that even though its been out on the International Galaxy S3 for over three months, they don't even have a roadmap for when it will be released in the US.
Once you decipher the PR-speak from their support rep, it becomes pretty apparent that they don't have current plans to release the update in the US, and more than likely will never release it for our devices.
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I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series...
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Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series...
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I am sure that I will never buy a vendor`s device again.
For sure I am not going to stay long in this device.
I didnt stay long to get ICS on my Galaxy s ; JB on Galaxy s 2; and for sure I dont hope to get and want to wait JB 4.2.2 on our s3.
March 14 is near and so htc one is on way.
Quick question. Now that tmobile brought their 1900 band and which bands for LTE they have. And now iPhones works with tmobile's 3G. Does buying an international S3 or any international phone will it have more than edge on tmobile network?
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Quick question. Now that tmobile brought their 1900 band and which bands for LTE they have. And now iPhones works with tmobile's 3G. Does buying an international S3 or any international phone will it have more than edge on tmobile network?
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If you live in an area with refarmed 1900 to support HSPA, you will get spotty at best HSPA coverage and EDGE the rest of the time. The I-9300 doesn't support AWS so you will have reduced coverage (AWS is both voice and data and some places T-Mobile has 1700 licenses but no 1900 licenses so you wouldn't have a signal at all).
I would just get an S IV. Chances are it will cost you the same as getting an internation S III anyway.
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I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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I believe its more about their unwillingness to expend the effort on development. Because of the difference in architecture between the US and International S3 something else other than the absolute minimum effort is required to port those features and properly support the device, so they're not going to do it.
A large number of people found 4.1.1 to be extremely buggy and poorly optimized, that doesn't exactly reflect well on them as far their effort spent supporting American customers either.
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I believe its more about their unwillingness to expend the effort on development. Because of the difference in architecture between the US and International S3 something else other than the absolute minimum effort is required to port those features and properly support the device, so they're not going to do it.
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Sounds a lot like what I said up above...
"Originally Posted by EtherealRemnant
Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series..."
Probably not Gonna happen there's been reports where the international one would be getting a faster processor, samsung hasn't really discuss this even though they plan to launch phone next month.
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Probably not Gonna happen there's been reports where the international one would be getting a faster processor, samsung hasn't really discuss this even though they plan to launch phone next month.
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The Exynos Octa doesn't support AWS connectivity so expect a 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 Fusion Pro chip instead here in the US. Its no Exynos but its no slouch either. Battery life will probably suck though.
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The Exynos Octa doesn't support AWS connectivity so expect a 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 Fusion Pro chip instead here in the US. Its no Exynos but its no slouch either. Battery life will probably suck though.
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Yeah that's what I thought, I don't think that battery voltage 2600 is high enough for the processor and everything else. With the s3 we were suppose to have the "weaker" chip yet when you compared it to the quad core the speed was almost identical. Except if you start doing test and all that which that doesn't matter a whole lot. It's all about how fast can I go from point a to point b and back to the beginning, so I imagine it might be about the same this time around. I won't be upgrading so I could care less lol
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The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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The hardware fragmentation in the Galaxy S4 line means that the current disparity in features and support is more than likely going to be perpetuated with their newer models, its unfortunate.
I'm also not sure why its remotely necessary when every single version of the Galaxy Note II uses an Exynos chip.
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The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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I like your thinking, you look you know about all these stuff. Always interested in processors and all this stuff willing to learn. I agree like I said earlier from any other phone than the s3 people would love the s4, but the fact that it looks exactly just like this one turns some s3 users down too. They are asking us to pay "Premium" again honestly very impatient move, don't know why they are rushing for a new release. It's about 8 or 9 months, the s3 fair pretty good against the s3 even though it was out months earlier than the iPhone 5. I think they could of release this phone in the summer closer to the iPhone 6 because now when the 6th comes out the s4 would be deemed "old" by a lot of people that want everything new.
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At the same time they probably wanted a few months by themselves with virtually no competition to get a lot of sales, I think you can't compare the s4 to the 5 it'd really unfair so right now the galaxy is the leader till the 6 can challenge it
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I'm a little pissed were getting the weaker processor in the US. Especially in the terms of gpu disparity... Kinda weak Samsung did not impress me this time around if I can afford it I'll go international, otherwise there's a good chance I'm looking to the xperia z or HTC one. Screw HTC as far as development but despite Samsung usually being far better I'm not impressed with the new one. I like the idea of the front dual speakers on the HTC one. And build is pretty nice. Phone hardware is nice enough that it runs beautifully on touch wiz or HTC Sense and i can use whatever launcher avail so I'm not concerned about cm and such. And I love the screen on this but not comfortable using something larger than even the current note so I probably won't go that route. I guess we'll see.
