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this had been bugging me and now when i decide to look into it, all of the google searches are raped by news of the s4 and not answering my question. so with that said, why do all of the U.S. samsung devices get the qualcomm chips instead of the exynos processors from samsung? it just doesn't make sense to me as to why they would switch them up. o.0 and it bugs me more that the qualcomm chips (while still fast as a bat out of hell) are slower than the exynos chips that are in the international phones..
It was one of two options:
Go with the exynos, then have an external radio for the LTE resulting in worse battery life or...
Go with the dual core snapdragon that had the capabilities all on one chip.
It was tested and the actual real world performance was very similar between the two, so the option they chose gave us the best performance with the best battery while maintaining access to LTE.
A similar situation appears to be occurring on the S4. The Note II came with a quad core chip with LTE.... so our S4's will most likely be the same to get LTE. The Octo exynos is not ready for the LTE inclusion YET. By the time the "Note 3" is out, it might be ready for prime time.
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It was one of two options:
Go with the exynos, then have an external radio for the LTE resulting in worse battery life or...
Go with the dual core snapdragon that had the capabilities all on one chip.
It was tested and the actual real world performance was very similar between the two, so the option they chose gave us the best performance with the best battery while maintaining access to LTE.
A similar situation appears to be occurring on the S4. The Note II came with a quad core chip with LTE.... so our S4's will most likely be the same to get LTE. The Octo exynos is not ready for the LTE inclusion YET. By the time the "Note 3" is out, it might be ready for prime time.
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thanks for the info but you would think that they would have included lte while designing the exynos octa considering lte isn't exactly a new technology anymore oh well. my contract is still a year and 4 months from ending and im perfectly content with my s3. maybe they will have it figured out by the s5 haha
The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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If Samsung didn't care about there customers you would just get another dual core processor phone. It will either come with Octo or quad core. Regardless of which one it actually comes with, it's gonna be an upgrade
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The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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Most customers don't buy their phone because of benchmarks or boasting rights about how many cores it has. I don't care what processor it has as long as it has good battery life and isn't laggy.
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Most customers don't buy their phone because of benchmarks or boasting rights about how many cores it has. I don't care what processor it has as long as it has good battery life and isn't laggy.
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That's true. I there's a [floating] statistic that like only 12% of people root/jail break their phones anyway; so on that statistic, the other 88% is just based on surface features and shinyness. I bet if you asked most people they couldn't tell you what kind of processor is in the phone.
Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me
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Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me
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My taughts about the exynos 8 headed snake and the 4 headed snapdragon is that folks like myself in the USA once again got the stick up our arses. I once pridicted in the SGS3 thread that samsung would do exactly same as with sgs3 which was releaseing a dualcore in usa and quad core in the UK. And they advertise big gs3 quadcore to hype their sale pitch while putting the stick up costomers behind because obviously 90% people dont look at specs of their phone. Well once again its same,gs4 quad in usa while octacore UK. The whole excitement for me was the octacore and their new "big little idea" which was claim to save power consumption etc.
Anyway I own the gs4 snapdragon model now simply because I would have had to stick to 2G speed if I had gotten the exynos model due to lack of band support for network in USA.
The whole overheating thing is not new,the exynos sgs3 and the old snapdragon htc one I had own all over heated despite different cpu when playing games or doing heavy tasks. I also experience it with the gs4 but only while playing games. I must say that it looks like Samsung did spend more time tweaking the governor behavior because on light tasks while multy tasking the cpu dont just jump to the highest frequency as frequently as in their other phones as to consume power unnecessary. But all 4 cores goes online too quickly but at least they go offline fast. So theirs still stuff to be tuned that can dramatically improve cpu efficiency and function.plus wance we get some custom kernels to tweak the voltages of the cpu and gpu it should stop the overheating. Most times over heating is also caused by the cpu frequency ramping up to the highest speed and staying their too long. The snapdragon processor is very fast I must say. Havent had a slowdown since I bought the phone and for stock,battery life is verygood.I could go threw more than a day with medium to light tasks.
Also another thing that Samsung corrected was the oversaturatedness of the screen color which was awfull in the previous sgs3,the brightness of the screen have also improved while in the sunlight compare to the gs3 screen. Thankfully their was Andrelux that released his Perseus kernel in the gs3 section to combat that color problem and everything else I mentioned above plus more. Hopefully their will also be some good dev in the gs4 section to improve user experience. Overall I find the gs4 a decent upgrade weather it have the snapdragon or exynos since samsung corrected and improve upon most things and some that I may have forgot to mention.
