The following is the highest resolution photo that I got each of these two phones to produce with their best camera settings:
Galaxy J5 (2016): 4128x3096
Galaxy S21 FE: 4000x3000
How does a 6 year old low-end budget phone create photos with more pixels than a 2022 almost-flagship phone?
N10+ is 4032×3024
I wouldn't sweat it... smaller/more pixels in the same size sensor doesn't necessarily mean better images. Sensor size maybe different.
Either way the difference is negligible.
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N10+ is 4032×3024
I wouldn't sweat it... smaller/more pixels in the same size sensor doesn't necessarily mean better images. Sensor size maybe different.
Either way the difference is negligible.
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Shouldn't today's phone's produced pictures that are much bigger than that of 6 years ago?
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Shouldn't today's phone's produced pictures that are much bigger than that of 6 years ago?
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Not necessarily. Even blowing it up you can't see that difference unless you count the pixels. Which produces the better image? Bottom line.
More doesn't mean better.
Individual pixel lense quality matters more.
Larger form factor sensors generally also perform better. These sensors are small so it limits the amount of quality pixels you can use.
That sensor size also limits the amount of light they can gather vs a full frame cam sensor. The small phone cam lens also gather far less light than say a 35 or 50mm lense does.
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Shouldn't today's phone's produced pictures that are much bigger than that of 6 years ago?
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No because a higher resolution doesn't equal to a better quality image. Improvements to the lens, the sensor and the hardware that does the actual image processing is way more important.
And the S21 has optical image stabilizing which the J5 doesn't have.
Seems like if the S21 FE's camera is better, it's by a drop.
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No because a higher resolution doesn't equal to a better quality image. Improvements to the lens, the sensor and the hardware that does the actual image processing is way more important.
And the S21 has optical image stabilizing which the J5 doesn't have.
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Exactly. Resolution is irrelevant at some point... especially if the individual pixels can't grab a good noise nulling and/or image sample.
12mp is considered ideal for this size sensor, even full frame pro cam sensors top out at around 26mb. One of these will rip a smartphone cam to shreds.
I prefer optical over digital IS.
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Exactly. Resolution is irrelevant at some point... especially if the individual pixels can't grab a good noise nulling and/or image sample.
12mp is considered ideal for this size sensor, even full frame pro cam sensors top out at around 26mb. One of these will rip a smartphone cam to shreds.
I prefer optical over digital IS.
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From the little that I tried the S21 FE's camera and compared its photos to the J5, the former's quality doesn't seem much better than the latter. Maybe a drop.
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From the little that I tried the S21 FE's camera and compared its photos to the J5, the former's quality doesn't seem much better than the latter. Maybe a drop.
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Still using the N10+ which grabs good images. What's interesting is I've seen it do the smudging that the S23U users are complaining about. It's not cam shake, light level, wind, shutter speed, focus or subject movement caused; it's seemingly random. Very noticeable with cat fur. Seems to be settings related as it doesn't always happen.
Lately using the same firmware I'm not seeing it (changed the settings)... strange. It's quit annoying when it happens and no way to fix it with post editing.
It's just strange that an almost-flagship phone (the S21 FE) has a camera that isn't much of an upgrade in terms of picture quality over a low end 2016 J series phone.
I doubt it. Especially in low light the software kicks in and makes the j5 look old. OIS obviously helps to get steady shots.
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It's just strange that an almost-flagship phone (the S21 FE) has a camera that isn't much of an upgrade in terms of picture quality over a low end 2016 J series phone.
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The N10+ was a quantum leap from my old S4+ in everything including cams.
In my opinion the N10+ was Samsung's overall zenith in flagship design. Android 9 was Gookill's zenith. Both started screwing up on subsequent models/versions. The lack of expandable storage is both an overreach and reprehensible; it doesn't serve the consumer but rather Google's and Samsung's agendas. Once Samsung stop calling it a Note it was broke...
The low-end A12 from December 2020 has a 48 MP camera, while the S21 FE has a 12 MP camera.
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The low-end A12 from December 2020 has a 48 MP camera, while the S21 FE has a 12 MP camera.
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Both are underwhelming. Guess Samsung thought the 48mp cam would make the A12 more appealing. Oddly it has the expandable storage and 3.5mm jack.
A used N10+ is a more capable phone than both, Samsung's a mess. They've been undermining themselves for years now. Poor leadership.
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Both are underwhelming.
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Well, in the case of the low-end A12 it may be excusable, but for the $700 priced S21 FE it’s inexcusable. Along with the S21 FE’s lousy battery that drains much quicker than the advertised amount. Not to mention its touch and scroll glitches.
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Well, in the case of the low-end A12 it may be excusable, but for the $700 priced S21 FE it’s inexcusable. Along with the S21 FE’s lousy battery that drains much quicker than the advertised amount. Not to mention its touch and scroll glitches.
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My point exactly. You can buy a new N975U1* for less than $700 even now. Better yet they're factory loaded with Android 10 although I think Pie is better. Poor SOT has gotten to be a major issue since the N10+; Samsung's solution is to put increasing larger capacity Li's and even then the N10+ is getting better SOT.
