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What's Still Missing from Windows Phone 7

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As Chuong reported earlier today, a handful of tech reviewers have gotten to spend a couple of weeks with a Windows Phone 7 prototype devices made by Samsung called the Taylor. Overall the sentiment towards Windows Phone 7 is positive: reviewers agree that the operating system is generally well thought out, that it performs very well (with nearly no lag when jumping around the operating system), and that it has the potential to be a true contender in the mobile platform space.
After digging through several of these reviews, it's clear that there are a handful of features still missing from Windows Phone 7, some of which will be addressed by the time the platform launches this fall, but many of which will not. Here's a list:
- No Twitter integration
- No copy and paste
- No third-party multitasking
- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
- No dedicated YouTube application
- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
- No global email inbox
- No threaded email
- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
- No way of knowing if a long press is available
- No universal search
Some of these aren't too big of a deal and are very specific to use case scenarios that not everyone will experience (like adding multiple email accounts to a phone, etc). But some of the big ones like the lack of multitasking and Twitter integration could provide a reason for potential buyers to go with another smartphone platform.

ATHiEST said:
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
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You can do it relatively easily if you don't use Facebook directly but via Live, I think.

My 2 cents:
- No Twitter integration
Stupid when Facebook is there
- No copy and paste
Discussed so many times yet still unbelievable.
- No third-party multitasking
May be in the future?
- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
Very bad indeed.
- No dedicated YouTube application
Will be I believe.
- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
Crazy.
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
That will be a really annoying thing. What if I DON'T have Facebook??!!
- No global email inbox
??
- No threaded email
I don't care.
- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
Again a stupid, strange step BACKWARDS
- No way of knowing if a long press is available
Hmmm....
- No universal search
Awesome :-(
To sum it up, well....
I have to touch it of course.
But comparing this to WM 6.5 I see the main change will be interface itself.
Regarding functionality - so many things missing as hell.

yup, W7 is looking like a bag of sh*t

ATHiEST said:
- No Twitter integration
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There's already several Twitter apps for WP7 - The notification system allows seamlessly integration.
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- No copy and paste
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Read the 2000 other threads on this -- c&p is pointless, and not needed. I'm tired of repeating the arguments in every bloody thread.
ATHiEST said:
- No third-party multitasking
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Same as above.
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- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
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Wrong. No HTML5 support, mainly because it's still a draft.
ATHiEST said:
- No dedicated YouTube application
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Write one, or let Google do that. I don't think Google would like Microsoft to write one for sure.
ATHiEST said:
- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
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Invalid. Better Office integration than any other phone on the market.
ATHiEST said:
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
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Invalid, as there's no public phones out, you can't know this, thus it's a lie.
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- No global email inbox
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Wrong
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- No threaded email
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The email application ain't done yet, where's your proof?
ATHiEST said:
- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
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Use the search-button
ATHiEST said:
- No way of knowing if a long press is available
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Neither is on any other phone in the world.
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- No universal search
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Uniform search-api and seach-button support for all applications. Universal makes little sense.
ATHiEST said:
Some of these aren't too big of a deal and are very specific to use case scenarios that not everyone will experience (like adding multiple email accounts to a phone, etc). But some of the big ones like the lack of multitasking and Twitter integration could provide a reason for potential buyers to go with another smartphone platform.
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Multitasking is the LEAST important problem. When do you fools start realizing this?
And again, Twitter is just yet-another-application. Android and iPhone don't have Twitter support either, there's just 20 different Twitter apps for each platform.

@Windcape
As well as you have great valid points,
I must say that this of your sentence:
"c&p is pointless, and not needed. I'm tired of repeating the arguments in every bloody thread."
Where did you get that?!
It's a CRUICAL feature on any device.
Maybe you're this person who don't use it, maybe you never do
any serious stuff on your device, but why do you spread here such a false and pointlesss information?! It's the same as you'd say that a phone doesn't need a speaker.
It's the basic function, present on any mobile OS since 2000,
and also supported even by those who wanted to omit it and tell people they know better.
It's a BASIC function with any txt work, whether it's office, mail.
Man, how hard is it to get it? Or what false logic brought you to this senseless conclusion?
I hope you'll never be responsible for any serious development with such false statements.

No, it's not a crucial feature. The navigation-handlers allows for much better transitions than using c&p.
A smartphone is not a PC -- People use it differently, and copy&paste doesn't make sense. A lot of you might think it's easy to implement for text, and partially is (WP7 only supports Unicode, there's your first challenge), but for random objects (images, binary, etc.) it's a completely other story.
Instead of just repeating yet another "omg no copy&paste", then perhaps read some of the lengthy discussions about the subject, instead of believing in it in blind faith.
I would ask the relevant user groups, and have their reaction. Nerds who think they need c&p, but actually never use it, are not a relevant user group. Ask people who got a iPhone or Android if they uses copy&paste often, or if they missed it on previous versions of the iPhone. They'll probably say no.
Hell, where I need it most is in my browser, and Android's default browser have such terrible support, that it doesn't work anyway. I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links.
This argument is getting tiresome. Can we move on to something else? Like complaining about lack of socket APIs and SL4 support?

Windcape - some of those are legit. There is no way to downselect your FB friends, no threaded email, and no unified/global email inbox. See the many reviews for evidence. While it's not quite done, it's pretty darn close. They have to give the OEMs lead time in order to be able to manufacture devices with the RTM code on it.
But to the OP et al, see this post on WMPowerUsers which echos my sentiments very closely. Basically, calm down... take a deep breath.

Windcape said:
No, it's not a crucial feature. The navigation-handlers allows for much better transitions than using c&p.
A smartphone is not a PC -- People use it differently, and copy&paste doesn't make sense. A lot of you might think it's easy to implement for text, and partially is (WP7 only supports Unicode, there's your first challenge), but for random objects (images, binary, etc.) it's a completely other story.
Instead of just repeating yet another "omg no copy&paste", then perhaps read some of the lengthy discussions about the subject, instead of believing in it in blind faith.
I would ask the relevant user groups, and have their reaction. Nerds who think they need c&p, but actually never use it, are not a relevant user group. Ask people who got a iPhone or Android if they uses copy&paste often, or if they missed it on previous versions of the iPhone. They'll probably say no.
Hell, where I need it most is in my browser, and Android's default browser have such terrible support, that it doesn't work anyway. I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links.
This argument is getting tiresome. Can we move on to something else? Like complaining about lack of socket APIs and SL4 support?
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Listen, are you reading with comprehension?!
Who gave you the right to call me nerd huh?
I think you're rather nerd who doesn't really speak on the topic.
Don't tell me or anybody else how we actually use our devices!
How do you know? Have we met?
You're incompetent troll, like somebody else stated in other thread.
Maybe go to other forums instead of telling complete lies here.
Also your sentence:
"I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links."
Has NOTHING to do with work on txt!
Please move away from here with your "maybe" and "probably".

