Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me
reanew said:
Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me
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My taughts about the exynos 8 headed snake and the 4 headed snapdragon is that folks like myself in the USA once again got the stick up our arses. I once pridicted in the SGS3 thread that samsung would do exactly same as with sgs3 which was releaseing a dualcore in usa and quad core in the UK. And they advertise big gs3 quadcore to hype their sale pitch while putting the stick up costomers behind because obviously 90% people dont look at specs of their phone. Well once again its same,gs4 quad in usa while octacore UK. The whole excitement for me was the octacore and their new "big little idea" which was claim to save power consumption etc.
Anyway I own the gs4 snapdragon model now simply because I would have had to stick to 2G speed if I had gotten the exynos model due to lack of band support for network in USA.
The whole overheating thing is not new,the exynos sgs3 and the old snapdragon htc one I had own all over heated despite different cpu when playing games or doing heavy tasks. I also experience it with the gs4 but only while playing games. I must say that it looks like Samsung did spend more time tweaking the governor behavior because on light tasks while multy tasking the cpu dont just jump to the highest frequency as frequently as in their other phones as to consume power unnecessary. But all 4 cores goes online too quickly but at least they go offline fast. So theirs still stuff to be tuned that can dramatically improve cpu efficiency and function.plus wance we get some custom kernels to tweak the voltages of the cpu and gpu it should stop the overheating. Most times over heating is also caused by the cpu frequency ramping up to the highest speed and staying their too long. The snapdragon processor is very fast I must say. Havent had a slowdown since I bought the phone and for stock,battery life is verygood.I could go threw more than a day with medium to light tasks.
Also another thing that Samsung corrected was the oversaturatedness of the screen color which was awfull in the previous sgs3,the brightness of the screen have also improved while in the sunlight compare to the gs3 screen. Thankfully their was Andrelux that released his Perseus kernel in the gs3 section to combat that color problem and everything else I mentioned above plus more. Hopefully their will also be some good dev in the gs4 section to improve user experience. Overall I find the gs4 a decent upgrade weather it have the snapdragon or exynos since samsung corrected and improve upon most things and some that I may have forgot to mention.
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In the side by side tests I did, the i9500 beat the M919 in every area including the GPU, screen response, UI smoothness, HSPA+ data speeds, etc. As far as the heat is concerned I have read an equal amount of complaints on both forums.
I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.
Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.
According to Engadget the Exynos bests the Snapdragon in about the same amount of tests as the Snapdragon beats the Exynos. A surprising result of their tests shows that the Snapdragon beats the big.LITTLE architecture in a video playback duration test by about 20%
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skygear said:
I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.
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Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
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Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.
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You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.
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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.
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Im not going into pointless arguments with you. You clearly have not looked at the linkd I refered you too because then you would not be asking all the useless questions youre asking me.
This is why their is always pointless arguments,simply because reading is not emphasize enough on XDA to educate people on the topic before they begin to criticise and pout senseless discussions.
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I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.
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I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.
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You sound like a broken record. I own the M919 running stock and I have yet to experience any lags you mention. For me this is not a competition as which phone is faster,true speed is important but its about the technology behind the makeing and how well it balance in terms of speed and battery. Especially battery performance ,which I think is the reason behind this so call big little architecture samsung have came up with. After all how big are they gonna keep makeing each generation of phones in order to squeeze in a bit more juice into a bigger size battery to run these so call faster more powerfull processors each time a new device comes out, thus the big little thing. If you think about it battery technology have not change since the crack of smartphones and maybe further back but the high demands for speedy more battery hungry chips are in demand each day as productivity increases.
Now I wish I had the octa core to see how it works if any improvement but sadly I dont. From my experience so far with the M919,its very fast cause all 4 core kicks in immediately wether its a small or big task(mean it waste battery),it gets warm to hot too quick while playing games (battery waste again) but the graphics are excellent. Theirs lots of room for improvement on the processor such as a custom kernel to undervolt and regulate the cores to work more efficiently. I randomly left my phone ideling for 24hours and few hours connected to wifi at home and I had a 15% battery drain with about 7mins of use. I had nothing syncing. I think that was good but also can improve with kernel tweaks wance available.
Take note the amount of info I have given you on one device. I didn't just blahh out "m919 is garbage because its slow and I9500 is the fastest **** on the block" unless people just wanna look at benchmarks daily and say "I feel so proud my phone is the fastest ****". It maybe faster yes but right now the software can only function as fast as it was optomize to be if you understand. And I dont know where you get your intell from to pridict product updates and kernel development,im sure their will be kernels and updates available as same with older phones. No one is left out of anything.
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My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......
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My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......
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True that if youre waiting on the carrier to release an update its a whole new story but if youre here on xda or aware of the community then you know thats not a problem.
Have you ever taught the Accuweather was optomize N design to run on the S3 flawless. I couldent evin find that wallpaper existance on the playstore.So its prob garbage cause theirs other accuweather live wallpaper available their that works fine.