Great... heavier, thicker phones with megapixel counts like the pro movie cams have (except their performance justify it).
Samsung's morphed into a hyped up hot mess
*new Exynos variants are priced considerably higher (demand) because they can be rooted. Otherwise they are less capable than the Snaps.
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heavier, thicker phones...
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Yup. Major problem.
blackhawk said:
*new Exynos variants are priced considerably higher (demand) because they can be rooted. Otherwise they are less capable than the Snaps.
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Snapdragon phones can't be rooted?
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Yup. Major problem.
Snapdragon phones can't be rooted?
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Likely not. There were/are some sites charging money to do so remotely. They're using their Knox Developer privileges to so, until Samsung catches up to them. I think that's what's going on... my interest is minimal.
Giving anyone remote access permission is unacceptable and bricking a good N10+ is something I personally wouldn't risk as they run well stock (and securely even on Pie) after being optimized.
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Likely not. There were/are some sites charging money to do so remotely. They're using their Knox Developer privileges to so, until Samsung catches up to them. I think that's what's going on... my interest is minimal.
Giving anyone remote access permission is unacceptable and bricking a good N10+ is something I personally wouldn't risk as they run well stock (and securely even on Pie) after being optimized.
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It's not a Snapdragon thing, it's a Samsung U.S. (North America in general I think) thing
Meaning, the S21FE Snapdragon variant CAN be rooted (from European regions) but the S21FE Snapdragon U.S. variant cannot.
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It's not a Snapdragon thing, it's a Samsung U.S. (North America in general I think) thing
Meaning, the S21FE Snapdragon variant CAN be rooted (from European regions) but the S21FE Snapdragon U.S. variant cannot.
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I hadn't heard that but it's more of a curiosity for me. What you said doesn't seem to be true for the N10+'s at all.
Why would Samsung mix distributed* both Exynos and Snaps in the same region? I see a small amount of the Exynos variat N10+'s here in the US for sale but believe they all came from out of country.
*aside from rooting the Snaps are invariably the more desirable variant.
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I have already been ridiculed for trying to compare the 6T to the a50,but the a70 looks to be a better match up
Thinking of changing my 6T this summer
Perhaps for a OnePlus 7,
Any thoughts on the a70
It will be cheaper but is it too big ?
manus31 said:
I have already been ridiculed for trying to compare the 6T to the a50,but the a70 looks to be a better match up
Thinking of changing my 6T this summer
Perhaps for a OnePlus 7,
Any thoughts on the a70
It will be cheaper but is it too big ?
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Why exactly are you getting rid of your 6T? It's overall a great device and can easily last you for another year or even more?
CyberOvca said:
Why exactly are you getting rid of your 6T? It's overall a great device and can easily last you for another year or even more?
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Absolutely,you are right,but I like the newest tech
But will likely keep my 6T till next year and straight up buy a OnePlus 8
manus31 said:
Absolutely,you are right,but I like the newest tech
But will likely keep my 6T till next year and straight up buy a OnePlus 8
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Still One plus 6T is best than A70. if u r planning to go with A70 then its not advisable when compared to 6T.
vistaabalaji said:
Still One plus 6T is best than A70. if u r planning to go with A70 then its not advisable when compared to 6T.
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Reasons to go a70
Better display
6.7 inch screen
Bigger Battery,4500mah with 25 watt quick charge
SD card Support
Always On Display
Triple Camera
Better Cameras 32+8+5
32 mp front camera
Not confirmed but probably newer in screen fingerprint tech
Headphone jack
Improved brightness
Fm radio
Lower SAR values(if it bothers u)
One UI has more features but still close to stock
Against A70
Snapdragon 675
No oxygen OS nearly stock
Frequency of updates
OnePlus community
To sum up,thre are definitely reasons to go with the A70 and I'm seriously considering swapping my 6T for one when it comes out here next week. Im not a gamer at all on Android so do I need the Snapdragon 845,not at all.I could use all the features on the a70 though but may well stay with my 6T regardless.
manus31 said:
Reasons to go a70
Better display
6.7 inch screen
Bigger Battery,4500mah with 25 watt quick charge
SD card Support
Always On Display
Triple Camera
Better Cameras 32+8+5
32 mp front camera
Not confirmed but probably newer in screen fingerprint tech
Headphone jack
Improved brightness
Fm radio
Lower SAR values(if it bothers u)
One UI has more features but still close to stock
Against A70
Snapdragon 675
No oxygen OS nearly stock
Frequency of updates
OnePlus community
To sum up,thre are definitely reasons to go with the A70 and I'm seriously considering swapping my 6T for one when it comes out here next week. Im not a gamer at all on Android so do I need the Snapdragon 845,not at all.I could use all the features on the a70 though but may well stay with my 6T regardless.
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You make some good points and I agree with you. Regarding gaming I know you said you don't play them on the phone, but you shouldn't worry at all, A70 will play all the latest games no problem if you decide to play something. I tried some games on A50 and it had no problems running any, and A70 has even better specs!
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You make some good points and I agree with you. Regarding gaming I know you said you don't play them on the phone, but you shouldn't worry at all, A70 will play all the latest games no problem if you decide to play something. I tried some games on A50 and it had no problems running any, and A70 has even better specs!