If it's actually based on hands-on reviews, then I'll agree it might be considered a problem.
The thing is, half of the articles out there complaining about the phone, is basing it off data from Feburary/March, or unlocked emulators -- both I consider highly invalid.
And I'm calm, I'm just annoyed we got 50 threads with focus on multitasking and c&p, which is the most irrelevant problems there is from a developer perspective.
I find it much bigger issues that the phone only support Unicode, don't have socket APIs yet (because it runs SL2/SL3, and not SL4). And a few other things here and there which is vital to application development.
People keep nitpicking about the least important issues, which sadly removes focus from the important problems.

doministry said:
Listen, are you reading with comprehension?!
Who gave you the right to call me nerd huh?
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We're posting on a forum for mobile hackers, that means we're nerds
doministry said:
Don't tell me or anybody else how we actually use our devices! How do you know? Have we met?
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It's more likely that technical interested people focus on more technical features.
Most people who buy a iPhone 4 don't buy it because it can do copy&paste, but because it looks awesome, and have a fantastic screen (Retina Display).
doministry said:
"I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links."
Has NOTHING to do with work on txt!
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It have everything to do with regular phone use. Copying links, email addresses and phone numbers.
The phone isn't meant to be a Blackberry replacement, or a notepad replacement for editing Excel spreadsheets on the run.

One last thing:
You can implement copy&paste internally in your application. It's just c&p data between applications that's not supported.
I guess that helps a lot for your office/spreadsheeting edition, no?

ATHiEST said:
- No Twitter integration
- No copy and paste
- No third-party multitasking
- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
- No dedicated YouTube application
- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
- No global email inbox
- No threaded email
- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
- No way of knowing if a long press is available
- No universal search
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- Twitter will be back working with Windows Live soon. Twitter changed their APIs a month or two ago, and Microsoft need to update things to make it work again.
- Copy and Paste is coming in a future update
- Multitasking is also planned to be out in a future update
- Flash is coming in a few months after launch, Silverlight we don't know about
- We may see a YouTube app come from Google after launch, if not flash will work in the browser so that's all good
- As a start, the Office tools on Windows Phone 7 are good for basic editing, and collaboration. More features may come, but I do question if you need much more really, with such a small screen.
- We know when adding a Google account, you can choose to add all or only some of these options: Contacts, Calendar, Email. It is possible facebook integration can be done in the same way, but I don't use facebook, so I am not too fussed. However thanks to the Quick Jump List controls, you can click the letter in the blue box, and choose a letter to find your contact. Or even press the search button to find a contact.
- I actually prefer the idea of having a separation between my Live Mail and Outlook Email inboxes, and is a great way to maintain your work life balance if you are using the Phone for work, and personal uses. You do have a combined calendar, which does make sense, because you only have on schedule at a time
- Threaded mail, or conversation view, will be coming, you should know this as Outlook and Hotmail now support it.
- This one I agree with, I would like a button appear below the arrow on the left, to switch to flat list, category, favourites, or alphabetical sorting, using the Quick Jump Lists.
- Well, this is a trial and error thing, you don't get told when you have a right click menu available, there is no indicator, you just expect it and find it for yourself.
- If the Hub/App doesn't have internal search, the search button will pull up bing. In future dev tools, they will provide an API to override the search button as you can the back button presently. Patience, my friend, Patience!

Windcape said:
c&p is pointless, and not needed. I'm tired of repeating the arguments in every bloody thread.
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Windcape said:
Write one, or let Google do that. I don't think Google would like Microsoft to write one for sure.
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Actually, these two statements contradict each other somewhat. By far the two most often reasons for me to watch a video on Youtube are a) watching embedded videos on web sites and b) getting a link in an email. Now, pray tell, how am I going to watch those videos in a third party application in a sandboxed environment without a way to open a URL directly in this application or without an ability to copy and paste this URL there? Let's say on many web sites I can search for the video if it's properly named, but what about this link in an email? Am I supposed to memorize it and type into the app? Or maybe write it down on a piece of paper?
I would certainly prefer it if links to videos opened directly in this Youtube app (or better yet, a standalone flash/video/html5/whatever player), that would be a "smartlinking" scenario that I would prefer to c&p. But that's not available either. C&P may be a kludge, but in the less than perfect world we live in those are often needed.
Windcape said:
And again, Twitter is just yet-another-application. Android and iPhone don't have Twitter support either, there's just 20 different Twitter apps for each platform.
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Now let's be consistent please. If we like the way data from multiple sources is integrated in WP7, a Twitter app isn't a perfect solution.
Twitter will be there though. It will be supported in Windows Live or separately. It's missing temporarily in the current version as Twitter changed their API or something like that.

@Windcape
Are you a tard??
a) I didn't write the review so stop quoting me as if I wrote the list and the trying to contradict me.
b) Dont need copy and paste? are you on crack? You must be because I can see endless list or reasons why its a MUST!
c) The review is NOT from a emulator its a HANDS ON review of a prototype phone!
Also people remember this isnt a list of what will NOT be in WP7, its basically a round up of features currently still not in WP7, OBVIOUSLY its not finished and will have more to come.
Either way I still think the OS looks like sh*t, But the flashaholic in me will still end up flashing it to my HD2 when/if its ported.

a) It's easier to quote you to respond to the points. Why is that a problem? Wasn't the whole point with quoting the important points of the article to turn them into a discussion?
b) No, and there's little reason to be rude.
c) O'rly

vangrieg said:
Now, pray tell, how am I going to watch those videos in a third party application in a sandboxed environment without a way to open a URL directly in this application
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A 3rd party application will be able to register a navigation handler so you can open youtube links in a youtube application if necessary. Just like Skype plugin for PC browsers today.
vangrieg said:
but what about this link in an email? Am I supposed to memorize it and type into the app?
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Navigation handlers will also apply to emails.
Basically you'll just have to click it. Much easier than copy, change application, paste, and activate it.
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that would be a "smartlinking" scenario that I would prefer to c&p. But that's not available either.
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Yes it is? That's how it's intended to be, and why Microsoft don't consider c&p a priority atm.
vangrieg said:
Now let's be consistent please. If we like the way data from multiple sources is integrated in WP7, a Twitter app isn't a perfect solution.
Twitter will be there though. It will be supported in Windows Live or separately. It's missing temporarily in the current version as Twitter changed their API or something like that.
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Well, on the "other" mobile platforms Twitter is just yet-another-application. If Microsoft integrates it in Windows Live, it's just better than the others.
It's not a loss either way.