Im currently running the "Ditalix live wallpaper" which was design for highend devices like the Galaxy S4 and GS3 to look beautiful and run flawless like silk and uses up the largest amount of memory I have ever seen for a wallpaper 256mb in the background,yet no lags. if you were to read the reviews for it on the playstore you would notice it indeed does not work on just any device. So if that can run so good on the M919 I dont see why a low rated Accuweather wallpaper for the old gs3 cannot unless like I said,it was specifically optomize for the gs3 device screen etc. Low fps + low resolution scenario. Anything will lag and look crappy with that case.
This is why prople are misleaded sometimes because a few people screwup and they wisper something is not good cause they had such a terrible experience when its not the device fault.
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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.
Another day, another ****-measuring contest...
They're both top-tier devices. There are only a handful of comparable handsets, and the only ones I can think of that're clearly more powerful are the (China-only) Medfield-core Lenovo K-series.
The Exynos will probably be the winner between i9500/i9505, WHEN/IF the driver issues are worked out, but till then the best device is whichever one's in your hand.
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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.
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Now you seem to be makeing more sense and posting a proper comment so people can actually make an intelligent decision. Unlike your first 2 posts.
Youre lucky to have good hsdpa+ in your area running I9500 cause when I had the international galaxy s3 tmobile had just made the transition over to support international bandwith for hsdpa+ and the speed and signal was terrible in my area. Had to use 2g speeds. Thats the reason I did not purchase the international model of the galaxy s4 this round,i dont care for lte,3G speed or 4G which I now have would do it for me. Im dont regret my purchase of the M919 cause so far my experience is good.
The only thing I could say to folks looking to buy in the USA and leaning towards the M919 is if possible stay away from tmobile and buy it non carrier branded from a reputable source if the price is right. Tmobile sells the phone at full price if you wanna avoid the monthly down payment but despite buying it at full price and already haveing a contract with them, they sell you it with a contract plus new number as part of the whole deal which is totally ridiculous. Then u have to go threw the idiotic process of canceling it wance u receive your device.
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Hi all.
I'm delighted with my One X but my friends all keep telling me that the Galaxy S 3 'blows it out of the water'. I obviously don't agree with them and I'm not particularly pleased that Samsung have created their own band of little fanboys like Apple have.
What is your position on this?
The way I see it, the One X:
Looks and feels massively superior, like a premium, well designed product
Has a better screen, the S3 screen is no different to the Nexus and most people would agree the One X runs rings around it in all areas except for black levels
Has a pretty equal camera, that's better in low light
The only main downside to the X is that the video recording is a bit stuttering, but aside from that it's pretty good.
Am I overlooking anything, I don't care about expandable storage. Why are people getting so 'heated' and upset over these things, it's almost as if you aren't allowed to prefer the One X.
For me main advantage of galaxy is its by far superior battery life.
This thread will probably get closed.
but just thell them;
A)They don't know what they're talking about.
B)It's not innovative, Pop up play, SVoice, all copied.
C)Ugly design
D)Ugly pentile matrix
E) less feature packed camera with Supposedly a worse camera from test shots (Will be seen)
F) It has touchwiz (Enough to turn me away)
And I'd your clutching at straws then G) It gas Nvidias tightly knitted support with game developers meaning optimised HD games for The One X, not for the S3
They're my reasons anyhow, I would have sold my One X if the S3 proved to me it was Better, but it didn't so saved me the hassle
by all means the difference is unfounded, though its true SGSIII is some what slightly better,
there are 3 differences worth mentioning, beside looks feels and fanboy preference,(HOX vs SGSIII)
1)Rom, im only mentioning this because whatever is found in one can and will be ported to the other
2)Battery 1800Ah vs 2100mAh
3)Nvidia vs Exynos
about the GPU im not sure how thing work with these,
but something tell me that Nvidia's game will be Nvidia GPU exclusive,
whether they can be patched it beyond me,
while i dont see Exynos Exclusive Games, correct me if im wrong.
so i hope this blows your friends comment about 'blows it out of the water'
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about better life i dont personally know how it compares
specially with T3 & its 4+1 core arrangement
Yes Samsung is better. I mean come on being # 1 and getting 9 million preorders on the s3 pretty much says it all. Plus exynos > tegra 3
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Yes Samsung is better. I mean come on being # 1 and getting 9 million preorders on the s3 pretty much says it all. Plus exynos > tegra 3
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By your logic the iPhone must be the best phone on the planet because it sells the most.
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I'm delighted with my One X but my friends all keep telling me that the Galaxy S 3 'blows it out of the water'.
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Yeah mate, you should always give in to peer pressure. Whatever you do, don't stand by your own assessments. Seriously, what are you waiting for? Run!