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Yes I believe this is true,the 675 is a great chip.I used a device with 660 and there was no problems whatsoever, Processors these days are typically great above the 660,
Still on the fence about the a70 though,have been looking at the reviews,many point out issues with the cameras,front and back
Would need these to be great if I'm gonna swap my 6T which has been performing a lot better with Gcam
After much research and scouring the internet for reviews and insight,
I have decided not to go with the a70,although it is a capable and attractive device with many features,there are some downsides that would be too annoying to live with,
Most notably the in display fingerprint sensor which looks like it's first generation tech
And the camera not quite fullfilling it's potential in terms of megapixel stated and lack of stabilisation,
It would not be worth me giving up my 6T for this device,
I will continue to try and find a decent mid range device with good if not excellent camera and features the a70 have,
It may take another year actually but certainly the mid range section is getting better all the time
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After much research and scouring the internet for reviews and insight,
I have decided not to go with the a70,although it is a capable and attractive device with many features,there are some downsides that would be too annoying to live with,
Most notably the in display fingerprint sensor which looks like it's first generation tech
And the camera not quite fullfilling it's potential in terms of megapixel stated and lack of stabilisation,
It would not be worth me giving up my 6T for this device,
I will continue to try and find a decent mid range device with good if not excellent camera and features the a70 have,
It may take another year actually but certainly the mid range section is getting better all the time
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You're making the right decision I've had a 6T and A70 and the 6T has a much better camera specially in low light which is the real weak point of the A70. Megapixels are just numbers and doesn't say anything about camera quality. The camera and fingerprint sensor are the two weakest points of this phone. I didn't like the fingerprint reader even in the 6T as I found it annoying but this one is even worse and I rely on face unlock and only use fingerprints for authorization in banking apps etc. However screen is better and battery life is much better.
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After much research and scouring the internet for reviews and insight,
I have decided not to go with the a70,although it is a capable and attractive device with many features,there are some downsides that would be too annoying to live with,
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Hi,
So far, I'd call that a really wise decision.
First, display is of course 6.7 inch... But with a 20:9 ratio, it looks tiny compared to the 6.9" of the mi Mix 3 I had before the A70.
Second, I seem to be allergic to AMOLED/SuperAMOLED technology. Display gets a really blue tint when tilted.
Third : battery life is real not on par with what I would expect from a 4500mAh battery.
Fourth : I am unable to use Super Fast Charging and I never had a device charging that slowly in the past 4 or 5 years...
Good I bought this device from Amazon and so can give it back within 30 days...
It is a disappointment, bercause on paper it had everything I am looking for.
Real life sometimes hits pretty hard
Regards.
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Hi,
So far, I'd call that a really wise decision.
First, display is of course 6.7 inch... But with a 20:9 ratio, it looks tiny compared to the 6.9" of the mi Mix 3 I had before the A70.
Second, I seem to be allergic to AMOLED/SuperAMOLED technology. Display gets a really blue tint when tilted.
Third : battery life is real not on par with what I would expect from a 4500mAh battery.
Fourth : I am unable to use Super Fast Charging and I never had a device charging that slowly in the past 4 or 5 years...
Good I bought this device from Amazon and so can give it back within 30 days...
It is a disappointment, bercause on paper it had everything I am looking for.
Real life sometimes hits pretty hard
Regards.
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Yea,seems to be a bit of a disappointment overall for this phone,glad I didn't go for it,shame because on paper it seems ideal
I'm getting great batterytime on mine.
But camera and fingerprint reader is not where it should be for the pricerange.
For example my Xiaomi MI 9 SE is cheaper and camera is way better, and fingerprint reader is also better, but like most in-screen readers it is still slow. But sure it lacks headphone jack and has shorter runtimes with its 3000mAh battery.
Overall the Mi 9 SE is a better phone for less money.
OC-Freak said:
I'm getting great batterytime on mine.
But camera and fingerprint reader is not where it should be for the pricerange.
For example my Xiaomi MI 9 SE is cheaper and camera is way better, and fingerprint reader is also better, but like most in-screen readers it is still slow. But sure it lacks headphone jack and has shorter runtimes with its 3000mAh battery.
Overall the Mi 9 SE is a better phone for less money.
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Hi,
Nice statement, but comparing a A70 and a mi9 SE is kind of pointless.
I don't think you can compare a 5.9" display phone with a 6.7" display phone.
Even if the rest is nearly identical.
Don't get me wrong.
I am a great Xiaomi fan.
If Xiaomi would have released a smartphone ABOVE 6.5" AND with a decent SoC, I would have gone for that immediatly.
But the only "phablet" in the Xiaomi range of products is the mi Max 3 (that I currently have) and that one does have a SD 636 and it has really horrible latency when you touch the display.
Regards.
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Hi,
So far, I'd call that a really wise decision.
First, display is of course 6.7 inch... But with a 20:9 ratio, it looks tiny compared to the 6.9" of the mi Mix 3 I had before the A70.