Windcape said:
A 3rd party application will be able to register a navigation handler so you can open youtube links in a youtube application if necessary. Just like Skype plugin for PC browsers today.
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That would solve the problem indeed, but could you provide a source for this information? This is the first time I hear about a way for a third party application to meddle with IE/mail client behavior in WP7, and when I asked Brandon Watson he said nothing like that would be possible.

Dude, there is a edit button, no need to keep double posting. Oh and YES "rly", read the topic.
btw, what about copy and pasting files?, or even blocks of txt's like in a document or web page for example or am I missing something here, that seems a pretty simple but integral part of windows to me, ffs this isnt apple its windows.

Applications have access to the internet, and files on the internet, it just cannot run in the background or access local files outside of its own local isolated storage. (unless there is a task, launcher, or chooser available to apps)
Native Twitter feeds will be coming soon, Windows Live had it until Twitter changed some APIs, and it will be brought back.
Microsoft have not said Copy & Paste is not a priority, only that in order to get the phone out in time for an Autumn/Winter release, and that it will be coming soon.

Windows Phone 7 SkyCat App

Hi,
I am the developer behind Windows Phone 7's Mockingbird IM application. I have gotten reviews from it, however, I am not currently working on upgrading Mockingbird IM yet.
Instead, I would like to announce a new application being developed by me. As stated in the description of Mockingbird IM, SkyCat will be coming to the marketplace soon.
However, I am in a little dilemma. I really don't know what features you guys liked or disliked on Mockingbird IM, I have given a whole new interface (without themes) to SkyCat. As one of the reviewers stated that the UI was clunky.
SkyCat will be replacing Mockingbird IM as a better IM client and will support multiple IM protocols (AIM, IRC, etc...)
I would love to see some feedback on the application if anyone wants to leave me some, detailed feedback would be nice so SkyCat will be in near perfection by the time it comes out on 10/11/11.
Thank you for reading my post.
Update:
Source has been opened and is available at http://groovyim.codeplex.com
THank you.
Update 2:
The application is now available on Microsoft's App Store, and is fully supported, you can buy it now for a limited time only at $0.99, it will go back to $4.99 on January 15th.
The version available on Codeplex is no longer updated or supported by us, and we do not recommend using it. Please find the latest version on the Microsoft App Store, and if you see any problems with it, please let us know and we will work on fixing it as soon as possible.
UPDATE:
APPLICATION CURRENTLY DISCONTINUED ON WINDOWS PHONE 7; FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY USERS WHO BOUGHT THIS APPLICATION ON WINDOWS PHONE 7 ARE ABLE TO GET IT FOR FREE ON iOS AND / OR ANDROID FOR FREE. PLEASE PROVIDE US PROOF OF PURCHASE, THANKS. PROMOTION ENDS 04/06/12.
Thank you.

Hi,
i just drop in here on my way to somewhere else... not a user of ur prog but very interested in the multi-messenger thing.
on android there is Trillian, which is also available on a select few other OS. I love trillian and the whole concept of it but it doesn't look like them gonna go for WP7.
Now, is your SkyCat supposed to be something like that? Because then i would most defo be interested in using it and would also be willing to test for you (on my wifes Telephone tho hehehe).

Sneakyghost said:
Hi,
i just drop in here on my way to somewhere else... not a user of ur prog but very interested in the multi-messenger thing.
on android there is Trillian, which is also available on a select few other OS. I love trillian and the whole concept of it but it doesn't look like them gonna go for WP7.
Now, is your SkyCat supposed to be something like that? Because then i would most defo be interested in using it and would also be willing to test for you (on my wifes Telephone tho hehehe).
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Hi,
Thanks for your interest.
I currently only develop for Windows Phone 7, as it is a great operating system. I believe everyone should be switching to Windows Phone 7, but to get that to happen, more programs need to be made available, which is the point of "SkyCat" (Officially named Groovy IM).
I see that the only multi-messenger application currently available for Windows Phone 7 is IM+ and that lacks many features consumers are wanting which is why Groovy IM is going to bring those features into one application for Windows Phone 7 and hopefully be better than our competitors over at IM+.
As trillian's userinterface matches that of Android's, mine will be matching Windows Phone 7. I do have some screenshots to upload today. As some people may be wondering what it will look like, however, be aware, this application is far from finished and I am only taking suggestions (not beta testers) currently for the application.
You can offer suggestions for Groovy IM over this forum (XDA-Developers.com) as I currently do not have a website devoted to Groovy IM.
Please note that only certain features can be shown as of this time and it may not be the final outlook of the program as it can change through out time.
Please see attached images for current design of application...
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"Settings" About Section.
Main Page Contains: Chats, Profile, Contacts.
Thank you.

Will it be based on Libpurple or something similar, or use a web proxy to cover the different protocols?
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

at45 said:
Will it be based on Libpurple or something similar, or use a web proxy to cover the different protocols?
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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Hi,
Thanks for your interest in Groovy IM.
The protocols will not use Pidgin's source, however, some of the features included will come from Pidgin.
The supported protocols (as of this time) will be...
AIM / AOL / ICQ / iChat
Facebook
Google Talk
Groovy
IRC
MSN / Window Live
UnfairNET
XMPP / Jabber
Yahoo
We may add or remove some of the above protocols based on suggestions / requests received here.
You will not be forced to sign in with Groovy, however, you can chose to create an account and sign in on your own.
We expect a beta release (for anyone who is interested) to be released around 10/15/11, give or take a few days.
For those who wish to test the program, you may send us a PM and on the beta-release date we will upload our program as a private program to Microsoft's marketplace and release a link to where you can get it from the marketplace.
Thank you for your concern in helping Groovy IM become better.

Hello,
i am unsure if you got my point.
i am currently very busy getting into WP7, which i believe to be a very good OS. I am feeling a big lack of Multi-IM there tho...
Trillian is what i love(d) on pc and Android. Them just seem not to be very keen on getting onto WP7 themselves. So someone else needs do that job.
Obviously you try to.
You requested suggestions. I will try:
Keep facebook simple. Its basically already integrated into wp7, only lacking an interface that shows online buddies. so that'd be the only thing i'd wish for with facebook.
Try to have contacts all in one list no matter what service, but include means of sorting them by e.g service or state or name or both or all.
have a live tile that shows infos like join/part, online/offline msg etc.
make it run in background without dehydrating to keep it active (like whatsapp doesn't yet do - it delays msg when brought to halt).
have a very clear history regulation like have everything logged, have nothing logged, have a cloud-based log (use google cloud for example), have certain services logged, have only certain persons logged etc. Follow principle of: "User Privacy by default" - very, very important these days!
am sure there's more but cant currently think of more. I am rather simplicity- oriented. thats why i love wp7. its very minimal. keep the prog the same way. that'd be cool.