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In the side by side tests I did, the i9500 beat the M919 in every area including the GPU, screen response, UI smoothness, HSPA+ data speeds, etc. As far as the heat is concerned I have read an equal amount of complaints on both forums.
I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.
Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.
According to Engadget the Exynos bests the Snapdragon in about the same amount of tests as the Snapdragon beats the Exynos. A surprising result of their tests shows that the Snapdragon beats the big.LITTLE architecture in a video playback duration test by about 20%
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skygear said:
I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.
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Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
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Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.
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You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.
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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.
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Im not going into pointless arguments with you. You clearly have not looked at the linkd I refered you too because then you would not be asking all the useless questions youre asking me.
This is why their is always pointless arguments,simply because reading is not emphasize enough on XDA to educate people on the topic before they begin to criticise and pout senseless discussions.
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I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.
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I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.
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You sound like a broken record. I own the M919 running stock and I have yet to experience any lags you mention. For me this is not a competition as which phone is faster,true speed is important but its about the technology behind the makeing and how well it balance in terms of speed and battery. Especially battery performance ,which I think is the reason behind this so call big little architecture samsung have came up with. After all how big are they gonna keep makeing each generation of phones in order to squeeze in a bit more juice into a bigger size battery to run these so call faster more powerfull processors each time a new device comes out, thus the big little thing. If you think about it battery technology have not change since the crack of smartphones and maybe further back but the high demands for speedy more battery hungry chips are in demand each day as productivity increases.
Now I wish I had the octa core to see how it works if any improvement but sadly I dont. From my experience so far with the M919,its very fast cause all 4 core kicks in immediately wether its a small or big task(mean it waste battery),it gets warm to hot too quick while playing games (battery waste again) but the graphics are excellent. Theirs lots of room for improvement on the processor such as a custom kernel to undervolt and regulate the cores to work more efficiently. I randomly left my phone ideling for 24hours and few hours connected to wifi at home and I had a 15% battery drain with about 7mins of use. I had nothing syncing. I think that was good but also can improve with kernel tweaks wance available.
Take note the amount of info I have given you on one device. I didn't just blahh out "m919 is garbage because its slow and I9500 is the fastest **** on the block" unless people just wanna look at benchmarks daily and say "I feel so proud my phone is the fastest ****". It maybe faster yes but right now the software can only function as fast as it was optomize to be if you understand. And I dont know where you get your intell from to pridict product updates and kernel development,im sure their will be kernels and updates available as same with older phones. No one is left out of anything.
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My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......
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My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......
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True that if youre waiting on the carrier to release an update its a whole new story but if youre here on xda or aware of the community then you know thats not a problem.
Have you ever taught the Accuweather was optomize N design to run on the S3 flawless. I couldent evin find that wallpaper existance on the playstore.So its prob garbage cause theirs other accuweather live wallpaper available their that works fine.
Im currently running the "Ditalix live wallpaper" which was design for highend devices like the Galaxy S4 and GS3 to look beautiful and run flawless like silk and uses up the largest amount of memory I have ever seen for a wallpaper 256mb in the background,yet no lags. if you were to read the reviews for it on the playstore you would notice it indeed does not work on just any device. So if that can run so good on the M919 I dont see why a low rated Accuweather wallpaper for the old gs3 cannot unless like I said,it was specifically optomize for the gs3 device screen etc. Low fps + low resolution scenario. Anything will lag and look crappy with that case.
This is why prople are misleaded sometimes because a few people screwup and they wisper something is not good cause they had such a terrible experience when its not the device fault.
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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.
Another day, another ****-measuring contest...
They're both top-tier devices. There are only a handful of comparable handsets, and the only ones I can think of that're clearly more powerful are the (China-only) Medfield-core Lenovo K-series.
The Exynos will probably be the winner between i9500/i9505, WHEN/IF the driver issues are worked out, but till then the best device is whichever one's in your hand.
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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.
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Now you seem to be makeing more sense and posting a proper comment so people can actually make an intelligent decision. Unlike your first 2 posts.
Youre lucky to have good hsdpa+ in your area running I9500 cause when I had the international galaxy s3 tmobile had just made the transition over to support international bandwith for hsdpa+ and the speed and signal was terrible in my area. Had to use 2g speeds. Thats the reason I did not purchase the international model of the galaxy s4 this round,i dont care for lte,3G speed or 4G which I now have would do it for me. Im dont regret my purchase of the M919 cause so far my experience is good.