I really hate touchwiz. Its just not as beautiful and functional. Sense always has very small nitty gritty details covered and I really see the effort in making the user experience awesome, save the bloat as compared to stock or other manufacturer skins. It all depends on what the user is looking for in the end anyway
As everyone knows S3 has better specs, but do they really matter to you? S3 may get higher benchmark scores, but in reality user experience will be pretty similar, perhaps with the exception of gaming. Unless you play lot of games you are not going to notice any difference. Both phones are going to be limited by the amount of RAM far before they are going to be bottle necked by processing power, so you are not really gaining much.
The only downside of One X (for me at least) is battery life and lack of a removable battery. I personally believe OneX's battery life will get better with new firmware releases and tweaks, but even with all the tweaks it may still fall behind S3. Again, how important is it ? For me a phone that can last 1 day or 1.5 days makes no difference because I only charge my phone at night. If it can last a day that is more than enough for me. But a day's use depends on the user and if One X cant last a day, then it could be a real deal breaker. For me this is the only rational reason for anyone already having a One X to upgrade to a S3.
Finally what about cost of upgrading? Right now there is a considerable value difference between the two (depending on your region it could be as high as $250). For me S3 is not worth that much more. Since you already have a One X the upgrade will cost you even more. Given everything IMO you are better off holding on to your One X (and money) for at least a year or so till something worthy comes along (i.e: 2GB, better cam/12MP??, better processor, better screen, Android 5)
I’m still contemplating on my next smartphone, but so far the price difference and S3's hideous design has pushed me towards One X. I don’t want to spend close to $800 on a phone that’s going to be outdated in a year or a year and a half at most.
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The long story short is that even though its been out on the International Galaxy S3 for over three months, they don't even have a roadmap for when it will be released in the US.
Once you decipher the PR-speak, it becomes pretty apparent that they don't have current plans to release the update in the US, and more than likely will never release it for our devices.
ergonomicz said:
The long story short is that even though its been out on the International Galaxy S3 for over three months, they don't even have a roadmap for when it will be released in the US.
Once you decipher the PR-speak from their support rep, it becomes pretty apparent that they don't have current plans to release the update in the US, and more than likely will never release it for our devices.
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I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
SeaFractor said:
I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series...
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Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series...
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I am sure that I will never buy a vendor`s device again.
For sure I am not going to stay long in this device.
I didnt stay long to get ICS on my Galaxy s ; JB on Galaxy s 2; and for sure I dont hope to get and want to wait JB 4.2.2 on our s3.
March 14 is near and so htc one is on way.
Quick question. Now that tmobile brought their 1900 band and which bands for LTE they have. And now iPhones works with tmobile's 3G. Does buying an international S3 or any international phone will it have more than edge on tmobile network?
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Quick question. Now that tmobile brought their 1900 band and which bands for LTE they have. And now iPhones works with tmobile's 3G. Does buying an international S3 or any international phone will it have more than edge on tmobile network?
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If you live in an area with refarmed 1900 to support HSPA, you will get spotty at best HSPA coverage and EDGE the rest of the time. The I-9300 doesn't support AWS so you will have reduced coverage (AWS is both voice and data and some places T-Mobile has 1700 licenses but no 1900 licenses so you wouldn't have a signal at all).
I would just get an S IV. Chances are it will cost you the same as getting an internation S III anyway.
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I would imagine that it's more that the US vendors, T-Mobile as one of them, want their own "goodies" installed on our devices. This impacts when and how long we have to expect an update for our product. It's this issue that inspired the "Google Nexus" style of products, an open standard Android with updates directly from Google.
You can expect frustration in awaiting updates when you compare to the "competitors" devices, even though they are the same physical device.
I'm frequently frustrated that I have 4.2.2 on my Nexus 7 tablet and 4.1.1 on my Galaxy S3. But not enough to have purchased a Nexus 4 instead.
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I believe its more about their unwillingness to expend the effort on development. Because of the difference in architecture between the US and International S3 something else other than the absolute minimum effort is required to port those features and properly support the device, so they're not going to do it.
A large number of people found 4.1.1 to be extremely buggy and poorly optimized, that doesn't exactly reflect well on them as far their effort spent supporting American customers either.
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I believe its more about their unwillingness to expend the effort on development. Because of the difference in architecture between the US and International S3 something else other than the absolute minimum effort is required to port those features and properly support the device, so they're not going to do it.
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Sounds a lot like what I said up above...
"Originally Posted by EtherealRemnant
Honestly, I think it has more to do with the hardware differences than the carriers in the case of the S3... Quite simply, the international S3 is much more capable than the US versions, end of story. Not only that but the Exynos uses completely different optimizations than Qualcomm chips do and not even the graphics chips between the two are comparable. It would take significant resources for Samsung that they could instead put into the Galaxy S IV basket.
Hopefully the S IV puts an end to the fragmentation that plagues the Galaxy series..."
Probably not Gonna happen there's been reports where the international one would be getting a faster processor, samsung hasn't really discuss this even though they plan to launch phone next month.