Sneakyghost said:
Hello,
i am unsure if you got my point.
i am currently very busy getting into WP7, which i believe to be a very good OS. I am feeling a big lack of Multi-IM there tho...
Trillian is what i love(d) on pc and Android. Them just seem not to be very keen on getting onto WP7 themselves. So someone else needs do that job.
Obviously you try to.
You requested suggestions. I will try:
Keep facebook simple. Its basically already integrated into wp7, only lacking an interface that shows online buddies. so that'd be the only thing i'd wish for with facebook.
Try to have contacts all in one list no matter what service, but include means of sorting them by e.g service or state or name or both or all.
have a live tile that shows infos like join/part, online/offline msg etc.
make it run in background without dehydrating to keep it active (like whatsapp doesn't yet do - it delays msg when brought to halt).
have a very clear history regulation like have everything logged, have nothing logged, have a cloud-based log (use google cloud for example), have certain services logged, have only certain persons logged etc. Follow principle of: "User Privacy by default" - very, very important these days!
am sure there's more but cant currently think of more. I am rather simplicity- oriented. thats why i love wp7. its very minimal. keep the prog the same way. that'd be cool.
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Hi,
Thank you for your concern with Groovy IM.
I agree Windows Phone 7 is a great operating system, however, lacks many features of matured operating systems, including but not limited to Multi-IM clients, better multi-tasking support.
I also believe that applications should stay simple - easy to use, get in, out and information from at the same time.
Facebook Chat will be integrated with a great contacts list supporting it.
I believe sorting by service, name, groups, and status are also great features, and as such, they are being integrated into Groovy IM.
Due to Windows Phone 7 not having true multi-tasking support applications cannot constantly run 24/7 as they can on Android or iOS. You must keep them open to constantly run otherwise Groovy IM will exit Chat Rooms, and log in at a set timeframe checking for offline IM's.
Groovy IM already has support for logging the things you chose and it will give you options to save the logs on your phone or through a cloud service.
Thank you for your interest.

Hi !
Would it be possible to support Skype as well ?
And, it is probably impossible, but could you find a way to keep the Wifi ON, while the phone is in standby ? so the application could keep synchronising even if the phone is in standby mode ?
Thanks

FBK said:
Hi !
Would it be possible to support Skype as well ?
And, it is probably impossible, but could you find a way to keep the Wifi ON, while the phone is in standby ? so the application could keep synchronising even if the phone is in standby mode ?
Thanks
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Hi,
Yes it would be possible to support Skype, Skype is planned to be added in a later release (Version 1.2).
The beta release (1.0) will not support Skype, and should be coming soon to those who wish to beta test.
I do not understand what you mean by "standby" mode on the phone. Do you mean when the user / application goes idle and the lock screen comes up? If so, yes, there is a way and a option you can turn on that will keep the application constantly running as long as it is opened and infront of the other apps.
Thanks.
Hi,
I am editing this post because I would like to share some pictures of Groovy IM once again with you all.
I hope these pictures don't make you too anxious for Groovy IM. Please continue suggesting ideas you would like to see in Groovy IM.
Anyway...
This picture is from the Groovy service.
The above image shows how Groovy IM's group chat looks on the Groovy service.
You will be able to change the color on your username of DarkRed to other colors such as DarkBlue, DarkGreen, etc...
Your friends color is based on the phones set theme color.
Thanks.

Kuzcoed,
sounds beautiful. What about the new Mango Multitasking? As i understand, there is a way to keep apps open and alive in the background if the dehydrate-key in the registry is modified to not dehydrate background apps. i understood, this means that the app is kept in working state and does not drain its contents from memory. am i correct?
Thank you for your work.

Yes, it is what i was meaning by "standby". Because, when the lock screen come up, the wifi is automatically switch off (at least on my phone, but i think it is because of wp7 no ?) and so i can't know if i get new messages.
And i agree with Sneakyghost, i think you should keep it simple.To me,it is important that kind of application to start quickly, as i am often switching between many applications.

Sneakyghost said:
Kuzcoed,
sounds beautiful. What about the new Mango Multitasking? As i understand, there is a way to keep apps open and alive in the background if the dehydrate-key in the registry is modified to not dehydrate background apps. i understood, this means that the app is kept in working state and does not drain its contents from memory. am i correct?
Thank you for your work.
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Thank you for your interest in Groovy IM.
As of this time, there is no official support from Microsoft for full background multitasking, and I do not believe Microsoft will be integrating full background multitasking anytime soon.
As far as dehydration of your phone, I do not recommend it, and I do not believe Microsoft endorses the "hack" either.
I cannot comment on dehydation, as I have little to no information on it.
Thanks.
FBK said:
Yes, it is what i was meaning by "standby". Because, when the lock screen come up, the wifi is automatically switch off (at least on my phone, but i think it is because of wp7 no ?) and so i can't know if i get new messages.
And i agree with Sneakyghost, i think you should keep it simple.To me,it is important that kind of application to start quickly, as i am often switching between many applications.
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Hi,
I have not experienced that problem on my test HTC HD7. I cannot comment on your mobile phone as it may have the settings different than mine. If you wish to know more about "standby" mode please contact Microsoft. My application has a option to keep it from going idle however. When it gets sent back to the background it will open a notification thread which checks for IMs often.
Yes, I understand your concern and will try my best to keep the application launching quickly, however, have it have the features you and others want.
Thanks.

Hi,
We are pleased to let you all know Groovy IM is still going smoothly. We are curious to what the users think about one of the ideas our developers want to integrate.
The feature will keep your accounts constantly connected by having you register an account with the Groovy "WP7" service.
The Groovy WP7 service will require you to login to the Groovy WP7 in order to add accounts, connect with your accounts, and constantly keep them logged in and receiving IMs / Chat Messages.
The Groovy WP7 service will be a secured service that will require you to enter your pin number for any modifcations on your account.
Let us know if you will feel safe using this application if we integrate the Groovy "WP7" service, which will store all your accounts, account information, account messages, and more, on our servers.
Thanks.