Second, I seem to be allergic to AMOLED/SuperAMOLED technology. Display gets a really blue tint when tilted.
Third : battery life is real not on par with what I would expect from a 4500mAh battery.
Fourth : I am unable to use Super Fast Charging and I never had a device charging that slowly in the past 4 or 5 years...
Good I bought this device from Amazon and so can give it back within 30 days...
It is a disappointment, bercause on paper it had everything I am looking for.
Real life sometimes hits pretty hard
Regards.
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Are you sure you have enabled fast charging in settings? Battery / Settings / Fast Charging With Cable.
Just a thought, mine charges from 10% to 100 % in about an hour and a half.
Do remember that 25w charging is only enabled when the screen is off or the AOD is activated. Whenever the screen is on, even on the lockscreen, it'll be limited to 6w.
I got the samsung a70. I like the phone's 6.7 inch display. But the aspect ratio makes it a bit narrow. That's why I'm thinking about getting the huawei mate 20x which has a 7.2 inch screen. Do you think I should stay with this phone or buy the mate 20x?
Bigger screen, faster cpu, faster gpu....more expensive.
Yes its obviously an improvement in some areas - it's a different class of phone at a higher price point. The question is are those improvements important to you and is the addition cost justifiable. Since "better" is a subjective term, you would need to answer that one yourself.
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I love the Samsung A70 phone's thinner aspect ratio because the extra length makes it a lot more practical as a phone and in most cases makes it as enjoyable to use for consuming media as a larger phone with 16:9 aspect ratio, and still fits in my pockets easy.
For my uses, which doesn't include a lot of video gaming, I don't ever want to use a 16:9 phone again.
Not to mention I only paid $370 USD for my A70.
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I love the Samsung A70 phone's thinner aspect ratio because the extra length makes it a lot more practical as a phone and in most cases makes it as enjoyable to use for consuming media as a larger phone with 16:9 aspect ratio, and still fits in my pockets easy.
For my uses, which doesn't include a lot of video gaming, I don't ever want to use a 16:9 phone again.
Not to mention I only paid $370 USD for my A70.
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Out of curiosity did you ever own or use the huawei mate 20x? Hope you would elaborate further on the a70 compared to the mate 20x if you did own the phone.
Huawei makes good phones but EMUI and locked bootloaders is a thing i can´t stand
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Huawei makes good phones but EMUI and locked bootloaders is a thing i can´t stand
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But from what I read you can unlock and root the mate 20x. Unless I'm missing something.
Mate 20X but it costs double the price of the A70.
Excellent performance. Insane battery life. Excellent stereo speakers. Flagship build quality. Screen is wider and bigger but maybe less sharp than A70.
Mate 20X is a beast.
Alas, No Huawei for me as the problem with android updates and google play updates still not fully solved, then the bootloader is locked as i know and no custom development in kirin processors as snapdragon variants, narrow phone means easier to use and carry with one hand , a70 not a bad phone really the only things that pisses me off is i prefer stock vanilla android and only mono external speaker, but every thing else is near perfect
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Mate 20X but it costs double the price of the A70.
Excellent performance. Insane battery life. Excellent stereo speakers. Flagship build quality. Screen is wider and bigger but maybe less sharp than A70.
Mate 20X is a beast.
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Is there really a big difference in display sharpness between the mate 20x and a70? They're both amoled and hdr. Do they look so similar that you can't tell the difference in sharpness?
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Alas, No Huawei for me as the problem with android updates and google play updates still not fully solved, then the bootloader is locked as i know and no custom development in kirin processors as snapdragon variants, narrow phone means easier to use and carry with one hand , a70 not a bad phone really the only things that pisses me off is i prefer stock vanilla android and only mono external speaker, but every thing else is near perfect
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Hey Mohamedselim. I'm kinda confused. You said there's a problem with android and google play updates? I don't get it. I thought emui gets updates. And I thought google play get updates too. Please explain.
You alao said the bootloader is locked. But I've seen on XDA where you can root the phone. Again please explain.
And which phone would you prefer?
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deloj said:
Is there really a big difference in display sharpness between the mate 20x and a70? They're both amoled and hdr. Do they look so similar that you can't tell the difference in sharpness?
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Difference in sharpness must be noticeable. Mate 20X has a much bigger and wider 7.2 inch screen with a low pixel density of 346 only. While the A70 has a much smaller and narrower screen but a higher pixel density of 393.
This means A70 screen is definitely sharper. It's a very high quality super sharp AMOLED panel comparable to other Samsung flagships.
Meanwhile the Mate20X has an OLED panel not SAMOLED. Don't get me wrong, I have seen reviews on Youtube of the Mate20X and the screen looked very nice. It's not like we are talking about LCD vs AMOLED.
Mate20X is still the superior phone and multimedia beast.
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Difference in sharpness must be noticeable. Mate 20X has a much bigger and wider 7.2 inch screen with a low pixel density of 346 only. While the A70 has a much smaller and narrower screen but a higher pixel density of 393.
This means A70 screen is definitely sharper. It's a very high quality super sharp AMOLED panel comparable to other Samsung flagships.