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Probably not Gonna happen there's been reports where the international one would be getting a faster processor, samsung hasn't really discuss this even though they plan to launch phone next month.
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The Exynos Octa doesn't support AWS connectivity so expect a 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 Fusion Pro chip instead here in the US. Its no Exynos but its no slouch either. Battery life will probably suck though.
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The Exynos Octa doesn't support AWS connectivity so expect a 1.9GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 Fusion Pro chip instead here in the US. Its no Exynos but its no slouch either. Battery life will probably suck though.
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Yeah that's what I thought, I don't think that battery voltage 2600 is high enough for the processor and everything else. With the s3 we were suppose to have the "weaker" chip yet when you compared it to the quad core the speed was almost identical. Except if you start doing test and all that which that doesn't matter a whole lot. It's all about how fast can I go from point a to point b and back to the beginning, so I imagine it might be about the same this time around. I won't be upgrading so I could care less lol
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The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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The hardware fragmentation in the Galaxy S4 line means that the current disparity in features and support is more than likely going to be perpetuated with their newer models, its unfortunate.
I'm also not sure why its remotely necessary when every single version of the Galaxy Note II uses an Exynos chip.
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The Qualcomm chips scale well but the clock to performance ratio of Qualcomm to Samsung chips is skewed.
In any case, Qualcomm chips are hard to decipher because they don't even follow true ARM architecture whereas Samsung chips are full blown ARM designs. For example, the Exynos Octa is the first ARM big.little tech. While there are 8 cores, only 4 are used at once. 4 are ARMv7 cores for lightweight tasks to save battery and 4 are super powered ARMv15 cores. In that way, its not really a true 8 core chip. Also I'm not entirely sure if the cores can mix and match (ie, 2 v7 and 2 v15 cores) or if you are locked to one or the other.
The graphics beat the pants off of the Adreno 320, however, although its still a major upgrade from the Adreno 225 chip in the S3.
It really comes down to needs. I don't think Samsung made a smart move launching a slight hardware upgrade so close to the release of the S3 in the states and even more, the processor fragmentation is going to put yet more sales off. I am willing to bet a great many are going to save their pennies for the Note 3. Samsung will get those who haven't moved from the original Galaxy S and a number of S II users though.
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I like your thinking, you look you know about all these stuff. Always interested in processors and all this stuff willing to learn. I agree like I said earlier from any other phone than the s3 people would love the s4, but the fact that it looks exactly just like this one turns some s3 users down too. They are asking us to pay "Premium" again honestly very impatient move, don't know why they are rushing for a new release. It's about 8 or 9 months, the s3 fair pretty good against the s3 even though it was out months earlier than the iPhone 5. I think they could of release this phone in the summer closer to the iPhone 6 because now when the 6th comes out the s4 would be deemed "old" by a lot of people that want everything new.
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At the same time they probably wanted a few months by themselves with virtually no competition to get a lot of sales, I think you can't compare the s4 to the 5 it'd really unfair so right now the galaxy is the leader till the 6 can challenge it
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I'm a little pissed were getting the weaker processor in the US. Especially in the terms of gpu disparity... Kinda weak Samsung did not impress me this time around if I can afford it I'll go international, otherwise there's a good chance I'm looking to the xperia z or HTC one. Screw HTC as far as development but despite Samsung usually being far better I'm not impressed with the new one. I like the idea of the front dual speakers on the HTC one. And build is pretty nice. Phone hardware is nice enough that it runs beautifully on touch wiz or HTC Sense and i can use whatever launcher avail so I'm not concerned about cm and such. And I love the screen on this but not comfortable using something larger than even the current note so I probably won't go that route. I guess we'll see.
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I would care to challenge that. Yesterday, Samsung said the S3 will get some of the features on the S4 through software updates. Premium Suite will come to the S3.
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I would care to challenge that. Yesterday, Samsung said the S3 will get some of the features on the S4 through software updates. Premium Suite will come to the S3.
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The international version will but we simply don't have the horsepower on the Snapdragon dual core to utilize those features. Remember that the S3 international uses a quad core Exynos chip, not a dual-core Snapdragon.
They will find a way to utilize it.
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They will find a way to utilize it.
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they can find a way to, but chances are, they won't. unfortunately for us...
So what is the deal with the launch! I have heard and read many articles about tomorrow but non with details on the launch.
Who is going to be there tomorrow?
Is this going to be indoors/outdoors on the big screen or what?
Let me know what you think.
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I read somewhere that they are going to show live event on samsung mobile youtube page.
Its in radio city hall near by times square; means close to public.
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I read somewhere that they are going to show live event on samsung mobile youtube page.
Its in radio city hall near by times square; means close to public.
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You heard right, I live around there but I'm pretty sure you need an invite just like the ps4 event.
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It's called an "embargo". That's when Samsung promises that news media will get all the juicy bits and details, but nothing must be officially released until Samsung "lifts" that embargo.