Well, trillian also did that with their Astra service about a year or two ago. The user concern was very large but finally overcome. Many people are using this cloud based service now to store and retrieve sensitive account data and log files. they had the advantage of a long build reputation of a trustworthy software company. You do not have that yet.you will need to earn that trust with good software. You might want to wait for a later date with this feature. I for sure will not put login-information into any server-structure if I have no proof of its security.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using Tapatalk

Sneakyghost said:
Well, trillian also did that with their Astra service about a year or two ago. The user concern was very large but finally overcome. Many people are using this cloud based service now to store and retrieve sensitive account data and log files. they had the advantage of a long build reputation of a trustworthy software company. You do not have that yet.you will need to earn that trust with good software. You might want to wait for a later date with this feature. I for sure will not put login-information into any server-structure if I have no proof of its security.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using Tapatalk
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Hi,
Thank you for your interest in Groovy IM.
Yes, I believe we will wait on this feature until more users feel safe about using Groovy IM, or Microsoft allows the application to run even in the background.
Thanks.
We have a new update for everyone here...we would like to show our Aliases now on our buddylist. Please be aware this is not the final version. We have a feature turned on to put all users online under a group named "Online Users" as you can tell.
Please let us know what you guys think.
Thanks.

Hi,
We are pleased to announce another screenshot on Groovy IM.
We are also pleased to announce that the developers behind Groovy IM are stating the application should start being messaged to PMs within the next 6 - 10 days.
Thanks.

Cool. Looking forward!
Are the app colors following the system colors or will we have to live with that red?
sent from my CoreDroid HD 2 using TapaTalk

Sneakyghost said:
Cool. Looking forward!
Are the app colors following the system colors or will we have to live with that red?
sent from my CoreDroid HD 2 using TapaTalk
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Hi,
The background is based on your phone settings (e.g. Light OR Dark).
The background border colors for groups are based on your select Accent Color on your phone (e.g. Blue).
Thanks for your interest.

Hi,
We would like to update you all on the current status of Groovy IM. We have not given up on the project, we are adding more protocols than originally expected for the beta version. We hope you will not mind.
Thanks.

Hi, your idea is very interesting!
I'd like to suggest you a feature, i.e. "virtual contacts". Let's suppose I have various contacts of a friend, being of various or even the same protocol (MSN, private Skype contact, work Skype contact and so on).
It would be beautiful to me to be able to group all this contacts in a single virtual contact, built as an ordered list of each contacts. Communication will happen with the first available protocol "behind the scene".
what do you think about?

Hot!!! Windows phone tango to include intergrated skype and google+

Windows Phone 7.6 Tango will include intergrated Skype and Google Plus... Windows Phone Just gets better each day Take that Apple and Android!
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rruffman said:
Windows Phone 7.6 Tango will include intergrated Skype and Google Plus... Windows Phone Just gets better each day Take that Apple and Android!
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Besides the fact that the screenshot has already been identified as being a photoshopped fake, it's pretty common sense that having Google+ natively built in into Windows Phone is highly unlikely. There are no official APIs yet that could be used. Not to mention the fact that Google+ would be the first Google Service ever to be natively supported by our OS.

dkp1977 said:
Besides the fact that the screenshot has already been identified as being a photoshopped fake, it's pretty common sense that having Google+ natively built in into Windows Phone is highly unlikely. There are no official APIs yet that could be used. Not to mention the fact that Google+ would be the first Google Service ever to be natively supported by our OS.
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I guess wishful thinking for Skype that is could care less about G+

rruffman said:
I guess wishful thinking for Skype that is could care less about G+
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same here, don't care about google+.
It's gym of social networking. Everyone signed up for it and no one actually visits it anymore!
I would love the Skype integration in Tango though. However, that with full back up functions probably will be delivered in Apollo. Sounds more realistic. Worth the wait because we know MS can integrate it, and integrate it much better than we think!

WpCentral Does make a good point here "Edit: However, it's not clear if PocketPC.ch is claiming the screenshot is real or were just using it for illustrative purposes." it could be just an edited screenshot as maybe they do not have it on their phone per say but have seen or tried it...

There is at least some read-only Google+ API:
https://developers.google.com/+/api/
Furthermore there are Android and iOS Apps for Google+ so technically it should be possible if Google is not trying to stop MS from having Google+ integration.
Also Google is probably trying to get Google+ where ever they can.
Yeah the screenshot looks strange, but PocketPC.ch is a reputable source.

Google+ I don't care about. Google Talk though, that would be a huge bonus to get integrated into Messaging. If they managed to get Google Talk video and audio calls as well, that'd be awesome too, but unexpected. I'd think Skype will be the only native source for that.
I'm still going to take this news with a grain of salt though. Sounds like just wishful thinking to me.

The original source (pocketpc.ch) has leaked another image:
Old image
New image
In case these links do not work, just copy and paste these URLs into your browser (or visit pocketpc.ch):
http://www.pocketpc.ch/c/attachments/90521d1327761498-capture_02_10_33.png/
http://www.pocketpc.ch/attachments/...7-6-tango-skype-g-capture_02_10_33-kopie.png/
The author claims that he put the pocketpc.ch watermark behind the text and also explains how he did it (using multiple layers etc.).
Furthermore (like I said before), PocketPC.ch has quite a reputation to loose so I don't think they would present it the way they did if they were not really sure this is real. Otherwise something like this is clearly marked as a rumor, but this one was not.

slimshady322 said:
The original source (pocketpc.ch) has leaked another image:
Old image
New image
In case these links do not work, just copy and paste these URLs into your browser (or visit pocketpc.ch):
http://www.pocketpc.ch/c/attachments/90521d1327761498-capture_02_10_33.png/
http://www.pocketpc.ch/attachments/...7-6-tango-skype-g-capture_02_10_33-kopie.png/
The author claims that he put the pocketpc.ch watermark behind the text and also explains how he did it (using multiple layers etc.).
Furthermore (like I said before), PocketPC.ch has quite a reputation to loose so I don't think they would present it the way they did if they were not really sure this is real. Otherwise something like this is clearly marked as a rumor, but this one was not.
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I agree with you and really looking forward to it if this is real.

Mines better O_O LOL
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Google Talk
Don't you think Google Talk would make a lot more sense since Google+ is Google's social profile thingy, whereas Google Talk is Google's IM service lol just saying.
I still have doubts though, like I posted on WPCentral, Microsoft just announced a skype app soon, but if they were to integrate it in tango, the better. And implementation of Google services on windows phone is very unlikely, but then again, Google+ is becoming a flop (thats right people, failing), since most people did sign up for it but never actually uses it (take me and my group of friends for example-- actually scratch that, make that my whole facebook friends list). The news I heard that 90million uses Google services, well those are services apart from Plus. Again, very unlikely, apart from the fact that wp users dont have an official youtube app from either google or microsoft themselves (the one in marketplace from microsoft is just a link with a fancy icon).

