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Lower-end alternatives to the 5T?

I will probably buy a OnePlus 5T soon, but I really don't need such a high end phone that is so big.
If you had to buyer another phone that had great community support, but didn't cost quite so much, which would it be?
Things which are important to me:
- The open-source/ROM/modding/dev community = mandatory requirement.
- Headphone jack = mandatory requirement.
- SDCard would be nice.
- Removable/user-serviceable battery would be nice.
- Battery life.
Things that I don't like about newer phones, or are not important to me:
- TOO BIG. Fat phones can't fit in my pocket anymore!
- TOO THIN. Lower battery life, more breakable, higher price, makes no sense.
- Removal of the headphone jack. Pure greed and evil.
- OEM ROMs and OEM features: Will never use it anyway.
Just to be clear, cost isn't an issue. I'd gladly pay more if I could get a thicker OnePlus 5T with a removable battery and sdcard slot. I'd pay $1000 for that phone no problem, but it doesn't exist. The problem is the lack of value in buying a thinner, fragile, featureless phone.
Thank you
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OnePlus 3T would be an obviously great choice is price alone was my concern, but it's not. Still a good option.
The Moto G5 Plus and G5S Plus look like good options; they have an sdcard slot, but no removable battery. Great QCA SoC and community support on them. Cost less than half what a OnePlus 5T does.

Removable battery and SD Card slots aren't very popular among manufacturers these days. So a device that fits all of these is hard to find.
My vote, though, would go to the OnePlus 3T.

I'd get the Huawei Mate 10 light which is around 280 €. But I also must say I would never bother with anything below 5.8 inches.

Don't know about other countries but in India Xiaomi just launched Redmi note 5 pro. Check it out.
Edit: it cost around 214$.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179

Great comments so far. Thanks everyone.
Xaiomi Redmi Note 5 Pro looks really good with it's sdcard slot, much better price/value, and a good SoC. I'm not a fan of Xaiomi though: long-term GPL violator and anti-OSS company. Very anti-moral Chinese company. Still, the phone looks good.
OnePlus 3T would be a great option if price alone was my concern, but I money isn't an issue for me.
Any modern SoC would probably be fast enough for my needs, so long as it has good OSS/community dev support. I don't need more than 4GB of RAM.
I really wish there was a phone with dual USB C ports, one on each side. That would take care of the phone jack issue too.

Xiaomi redmi note 5 pro will be a big seller and I expect a huge custom rom community.

Anyone have opinions on the LG G6? It's been out for a few months now.
I agree that Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro has stupid-good specs and price. I will look at it very much, even though I don't trust or like Xiaomi at all. Are they releasing source code for it? Xiaomi has been bad about that in the past.
EDIT: Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is out of the question. Has no LTE bands I can use (4G bands LTE band 1(2100), 3(1800), 5(850), 40(2300), 41(2500)), and the sources are not out and probably will not be out for months, if ever. New SoC and nobody has DTS or sources yet. Might be popular in India and a few other countries, but not this side of the globe. With so few bands on it, I don't think it will be very popular.

I would try the Moto lineup if you want like a mid grade phone that works well. Pretty sure they meet most of what you are looking for.

have a look at bq aquaris x pro battery is not removable but at decent size

black.kahder said:
Anyone have opinions on the LG G6? It's been out for a few months now.
I agree that Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro has stupid-good specs and price. I will look at it very much, even though I don't trust or like Xiaomi at all. Are they releasing source code for it? Xiaomi has been bad about that in the past.
EDIT: Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is out of the question. Has no LTE bands I can use (4G bandsLTE band 1(2100), 3(1800), 5(850), 40(2300), 41(2500)), and the sources are not out and probably will not be out for months, if ever. New SoC and nobody has DTS or sources yet. Might be popular in India and a few other countries, but not this side of the globe. With so few bands on it, I don't think it will be very popular.
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1st of all LTE bands depends on countries. Wait for it to launch globally. 2nd Xiaomi release source code within 15 days if device is running on miui which Redmi note 5 pro already is.
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For the bands

Should i buy a Pixel XL Marlin for custom roms ?

