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Why do U.S. variants of the s3 not get exynos?

this had been bugging me and now when i decide to look into it, all of the google searches are raped by news of the s4 and not answering my question. so with that said, why do all of the U.S. samsung devices get the qualcomm chips instead of the exynos processors from samsung? it just doesn't make sense to me as to why they would switch them up. o.0 and it bugs me more that the qualcomm chips (while still fast as a bat out of hell) are slower than the exynos chips that are in the international phones..

It was one of two options:
Go with the exynos, then have an external radio for the LTE resulting in worse battery life or...
Go with the dual core snapdragon that had the capabilities all on one chip.
It was tested and the actual real world performance was very similar between the two, so the option they chose gave us the best performance with the best battery while maintaining access to LTE.
A similar situation appears to be occurring on the S4. The Note II came with a quad core chip with LTE.... so our S4's will most likely be the same to get LTE. The Octo exynos is not ready for the LTE inclusion YET. By the time the "Note 3" is out, it might be ready for prime time.

jdogg836 said:
It was one of two options:
Go with the exynos, then have an external radio for the LTE resulting in worse battery life or...
Go with the dual core snapdragon that had the capabilities all on one chip.
It was tested and the actual real world performance was very similar between the two, so the option they chose gave us the best performance with the best battery while maintaining access to LTE.
A similar situation appears to be occurring on the S4. The Note II came with a quad core chip with LTE.... so our S4's will most likely be the same to get LTE. The Octo exynos is not ready for the LTE inclusion YET. By the time the "Note 3" is out, it might be ready for prime time.
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thanks for the info but you would think that they would have included lte while designing the exynos octa considering lte isn't exactly a new technology anymore oh well. my contract is still a year and 4 months from ending and im perfectly content with my s3. maybe they will have it figured out by the s5 haha

The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...

A-Shin said:
The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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If Samsung didn't care about there customers you would just get another dual core processor phone. It will either come with Octo or quad core. Regardless of which one it actually comes with, it's gonna be an upgrade
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A-Shin said:
The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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Most customers don't buy their phone because of benchmarks or boasting rights about how many cores it has. I don't care what processor it has as long as it has good battery life and isn't laggy.

poit said:
Most customers don't buy their phone because of benchmarks or boasting rights about how many cores it has. I don't care what processor it has as long as it has good battery life and isn't laggy.
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That's true. I there's a [floating] statistic that like only 12% of people root/jail break their phones anyway; so on that statistic, the other 88% is just based on surface features and shinyness. I bet if you asked most people they couldn't tell you what kind of processor is in the phone.

Confused about 8.4 variants.. Help

hi. im really interested in this tablet. i want the LTE version. untill now i thought there are two versions of this tablet
WIFI only with Exynos octacore chip
LTE+WIFI version with snapdragon 800 chip
pls check the full specifications.
http://homeshopping.pk/products/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-S-84-LTE-16GB-Bronze-Price-In-Pakistan.html
now. here where i live, on a local store, they have WIFI only version with EXYNOS version... WTF??? right?
i need the snapdragon version. i have had 3 Exynos phones in the past, Note 2, S3, and NOte 3 and all overheated like ****!
dont need Exynos no more! either i will get the snapdragon one or just let go of idea of buying this tablet. pls check here.
also, can some one here link me amazon or newegg link to LTE snapdragon 800 version of this tablet?

Your observed overheating for sure has NOTHING to do with Exynos.
For the Snapdragon version there are several threads around...

pibach said:
Your observed overheating for sure has NOTHING to do with Exynos.
For the Snapdragon version there are several threads around...
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well, about the overheating of device with exynos, its true. i have even observed it on one of my friend's Note 3 exynos version. its really unacceptable for samsung not to fix this issue with their in house chip, considering huge R&D budget. so i have decided never to get exynos device at all!
i will get the snapdragon version if its available. if not, then i will get iPad Air or Air 2
can u link me to Snapdragon from newegg or amazon? i cant find.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/snapdragon-t2857038
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/lte-model-snapdragon-t2842537
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/snapdragon-exynos-version-t2841453

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/snapdragon-t2857038
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/lte-model-snapdragon-t2842537
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/snapdragon-exynos-version-t2841453
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thank u a lot bro but i didn't mean links here on xda.
i need link to NEWEGG OR AMAZON where they are selling the SNAPDRAGON 800 VERSION, from WHERE I CAN BUY!