</travis> said:
Don't you think Google Talk would make a lot more sense since Google+ is Google's social profile thingy, whereas Google Talk is Google's IM service lol just saying.
I still have doubts though, like I posted on WPCentral, Microsoft just announced a skype app soon, but if they were to integrate it in tango, the better. And implementation of Google services on windows phone is very unlikely, but then again, Google+ is becoming a flop (thats right people, failing), since most people did sign up for it but never actually uses it (take me and my group of friends for example-- actually scratch that, make that my whole facebook friends list). The news I heard that 90million uses Google services, well those are services apart from Plus. Again, very unlikely, apart from the fact that wp users dont have an official youtube app from either google or microsoft themselves (the one in marketplace from microsoft is just a link with a fancy icon).
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Well they only mentioned a Skype app in interviews, no real announcement.
Just a few days ago I read an article that said now that WP is somewhat mature and you can work with it, new features will be coming at a faster rate (e.g. LTE), so I think this Skype and Google+ integration might very well be true.
In the end we can only wait, maybe we will see something at MWC in February.

Windows Phone keeps on getting more interesting.
Just hope people are going to buy it more now, it's a great OS just the sales are not representative.

rruffman said:
Windows Phone Just gets better each day Take that Apple and Android!
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sorry???? Take that Apple and Android???
I don't know why WP7 users are so hyped about nothing!!
Listen, If I would be an Android or IOS user I would say, hahaha stupid WP7 users, you won't have Skype earlier untill tango,tae that! and we all know how much Microsoft takes to reléase an update.
how many years does Android users call gratis with skype??

Skype and Google, that's what MS considers an update? LOL, they need to focus on more features and functionality. Skype and Google are more of add ons than updates.

XxAndrexX said:
sorry???? Take that Apple and Android???
I don't know why WP7 users are so hyped about nothing!!
Listen, If I would be an Android or IOS user I would say, hahaha stupid WP7 users, you won't have Skype earlier untill tango,tae that! and we all know how much Microsoft takes to reléase an update.
how many years does Android users call gratis with skype??
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Android launched - 23rd September 2008 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
Skype App Announced Jan 2009 - http://about.skype.com/2009/01/skype_launches_on_android_plat.html/
Skype App released - 5th Oct 2010 - http://blogs.skype.com/en/2010/10/android.html
So After Android was released, it took 4 months to announce a Skype app and it took 21 months after that to get the app released. So in total 25 months just to get a Skype app on Android.
Windows phone released - October 2010
Skype app announced - April 2011
Skype app will be released - let's say April 2012?
So after Windows Phone was released, it took 6 months to announce a Skype app and it might take 12 months tops to get an app and probably by Oct 2012, Skype will be integrated right into the OS which makes it 18 months to release an app and 24 months to bake the whole utility inside the OS.
With 1 month to spare and Skype already integrated within the OS, I wonder if Windows Phone Users are hyping for nothing or Android fanboys are jealous of EVERYTHING?!
May I remind you the fact that we are talking about an OS that is not trying to copy and be cheap iPhone at all? - that's on top of that 1 month spare after integrating skype into the NEW Unique OS.
Please don't pee on your own legs again by posting silly things in Windows Phone development forums. This will save us all some happy moments. Have a lovely weekend.
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sinister1 said:
Skype and Google, that's what MS considers an update? LOL, they need to focus on more features and functionality. Skype and Google are more of add ons than updates.
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Anyone literate enough would know that these are add-on IN A update. A little reading and you would know what update might have on top of these ADD-ONs.

sinister1 said:
Skype and Google, that's what MS considers an update? LOL, they need to focus on more features and functionality. Skype and Google are more of add ons than updates.
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I can't undertand your reasoning ...
Who said Tango will be only Skype/Google+ integration ?
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XxAndrexX said:
sorry???? Take that Apple and Android???
I don't know why WP7 users are so hyped about nothing!!
Listen, If I would be an Android or IOS user I would say, hahaha stupid WP7 users, you won't have Skype earlier untill tango,tae that! and we all know how much Microsoft takes to reléase an update.
how many years does Android users call gratis with skype??
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I don't why Android/iPhone trolls are so scared of something they call 'nothing'.
This is pheraps one of the biggest misteries of the human history ....

Could be possible, Mango brought a lot in half a year (and fixed a lot of essential issues like PN). They have had pretty much the same amount of time for Tango. Also there has not been much word on the update, everybody is very quite, so it could be a good thing... hopefully they will try to surprise everybody.
At least I hope Tango will still open up some more missing API's and improve the multitasking. And hopefully they will expand all bing features to all localisations, e.g. I can finally use that barcode scanning program, but still no bing music (if not set to En-US) this is obviously ridiculous.
Although Skype integration will be amazing, I hope they will execute it better than the Facebook chat, which drains the battery like crazy and does not allow offline messages and does not allow you to log of on messenger and use facebook as standalone, hence useless in this implementation for most people I know who use WP7.
But other then that I'm very positive... can't wait for the update

Marvin_S said:
Although Skype integration will be amazing, I hope they will execute it better than the Facebook chat, which drains the battery like crazy and does not allow offline messages and does not allow you to log of on messenger and use facebook as standalone, hence useless in this implementation for most people I know who use WP7.
But other then that I'm very positive... can't wait for the update
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how does Facebook chat drain the battery like crazy? I haven't noticed any rapid battery usage whenever I have it on which is all the time. I set it to away when I'm not using it and still no rapid battery drainage. As for the messenger problem this is why one should create a new live account and add that first when setting up WP.

prohibido_por_la_ley said:
how does Facebook chat drain the battery like crazy? I haven't noticed any rapid battery usage whenever I have it on which is all the time. I set it to away when I'm not using it and still no rapid battery drainage. As for the messenger problem this is why one should create a new live account and add that first when setting up WP.
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It does, try it yourself without the fb chat on/away/whatever vs offline. The battery drains noticebly faster for me with the integrated messenger activated.
As for your second suggestion, no offence, but what you are saying is not a proper solution. A feature should not be half implemented so the average consumer does not even use it. If you want to lure users with cool features, than implement them properly so everybody can use them and tell their friends. You can toggle off facebook but you can't vice versa (yes I know the technical side of the story, but that is no excuse) which is just odd and not understandable for the average consumer.

Marvin_S said:
Could be possible, Mango brought a lot in half a year (and fixed a lot of essential issues like PN). They have had pretty much the same amount of time for Tango.
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Don't know when was Tango tree created, but Mango tree started in October 2010, before WP7 was launched even.

Why are we being tracked on Here ???

Were any of you aware your being tracked on here
If you install
http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_...ack-plus-add-on-stops-the-tracking-paparazzi/
It then shows that
Four Companies are tracking what we do
AdNexus
Google Analytics (Ummmm strange name a bit Anal) if you ask me
Netshelter
Google adsence
These are Via Google Chrome
On IE there are 13 one being the Doubleclick
Nextaction
and quancast
So use Chrome seems safer on here the IE i have not tested Firefox
Guys come on what's going on
Why is this going on ?? and on here as well

Browsers/companies have been tracking your browsing habits for ages now. This isn't something new at all.