the question is in the title ^^, for precision, i would say that, since i have a phone, i use custom roms, the last i had was the samsung galaxy s5, the thing is that, custom roms have recurrent bugs on this device, we had to wait a long time to get a "stable" oreo rom on it, for example, camera and fingerprint were not working for a moment..
so i want to know if roms are stable and smooth on this phone, thanks

SalsifiPourri said:
the question is in the title ^^, for precision, i would say that, since i have a phone, i use custom roms, the last i had was the samsung galaxy s5, the thing is that, custom roms have recurrent bugs on this device, we had to wait a long time to get a "stable" oreo rom on it, for example, camera and fingerprint were not working for a moment..
so i want to know if roms are stable and smooth on this phone, thanks
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If you want custom roms etc just buy a OnePlus or Xiaomi device they're very popular among developers

oneplus are too expansive for me, but yea i heard that roms are perfect on this, and wich one xiaomi should i go with ? i know that xiomis are chinese phones, but do they work well on french bandwidths ?

i see that there's a **** ton of roms on the redmi note 4 "mido", the price is really low

SalsifiPourri said:
oneplus are too expansive for me, but yea i heard that roms are perfect on this, and wich one xiaomi should i go with ? i know that xiomis are chinese phones, but do they work well on french bandwidths ?
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Reason I don't recommend you to jump on the Pixel is not much development is going on, The Device will be EOL on P so Major updates will stop some of the newer budget devices will still have that 2 years OS support and much more custom roms that you're after I think it'll be a better buy, Pixel XL isn't a bad buy by any means just I think better value for your situation is to be had on other devices
Which bands do you need? If you buy from official Xiaomi French store should have your bands but check before buying anything
https://buy.mi.com/fr/buy/product/redmi-note-5
https://www.mi.com/fr/mi-a2/
Mi A2 was just announced will come soon is running Android One, updates should be inline with Pixel Line will have a ton of developement just like the Mi A1 you can see here
Redmi Note 5 also great device a lot of development can see here

liam_davenport said:
Reason I don't recommend you to jump on the Pixel is not much development is going on, The Device will be EOL on P so Major updates will stop some of the newer budget devices will still have that 2 years OS support and much more custom roms that you're after I think it'll be a better buy, Pixel XL isn't a bad buy by any means just I think better value for your situation is to be had on other devices
Which bands do you need? If you buy from official Xiaomi French store should have your bands but check before buying anything
https://buy.mi.com/fr/buy/product/redmi-note-5
https://www.mi.com/fr/mi-a2/
Mi A2 was just announced will come soon is running Android One, updates should be inline with Pixel Line will have a ton of developement just like the Mi A1 you can see here
Redmi Note 5 also great device a lot of development can see here
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the redmi note 5 pro seems great what's the meaning of the "pro" ? on the market link you sent me, im able to buy the simple "redmi note 5"

SalsifiPourri said:
the redmi note 5 pro seems great what's the meaning of the "pro" ? on the market link you sent me, im able to buy the simple "redmi note 5"
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The pro is just named that way in other markets I think in india is called the "Redmi Note 5 Pro" But in Europe it's called "Redmi Note 5" Same device just different name
Xiaomi is a bit confusing with it's branding

liam_davenport said:
The pro is just named that way in other markets I think in india is called the "Redmi Note 5 Pro" But in Europe it's called "Redmi Note 5" Same device just different name
Xiaomi is a bit confusing with it's branding
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does the redmi note 5 stand to "whyred" ? will it be the exact same modelname if i take 32go or 64go ?