Just go ahead and ask in these threads. Probably you can get Snapdragon version only by contract (I don't know, since I have Exynos version).

both come with exynos chip. wifi or the lte version. both. if you see the device code SM-T700 or SM-T705. it is exynos.
the only snapdragon version are for US Variant which i thin cant work on other place because we use a different band.

aami.aami said:
well, about the overheating of device with exynos, its true. i have even observed it on one of my friend's Note 3 exynos version. its really unacceptable for samsung not to fix this issue with their in house chip, considering huge R&D budget. so i have decided never to get exynos device at all!
i will get the snapdragon version if its available. if not, then i will get iPad Air or Air 2
can u link me to Snapdragon from newegg or amazon? i cant find.
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Well, my Galaxy Tab S 8.4 (WiFi Only) is the only Exynos based device I have had, so I have no way to compare it to earlier versions. I can say that mine never over heats. Of course I have the book cover on it. But I've never noticed it being hot or even warm and it isn't showing any signs of instability.

Snapdragon has much better development

ratman6161 said:
Well, my Galaxy Tab S 8.4 (WiFi Only) is the only Exynos based device I have had, so I have no way to compare it to earlier versions. I can say that mine never over heats. Of course I have the book cover on it. But I've never noticed it being hot or even warm and it isn't showing any signs of instability.
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i have never used any kind of cover for any of my phones or tablets. im of the idea that the devices are meant to be used the way they are. i like them naked
i know Exynos gets hot, cause this same chip is used in Pro series and i have used that for like 10 minutes of Asphalt and it DID get quite warm!
and im pretty sure, cause of such a high res display, this would too. mainly because where i live its quite hot. u know, its 25th november today and time right now is 11:30pm night, and guess whats the temperature here, its 25C!
in summer it get as high as 46C-49C. even air conditioning does not help some times!
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Snapdragon has much better development
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^this, also lag is very limited in Touchwiz. thats the only reason i left samsung.
i personally like FLASHY and vibrant UI of samsung, but i HATE LAG!
i switched to LG . infact, i first got a monitor from LG and i was LITERALLY ASTONISHED by its panel! thats why i got LG G2! and i was REALLY AMAZED by their optimus UI and G2 UI and boy, G2 is a BATTERY CHAMP! i loved that device so much.
and there was NO lag at all! i mean NONE! even when LG's UI is almost same as TOUCHWIZ.
i guess, samsung puts some special ingredient touchwiz to make it lag like hell, on SNAPDRAGON 805 chip (NOTE 4)
edan1979 said:
both come with exynos chip. wifi or the lte version. both. if you see the device code SM-T700 or SM-T705. it is exynos.
yeah u are right. i have checked it thorougly and i have found that only 2 of US variants offer 800 one. one of them is Sprint. its the last alphabet that is different. like T705V and T705C also, T805V and T805C
the only snapdragon version are for US Variant which i thin cant work on other place because we use a different band.
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aami.aami said:
...i know Exynos gets hot, cause this same chip is used in Pro series.
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Mine does not get hot. Also, Exynos is not the only SOC used in the pro series. The pro 8.4 uses a Snapdragon 800

ratman6161 said:
Mine does not get hot. Also, Exynos is not the only SOC used in the pro series. The pro 8.4 uses a Snapdragon 800
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see this
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Exyn....4-cant-take-the-heat-owner-complains_id58305

Why Snapdragon 855 variant is ONLY available within U.S

Once again us within the UK and the rest of the world are stuck with the subpar exynos variant.
We all know that the newer exynos version has been terrible in terms of power efficiency ever since the Galaxy S9. Adding further misery, Samsung provides only U.S. limited warranty, which is a joke for a company as big as Samsung.
Just ordered a Xiaomi Mi 9

u also get a 10h SoT with the exynos... and i can unlock it...

mulkman said:
Once again us within the UK and the rest of the world are stuck with the subpar exynos variant.
We all know that the newer exynos version has been terrible in terms of power efficiency ever since the Galaxy S9. Adding further misery, Samsung provides only U.S. limited warranty, which is a joke for a company as big as Samsung.
Just ordered a Xiaomi Mi 9
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Subpar?
Dude they need to actually thorthle down Exynos power to match Snapdragon to be exact.
On S8 exyons is able to record longer with higher frame rate and higher resolution then snapdragon but they disable it so snapdragon could match up

mulkman said:
Once again us within the UK and the rest of the world are stuck with the subpar exynos variant.
We all know that the newer exynos version has been terrible in terms of power efficiency ever since the Galaxy S9. Adding further misery, Samsung provides only U.S. limited warranty, which is a joke for a company as big as Samsung.
Just ordered a Xiaomi Mi 9
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I ordered the S10e for £500 Snapdragon variant from eGlobal. Beats the Mi 9 every single way except the battery size

electrash said:
Subpar?
Dude they need to actually thorthle down Exynos power to match Snapdragon to be exact.
On S8 exyons is able to record longer with higher frame rate and higher resolution then snapdragon but they disable it so snapdragon could match up
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This was true for the s8, but the OP is correct with S9/S10.
If Samsung truly dialed back newer exynos variants, they went too far because the snapdragon variant outperforms it by significant margin.