I have noticed it varies on sites but this is bad
Android centrol has just one but this has 13 in IE
i no they have been tracking and this prog stops them
But still not impressed at information being taken with out me knowing

And then we also have those vigilink redirects that pollute the outgoing links here on xda. They even use a script to hide the vigilink URL from your browser status bar. That script borders on malware.

Google An is to track how much people are on.
Google Ad is the ads on this site
AdNextus is also ads
And the other one you have you find out by your self.

These are all cookie-tags that enable behaviorly-targeted advertising. You can (and are) cookied on almost every website page you visit. This is a lucrative way for publishers to put ads in the face of relevant or in-market consumers that sell for a CPC/CPM much higher than generic RO display advertising... therefore higher dollar spends for companies who want to put their message/product out there.
Ever notice how you see a lot of the same ads on various sites? It's not coincidence.
I've been in the digital advertising industry for almost 10yrs, 95% of those companies mentioned above are all advertisers in one form or another.

You wanna talk about tracking? I heard your ISP *has to* save everything you do online for 2 years! Its an FBI law of some sorts..

Are there ad banners on this site? I've never seen one over here.

I guess its just to make surfing the internet faster due to to the fact it has stored our location, cookies etc.

There's an easy fix for tracking cookies, you can set your browser to ask if you want to allow a cookie when they try to set them and just deny the ones you don't need or want. Most of the time ads will try to set them by themselves.
Https everywhere is also a good plug in you should check out.
Sent from my PG86100 using xda premium

People flip out too much about privacy. There is *too much paranoia.*
Adsense and Analytics is so that your search results and advertisements more closely match your interests and general search topics. Yeah, they're tracking what you do. What of it? What are they using it for, but to help you?
All advertising services track you. We live in a world where you are not guaranteed privacy by being on the internet. If you think you have a fleck of security, you're wrong. You're being tracked by everyone and everything; every website you visit logs your IP, from which they can often find your home address... are you scared?
Oh, wait, no harm has come of it. That's right. No need to worry, everyone.
EDIT:
Just like to add, I actually appreciate not having to end all my google searches with 'for droid x' anymore. It's learned that my account tends to look for droid x information.

NType3 said:
People flip out too much about privacy. There is *too much paranoia.*
Adsense and Analytics is so that your search results and advertisements more closely match your interests and general search topics. Yeah, they're tracking what you do. What of it? What are they using it for, but to help you?
All advertising services track you. We live in a world where you are not guaranteed privacy by being on the internet. If you think you have a fleck of security, you're wrong. You're being tracked by everyone and everything; every website you visit logs your IP, from which they can often find your home address... are you scared?
Oh, wait, no harm has come of it. That's right. No need to worry, everyone.
EDIT:
Just like to add, I actually appreciate not having to end all my google searches with 'for droid x' anymore. It's learned that my account tends to look for droid x information.
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Right, you post pics of your Vegas weekend on facebook, have your resume all over LinkedIn, have YouTube videos of your kids but get worried about silly ad cookies on public forums. It's the internet... the minute you plug it in you can be seen. Don't be paranoid and charge hard!

[Petition][Poll] We want Https on XDA!

[Petition][Poll] We want Https on XDA!
Three days ago I had a conversation with @benkxda. During that conversation, he pointed out that XDA uses no https encryption. Therefore everybody can read our passwords and PMs when we send them to the server. What if someone replaced our downloadable files with viruses?
Is that really what we want? Neither @benkxda nor I think so. Hence we decided to create this thread.
Now you might ask what you can do to get https on our forum. The first and easiest option is probably the most effective. Vote in the poll at the top of the page.
If you've got some spare time, you can also write a short (or long) post explaining your opinion.
If we get enough votes for this petition, the admins might consider supporting the https protocol.
To ensure that everybody sees this, we want to get this on the portal. Please help us by either clicking this link or by clicking the "Tip us?" button in the right upper corner of this post.
It would also help to spread the word if you put a link to this thread into your signature.
Thanks for reading.

Announcements
4th March 2014: 1000 supporters.
2nd January 2014: bitpushr implemented https for the login form! Thanks to all supporters.
23rd December 2013: And again, doubled. 800 votes now.
1st November 2013: Another announcement by bitpushr: They "have gotten [their] CDN provider to add SSL." Moreover, he will "add this to the forums".
28th September 2013: Doubled, again. 400 now.
31st August 2013: We just hit the 200 voters mark. Thanks.
13th August 2013: We reached 100 supporters. Keep voting.
7th August 2013: bitpushr announced that the admin team is working on https. I want to say thank you to all who have voted yet. But remember, we don't have https yet. So continue to vote.
29th July 2013: This petition was created.
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Code for the signature
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[SIZE="5"[B][/B]][[B][/B]URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2383868"][[B][/B]COLOR="Blue"]Vote for a secure XDA: [/[B][/B]COLOR][Petition][Poll] We want Https on XDA![/UR[B][/B]L][/SI[B][/B]ZE]

Well, XDA folks, you have to take the poll serious. In days where secret services all over the world spy almost everything, the poll has two options, a secret service version as well as a normal version :angel:
But to be honest, we are not safe from those spies. Encryption can help much - not only against those spy experts, but also against the administrators in a network, for eg in the company.
Currently, we have no secured connection like SSL/TLS secured HTTPS. Login data can be stolen, every communication is held open. We need a secure connection for the whole XDA website, including linked in scripts and images and not limited to the login sequence. This is state of the art even at Google or Facebook.

benkxda said:
Well, XDA folks, you have to take the poll serious. In days where secret services all over the world spy almost everything, the poll has two options, a secret service version as well as a normal version :angel:
But to be honest, we are not safe from those spies. Encryption can help much - not only against those spy experts, but also against the administrators in a network, for eg in the company.
Currently, we have no secured connection like SSL/TLS secured HTTPS. Login data can be stolen, every communication is held open. We need a secure connection, which is state of the art at Google or Facebook.
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All sites these days should be https. Also I want to add that it is important that https is not only added to the login itself but the entire site. To cut cost, lots of sites use http to https redirect for login only and then swtich the user back to http. Problems with that are tools for cookie hijacking, session hijacking, and tools like sslstrip. The vote should be for SITE WIDE https.
Let's face facts people. On XDA, we download things and flash to our phones, tablets or other devices. If our account is hijacked )which is so easy its not funny) then someone else can replace our material with ones that have back doors/trojans and update the posted MD5. No one would know. security is a concern for me at least.