SalsifiPourri said:
does the redmi note 5 stand to "whyred" ? will it be the exact same modelname if i take 32go or 64go ?
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Yes the model name is the same regardless of RAM or Storage config you take

I am looking to buy a used Marlin as well. The price is much lower then the two phones suggested here. Does anyone have any comments or recommendations? My budget is around $200 USD.

stolikat said:
I am looking to buy a used Marlin as well. The price is much lower then the two phones suggested here. Does anyone have any comments or recommendations? My budget is around $200 USD.
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If it has to be a Marlin make sure you buy a non Verizon model as they block bootloader unlock can be a pita to get it unlocked
last I saw you had to pay like $30 to some shady guy to remotely unlock through team viewer...

liam_davenport said:
If it has to be a Marlin make sure you buy a non Verizon model as they block bootloader unlock can be a pita to get it unlocked
last I saw you had to pay like $30 to some shady guy to remotely unlock through team viewer...
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You can unlock the 1st Generation Pixel/Pixel XL for Free:
[How-to] Unlock bootloader on Verizon Pixel/XL by burduli

Homeboy76 said:
You can unlock the 1st Generation Pixel/Pixel XL for Free:
[How-to] Unlock bootloader on Verizon Pixel/XL by burduli
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Thanks for info

NFC

Can anyone confirm that this really does not have NFC? Hoping for just a specs omission.
Otherwise, the only large screen & large battery Xiaomi with NFC is the Mi Mix (original). Seems ridiculous ...

mudnightoil said:
Can anyone confirm that this really does not have NFC? Hoping for just a specs omission.
Otherwise, the only large screen & large battery Xiaomi with NFC is the Mi Mix (original). Seems ridiculous ...
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There's no nfc on this device. Only Honor Note 10 has NFC at this size currently, but even that might be locked because some people reported issues due to locked Chinese firmware.

opasha said:
There's no nfc on this device. Only Honor Note 10 has NFC at this size currently, but even that might be locked because some people reported issues due to locked Chinese firmware.
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Thanks. I wouldn't touch that with a bargepole though .. Honor Note 10 isn't going to have an unlockable bootloader.
One ray of light - Indian and Malaysian retailers have started relisting the Mi Max 3 Pro for pre-order, availability in late October. They began doing that before the Max 3 was announced, but then removed them when the Xiaomi rep said it wasn't coming.
If that comes with an SD710 and is a little more expensive, hopefully it'll have NFC.
It's such a silly omission. Probably a $1.50 cost in the bulk that Xiaomi would buy readers. They could pass that directly on to consumers with no backlash from people who don't want NFC.

mudnightoil said:
Thanks. I wouldn't touch that with a bargepole though .. Honor Note 10 isn't going to have an unlockable bootloader.
One ray of light - Indian and Malaysian retailers have started relisting the Mi Max 3 Pro for pre-order, availability in late October. They began doing that before the Max 3 was announced, but then removed them when the Xiaomi rep said it wasn't coming.
If that comes with an SD710 and is a little more expensive, hopefully it'll have NFC.
It's such a silly omission. Probably a $1.50 cost in the bulk that Xiaomi would buy readers. They could pass that directly on to consumers with no backlash from people who don't want NFC.
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That would be great. I guess we'll see.

To buy or not...

It looks like the mi 9 SE will be released global on the 28th of March. I want to "measure" how big the xda community will be for this phone, and also just curious...
If the mi 9 SE will be released globally, will you consider buying this phone (answer in poll)?

Well it's just as easy to modify as most of Xiaomi phones so I guess soon there will be here some custom rom choices. Especially if the only other smaller size competitor is Samsung 10e, for over twice the price.
I have 9se for about three weeks so far and must admit it's a great piece of hardware, but only if you like compact devices. Otherwise I'd rather choose Redmi Note 7 (limited budget) or Mi 9 or keep waiting for Poco F2.

winesh said:
It looks like the mi 9 SE will be released global on the 28th of March. I want to "measure" how big the xda community will be for this phone, and also just curious...
If the mi 9 SE will be released globally, will you consider buying this phone (answer in poll)?
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Yes, absolutely. I'm looking forward to purchase the 128gb varient. I LOVE compact phones, especially the ones with flagship spec i.e. Sony. But I'm definitely getting the Mi 9 SE.

Actually, its form factor seem to be the best. I would consider buying the P30 or S10e, but the price is way better on the Mi 9 SE.
Just wondering if it worth waiting for the Mi A3 lite, which would be about the same smartphone except for the snapdragon (660 and not 712) but with Android One and b28....