Meanwhile the Mate20X has an OLED panel not SAMOLED. Don't get me wrong, I have seen reviews on Youtube of the Mate20X and the screen looked very nice. It's not like we are talking about LCD vs AMOLED.
Mate20X is still the superior phone and multimedia beast.
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Got to disagree with you on one issue. The info I researched is that the mate 20x is amoled not oled.
So you havent seen the a70 in person I assume.
deloj said:
Got to disagree with you on one issue. The info I researched is that the mate 20x is amoled not oled.
So you havent seen the a70 in person I assume.
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It's OLED:
https://consumer.huawei.com/en/phones/mate20-x/
I have been using the A70 for 3 months.
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It's OLED:
https://consumer.huawei.com/en/phones/mate20-x/
I have been using the A70 for 3 months.
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Its amoled.
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-20-x-review-963078/
https://www.oled-info.com/huawei-mate-20-x
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/huawei-mate-20-x,review-5847.html
So which phone do you prefer? The a70 or the mate 20x? And can you please give reasons for why... looking foward.
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deloj said:
Its amoled.
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-20-x-review-963078/
https://www.oled-info.com/huawei-mate-20-x
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/huawei-mate-20-x,review-5847.html
So which phone do you prefer? The a70 or the mate 20x? And can you please give reasons for why... looking foward.
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I prefer the Mate 20X hands down. Bigger and wider screen (A70 is too tall and narrow). better aspect ratio 18:9 (A70 has the ridiculous 20:9 which makes 90% of online videos appear with huge black bars on the sides). Better stereo speakers with loud and clean sound (A70 has a single mono speaker with just average loudness). Better premium build quality. Better performance with flagship chipset. Much better cameras. Amazing battery life I have seen 10 to 12 hours sot on reviews (A70 battery life didn't impress me at all) . Fingerprint sensor is blazing fast and super accurate (A70 fingerprint sucks).
That's all I can think of right now.
Amoled IS OLED, it's short for Active Matrix Organic Light Emitting Diode. It's one of two types of OLED panel, the other being PMOLED (Passive Matrix OLED). All modern phone displays are AMOLED, although samsung like to bundle everything including the touch sensors in to to one layer and call it AMOLED. The underlying oled tech is the same however. Don't know if the mate 20x has a single layer panel. Doesnt make much difference tbh.
This means A70 screen is definitely sharper. It's a very high quality super sharp AMOLED panel comparable to other Samsung flagships.
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Hmm the A70 objectively isn't as sharp as the panels used on the S/Note series. It also doesnt support HDR or wide colour gamut (DCI-P3). I honestly don't think they are that far off though.
Battery life of the A70 certainly impresses me - I regularly get 7 hours plus OST. Doesnt mean that couldn't be improved upon of course but it's far from terrible. Much better than what I ever saw from my old S8.
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Amoled IS OLED, it's short for Active Matrix Organic Light Emitting Diode. It's one of two types of OLED panel, the other being PMOLED (Passive Matrix OLED). All modern phone displays are AMOLED, although samsung like to bundle everything including the touch sensors in to to one layer and call it AMOLED. The underlying oled tech is the same however. Don't know if the mate 20x has a single layer panel. Doesnt make much difference tbh.
Hmm the A70 objectively isn't as sharp as the panels used on the S/Note series. It also doesnt support HDR or wide colour gamut (DCI-P3). I honestly don't think they are that far off though.
Battery life of the A70 certainly impresses me - I regularly get 7 hours plus OST. Doesnt mean that couldn't be improved upon of course but it's far from terrible. Much better than what I ever saw from my old S8.
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Heres another site comparing the 2 phones that state the a70 has super amoled and the mate 20x has amoled. It also states that both phones are HDR:
http://phonesdata.com/en/compare/5742/5451/
The A70 doesnt support HDR10 or Dolby vision or anything like and doesnt have a HDR compatible screen. Netflix hides its HDR content, youtube doesnt give you the option to choose a HDR stream etc.
That website doesnt mention HDR at all under the screen section. Notice it mentions both HDR10 and the DCI-P3 wide colour gamut for the mate 20x but not the A70? That's because the A70 doesnt support them.
It totally depends on your taste of phone, I don't like to waste more than 250 euro on a phone since I break one once a year (because I'm clumsy when I'm drunk).
I bought my samsung a70 for 240 euro by my local carrier (without a loan or an subscription) if I look online for the mate 20x it cost around 900 euro which is way to much for a phone for me since I only use it for whatsapp, discord some browsing and watching a movie in the train.
You should check these marks if u want to buy that phone:
- Do i want to look cool with a 900 euro phone from huaweii or a cool samsung phone
- Do I want super deluxe photo's or decent photo's
- Do I want to watch super crisp netflix movies on my phone or do I want to watch movies just a little bit crisp and cropped to fit for full screen
- Do I want a bigger screen or do I want a phone that just fits in your pocket
- Do I want to pay 3 times the price for a phone or just a small price for a perfectly fine phone
I would recommend if u have the money the huawei mate 20x but if u don't just go with the samsung one and go to a movie or smthg with a nice girl with the money you spared
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The A70 doesnt support HDR10 or Dolby vision or anything like and doesnt have a HDR compatible screen. Netflix hides its HDR content, youtube doesnt give you the option to choose a HDR stream etc.