calisro said:
All sites these days should be https. Also I want to add that it is important that https is not only added to the login itself but the entire site. To cut cost, lots of sites use http to https redirect for login only and then swtich the user back to http. Problems with that are tools for cookie hijacking, session hijacking, and tools like sslstrip. The vote should be for SITE WIDE https.
Let's face facts people. On XDA, we download things and flash to our phones, tablets or other devices. If our account is hijacked )which is so easy its not funny) then someone else can replace our material with ones that have back doors/trojans and update the posted MD5. No one would know. security is a concern for me at least.
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True, only full secured websites are really secured. Thanks for this hint, will edit my prior post.

calisro said:
All sites these days should be https. Also I want to add that it is important that https is not only added to the login itself but the entire site. To cut cost, lots of sites use http to https redirect for login only and then swtich the user back to http. Problems with that are tools for cookie hijacking, session hijacking, and tools like sslstrip. The vote should be for SITE WIDE https.
Let's face facts people. On XDA, we download things and flash to our phones, tablets or other devices. If our account is hijacked )which is so easy its not funny) then someone else can replace our material with ones that have back doors/trojans and update the posted MD5. No one would know. security is a concern for me at least.
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Of course, it should be added to the entire site. However, I didn't even think about the downloading thing. That's definetly true and I'll add that.
Feel free to spread the word.
Thank you very much. :good:
benkxda said:
True, only full secured websites are really secured. Thanks for this hint, will edit my prior post.
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Posted at the same time. :laugh:

benkxda said:
True, only full secured websites are really secured. Thanks for this hint, will edit my prior post.
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Not fully correct.
NSA is getting also access to https secured connections.
http://www.dailytech.com/FBI+NSA+Wa...Keys+from+Internet+Companies/article32046.htm

Mardon said:
Not fully correct.
NSA is getting also access to https secured connections.
http://www.dailytech.com/FBI+NSA+Wa...Keys+from+Internet+Companies/article32046.htm
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That's right, but our main concern should be the (bad) hackers. It is difficult to stop the NSA, you know.

Mardon said:
Not fully correct.
NSA is getting also access to https secured connections.
http://www.dailytech.com/FBI+NSA+Wa...Keys+from+Internet+Companies/article32046.htm
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This must be verified first, but frankly I really believe, they try to get those master keys. But they would need a master key to get access. At least, an encryption keeps out most assailants.

nikwen said:
That's right, but our main concern should be the (bad) hackers. It is difficult to stop the NSA, you know.
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Right https is much better i agree
If NSA or FBI or who else gets the masterkeys there also exist a chance for others (hackers) to get the keys too.
I think the whole internet needs a new full encrypted security protocol in future where the keys are randomly changed and such things like masterkeys only working a few hours to minimize the hacking risks.
But thats offtopic i think

Mardon said:
Right https is much better i agree
If NSA or FBI or who else gets the masterkeys there also exist a chance for others (hackers) to get the keys too.
I think the whole internet needs a new full encrypted security protocol in future where the keys are randomly changed and such things like masterkeys only working a few hours to minimize the hacking risks.
But thats offtopic i think
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Oh yes, indeed I recently thought almost the same. And maybe we are a bit special picky, hope the "normal" users can keep up that indignation or sometimes outrage on these spy stuff. Also true, off topic.

Mardon said:
Right https is much better i agree
If NSA or FBI or who else gets the masterkeys there also exist a chance for others (hackers) to get the keys too.
I think the whole internet needs a new full encrypted security protocol in future where the keys are randomly changed and such things like masterkeys only working a few hours to minimize the hacking risks.
But thats offtopic i think
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you realize there aren't one set of master keys for all certificates right? lol. Each certificate has a master key owned by the company owning the cert. If facebook gives them their master keys that doesn't mean they can snoop your xda or bank account traffic.
ok back on topic! I digress!

Mardon said:
Not fully correct.
NSA is getting also access to https secured connections.
http://www.dailytech.com/FBI+NSA+Wa...Keys+from+Internet+Companies/article32046.htm
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Just saying, but on HTTPS stuff that we use, we use forward-secret HTTPS. Meaning the "private key" for the site is of no use for decrypting past connections. That's becoming more popular for larger sites these days, but I started looking into it a while ago, and it is ready to use now. Look for a key exchange method of DHE or ECDHE
As such, the only value in obtaining such keys would be to spoof future connections. If someone is that determined to target YOU individually with spoofed or MITM'd connections, you should be worrying about other things (it would be fairly impractical to mount a widescale meaningful attack).
If you are concerned, you should look into the issues with the CA system who issue SSL keys - an SSL certificate can be signed by ANY of them, and there's a number of CAs who are somewhat sketchy in trust... Tl;dr if an active attacker wants a key for your site to spoof it, he can get it. It won't be the same one (cannot decrypt legit traffic), but can be used to impersonate the site.

pulser_g2 said:
Just saying, but on HTTPS stuff that we use, we use forward-secret HTTPS. Meaning the "private key" for the site is of no use for decrypting past connections. That's becoming more popular for larger sites these days, but I started looking into it a while ago, and it is ready to use now. Look for a key exchange method of DHE or ECDHE
As such, the only value in obtaining such keys would be to spoof future connections. If someone is that determined to target YOU individually with spoofed or MITM'd connections, you should be worrying about other things (it would be fairly impractical to mount a widescale meaningful attack).
If you are concerned, you should look into the issues with the CA system who issue SSL keys - an SSL certificate can be signed by ANY of them, and there's a number of CAs who are somewhat sketchy in trust... Tl;dr if an active attacker wants a key for your site to spoof it, he can get it. It won't be the same one (cannot decrypt legit traffic), but can be used to impersonate the site.
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Thanks for the info. I didn't know that.

Not a techie nor from a part of the world affected by PRISM (?) but still having read all this I'm inclined to say i second this motion

nikufellow said:
Not a techie nor from a part of the world affected by PRISM (?) but still having read all this I'm inclined to say i second this motion
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Great.
Are you sure that you are not affected? Everyone is, some more, some less.
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We've reached over 50 votes.

nikwen said:
We've reached over 50 votes.
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Nice. So, some people know about HTTPS and encryption and prefer that. Not only because of the secret services of the "Five Eyes", but also to protect me from curious network administrators. There are surely more on XDA, who want to support this necessary petition.
EDIT: Oh, please don't misunderstand, I did not want to protect the secret services from other countries, as they might be not better in privacy protection, for eg the German secret service called "BND" seems to be the sixth eye. Again, I did not want to say only those five do bad things.

As lots of users don't know / care about encryption, a secured https connection with XDA might sensibilize at least some.
So, I support your request.

rog_star said:
As lots of users don't know / care about encryption, a secured https connection with XDA might sensibilize at least some.
So, I support your request.
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Yeah, I hope so.
Thanks for voting.