It depends on what is important for you. I am planning to buy too, after I have seen some reviews and possibly if I see some development activity here.
The reasons I would buy this phone are: small size, amoled screen, quite decent chipset and nfc.
I would personally not buy the galaxy s10e because of the high price and the lack of developement I have seen with their previous phones.

kagazushi said:
Actually, its form factor seem to be the best. I would consider buying the P30 or S10e, but the price is way better on the Mi 9 SE.
Just wondering if it worth waiting for the Mi A3 lite, which would be about the same smartphone except for the snapdragon (660 and not 712) but with Android One and b28....
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After having a mi A1 for over a year, I'm NEVER getting another Android one phone from Xiaomi!

keeeper said:
Well it's just as easy to modify as most of Xiaomi phones so I guess soon there will be here some custom rom choices. Especially if the only other smaller size competitor is Samsung 10e, for over twice the price.
I have 9se for about three weeks so far and must admit it's a great piece of hardware, but only if you like compact devices. Otherwise I'd rather choose Redmi Note 7 (limited budget) or Mi 9 or keep waiting for Poco F2.
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How about the quality of the photos??? Battery?

WhatzIt2Ya said:
After having a mi A1 for over a year, I'm NEVER getting another Android one phone from Xiaomi!
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Ho that's interesting, can you explain why? (I guess the amoled screen won't be on the Mi A3 and that's why i'll buy the 9 SE, but still I'm curious)

Trunksleo said:
How about the quality of the photos??? Battery?
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I just watched a couple of reviews and forum posts so mine is not a "direct" opinion, anyway
About photos, they are very good. They are not great, as well as big brother Mi 9, probably that's due to the software: AI and drivers are still not perfectly calibrated on Sony IMX586. It looks like worst than Mi 8, even if on paper Mi9/Mi9SE should have a better sensor.
About battery, it's enough! If you use dark theme, you can reach 6 hours of display on. Recently Xiaomi released DC function for Mi 9 , maybe we will see the same for Mi 9 SE because both have AMOLED display, which can benefit of this DC function.
If battery sometime isn't enough, QC @ 18W can pump in a few minutes the energy you need to reach late night.

Trunksleo said:
How about the quality of the photos??? Battery?
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Photos during daylight are great, just as you wish them to be. Every lens is doing it's job well - you can get a nice close up photo with zoom, wide angle lens proved to be useful as well, bokeh is nice (but it used to be so even on Mi 6). I am a little disappointed with night mode though - before I was playing with it on Mix 3 and there the results looked like magic, here are mediocre. It looks like the algorithm is only increasing the general brightness of the photo without recognizing the difference between stuff which should be visible and that is supposed to remain dark. The effect is obviously worse than on Mi 9 (basing on the reviews).
The battery is sufficient. Mi 9 SE as a smaller size phone is not bought for gaming therefore for any other activity can be used quite long. E.g. I've got over 14 hours of continuous movie play (MX Player HW+) and 25 hours when left as a clock (Big Clock app on Google Play). When you're not using the phone the battery drain is about 1% per hour with Ambient Display on.

kagazushi said:
Ho that's interesting, can you explain why? (I guess the amoled screen won't be on the Mi A3 and that's why i'll buy the 9 SE, but still I'm curious)
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Xiaomi is notoriously slow with updates. Like now, it's the end of March still no March patch, some people didn't even get Feb patch yet. And the biggest f*** up that Xiaomi did is after android pie update. Wifi Mac has changed, some people got their phone bricked, wifi keeps disconnecting, battery life is super poor (4-5h sot), a lot of bugs I encounter every day, still using 3.18 kernel instead of 4.9 etc. etc.