Unfortunately, it's not clear what is allowed, so even "who's who list" will not be announced until the embargo is lifted.
There's a Chinese news site that blasted through the embargo, I'm sure that Samsung will sanction them with much less news in the future. But that is just their evaluation phone, nothing to do about the launch it's self, nor the Tim Cook look alike they've hired to spoof the iPhone in comparison.. (wait, didn't say that. Nothing to see here folks)... :silly:
Link for live unveil on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IDXILsX7_QI
Going on now!!!!
Samsung does really know how to please its customers and demands
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I wasn't really impressed with the software leap but I will make the switch for the hardware and the black phone
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Just watched it live via C-Net.
Wow! I'm actually impressed. Unfortunately you had to wade through a lot of showmanship to get the features, but it was entertaining.
Simply put, it's changing the rules for the next generation of Smartphones.
The addition of 8 sensors to the phone rule out some of the features being back ported to the S3's we have. But still the answer is easy. I want one! :good:
Re: NYC - Times Square - Galaxy S4.
I'll grab that.
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Just watched it live via C-Net.
Wow! I'm actually impressed. Unfortunately you had to wade through a lot of showmanship to get the features, but it was entertaining.
Simply put, it's changing the rules for the next generation of Smartphones.
The addition of 8 sensors to the phone rule out some of the features being back ported to the S3's we have. But still the answer is easy. I want one! :good:
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I agree, the device is insane but they did not say if the US was getting a different processor variant than the international version, instead all 155 countries would get to he device at the same time at the end of April 2013.
Seny from the one and only GS3.
you guys think they'll give us U.S GS3 users an update that will give us most (if not all) of the software features of the Galaxy S 4 like they did for the Galaxy S II?
i sure hope so..lol
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I agree, the device is insane but they did not say if the US was getting a different processor variant than the international version, instead all 155 countries would get to he device at the same time at the end of April 2013.
Seny from the one and only GS3.
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The specs list shows a 1.9 GHz Quad-Core Processor / 1.6 GHz Octa-Core Processor. The selection of processor will be differed by markets. The touchscreen also works while wearing gloves.
http://wirelessandmobilenews.com/20...quad-core-1.6-octa-core-q2-release-dates.html
I'm going to be seriously pissed off if they pull a Qualcomm stunt for the US version again. Seems like that is exactly what they are doing though. I wish they would just give GSM pentaband and Exynos and through CDMA to the wolves...
A lot of the features probably wouldn't work on Qualcomm chips... I seriously doubt the 600 could keep up.
Pretty similar to the s3 just obvious improvements with the hardware. I think us gs3 users are not as impressed but what you expect to since the s3 was soo good what can come after that to impress again, the s3 put the bar so high the s4 is just a minimal update. I still don't believe android is ready for these quad core, octa-core processors.
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I think its pretty much confirmed that Samsung is going to launch a Qualcomm chip here. At the end of the video it says nothing about AWS connectivity for HSPA+ *sigh* I will wait until the 800 is commercially available and see what launches then.
While it may not be a huge software upgrade, I sure would love to have the new hardware... The LPDDR3 alone is going to blow everything else away.
EDIT: Confirmed... 1.9GHz Snapdragon Fusion Pro.
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So American users are getting the shaft again with processing power. I'll wait to use my upgrade on some thing else
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So American users are getting the shaft again with processing power. I'll wait to use my upgrade on some thing else
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The 600 is no slouch but yes, we get the shaft again. Especially on T-Mobile since we can not even use it on the AWS band. at&t users at least have the option of buying unlocked.
Interestingly enough, the US launch partners are at&t, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, Cricket, and U.S. Cellular. I think that's a first - Cricket getting the best of the best on launch! Their "pay 1000 dollars for a 600 dollar device" program must be being successful much like T-Mobiles Value Plan device installments have been.
I am going to pass for now. I don't mind Snapdragon chips but they get hot and they suck a lot of power.
Honestly if CDMA was dead, I bet Samsung would make an Exynos for the US but releasing two different processor models in a single market would not only piss off consumers but carriers as well. I don't ever see Samsung licensing CDMA from Qualcomm when they can just get an SoC from them instead. I think we need to be more pissed at Qualcomm for their monopoly stranglehold and their slow development of high end chips. We won't see Samsung chips until Qualcomm is brought down a few notches.
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I think its pretty much confirmed that Samsung is going to launch a Qualcomm chip here. At the end of the video it says nothing about AWS connectivity for HSPA+ *sigh* I will wait until the 800 is commercially available and see what launches then.
While it may not be a huge software upgrade, I sure would love to have the new hardware... The LPDDR3 alone is going to blow everything else away.
EDIT: Confirmed... 1.9GHz Snapdragon Fusion Pro.