The only thing I could say to folks looking to buy in the USA and leaning towards the M919 is if possible stay away from tmobile and buy it non carrier branded from a reputable source if the price is right. Tmobile sells the phone at full price if you wanna avoid the monthly down payment but despite buying it at full price and already haveing a contract with them, they sell you it with a contract plus new number as part of the whole deal which is totally ridiculous. Then u have to go threw the idiotic process of canceling it wance u receive your device.
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There's too much misinformation around and once I get my unit I will have about 28 days to decide if to keep it or skip this generation, I would like to use this thread to build evidence on how good or bad the international version of this device is, if Samsung scammed 90% of the world then they don't deserve our money.
I'm getting mixed feelings about this chip, In speed test G the 855 beats it by a huge margin, so most people went back spitting at it for being a badly optimized SoC.
Anandtech's Comparisons Show super disappointing scores for the S10 Exynos version, but many of the scores presented make no sense, with older hardware of the same OEM scoring better than the newest, I don't know how much to believe that review and I hope it is fake or badly executed, to my interest, my pre-order comes with the Exynos version and there's no way to have warranty on a 855 in the UK.
Then, the positive evidence we have is that it beats every other released phone on the market in battery usage, there's no such video about the 855 yet so we can't compare them, but that's all I found about the battery of this chip.
In a S10+ vs iPhone XS Max, the S10+ again Exynos beats the iPhone on almost every application, I didn't expect that to happen since it almost never happened, the apps are supposedly the same most of the time and they might as well have completely different algorithms to do the same task done superficially, but generally iOS apps are cleaner inside and their developers have higher standards of work, so how can Exynos be THAT much better?
From my experience with the exynos galaxy s9+ I can tell you that exynos chips are more designed for daily usages. Snapdragon is for those who are looking for the higher geekbench scores and better graphics in games.
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...if Samsung scammed 90% of the world then they don't deserve our money.
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How did they scam anyone?
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How did they scam anyone?
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By selling a higher priced, inferior version of the product without mentioning any sort of difference, when the differences are huge.
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By selling a higher priced, inferior version of the product without mentioning any sort of difference, when the differences are huge.
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Well, I'm located in the US and my carrier is Verizon, which heavily relies on CDMA. For half a decade I've had to get what Samsung sells in the US (Snapdragon) and I've never complained about it, even with every generation I've had to deal with Exynos users bragging about how theirs is better. The phones have always worked for what I needed them to. No need for every Exynos fanboy to go up in arms over speed test results. These phones aren't high end gaming computers and I seriously doubt the differences between the two processors will be noticeable in everyday use. Also, it's obvious there's a difference by the Exynos being an 8nm processor and the Snapdragon being a 7nm. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other by default but the technology is different. I think you'll be satisfied with how well your phone performs, regardless of the processor.
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Well, I'm located in the US and my carrier is Verizon, which heavily relies on CDMA. For half a decade I've had to get what Samsung sells in the US (Snapdragon) and I've never complained about it, even with every generation I've had to deal with Exynos users bragging about how theirs is better. The phones have always worked for what I needed them to. No need for every Exynos fanboy to go up in arms over speed test results. These phones aren't high end gaming computers and I seriously doubt the differences between the two processors will be noticeable in everyday use. Also, it's obvious there's a difference by the Exynos being an 8nm processor and the Snapdragon being a 7nm. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other by default but the technology is different. I think you'll be satisfied with how well your phone performs, regardless of the processor.
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If there was a 10% difference in speed or battery usage I wouldn't mind, the problem is that according to some tests, it scores worse than the previous gen 845.
Don't get me wrong, I really want to be an Exynos fan and I wish it becomes the dominant choice worldwide since Samsung benefits from it and so do the developers, but I can't support it being worse than a competitor's 2018 SoC while I paid the premium price for it.
Meanwhile, another video where the Exynos has insane battery life, the 6T beats it by one minute, but considering the fact that S10+'s screen is denser and the video recording at the end probably drains more due to the higher quality, it's pretty much a winner.
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Snapdragon is for those who are looking for the higher geekbench scores and better graphics in games.
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Naw, Snapdragon is much better, it's the new 7nm beast, which beats the Exynos. It need less mAh for more power, cuz GPU destroy Mali GPU from Exynos.
Nothing to do with benchmark, just a cheaper SoC for EU and better SoC for rest.
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Naw, Snapdragon is much better, it's the new 7nm beast, which beats the Exynos. It need less mAh for more power, cuz GPU destroy Mali GPU from Exynos.