WhatzIt2Ya said:
Xiaomi is notoriously slow with updates. Like now, it's the end of March still no March patch, some people didn't even get Feb patch yet. And the biggest f*** up that Xiaomi did is after android pie update. Wifi Mac has changed, some people got their phone bricked, wifi keeps disconnecting, battery life is super poor (4-5h sot), a lot of bugs I encounter every day, still using 3.18 kernel instead of 4.9 etc. etc.
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Ok so according to you, the best way is to buy the mi 9 se for its hardware and run custom roms on it? That's my secret plan

kagazushi said:
Ok so according to you, the best way is to buy the mi 9 se for its hardware and run custom roms on it? That's my secret plan
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Nah, the only reason why switched to custom for a while is because the wifi problem, everyone is facing this issue. It's disconnects won't won't connect back, and 5ghz wifi speed is very poor.
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kagazushi said:
Ok so according to you, the best way is to buy the mi 9 se for its hardware and run custom roms on it? That's my secret plan
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I want the mi 9 se as a replacement device. I finally want a premium (cut down) flagship phone, and hopefully will last for about 4 years or more.

Looks like I was following a false track. The release from 28th only contained mi 9 and redmi note 7.
There have been a few others sources hinting towards a global launch. For now we just have to wait.

winesh said:
Looks like I was following a false track. The release from 28th only contained mi 9 and redmi note 7.
There have been a few others sources hinting towards a global launch. For now we just have to wait.
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Many AliExpress sellers are accepting pre-sales with some displaying pictures showing stock of the global version. I have placed an order with HK Goldway, I'll update when it's shipped.

Rdavis27 said:
Many AliExpress sellers are accepting pre-sales with some displaying pictures showing stock of the global version. I have placed an order with HK Goldway, I'll update when it's shipped.
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It is also listed on geekbuying for buying, not only for preorder.
6/64 edition for about 330€ after using coupons seems to be quite a good deal.

Pros:
- 6" screen is still enough.
- Amoled screen and non-intrusive notch.
- Size. The device itself is tiny and lightweight.
- Hardware is below flagship, but much better than mid-range.
- Treble enabled, kernel source already released.
Cons:
- MIUI environment is not so friendly.
- dev scene (I hope I am wrong).
- OEM updates.

Flounderist said:
Pros:
- 6" screen is still enough.
- Amoled screen and non-intrusive notch.
- Size. The device itself is tiny and lightweight.
- Hardware is below flagship, but much better than mid-range.
- Treble enabled, kernel source already released.
Cons:
- MIUI environment is not so friendly.
- dev scene (I hope I am wrong).
- OEM updates.
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Miui and oem updates aren't the issue for me.

Ok, so to summerize:
- Small from factor
- Amoled screen
- Indisplay fingerprint
- 4G b20 and b28
- Widevine L1
- 6Gb RAM
A part for the CPU power, it is even more interesting for me than s10e, and for half the price.
So I definetly swap my OnePlus 6 for this device. The last question is where should we buy it to be sure we have the global version?
I saw that honorbuy.com send the right one with even european charger, but a bit expansive...
Fantacy seller on aliexpress? Anyone ever tried?
Thanks.

kagazushi said:
I saw that honorbuy.com send the right one with even european charger, but a bit expansive...
Fantacy seller on aliexpress? Anyone ever tried?
Thanks.
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I would reccomend honorbuy because of european stock and no VAT on delivery (if you are based in Europe).
Devices are shipped with european socket charger.
If you buy on Aliexpress you must check any custom duty that would be added to the shipment in your country.

General [Info] Moto Edge X30

See:
The Moto Edge X30 is the first phone to launch with Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 chip
The all-new Moto Edge X30 is the first phone to launch with Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 chip and the first non-Google phone to launch with Android 12.
www.xda-developers.com

Looks great. I will be considering changing my phone to this when it's available.

g00ndu said:
Looks great. I will be considering changing my phone to this when it's available.
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I buy mine in ali, hope receive this year

Anyone able to upload the dialer app?

just read that the global Edge 30 Pro will have support for a stylus. is there a way to know if the X30 has stylus support?

matheus_sc said:
I buy mine in ali, hope receive this year
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Any reliable tutorial to get back to official CN rom locking bootloader?

So this is the same phone as the US version Motorola Edge Plus 2022? That forum is quite dead.

awdrifter said:
So this is the same phone as the US version Motorola Edge Plus 2022? That forum is quite dead.
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I have it in the US and I am on T-Mobile. Regardless of what you hear I can tell you Voice over LTE does not work. Don't know if this helps you but just wanted to let you know.