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Actually its still up in the air as it says the pro fusion OR octocore on the sheet, I believe they may go the lessor route as well though as it seems to be the trend of past desisions but its not like there's any other carrier producing better than the pro anyways. Only Samsung put the 8 core out there to begin with and yes if you wait another year sure 25 other devices will be in the mix but that's what the game is and that's not gonna make a difference because there will always be a let down no matter what company is in the hot seat but is it the fact we may not get the octo over the pro which HTC is using the 600 in the One they just released and swear by really a huge let down? If they said the screen was gonna be more like the GS3 that would break the deal since they bragged about 1080.
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this had been bugging me and now when i decide to look into it, all of the google searches are raped by news of the s4 and not answering my question. so with that said, why do all of the U.S. samsung devices get the qualcomm chips instead of the exynos processors from samsung? it just doesn't make sense to me as to why they would switch them up. o.0 and it bugs me more that the qualcomm chips (while still fast as a bat out of hell) are slower than the exynos chips that are in the international phones..
It was one of two options:
Go with the exynos, then have an external radio for the LTE resulting in worse battery life or...
Go with the dual core snapdragon that had the capabilities all on one chip.
It was tested and the actual real world performance was very similar between the two, so the option they chose gave us the best performance with the best battery while maintaining access to LTE.
A similar situation appears to be occurring on the S4. The Note II came with a quad core chip with LTE.... so our S4's will most likely be the same to get LTE. The Octo exynos is not ready for the LTE inclusion YET. By the time the "Note 3" is out, it might be ready for prime time.
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It was one of two options:
Go with the exynos, then have an external radio for the LTE resulting in worse battery life or...
Go with the dual core snapdragon that had the capabilities all on one chip.
It was tested and the actual real world performance was very similar between the two, so the option they chose gave us the best performance with the best battery while maintaining access to LTE.
A similar situation appears to be occurring on the S4. The Note II came with a quad core chip with LTE.... so our S4's will most likely be the same to get LTE. The Octo exynos is not ready for the LTE inclusion YET. By the time the "Note 3" is out, it might be ready for prime time.
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thanks for the info but you would think that they would have included lte while designing the exynos octa considering lte isn't exactly a new technology anymore oh well. my contract is still a year and 4 months from ending and im perfectly content with my s3. maybe they will have it figured out by the s5 haha
The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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If Samsung didn't care about there customers you would just get another dual core processor phone. It will either come with Octo or quad core. Regardless of which one it actually comes with, it's gonna be an upgrade
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The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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Most customers don't buy their phone because of benchmarks or boasting rights about how many cores it has. I don't care what processor it has as long as it has good battery life and isn't laggy.
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Most customers don't buy their phone because of benchmarks or boasting rights about how many cores it has. I don't care what processor it has as long as it has good battery life and isn't laggy.
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That's true. I there's a [floating] statistic that like only 12% of people root/jail break their phones anyway; so on that statistic, the other 88% is just based on surface features and shinyness. I bet if you asked most people they couldn't tell you what kind of processor is in the phone.
There's too much misinformation around and once I get my unit I will have about 28 days to decide if to keep it or skip this generation, I would like to use this thread to build evidence on how good or bad the international version of this device is, if Samsung scammed 90% of the world then they don't deserve our money.
I'm getting mixed feelings about this chip, In speed test G the 855 beats it by a huge margin, so most people went back spitting at it for being a badly optimized SoC.
Anandtech's Comparisons Show super disappointing scores for the S10 Exynos version, but many of the scores presented make no sense, with older hardware of the same OEM scoring better than the newest, I don't know how much to believe that review and I hope it is fake or badly executed, to my interest, my pre-order comes with the Exynos version and there's no way to have warranty on a 855 in the UK.
Then, the positive evidence we have is that it beats every other released phone on the market in battery usage, there's no such video about the 855 yet so we can't compare them, but that's all I found about the battery of this chip.
In a S10+ vs iPhone XS Max, the S10+ again Exynos beats the iPhone on almost every application, I didn't expect that to happen since it almost never happened, the apps are supposedly the same most of the time and they might as well have completely different algorithms to do the same task done superficially, but generally iOS apps are cleaner inside and their developers have higher standards of work, so how can Exynos be THAT much better?
From my experience with the exynos galaxy s9+ I can tell you that exynos chips are more designed for daily usages. Snapdragon is for those who are looking for the higher geekbench scores and better graphics in games.
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...if Samsung scammed 90% of the world then they don't deserve our money.
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How did they scam anyone?
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How did they scam anyone?
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By selling a higher priced, inferior version of the product without mentioning any sort of difference, when the differences are huge.
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By selling a higher priced, inferior version of the product without mentioning any sort of difference, when the differences are huge.
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Well, I'm located in the US and my carrier is Verizon, which heavily relies on CDMA. For half a decade I've had to get what Samsung sells in the US (Snapdragon) and I've never complained about it, even with every generation I've had to deal with Exynos users bragging about how theirs is better. The phones have always worked for what I needed them to. No need for every Exynos fanboy to go up in arms over speed test results. These phones aren't high end gaming computers and I seriously doubt the differences between the two processors will be noticeable in everyday use. Also, it's obvious there's a difference by the Exynos being an 8nm processor and the Snapdragon being a 7nm. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other by default but the technology is different. I think you'll be satisfied with how well your phone performs, regardless of the processor.