Nothing to do with benchmark, just a cheaper SoC for EU and better SoC for rest.
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Comparing node density at these levels is not better than bragging about having 1 extra centimeter somewhere, irrelevant if not implemented properly, and node density improvements are supposed to bring theoretic improvements, there's no guarantee they always do.
Look at Kirin's 7nm, very early product and poorly implemented, Apple's jump from 10 to 7 nm also showed quite unimpressive improvements, completely insignificant in real world usage singe iPhone's battery life sucks unless the phone is locked.
And no, it's not a cheaper SoC for the EU, you can literally count how many countries get the Snapdragon on a single hand. The whole rest of the world gets Exynos, stop thinking you're in the center of the universe.
@klanac8901 @Corv0 I was trying to not turn this thread into a d*** measuring contest, I would suggest the two of you follow suit and keep your preferences and opinions to yourselves or else this thread is worthless.
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If there was a 10% difference in speed or battery usage I wouldn't mind, the problem is that according to some tests, it scores worse than the previous gen 845.
Don't get me wrong, I really want to be an Exynos fan and I wish it becomes the dominant choice worldwide since Samsung benefits from it and so do the developers, but I can't support it being worse than a competitor's 2018 SoC while I paid the premium price for it.
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Meanwhile, another video where the Exynos has insane battery life, the 6T beats it by one minute, but considering the fact that S10+'s screen is denser and the video recording at the end probably drains more due to the higher quality, it's pretty much a winner.
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Samsung heavily advertised their new chip as being efficient. With that said, you should get better battery life as well as a great chip at a minimum. Then, for dev's and users like yourself, there will be the ability to tweak every little thing on your phone to improve speed and keep that efficiency. Sure, right out of the box you may not be the best but you're damn close. Give a developer the tools needed and it could, and probably will, become what you want it to be or even greater.
Samsung doesn't scam people, they've made a name for themselves and I would think they want to keep it that way. The Exynos is their baby, you don't think they'd make a crap product for the majority of their users do you? How else would they get their customers to return?
I did see that video earlier, looks pretty sweet if you ask me. I'm excited to see what this phone is capable of in the long run.
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@klanac8901 @Corv0 I was trying to not turn this thread into a d*** measuring contest, I would suggest the two of you follow suit and keep your preferences and opinions to yourselves or else this thread is worthless.
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I have no preference or opinion, all I'm sharing is neutrality and I want unbiased facts.
I decide if this thread is worthless or not, so I don't really see what you're trying to moderate here, don't discount on me.
Without going off topic, Here the S10+ shows some odd behaviour, most of the time when it loses you can see the app taking even 0.5-1s to launch after the icon is tapped, other times it launches and it spends too much in a black screen, it wins every other speed test when that doesn't happen.
Some youtubers mentioned having issues when running these speed tests, some apps kept continuously crashing and they had to select specific shared apps for the tests.
All I can think about is that the Exynos lacks optimisation, on the kernel side or the scheduler, since it is actually newer than the 855.
We spotted 855 reference devices months ago and it had plenty time to mature regarding software support, plus it's a shared platform that doesn't need specific hacks from a single manufacturer.
Even with the node deficiency in mind, the Exynos looks way better on paper than its counterpart, raw single core performance and the super low memory latency show how much silicon power and efficiency there is thanks to proper cache placement this time, hopefully they get their software fixed before the public gets away with a negative impression.
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I have no preference or opinion, all I'm sharing is neutrality and I want unbiased facts.
I decide if this thread is worthless or not, so I don't really see what you're trying to moderate here, don't discount on me.
Without going off topic, Here the S10+ shows some odd behaviour, most of the time when it loses you can see the app taking even 0.5-1s to launch after the icon is tapped, other times it launches and it spends too much in a black screen, it wins every other speed test when that doesn't happen.
Some youtubers mentioned having issues when running these speed tests, some apps kept continuously crashing and they had to select specific shared apps for the tests.
All I can think about is that the Exynos lacks optimisation, on the kernel side or the scheduler, since it is actually newer than the 855.
We spotted 855 reference devices months ago and it had plenty time to mature regarding software support, plus it's a shared platform that doesn't need specific hacks from a single manufacturer.
Even with the node deficiency in mind, the Exynos looks way better on paper than its counterpart, raw single core performance and the super low memory latency show how much silicon power and efficiency there is thanks to proper cache placement this time, hopefully they get their software fixed before the public gets away with a negative impression.