So if I bought the snapdragon variant in europe via eglobal, I won't be able to root it or am I wrong?

DKzVeNgEnS said:
So if I bought the snapdragon variant in europe via eglobal, I won't be able to root it or am I wrong?
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Snapdragon hasn't been rooted since the s8

electrash said:
Subpar?
Dude they need to actually thorthle down Exynos power to match Snapdragon to be exact.
On S8 exyons is able to record longer with higher frame rate and higher resolution then snapdragon but they disable it so snapdragon could match up
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That's ridiculous. They are not doing that.

There's nothing subpar, they need Qualcomm because the USA is stuck in the stone age with their CDMA, Qualcomm is also impeding technological evolution by exploiting patent loopholes in countries with badly made law systems such as that, Qualcomm needs to die.
So far Snapdragons have vastly inferior battery life(have a look at the funny thread), 2/3 of the single core performance and 3 to 4 times higher memory delay, even the first iteration of ddr3 performs better.
But yeah have fun with your Chinese flagship I guess, let the fake Antutu scores keep you warm

fernando sor said:
That's ridiculous. They are not doing that.
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I am kinda amazed that you don't know that since you are in the phone's now more than me. But anyway this is the quote from some of the sites that you can find with Google.
Although the camera sensors on last year’s Samsung flagships were capable pf it, it was only this year that Samsung switched on 4K/60p video recording. Because it is only with the Snapdragon 845 that Qualcomm finally supported that feature too. That said, last year’s Samsung Exynos 8895 were already capable of that high resolution, high frame rate recording. But to play fair with Snapdragon 835 variants, Samsung disabled the feature.
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The Exynos 9820, like previous Exynos chips, has better video recording capabilities than the competing Snapdragon chip. The 9820, for example, can record 8K videos at 30 fps (frames per second) and 4K videos at 150 fps. The Snapdragon 855, meanwhile, seems to only support 4K recording at 60 fps like the Snapdragon 845, which means Samsung is unlikely to offer [email protected] fps or [email protected] fps in any market. The 855 does, however, get the ability to record HDR videos, something Samsung isn’t confirming or denying for the 9820 just yet.
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It's probably a lot to do with cost.
Qualcomm have Samsung over a barrel. They basically have to use the Snapdragon for the US devices, for the CDMA chipsets for the US networks that still use CDMA. It was either that or use Exynos chipset with Qualcomm radios, which Qualcomm were going to charge a fortune for.
And the rest of the world (except a couple of Asian countries) get Exynos, probably because it's cheaper. And developed by Samsung, so they have complete control over it.

It is also available as SM-G9750/DS (China version sourced from Hong Kong)

LRiley said:
Snapdragon hasn't been rooted since the s8
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Thats not true.
The HK and latin America snaps are rootable- no locked BL.

force70 said:
Thats not true.
The HK and latin America snaps are rootable- no locked BL.
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They're also middle-range busy markets that couldn't care less about Samsung flagships, so those units are almost nonexistent.

electrash said:
I am kinda amazed that you don't know that since you are in the phone's now more than me. But anyway this is the quote from some of the sites that you can find with Google.
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Wow I'm kind of amazed you would do virtually zero research. Based on anantech scores the Samsung varient is behind in virtually every category and also trailing the 845 version in many categories.
And just so you know I've done nothing with phones for years. I did write a few apps but I've not had the time in a while so I'm very out of it loop. I just know that Qualcomm is not behind Samsung in chip making. They are also better optimized and more power efficient.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14031/samsung-galaxy-s10-first-exynos-9820-vs-snapdragon-855-scores

fernando sor said:
Wow I'm kind of amazed you would do virtually zero research. Based on anantech scores the Samsung varient is behind in virtually every category and also trailing the 845 version in many categories.
And just so you know I've done nothing with phones for years. I did write a few apps but I've not had the time in a while so I'm very out of it loop. I just know that Qualcomm is not behind Samsung in chip making. They are also better optimized and more power efficient.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14031/samsung-galaxy-s10-first-exynos-9820-vs-snapdragon-855-scores
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Then we agree that we disagree. I know potential of Exynos is more capable of Snapdragon in terms of camera department. They are similar of course I can't say one is better then the other. And to be honest for me few thousand points more on some bench doesn't mean a penny. It will load app 0.1 sec faster, do I need it? No. Would I like better camera like 4K 150fps well kinda yes but still to be honest kinda not worthy cuz I still record 1080p 60fps.
No bad feelings man, I wish you all the best just a little argumentative conversation ?