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I would care to challenge that. Yesterday, Samsung said the S3 will get some of the features on the S4 through software updates. Premium Suite will come to the S3.
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I would care to challenge that. Yesterday, Samsung said the S3 will get some of the features on the S4 through software updates. Premium Suite will come to the S3.
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The international version will but we simply don't have the horsepower on the Snapdragon dual core to utilize those features. Remember that the S3 international uses a quad core Exynos chip, not a dual-core Snapdragon.
They will find a way to utilize it.
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They will find a way to utilize it.
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they can find a way to, but chances are, they won't. unfortunately for us...
I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
Samsung is never going to put a Snapdragon outside US on flagships
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Samsung is never going to put a Snapdragon outside US on flagships
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My Note 8 in India has a Snapdragon
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I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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Oh come on already, yes it's worse than the SD one, by a couple percent. Battery life is good this time around, random drain seems to be fixed. This is like reading a Reddit rant where people riot because it only has 1000 nits of peak brightness while my torch has thrice of that.
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My Note 8 in India has a Snapdragon
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thats odd , mine is Exynos , Are you sure you bought indian variant ?
mine has been performing great so far I don't know what you're talking about ahahah I'm going to test battery life better today so we'll see
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mine has been performing great so far I don't know what you're talking about ahahah I'm going to test battery life better today so we'll see
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That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.
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That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.
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Why do there have to be two variants anyway? Why do they bother to go with two?
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Isn't Samsung working with AMD or someone to improve you performance. If that happens it should keep up well with Qualcomm. it's that Mali from ARM that slows things down.
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Isn't Samsung working with AMD or someone to improve you performance. If that happens it should keep up well with Qualcomm. it's that Mali from ARM that slows things down.
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Correct. But this new soc ain't coming before 2021.
It's 2019 and samsung released a 1100+$ phone without flagship specs, this exynos soc can maybe compete with last year's snapdragon 845, not 855 and much less with 855+.
It's a bad joke and huge letdown.
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I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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On what basis are you saying that Note 10 exynos equal to SD 845 in performance? please don't tell you you watch this nonsense speed test g!
See antutu score s10 SD vs note 10 exynos attached
What matters to me is the smoothness and daily performance. My Note10+ with Exonys 9825 feels snappier and has less lag than my Pixel 3XL with SD 845. Perhaps because it's brand new, I don't know.
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That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.
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3 years?
It all started last year, 4 times in a row, so far. Prior to S9, Exynos was not inferior to SD.
It's to do with the CPU architecture, that needs a change and only time will tell, possibly starting with the S11 or above.
Or don't pay attention to what america has?
You've got the ability to root to your hearts content with the exynos chip. Americas are pretty limited in that regard.
I'm not sure what difference it really makes to you if you've been using exynos chips for the past few years as it's an upgrade to what you've been using regardless.
Coming from a note 8 to the note 10+ was a huge and I mean huge difference to me.
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3 years?
It all started last year, 4 times in a row, so far. Prior to S9, Exynos was not inferior to SD.
It's to do with the CPU architecture, that needs a change and only time will tell, possibly starting with the S11 or above.
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I'm not going to argue about the n10+ as I have the US version and haven't had an exynos since the Galaxy Tab s2, which I immediately upgraded to the SD version of that tablet, so I can say that well over 3 years ago this was a problem. The GT S2 on the SD was SOOO much better.
I get what the OP is saying though, It is like buying a car and finding out the next door neighbour got a turbo on his stock model while yours is just a plain old engine...
It is annoying that Samsung has this diversity in it's models and while yes, you have upgraded from like to like, it does seem unfair that someone else has a "better" version but paid the same (or less) than you did...
I know here in Oz it is frustrating seeing what other countries get , 1 Note 10+ and a Note 10 for the price of a Note 10 + and other pe-order deals.
With my pre-order Note 9, here in Oz, I got a wireless charger while o'seas people were getting a 512gb SD card and more... Where is the fairness in that Samsung?
So, even though I have a brand spanking new toy it leaves a bitter taste of gall in your mouth to think you got less than what others have and paying the same price....
Hoping for Anandtech to. do a Note 10 review with a E8925 to see if Samsung made some progress on Exynos' traditional slow ramp up of cpu mhz. Saw this and A76/M4 are not handing Geekbench 5 workload/weighting well.
https://twitter.com/andreif7/status/1164927585471598594
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I'm not going to argue about the n10+ as I have the US version and haven't had an exynos since the Galaxy Tab s2, which I immediately upgraded to the SD version of that tablet, so I can say that well over 3 years ago this was a problem. The GT S2 on the SD was SOOO much better.