That website doesnt mention HDR at all under the screen section. Notice it mentions both HDR10 and the DCI-P3 wide colour gamut for the mate 20x but not the A70? That's because the A70 doesnt support them.
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Are you blind? I posted a link posting that it does have hdr. Youre not looking in the right place.
I own s8+, but I really like bigger screen of a70 plus better battery.
The thing I am most interested is how does camera compare with s8+ camera?
If the camera are similar quality, then I would definitely give a70 a chance ?
I would compare them myself, but stores around me don't have a70 on stock?
Thank you in advance for your help ?
Think S8+ would definitely have better cameras.
EDIT: Read these around the forums.
Marcury said:
Hello,
As Stillriza I used a S8+ (for 2 years). I now have the A70 since 1.5 months. The fingerprint unlock is good since last software update (when it is difficult I honestly have an explication such as finger is just coming out of water, long pressure on the finger...).
The 32Mp camera is good outside by day but the quality decreases when the light is decreasing (much worse than the camera of the S8+).
I haven't notice any slowdons on apps compared to S8+.
The screen has a lower resolution than the S8+ one but bigger. It is really not visible and it is very good and effective in the sun.
I will keep this "pocket computer" for a long time. I think it really worth its price.
For that price
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See this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-a70/help/a70-worth-t3952379
I confirm what I previously wrote about that camera. My wife is now using my "old" S8+, I bought for myself the A70 for the larger screen. About the camera, really forget the A70, the S8+ is infinitely better.
For the rest, the A70 is a good pocket computer (with a phone app)
An A70 loose in every aspect to an S8+ that Is an ex top and still kicking today,( even an S7 beat It in camera because it's only a 8mpx effective and mediocre sensor ) and even in updates, the only aspect where an A70 Is Better Is battery Life.
luka-san said:
I own s8+, but I really like bigger screen of a70 plus better battery.
The thing I am most interested is how does camera compare with s8+ camera?
If the camera are similar quality, then I would definitely give a70 a chance ?
I would compare them myself, but stores around me don't have a70 on stock
Thank you in advance for your help
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For the camera just install gcam with night side on your A70, it's definitely better than the A70 stock camera, I installed it on my A70 and it's incredible, probably even better than the S8+ stock camera
SIRKRA said:
An A70 loose in every aspect to an S8+ that Is an ex top and still kicking today,( even an S7 beat It in camera because it's only a 8mpx effective and mediocre sensor ) and even in updates, the only aspect where an A70 Is Better Is battery Life.
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Nope.
A70 pros:
More ram
More storage
Bigger screen
MUCH better battery life
25w charging
S8 pros:
Slightly faster chipset
Wireless charging
HDR display
Better camera
Most of the a70 camera issues can be solved by using gcam but it's not a perfectly solution and there are drawbacks that people dont like to talk about. Ie, half the features not working in gcam, the time it takes to process HDR shots with some configs, the fact that you can't set gcam as the default camera app without rooting etc. Really, we need an optimised app from Samsung and not some bastardized old gcam app.
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Nope.
A70 pros:
More ram
More storage ( slower ufs speed than S8+ )
Bigger screen ( mid tier full hd and not top tier 3k with hdr support )
MUCH better battery life
25w charging
S8 pros:
Slightly faster chipset ( slighty in CPU ok, in GPU it destroy the Adreno 612
Wireless charging
HDR display
Better camera
More narrow and Lighter
Premium materials and not cheap plastic
Gorilla Glass 5 ( vs 3 )
cat16 modem
Premium Bundle with adapters and good quality buds ( A70 doesn't even have a standard type c cable bundled, it's double type c and you need an adapter to connect to pc if you doesn't have a type c port )
Faster reliable fingerprint scanner even if in an ankward position
IP68 rating
dual PDAFOIS
real type c 3.1
lower SAR
DEX support
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I will conceed the point on the fingerprint sensor and I should have included that in my list.
Having moved from an s8 to an a70 I can say with 100% sincerity that any difference in resolution can only be seen by pixel peeping both of them side by side and actually in use its easier to fit more on the a70 screen and keep it legible (for example a forum like this). So despite the lower res, it's more usable. Yes the s8 does support HDR as I mentioned myself. Wether people even notice or not? I mentioned it all the same.
In use the s8's storage and gpu specs don't translate in to much additional speed. Again, this is my experience comparing both side by side. Paper spec will suggest otherwise but I don't give a monkeys about that. I can ay all the same games just the same.
Glass back. On the s8, plastic on the a70. Don't care when they are in cases and if you don't use a case then good luck to you - my s8 got smashed to bits and the weight? Only 10g in it. Meh :/
Cat16 modem is stretching - show me something to take advantage of it its 1gbps download and I'll change my mind.
The bundled USB cable isn't much of a problem. You don't need an adaptor of your pc has USB C ports or just buy an adaptor / use a USB C to USB 3.x type A cable if it doesn't. Meh. It's a point, but a minor one and only a couple of pounds to fix at the most.