sille said:
u also get a 10h SoT with the exynos... and i can unlock it...
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Where is the 10 hr SoT from? I'm seeing some threads saying battery drain is a issue for the Exynos versions

GunGirlYuna said:
Where is the 10 hr SoT from? I'm seeing some threads saying battery drain is a issue for the Exynos versions
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Look in the review section, then battery thread. Multiple screenshots where Exy hits 10hrs. Take that as you will.

electrash said:
Subpar?
Dude they need to actually thorthle down Exynos power to match Snapdragon to be exact.
On S8 exyons is able to record longer with higher frame rate and higher resolution then snapdragon but they disable it so snapdragon could match up
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I guess this is a good reason to unlock and root to get a custom kernel with an overclock at some point!
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Corv0 said:
They're also middle-range busy markets that couldn't care less about Samsung flagships, so those units are almost nonexistent.
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Who buys them really isnt important the fact that they are easily purchased on Ebay is important. In that sense they exist in abundance.
What's almost nonexistent is development other than twrp and root for said devices.

Exynos 990 vs Snapdragon 865

Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?

Guitarfreak26 said:
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
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Snapdragon 855+ Galaxy Fold(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 11150
QRD865(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 10247
QRD865(Performance)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 12524
Exynos 990 S20Ultra(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 11823

Guitarfreak26 said:
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
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I also have the iPhone 11 Pro Max and coming back to Android and too be honest the Exynos VS SD865 does not really bother me, the performance is slower than the SD865 and possibly battery life (specially in standby) may not be the same, but the screen, camera, design, openness of Android more than make up for that I reckon.
Last time I had a Galaxy was the S10 and that was a very nice phone and my only gripe back then was the really poor signal quality so if this is resolved in the S20 Ultra then I am a happy.
You could of course import it if you must have the SD version.

Gadgetsboy on Twitter already discussing the poor battery life on Exynos models... And so it begins lol

Exynos was bad last year on the s10 plus but did get better with updates, eventually swapped for the p30 Pro which is a beast, I too am hoping it's better this year, why can't they all be snapdragon?

russellcausier said:
Exynos was bad last year on the s10 plus but did get better with updates, eventually swapped for the p30 Pro which is a beast, I too am hoping it's better this year, why can't they all be snapdragon?
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1) Not enough production.
2) Samsung makes a better profit from Exynos.
3) diversification is good, some years Qualcomm is better, some years Qualcomm is the SD810.

This was my initial question, as exynos has historically been crap.
Namely the GPU being underpowered compared to the same gen Adreno.
I've heard that the exynos / Mali this time is 20% faster, but that tells me nothing, I've also read that even South Korea has gone for the 865 which to me speaks volumes.
Not sure what all this would do for development, I've been away from Samsung since the S5 and note 4, I just couldn't deal with the exynos and it's sub par GPU, as I use emulators from time to time and the Adreno just works, plus you get driver updates.
If the new Mali is comparable to the Adreno (newest) then I'd think about getting this phone.
But my decision would hang on that and the aforementioned crap battery.
Have heard that this may be the last exynos too but couldn't confirm that.

Just wait for Gary explains YouTube channel to make a comparison between the two versions.
I guess the Snapdragon its going to be around 16% to 20% faster than the exynos.
https://youtu.be/MgRnbm9wrzg

You won't likely notice the performance difference. But you will notice the horrible standby battery drain. Overnight, my exynos S20U drop 7% in airplane mode. Compare that to just 1% for my Asus ROG Phone II (not in airplane). But still better than exynos S10+ (10% overnight).

I’m hoping it gets fixed with software updates. Was still on the fence about moving over even though I pre ordered. The battery life on the 11 pro max is absolutely insane, still debating whether it’s worth losing that lol
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Would an imported phone with Snapdragon work fine on European networks? I'm seriously considering importing the damn phone due to that Exynos nonsense..

Diaoul said:
Would an imported phone with Snapdragon work fine on European networks? I'm seriously considering importing the damn phone due to that Exynos nonsense..
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I'm in the same situation - considering getting the HK variant (G9880) which supports pretty much all of the 4G/5G network channels..
I had the S10+ 855 in Australia on Vodafone and it was magic. well over 50mbits+ more download speed than the Exynos too..

Yup I imported snapdragon variant unlocked. Working flawlessly

Zak0071 said:
Yup I imported snapdragon variant unlocked. Working flawlessly
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Where from?