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Well, I'm located in the US and my carrier is Verizon, which heavily relies on CDMA. For half a decade I've had to get what Samsung sells in the US (Snapdragon) and I've never complained about it, even with every generation I've had to deal with Exynos users bragging about how theirs is better. The phones have always worked for what I needed them to. No need for every Exynos fanboy to go up in arms over speed test results. These phones aren't high end gaming computers and I seriously doubt the differences between the two processors will be noticeable in everyday use. Also, it's obvious there's a difference by the Exynos being an 8nm processor and the Snapdragon being a 7nm. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other by default but the technology is different. I think you'll be satisfied with how well your phone performs, regardless of the processor.
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If there was a 10% difference in speed or battery usage I wouldn't mind, the problem is that according to some tests, it scores worse than the previous gen 845.
Don't get me wrong, I really want to be an Exynos fan and I wish it becomes the dominant choice worldwide since Samsung benefits from it and so do the developers, but I can't support it being worse than a competitor's 2018 SoC while I paid the premium price for it.
Meanwhile, another video where the Exynos has insane battery life, the 6T beats it by one minute, but considering the fact that S10+'s screen is denser and the video recording at the end probably drains more due to the higher quality, it's pretty much a winner.
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Naw, Snapdragon is much better, it's the new 7nm beast, which beats the Exynos. It need less mAh for more power, cuz GPU destroy Mali GPU from Exynos.
Nothing to do with benchmark, just a cheaper SoC for EU and better SoC for rest.
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Naw, Snapdragon is much better, it's the new 7nm beast, which beats the Exynos. It need less mAh for more power, cuz GPU destroy Mali GPU from Exynos.
Nothing to do with benchmark, just a cheaper SoC for EU and better SoC for rest.
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Comparing node density at these levels is not better than bragging about having 1 extra centimeter somewhere, irrelevant if not implemented properly, and node density improvements are supposed to bring theoretic improvements, there's no guarantee they always do.
Look at Kirin's 7nm, very early product and poorly implemented, Apple's jump from 10 to 7 nm also showed quite unimpressive improvements, completely insignificant in real world usage singe iPhone's battery life sucks unless the phone is locked.
And no, it's not a cheaper SoC for the EU, you can literally count how many countries get the Snapdragon on a single hand. The whole rest of the world gets Exynos, stop thinking you're in the center of the universe.
@klanac8901 @Corv0 I was trying to not turn this thread into a d*** measuring contest, I would suggest the two of you follow suit and keep your preferences and opinions to yourselves or else this thread is worthless.
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If there was a 10% difference in speed or battery usage I wouldn't mind, the problem is that according to some tests, it scores worse than the previous gen 845.
Don't get me wrong, I really want to be an Exynos fan and I wish it becomes the dominant choice worldwide since Samsung benefits from it and so do the developers, but I can't support it being worse than a competitor's 2018 SoC while I paid the premium price for it.
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Meanwhile, another video where the Exynos has insane battery life, the 6T beats it by one minute, but considering the fact that S10+'s screen is denser and the video recording at the end probably drains more due to the higher quality, it's pretty much a winner.
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Samsung heavily advertised their new chip as being efficient. With that said, you should get better battery life as well as a great chip at a minimum. Then, for dev's and users like yourself, there will be the ability to tweak every little thing on your phone to improve speed and keep that efficiency. Sure, right out of the box you may not be the best but you're damn close. Give a developer the tools needed and it could, and probably will, become what you want it to be or even greater.
Samsung doesn't scam people, they've made a name for themselves and I would think they want to keep it that way. The Exynos is their baby, you don't think they'd make a crap product for the majority of their users do you? How else would they get their customers to return?
I did see that video earlier, looks pretty sweet if you ask me. I'm excited to see what this phone is capable of in the long run.
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@klanac8901 @Corv0 I was trying to not turn this thread into a d*** measuring contest, I would suggest the two of you follow suit and keep your preferences and opinions to yourselves or else this thread is worthless.
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I have no preference or opinion, all I'm sharing is neutrality and I want unbiased facts.
I decide if this thread is worthless or not, so I don't really see what you're trying to moderate here, don't discount on me.
Without going off topic, Here the S10+ shows some odd behaviour, most of the time when it loses you can see the app taking even 0.5-1s to launch after the icon is tapped, other times it launches and it spends too much in a black screen, it wins every other speed test when that doesn't happen.
Some youtubers mentioned having issues when running these speed tests, some apps kept continuously crashing and they had to select specific shared apps for the tests.
All I can think about is that the Exynos lacks optimisation, on the kernel side or the scheduler, since it is actually newer than the 855.