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We are talking about smartphones and not about 5 year old tablets. The Exynos variants of those tabs were from 2015 and SD were from 2016, ofcourse "upgraded".
pittas said:
I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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Agree. :good:
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
Guitarfreak26 said:
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
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Snapdragon 855+ Galaxy Fold(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 11150
QRD865(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 10247
QRD865(Performance)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 12524
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PCMark Work2.0 Performance 11823
Guitarfreak26 said:
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
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I also have the iPhone 11 Pro Max and coming back to Android and too be honest the Exynos VS SD865 does not really bother me, the performance is slower than the SD865 and possibly battery life (specially in standby) may not be the same, but the screen, camera, design, openness of Android more than make up for that I reckon.
Last time I had a Galaxy was the S10 and that was a very nice phone and my only gripe back then was the really poor signal quality so if this is resolved in the S20 Ultra then I am a happy.
You could of course import it if you must have the SD version.
Gadgetsboy on Twitter already discussing the poor battery life on Exynos models... And so it begins lol
Exynos was bad last year on the s10 plus but did get better with updates, eventually swapped for the p30 Pro which is a beast, I too am hoping it's better this year, why can't they all be snapdragon?
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Exynos was bad last year on the s10 plus but did get better with updates, eventually swapped for the p30 Pro which is a beast, I too am hoping it's better this year, why can't they all be snapdragon?
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1) Not enough production.
2) Samsung makes a better profit from Exynos.
3) diversification is good, some years Qualcomm is better, some years Qualcomm is the SD810.
This was my initial question, as exynos has historically been crap.
Namely the GPU being underpowered compared to the same gen Adreno.
I've heard that the exynos / Mali this time is 20% faster, but that tells me nothing, I've also read that even South Korea has gone for the 865 which to me speaks volumes.
Not sure what all this would do for development, I've been away from Samsung since the S5 and note 4, I just couldn't deal with the exynos and it's sub par GPU, as I use emulators from time to time and the Adreno just works, plus you get driver updates.
If the new Mali is comparable to the Adreno (newest) then I'd think about getting this phone.
But my decision would hang on that and the aforementioned crap battery.
Have heard that this may be the last exynos too but couldn't confirm that.
Just wait for Gary explains YouTube channel to make a comparison between the two versions.
I guess the Snapdragon its going to be around 16% to 20% faster than the exynos.
https://youtu.be/MgRnbm9wrzg
You won't likely notice the performance difference. But you will notice the horrible standby battery drain. Overnight, my exynos S20U drop 7% in airplane mode. Compare that to just 1% for my Asus ROG Phone II (not in airplane). But still better than exynos S10+ (10% overnight).
I’m hoping it gets fixed with software updates. Was still on the fence about moving over even though I pre ordered. The battery life on the 11 pro max is absolutely insane, still debating whether it’s worth losing that lol
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Would an imported phone with Snapdragon work fine on European networks? I'm seriously considering importing the damn phone due to that Exynos nonsense..
Diaoul said:
Would an imported phone with Snapdragon work fine on European networks? I'm seriously considering importing the damn phone due to that Exynos nonsense..
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I'm in the same situation - considering getting the HK variant (G9880) which supports pretty much all of the 4G/5G network channels..
I had the S10+ 855 in Australia on Vodafone and it was magic. well over 50mbits+ more download speed than the Exynos too..
Yup I imported snapdragon variant unlocked. Working flawlessly
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Yup I imported snapdragon variant unlocked. Working flawlessly
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Where from?
Guitarfreak26 said:
Where from?
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Just use Wondamobile like always.
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Just use Wondamobile like always.
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Not shipping until 24th Got a exynos ordered from JL for now... Keep wondering whether to cancel or not
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Not shipping until 24th Got a exynos ordered from JL for now... Keep wondering whether to cancel or not
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Don’t cancel. The phone is belter. The noise out there is just noise. Look at it this way, find a phone as a package that has hardware and software as good as, as capable as this phone.
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Don’t cancel. The phone is belter. The noise out there is just noise. Look at it this way, find a phone as a package that has hardware and software as good as, as capable as this phone.
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Did you move from your Max? haha
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Did you move from your Max? haha
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Lol I’ve had a few phones. iPhone 11 Pro has my main sim at the moment. Hoping the Ultra takes over though.
I think this whole exynos thing is overblown, yes there are differences in battery standby etc but surely having a UK warranty, ability to go to a samsung centre for any repairs, resale value is more important?
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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At the moment I'm not sure.
Historically the exynos has been behind in the GPU department.
But the trade off has been the SD chips have been bootloader locked.