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All I was saying was that a "mine is better than yours" doesn't promote a good discussion. I'm not moderating anything, but I doubt you want this thread to become "the big debate between SD and Exynos".
Back on topic though, I honestly think you'll end up with the superior processor in the end. As I said earlier, you will have the ability to tweak settings that I'll never be able to get close to changing. It's a new chip and it will take some time for developers to find what works better, within Samsung and even here on XDA. Don't base your opinion upon your first use of the device.
In regards to the videos you mentioned of YouTubers having issues, I've seen users saying that the pre-release models they're using are not equivalent to what will be commercially available. I'm not sure if that's true but I could see that being a possibility.
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All I was saying was that a "mine is better than yours" doesn't promote a good discussion. I'm not moderating anything, but I doubt you want this thread to become "the big debate between SD and Exynos".
Back on topic though, I honestly think you'll end up with the superior processor in the end. As I said earlier, you will have the ability to tweak settings that I'll never be able to get close to changing. It's a new chip and it will take some time for developers to find what works better, within Samsung and even here on XDA. Don't base your opinion upon your first use of the device.
In regards to the videos you mentioned of YouTubers having issues, I've seen users saying that the pre-release models they're using are not equivalent to what will be commercially available. I'm not sure if that's true but I could see that being a possibility.
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Not really a debate between the two since Snapdragon's not accessible to most people and I wouldn't want a censored platform either , he just sounded bad with the usual "uh but 7nm is better than 8".
I checked the demo versions in stores multiple times and they work flawlessly, it makes the whole benchmark drama looks overblown, let's hope it becomes a reliable platform.
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Not really a debate between the two since Snapdragon's not accessible to most people and I wouldn't want a censored platform either , he just sounded bad with the usual "uh but 7nm is better than 8".
I checked the demo versions in stores multiple times and they work flawlessly, it makes the whole benchmark drama looks overblown, let's hope it becomes a reliable platform.
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Exactly why I said that.
Light use of those phones may not have resulted in any noticing issues tough.
I have an Exynos S10+ right now (retail unit) and would be happy to share any information you guys want. benchmark numbers, camera samples...anything. just reply to my post
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I have an Exynos S10+ right now (retail unit) and would be happy to share any information you guys want. benchmark numbers, camera samples...anything. just reply to my post
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Please run all PCmark's benchmarks
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Please run all PCmark's benchmarks
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Here you go
How is this a scam? Samsung clearly tells you the specification they're selling you. They aren't hiding nothing lol. Your definition of scam is flawed yo.
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How is this a scam? Samsung clearly tells you the specification they're selling you. They aren't hiding nothing lol. Your definition of scam is flawed yo.
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Specifications are meaningless, the only info they shared is simple superficial stuff that we already knew, there's no guarantee of same performance levels across all variants and there clearly is a difference at the moment.
If you sell "octa core processor" around while half of the units have worse performance than the previous generation, that's a scam.
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Specifications are meaningless, the only info they shared is simple superficial stuff that we already knew, there's no guarantee of same performance levels across all variants and there clearly is a difference at the moment.
If you sell "octa core processor" around while half of the units have worse performance than the previous generation, that's a scam.
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That's not a scam. Your definition of scam doesn't make sense.
If they wanted to sell something slower than last generation, that's fine, you got your information, don't buy it. They aren't hiding anything from you, they are pretty much giving you all the information before you buy it. You're the one at fault for buying it. Plus this is faster than last Exynos generation, so it's actually valid for the continent it sold at.
I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
Samsung is never going to put a Snapdragon outside US on flagships
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Samsung is never going to put a Snapdragon outside US on flagships
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My Note 8 in India has a Snapdragon
pittas said:
I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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Oh come on already, yes it's worse than the SD one, by a couple percent. Battery life is good this time around, random drain seems to be fixed. This is like reading a Reddit rant where people riot because it only has 1000 nits of peak brightness while my torch has thrice of that.
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My Note 8 in India has a Snapdragon
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thats odd , mine is Exynos , Are you sure you bought indian variant ?
mine has been performing great so far I don't know what you're talking about ahahah I'm going to test battery life better today so we'll see
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mine has been performing great so far I don't know what you're talking about ahahah I'm going to test battery life better today so we'll see
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That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.
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That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.
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Why do there have to be two variants anyway? Why do they bother to go with two?
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Isn't Samsung working with AMD or someone to improve you performance. If that happens it should keep up well with Qualcomm. it's that Mali from ARM that slows things down.
chetly968 said:
Isn't Samsung working with AMD or someone to improve you performance. If that happens it should keep up well with Qualcomm. it's that Mali from ARM that slows things down.