Guitarfreak26 said:
Where from?
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Just use Wondamobile like always.

gavinfabl said:
Just use Wondamobile like always.
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Not shipping until 24th Got a exynos ordered from JL for now... Keep wondering whether to cancel or not

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Not shipping until 24th Got a exynos ordered from JL for now... Keep wondering whether to cancel or not
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Don’t cancel. The phone is belter. The noise out there is just noise. Look at it this way, find a phone as a package that has hardware and software as good as, as capable as this phone.

gavinfabl said:
Don’t cancel. The phone is belter. The noise out there is just noise. Look at it this way, find a phone as a package that has hardware and software as good as, as capable as this phone.
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Did you move from your Max? haha

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Did you move from your Max? haha
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Lol I’ve had a few phones. iPhone 11 Pro has my main sim at the moment. Hoping the Ultra takes over though.

I think this whole exynos thing is overblown, yes there are differences in battery standby etc but surely having a UK warranty, ability to go to a samsung centre for any repairs, resale value is more important?

Exynos or Snapdragon controversy

Hey folks ?!
Hope you guys doing good.
So from last few months I am seeing these heated arguments and criticism towards Samsung for using exynos and people claiming it to be "inferior" compared to snapdragon. I don't get it why people are focusing so much on benchmark these days. Just enjoy the experience you are getting it.
I was actually researching on this and came across Geekbench 5 where things turn out to be different in computer score or rather I should say openCL score. I don't know much about it so would be cool if anyone can shine light on it. Difference between exynos and snapdragon is exponentially high like it's insane. (check my ss).
Well I personally have been using snapdragon for more than 7-8 years now and this is my first exynos device, I am pretty happy with it. My last phone has SD 845 and I can say it's a pretty much a welcome improvement over it.
I wanted to know what you guys think about this ? Btw I am leaving my exynos benchmark below, would be cool to see where exactly the difference is present.

The major issue is that you pay the same price, if not more, for a worse hardware.

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The major issue is that you pay the same price, if not more, for a worse hardware.
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Well I agree on your part, many people claim the exynos is really trash but when I was browsing through different articles I came across opencl. It's a benchmarking code for CPU, GPU, ram, storage etc.
In this test exynos totally outclassed the snapdragon series. I thought it might be touchwiz restricting it but nope, one plus 7T had similar score.
Also exynos has a slightly better single core performance. This is what baffles me.

The thing is, many users complain about heavy throttling when cpu temps get high, which by the way, havs never ocurred to my 975F, in spite of heavy gaming/streamming and such over long periods of use (2-4 hours), so, from my experience, I have absolutely nothing to complain about, I am not, by any means saying that exynos is better ir superior, but, in NO WAY exynos is "trash" or samsung is abusive by putting them in flagship devices, I knew beforehand that an exynos SOC would be inside the device, nobody forced me to buy the device, if someone wants a snapdragon powered device, there are plenty if options to choose from, in fact, in my country there were snapdragon versions available, even cheaper, but not ditributed by carriers, which is a really important factor when warranty service/support is needed, so in the end it is not a matter of samsung abusing or deceiving customers, it is a matter of consumers assuming RESPONSABILITY for the decision they made to buy an international note series device THAT NOBODY forced them to

But there is the crux of the matter, I have no option BUT to get the Exynos variant in my country...
It has been proven time and again that the Exynos has higher power usage meaning that battery life is down by up to 20% in some tests, CPU does get throttled and also, due to the inferior processing power, photo's aren't as good on the Exynos versus the Snapdragon.
Hell, Samsung ditched their own chip in their home country in favour of the Snapdragon... Yet they keep pushing out their less premium hardware and still charge us the same as, or more than, the superior SoC phones...
Hopefully this will be rectified with their new deal with AMD but anyone who got the Exynos chip in their phone really has an inferior phone to the counterparts that got the Snapdragon.
Your argument that people can get the Snapdragon variant by looking around is not taking into account warranty is not honored for hardware that is for a different region. If you have a Snapdragon phone that has ANY warranty problem, it MUST be returned to the region that it came from which is ridiculous.
Samsung has admitted the Exynos is an inferior chip by replacing their own chip with the Snapdragon in their own country, now they need to do the same for everywhere else...

I maybe wrong, but don't Exynos variants get update faster than Snapdragon?

Tbh, I dont know if one version gets updates faster than the other, but, what I know for sure is, I really liked the device as it was when I purchased it, I researched enough to know about it, its best features and its performance, so, I just dont care much about future updates, as I liked the device for what it was out of the box, plain and simple