The exynos I've heard can still be unlocked, so if the GPU / CPU has caught up at all then it would be the preferred device in my opinion.
But too tell the truth it's really down to you.
I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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Ahhh don't say that
So long as it can run the windwaker at a solid 30fps I'll be happy.
Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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Since Galaxy S8, Snapdragon is ahead of the number game in benchmarks. The last good performing Exynos is from the Galaxy S7. In normal day to day usage, you won't notice the performance difference though, they're mostly identical in speed except for the battery efficiency, Exynos drains battery faster.
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Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
cheetah2k said:
Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
Early bench marks already show the Exynos 990 is a pile of turd. While I'll reserve judgement until the direct comparisons have been done the initial results are similar to last year's. 99% of phone users won't root either. So that should not even be a consideration Pal
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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Nah mate I wholeheartedly disagree, I had the OnePlus 5 which I think had an 850 and compared to any exynos at the time or the one after the oneplus outperformed it on the dolphin emulator, all games from the play store and benchmarks.
The GPU has always been the exynos' weak spot, I just hope this year they may have caught up a little.
Single core CPU performance and multi had been close, which is why using the device appeared fine, but the GPU is a different matter
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Hope you guys doing good.
So from last few months I am seeing these heated arguments and criticism towards Samsung for using exynos and people claiming it to be "inferior" compared to snapdragon. I don't get it why people are focusing so much on benchmark these days. Just enjoy the experience you are getting it.
I was actually researching on this and came across Geekbench 5 where things turn out to be different in computer score or rather I should say openCL score. I don't know much about it so would be cool if anyone can shine light on it. Difference between exynos and snapdragon is exponentially high like it's insane. (check my ss).
Well I personally have been using snapdragon for more than 7-8 years now and this is my first exynos device, I am pretty happy with it. My last phone has SD 845 and I can say it's a pretty much a welcome improvement over it.
I wanted to know what you guys think about this ? Btw I am leaving my exynos benchmark below, would be cool to see where exactly the difference is present.
The major issue is that you pay the same price, if not more, for a worse hardware.
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The major issue is that you pay the same price, if not more, for a worse hardware.
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Well I agree on your part, many people claim the exynos is really trash but when I was browsing through different articles I came across opencl. It's a benchmarking code for CPU, GPU, ram, storage etc.
In this test exynos totally outclassed the snapdragon series. I thought it might be touchwiz restricting it but nope, one plus 7T had similar score.
Also exynos has a slightly better single core performance. This is what baffles me.
The thing is, many users complain about heavy throttling when cpu temps get high, which by the way, havs never ocurred to my 975F, in spite of heavy gaming/streamming and such over long periods of use (2-4 hours), so, from my experience, I have absolutely nothing to complain about, I am not, by any means saying that exynos is better ir superior, but, in NO WAY exynos is "trash" or samsung is abusive by putting them in flagship devices, I knew beforehand that an exynos SOC would be inside the device, nobody forced me to buy the device, if someone wants a snapdragon powered device, there are plenty if options to choose from, in fact, in my country there were snapdragon versions available, even cheaper, but not ditributed by carriers, which is a really important factor when warranty service/support is needed, so in the end it is not a matter of samsung abusing or deceiving customers, it is a matter of consumers assuming RESPONSABILITY for the decision they made to buy an international note series device THAT NOBODY forced them to
But there is the crux of the matter, I have no option BUT to get the Exynos variant in my country...
It has been proven time and again that the Exynos has higher power usage meaning that battery life is down by up to 20% in some tests, CPU does get throttled and also, due to the inferior processing power, photo's aren't as good on the Exynos versus the Snapdragon.
Hell, Samsung ditched their own chip in their home country in favour of the Snapdragon... Yet they keep pushing out their less premium hardware and still charge us the same as, or more than, the superior SoC phones...
Hopefully this will be rectified with their new deal with AMD but anyone who got the Exynos chip in their phone really has an inferior phone to the counterparts that got the Snapdragon.
Your argument that people can get the Snapdragon variant by looking around is not taking into account warranty is not honored for hardware that is for a different region. If you have a Snapdragon phone that has ANY warranty problem, it MUST be returned to the region that it came from which is ridiculous.
Samsung has admitted the Exynos is an inferior chip by replacing their own chip with the Snapdragon in their own country, now they need to do the same for everywhere else...
I maybe wrong, but don't Exynos variants get update faster than Snapdragon?
Tbh, I dont know if one version gets updates faster than the other, but, what I know for sure is, I really liked the device as it was when I purchased it, I researched enough to know about it, its best features and its performance, so, I just dont care much about future updates, as I liked the device for what it was out of the box, plain and simple