The rest.. I mena lower sar, really? If it makes no difference in use, I don't care about it. And the sar value most definitely makes no difference in use.
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I will conceed the point on the fingerprint sensor and I should have included that in my list.
Having moved from an s8 to an a70 I can say with 100% sincerity that any difference in resolution can only be seen by pixel peeping both of them side by side and actually in use its easier to fit more on the a70 screen and keep it legible (for example a forum like this). So despite the lower res, it's more usable. Yes the s8 does support HDR as I mentioned myself. Wether people even notice or not? I mentioned it all the same.
In use the s8's storage and gpu specs don't translate in to much additional speed. Again, this is my experience comparing both side by side. Paper spec will suggest otherwise but I don't give a monkeys about that. I can ay all the same games just the same.
Glass back. On the s8, plastic on the a70. Don't care when they are in cases and if you don't use a case then good luck to you - my s8 got smashed to bits and the weight? Only 10g in it. Meh :/
Cat16 modem is stretching - show me something to take advantage of it its 1gbps download and I'll change my mind.
The bundled USB cable isn't much of a problem. You don't need an adaptor of your pc has USB C ports or just buy an adaptor / use a USB C to USB 3.x type A cable if it doesn't. Meh. It's a point, but a minor one and only a couple of pounds to fix at the most.
The rest.. I mena lower sar, really? If it makes no difference in use, I don't care about it. And the sar value most definitely makes no difference in use.
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I am going to have to agree with this. I have both phones, and use both daily. The S8+ is a work phone and the A70 is my personal phone. With regards to display .. I can't tell a difference. The S8 screen I feel can be a bit brighter at times in direct sunlight..but with regards to resolution and HDR .. I don't see the difference. The A70 display is really nice.
With regards to performance, I have the exact same apps and games on both phones. I run the same launcher setup on both. When I watch netflix, prime or other vids that i've downloaded.. it feels exactly the same with the exception of the much larger A70 display. The games I play run the exact same on both.. neither is slower than the other. Apps load the same...and act the same.
Really, spec wise on paper, there is a diff... but perceived day to day usage ..I don't see it, aside from the insane screen on time I get from the A70. In the end, what matters the most is your day to day usage. I've used higher end phones that stutter, lag and occasionally freeze up.
One thing to consider is that the A70 has a Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU, whilemost S8s have a Samsung Exynos. This means you can install and run Gcam ports on an A70 mostly flawlessly, instead of like on the S8 where you need to wait for a specific version from iDan or Zoran, and those don't always work very well.
The Camera on the A70 after the latest update is about as good as the S8's, but has a time of flight sensor so does better bokeh effect stuff. If you really want to take good photos though you'll want to install one of Arnova's Gcam ports.
Performance wise the A70 feels faster when doing multiple tasks than my S8 did. The screens are impossible to tell apart PPI wise but the A70s larger screen is much nicer to use. And the A70 doesn't have that stupid Bixby button, which is a big win. The S8 will also not be getting Android Q, the A70 will.
Having used both for extended periods I am much happier with the A70 than the S8. I prefer the A70 more than my S9+ to be honest too.
Which is better besides camera and 120hz Display should I jump to get it
S10+ 5G
Do it!
Although stock is very low now on Ultra!
Ultra has the better camera easily. I'm switching from my note 10+ mainly for the camera and the upgraded refresh rate. I might miss my spen though
Ill be using the wqhd rather than 120 refresh rate
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I looked at them side by side yesterday at ATT. I notice that Samsung has once again made the screen longer but narrower. So a regular image will be smaller with Larger black bars than on the Note. It’s also thicker. You can buy a note10+ on eBay or amazon for $800. The ultra after tax is close to double! Day to day I doubt one would feel the difference between the two. Even Samsung’s mid rage devices feel the same more or less. I reckon in day to day use the camera will be a little better in the ultra but only in certain situations.
I'm staying with note 10+ I like its wider screen and it's a beast
I do agree about making these screens bigger, but narrow....it blows. This trend needs to stop. It should have stopped and 18:9, we are at 20:9 now, it's dumb.
Except the super wonder device is better because it has a 100x spy cam that will draw alot of attention and probably force samsung to make it blurry or detect people or documents at 100x and slightly blur (via AI) sensitive info. I look for lawsuits eventually with people who will ruin it by looking into neighbors windows.
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Except the super wonder device is better because it has a 100x spy cam that will draw alot of attention and probably force samsung to make it blurry or detect people or documents at 100x and slightly blur (via AI) sensitive info. I look for lawsuits eventually with people who will ruin it by looking into neighbors windows.
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So, somehow a 100x zoom in a phone is bad, but a Nikon p1000 it even a camera with a short primary is okay? Try holding anything steady when zoomed in that much, it won't happen. And if you're not handheld there isn't going to be a difference in noticing a P1000 or a phone.
I have superzoom cameras and with 65X optical it's definitely interesting what you can do!
However, they aren't small enough to carry in a pocket. The common sense rule applies.
I live in the country, the zoom is great for counting points on a buck in the pasture. I'm no spring chicken, my old, tiring eyes thank easy to use zooms!