We spotted 855 reference devices months ago and it had plenty time to mature regarding software support, plus it's a shared platform that doesn't need specific hacks from a single manufacturer.
Even with the node deficiency in mind, the Exynos looks way better on paper than its counterpart, raw single core performance and the super low memory latency show how much silicon power and efficiency there is thanks to proper cache placement this time, hopefully they get their software fixed before the public gets away with a negative impression.
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I have no preference or opinion, all I'm sharing is neutrality and I want unbiased facts.
I decide if this thread is worthless or not, so I don't really see what you're trying to moderate here, don't discount on me.
Without going off topic, Here the S10+ shows some odd behaviour, most of the time when it loses you can see the app taking even 0.5-1s to launch after the icon is tapped, other times it launches and it spends too much in a black screen, it wins every other speed test when that doesn't happen.
Some youtubers mentioned having issues when running these speed tests, some apps kept continuously crashing and they had to select specific shared apps for the tests.
All I can think about is that the Exynos lacks optimisation, on the kernel side or the scheduler, since it is actually newer than the 855.
We spotted 855 reference devices months ago and it had plenty time to mature regarding software support, plus it's a shared platform that doesn't need specific hacks from a single manufacturer.
Even with the node deficiency in mind, the Exynos looks way better on paper than its counterpart, raw single core performance and the super low memory latency show how much silicon power and efficiency there is thanks to proper cache placement this time, hopefully they get their software fixed before the public gets away with a negative impression.
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All I was saying was that a "mine is better than yours" doesn't promote a good discussion. I'm not moderating anything, but I doubt you want this thread to become "the big debate between SD and Exynos".
Back on topic though, I honestly think you'll end up with the superior processor in the end. As I said earlier, you will have the ability to tweak settings that I'll never be able to get close to changing. It's a new chip and it will take some time for developers to find what works better, within Samsung and even here on XDA. Don't base your opinion upon your first use of the device.
In regards to the videos you mentioned of YouTubers having issues, I've seen users saying that the pre-release models they're using are not equivalent to what will be commercially available. I'm not sure if that's true but I could see that being a possibility.
Outbreak444 said:
All I was saying was that a "mine is better than yours" doesn't promote a good discussion. I'm not moderating anything, but I doubt you want this thread to become "the big debate between SD and Exynos".
Back on topic though, I honestly think you'll end up with the superior processor in the end. As I said earlier, you will have the ability to tweak settings that I'll never be able to get close to changing. It's a new chip and it will take some time for developers to find what works better, within Samsung and even here on XDA. Don't base your opinion upon your first use of the device.
In regards to the videos you mentioned of YouTubers having issues, I've seen users saying that the pre-release models they're using are not equivalent to what will be commercially available. I'm not sure if that's true but I could see that being a possibility.
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Not really a debate between the two since Snapdragon's not accessible to most people and I wouldn't want a censored platform either , he just sounded bad with the usual "uh but 7nm is better than 8".
I checked the demo versions in stores multiple times and they work flawlessly, it makes the whole benchmark drama looks overblown, let's hope it becomes a reliable platform.
Corv0 said:
Not really a debate between the two since Snapdragon's not accessible to most people and I wouldn't want a censored platform either , he just sounded bad with the usual "uh but 7nm is better than 8".
I checked the demo versions in stores multiple times and they work flawlessly, it makes the whole benchmark drama looks overblown, let's hope it becomes a reliable platform.
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Exactly why I said that.
Light use of those phones may not have resulted in any noticing issues tough.
I have an Exynos S10+ right now (retail unit) and would be happy to share any information you guys want. benchmark numbers, camera samples...anything. just reply to my post
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I have an Exynos S10+ right now (retail unit) and would be happy to share any information you guys want. benchmark numbers, camera samples...anything. just reply to my post
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Please run all PCmark's benchmarks
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Please run all PCmark's benchmarks
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Here you go
How is this a scam? Samsung clearly tells you the specification they're selling you. They aren't hiding nothing lol. Your definition of scam is flawed yo.
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How is this a scam? Samsung clearly tells you the specification they're selling you. They aren't hiding nothing lol. Your definition of scam is flawed yo.
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Specifications are meaningless, the only info they shared is simple superficial stuff that we already knew, there's no guarantee of same performance levels across all variants and there clearly is a difference at the moment.
If you sell "octa core processor" around while half of the units have worse performance than the previous generation, that's a scam.
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Specifications are meaningless, the only info they shared is simple superficial stuff that we already knew, there's no guarantee of same performance levels across all variants and there clearly is a difference at the moment.
If you sell "octa core processor" around while half of the units have worse performance than the previous generation, that's a scam.
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That's not a scam. Your definition of scam doesn't make sense.
If they wanted to sell something slower than last generation, that's fine, you got your information, don't buy it. They aren't hiding anything from you, they are pretty much giving you all the information before you buy it. You're the one at fault for buying it. Plus this is faster than last Exynos generation, so it's actually valid for the continent it sold at.