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Correct. But this new soc ain't coming before 2021.
It's 2019 and samsung released a 1100+$ phone without flagship specs, this exynos soc can maybe compete with last year's snapdragon 845, not 855 and much less with 855+.
It's a bad joke and huge letdown.
pittas said:
I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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On what basis are you saying that Note 10 exynos equal to SD 845 in performance? please don't tell you you watch this nonsense speed test g!
See antutu score s10 SD vs note 10 exynos attached
What matters to me is the smoothness and daily performance. My Note10+ with Exonys 9825 feels snappier and has less lag than my Pixel 3XL with SD 845. Perhaps because it's brand new, I don't know.
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pittas said:
That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.
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3 years?
It all started last year, 4 times in a row, so far. Prior to S9, Exynos was not inferior to SD.
It's to do with the CPU architecture, that needs a change and only time will tell, possibly starting with the S11 or above.
Or don't pay attention to what america has?
You've got the ability to root to your hearts content with the exynos chip. Americas are pretty limited in that regard.
I'm not sure what difference it really makes to you if you've been using exynos chips for the past few years as it's an upgrade to what you've been using regardless.
Coming from a note 8 to the note 10+ was a huge and I mean huge difference to me.
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3 years?
It all started last year, 4 times in a row, so far. Prior to S9, Exynos was not inferior to SD.
It's to do with the CPU architecture, that needs a change and only time will tell, possibly starting with the S11 or above.
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I'm not going to argue about the n10+ as I have the US version and haven't had an exynos since the Galaxy Tab s2, which I immediately upgraded to the SD version of that tablet, so I can say that well over 3 years ago this was a problem. The GT S2 on the SD was SOOO much better.
I get what the OP is saying though, It is like buying a car and finding out the next door neighbour got a turbo on his stock model while yours is just a plain old engine...
It is annoying that Samsung has this diversity in it's models and while yes, you have upgraded from like to like, it does seem unfair that someone else has a "better" version but paid the same (or less) than you did...
I know here in Oz it is frustrating seeing what other countries get , 1 Note 10+ and a Note 10 for the price of a Note 10 + and other pe-order deals.
With my pre-order Note 9, here in Oz, I got a wireless charger while o'seas people were getting a 512gb SD card and more... Where is the fairness in that Samsung?
So, even though I have a brand spanking new toy it leaves a bitter taste of gall in your mouth to think you got less than what others have and paying the same price....
Hoping for Anandtech to. do a Note 10 review with a E8925 to see if Samsung made some progress on Exynos' traditional slow ramp up of cpu mhz. Saw this and A76/M4 are not handing Geekbench 5 workload/weighting well.
https://twitter.com/andreif7/status/1164927585471598594
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I'm not going to argue about the n10+ as I have the US version and haven't had an exynos since the Galaxy Tab s2, which I immediately upgraded to the SD version of that tablet, so I can say that well over 3 years ago this was a problem. The GT S2 on the SD was SOOO much better.
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We are talking about smartphones and not about 5 year old tablets. The Exynos variants of those tabs were from 2015 and SD were from 2016, ofcourse "upgraded".
pittas said:
I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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Agree. :good:
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
roydok said:
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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At the moment I'm not sure.
Historically the exynos has been behind in the GPU department.
But the trade off has been the SD chips have been bootloader locked.
The exynos I've heard can still be unlocked, so if the GPU / CPU has caught up at all then it would be the preferred device in my opinion.
But too tell the truth it's really down to you.
I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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Ahhh don't say that
So long as it can run the windwaker at a solid 30fps I'll be happy.
Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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Since Galaxy S8, Snapdragon is ahead of the number game in benchmarks. The last good performing Exynos is from the Galaxy S7. In normal day to day usage, you won't notice the performance difference though, they're mostly identical in speed except for the battery efficiency, Exynos drains battery faster.
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Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
Early bench marks already show the Exynos 990 is a pile of turd. While I'll reserve judgement until the direct comparisons have been done the initial results are similar to last year's. 99% of phone users won't root either. So that should not even be a consideration Pal
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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Nah mate I wholeheartedly disagree, I had the OnePlus 5 which I think had an 850 and compared to any exynos at the time or the one after the oneplus outperformed it on the dolphin emulator, all games from the play store and benchmarks.
The GPU has always been the exynos' weak spot, I just hope this year they may have caught up a little.
Single core CPU performance and multi had been close, which is why using the device appeared fine, but the GPU is a different matter