Looks ok
Hi to all
I watch so many YT videos about camera comparison and see so many bad things about S20U camera. Is that because still camera software in beta or it is just what S20U is?
I watch S20U vs:
- Note 10 Plus,
- Huawei P40 Pro,
- Xiaomo Mi10,
- Iphone 11 Pro
And yes S20U have new big camera sensor but still they are no big improvements in night shoot's, astophotography, zoom, night videos, portret and etc.. And every phone have better camera in most situation. Whats wrong with S20U? Will Samsung fix this with software updates?
All the best
Not quite sure how you think most phones have a better camera but from someone who ACTUALLY has an S20U I can tell you this camera is fantastic. And with every update will continue to get better and better.
Feel free to not purchase it though. It isn't for everyone.
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Not quite sure how you think most phones have a better camera but from someone who ACTUALLY has an S20U I can tell you this camera is fantastic. And with every update will continue to get better and better.
Feel free to not purchase it though. It isn't for everyone.
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Come on now. You know that's not exactly true. This phone has pretty serious camera issues, from poor optics to focus problems, etc. It's not a terrible camera, but it is not worth the price tag. Samsung has to do a lot more work on the software side to make it better. I've had the phone since launch and while updates did improve things, it still falls short compared to other flagships. Both iPhone 11 Pro and Pixel 4 take better photos (I have those phones too), as does Note 10+ in most cases (I have it too for comparison). With that said, it is possible to take good photos with the S20 Ultra, so it's not all bad.
If anyone bought the Ultra Solely for the camera then that was Dumbassville! Other than the camera however The 120hz screen rocks, 5g works good depending on your coverage area. It's also a speedy phone. At least my US Unlocked 512gb version is. But if your buying the phone expecting a mobile photography studio like Samsung is hyping in their ads you can forget that BS now because that's what it is. Just plain BS! That is not to say the cameras can't take good pictures or the software won't get better. It just means if your expecting a DSLR or Wonder Miracle camera on a phone it ain't happening. There is a reason those $10,000 DSLR lenses take great night time photos and cost so much. You will never achieve that quality on a phone camera.
I'm one of the few people who buys phone not for the camera but making receiving calls, YouTube media consumption social networking camera is bottom of the list.
I think the camera and video is brilliant and better then most flagship. Its good for an average consumer use for expert photographers not to sure as don't know enough. The good thing is most of us aren't experts.
I prefer the s20 plus as its slimmer and has less protruding camera. Its better buy then huawei as g services are missing and better software and screen. Better then oppo due to mainly software and less curved screen. Oppo could have been my choice were it not for the curved screen. I hate that, most overrated and wasted tech.
Thats my rant and impression of Samsung s20.
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If anyone bought the Ultra Solely for the camera then that was Dumbassville!
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That would make more sense than paying 17% more for a 6% larger screen. The battery is also 11% larger, but the plus is also lighter and thinner, especially at the camera bump. The cameras are the most significant difference between the two, it would only make sense for that to be the main motivating factor in paying the premium (especially considering the plus is tending to get marked down more).
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If anyone bought the Ultra Solely for the camera then that was Dumbassville! Other than the camera however The 120hz screen rocks, 5g works good depending on your coverage area. It's also a speedy phone. At least my US Unlocked 512gb version is. But if your buying the phone expecting a mobile photography studio like Samsung is hyping in their ads you can forget that BS now because that's what it is. Just plain BS! That is not to say the cameras can't take good pictures or the software won't get better. It just means if your expecting a DSLR or Wonder Miracle camera on a phone it ain't happening. There is a reason those $10,000 DSLR lenses take great night time photos and cost so much. You will never achieve that quality on a phone camera.
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The camera is literally the one reason to go for the Ultra vs. the Plus. Screen and battery size difference are insignificant in this decision, so no, Samsung does need to step up and make the Ultra worthy of its name. With that said, I am not expecting DSLR quality. I have a 5D Mark IV and some very high end lenses and know the difference. However, matching or beating the Pixel 4 series or the iPhone 11 Pro shouldn't be a problem for the camera setup on the Ultra, except Samsung botched the implementation badly.
isko01 said:
Hi to all
I watch so many YT videos about camera comparison and see so many bad things about S20U camera. Is that because still camera software in beta or it is just what S20U is?
I watch S20U vs:
- Note 10 Plus,
- Huawei P40 Pro,
- Xiaomo Mi10,
- Iphone 11 Pro
And yes S20U have new big camera sensor but still they are no big improvements in night shoot's, astophotography, zoom, night videos, portret and etc.. And every phone have better camera in most situation. Whats wrong with S20U? Will Samsung fix this with software updates?
All the best
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Agree with you.
Pay 1400$ for S20U
- BATTERY not good than 11 pro max or oppo find x2 or p40 pro
- Exynos 990 so bad ( ex 990 < kirin 990 < sd 865)
- Camera can not take the moment well as iphone or other phone. Can't focus well, but photo and video day light is ok.
- screen ok but oppo find x2 pro's screen are better
Sorry for my bad english.
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About Camera:
Have S20 Ultra hardware that can improve with software? Or should I go for Mi 10?
Thank you